I say the former, but i'm a Warp-head...
― dog latin, Monday, 23 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― james e l, Monday, 23 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers, Monday, 23 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kevin Enas, Monday, 23 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
search: LP5
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
as for "inventive," well, the IDM list be damned, they pretty much defined how IDM has sounded for the past 4 years or so by dint of every semi-talented derivative jacking their style (phoenicia, entire schematics roster, everything i've heard on musik aus strom, especially the horribly derivative but not even close to the mark flagship duo funkstorung, etc, etc). their fault or their misfortune, you be the judge.
― your null fame, Monday, 23 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― bnw, Monday, 23 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mark, Monday, 23 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave M., Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Omar, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dog latin, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― K-reg, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
but in the last 6 months i've begun to change my mind, and i'm beginning to really love some of what they do (most of LP5, a lot of Chiastic Slide, and Clichi Suite are beautiful records i think).
it seems strange that it too such a long time for me to really like them, but then i did that with piano magic, happy mondays and tom waits too, and i love 90% of all their stuff too.
got tri repetae recently, but having difficulty getting into that one so far.
saw them at Brixton Fridge the other week, and they were excellent. every track seems to start off so uninviting, but gradually becomes wonderful
so, i think i'd head towards classic really
― gareth, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kevin Enas, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― bnw, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kevin Enas, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Josh, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― K-reg, Thursday, 10 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Omar, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gareth, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Stevo, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Josh, Thursday, 14 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gareth, Friday, 15 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Omar, Friday, 15 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
So there you have it: we're the new folkies! :) Let's all grow beards.
― Stevo, Friday, 15 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Omar, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Just got sent this:
Autechre - 'EPS 1991-2002' WARPCD2115 X Deluxe CD - 47 Tracks - 5hr 39min 59sec47 track digital bundle available nowCD shipped & released 11th April 2011
Order CD with instant WAV/MP3 download at BleepDownload MP3/WAV at Bleep (includes videos)Download digital at iTunes
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(Made in The Designers Republic™)CAVITY JOB, BASSCADEP, ANTI EP(Disc 1)
Cavity JobAccelera 1 & 2Basscadet (Bcdtmx)Basscadet (Basscadoublemx)Basscadet (Tazmx)Basscadet (Basscadubmx)LostDjarumFlutter
Tracks 1 – 2 originally released as Cavity Job (p)1991 Autechre.Tracks 3 – 6 originally released as Basscad EP (p) 1994 Warp Records Limited.Tracks 7 – 9 originally released as Anti EP (p) 1994 Warp Records Limited.GARBAGE, ANVIL VAPRE(Disc 2)
GarbagemxPIOBmxBronchusevenmxVLetrmxSecond Bad VilbelSecond ScepeSecond ScoutSecond Peng
Tracks 1 – 4 originally released as Garbage (p)1995 Warp Records Limited.Tracks 5 – 8 originally released as Anvil Vapre (p) 1995 Warp Records Limited.PEEL SESSION, ENVANE(Disc 3)
Milk DXInhake 2DraneGoz QuarterLatent QuarterLaughing QuarterDraun Quarter
Tracks 1 – 3 originally released as Peel Session (p)1995 BBC.Tracks 4 – 7 originally released as Envane (p)1997 Warp Records Limited.CHICHLISUITE, EP7(Disc 4)
YeeslandPenchaCharaciKribTilapiaRpegCcecSquellerLeft BlankOutptDroppLiccflii
Tracks 1 – 5 originally released as Cichlisuite (p)1997 Warp Records Limited.Tracks 6 – 12 originally released on EP7 (p)1999 Warp Records Limited.EP7, PEEL SESSION 2, GANTZ GRAF(Disc 5)
Maphive6.1Zeiss ContarexNetlon SentinelPirGelkBlifilGaekwad19 HeadachesGantz GrafDial.Cap.IV
Tracks 1 – 4 originally released on EP7 (p)1999 Warp Records Limited.Tracks 5 – 8 originally released as Peel Session 2 (p)1999 BBC.Tracks 9 – 11 originally released as Gantz Graf (p)2002 Warp Records Limited.
― dentarthurdent (dog latin), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 14:13 (twelve years ago) link
ooh, they've split the EP7s across two discs. Bad show.
― dentarthurdent (dog latin), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 14:14 (twelve years ago) link
(closes eyes, mutters 'i do not need or want expensive box-sets, i do not need or want expensive box sets...')
― ledge, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 14:33 (twelve years ago) link
('I have all these tracks already, i have all these tracks already')
― dentarthurdent (dog latin), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
Seems a little odd not to include the Seefeel or Beaumont Hannant mixes of Basscadet, but maybe that can be justified. Putting "Anvil Vapre" before "Garbage" seems like flat-out bad sequencing.
― with hidden noise, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 14:47 (twelve years ago) link
?
Tracks 1 – 4 originally released as Garbage (p)1995 Warp Records Limited.Tracks 5 – 8 originally released as Anvil Vapre (p) 1995 Warp Records Limited.
― ledge, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 14:48 (twelve years ago) link
ah, my mistake!
― with hidden noise, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
This is disappointing. At least include all vinyl-only tracks, not only Cavity Job.
I don't feel this is worth the double-dip.
― Sebastian (Royal Mermaid Mover), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
Sorry boothbrown, I already have all the original releases.
― StanM, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
only own the Anti EP but not sure what I would do with this package - EP collections on several CDs just seem so impractical
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 08:49 (twelve years ago) link
This is disappointing. At least include all vinyl-only tracks, not only Cavity Job.I don't feel this is worth the double-dip.
OTM.
Better to have the original Anti and break the seal on it to show what bollicks the Criminal Justice Thingy is.
― Asparagus Peee (Leee), Friday, 18 February 2011 02:40 (twelve years ago) link
http://thequietus.com/articles/10978-autechre-new-album-details-exai
― besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Thursday, 13 December 2012 17:00 (ten years ago) link
I couldn't decide which C or D thread to pick so I made a new one
Autechre Exai
― ledge, Thursday, 13 December 2012 17:00 (ten years ago) link
http://youtu.be/lC7LGzCZ-q0
classic
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 14 October 2013 17:51 (nine years ago) link
track at 18:00 is pretty sick
― eris bueller (lukas), Monday, 14 October 2013 18:35 (nine years ago) link
that whole video is rad, oh man that brings back memories, esp. the whistles and the whole dudes-with-long-fringe-swept-back-w-headbands thing, damn haven't seen that look in a minute
― the tune was space, Monday, 14 October 2013 20:11 (nine years ago) link
http://ge.tt/9ZkPRWw/v/0
more ore
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 07:14 (nine years ago) link
http://p.autechre.ws/proxy?lnk=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.discogs.com%2Fartist%2F41-Autechre
― djh, Thursday, 5 March 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link
possibly discussed elsewhere, but Autechre put out a 5.5hr mix of 1992-ish stuff that contextualises the newly-reissued Artificial Intelligence compilation. It's akin to that marathon electro mix they did a while back and is great:https://autechre.mixlr.com/recordings/1977679
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Monday, 9 January 2023 15:41 (two months ago) link
it was mentioned on a thread called "autechre - classic or dud"
:-)
what we didn't mention was the tracklist, which is this work in progress (not my work)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Fy1mZkeMTI1CvLWmPy7NOAwFkFu-a6FHrx2EMgt4_3w/edit#gid=0
― StanM, Monday, 9 January 2023 18:07 (two months ago) link
ah the perils of two C or D threads! thanks for the tracklisting sheet...
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 09:24 (two months ago) link
nice, hope they keep going. I'll get these but Untilted/Quaristice/Oversteps/Exai are the ones I really want
https://www.treblezine.com/autechre-announces-vinyl-reissues-of-confield-draft-7-30/
― frogbs, Friday, 27 January 2023 15:42 (two months ago) link
Will definitely be picking up the Confield reissue. I want both, but I'm trying to buy fewer records this year. It's not going well so far.
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 27 January 2023 16:22 (two months ago) link
Very happy about this. Wish I could get my hands on the rest of the EPs on wax though. Would love Envane, Cichlisuite and EP 7.1 (I have 7.2).
― octobeard, Friday, 27 January 2023 20:54 (two months ago) link
They seem to have forgotten the CD editions.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 27 January 2023 21:19 (two months ago) link
The idea of listening to Autechre on vinyl is completely baffling to me. "You know what this ultra-pristine collection of 100% digital crunches and pings needs? Some hiss and crackle! You know, to add 'warmth'! Oh, and less bass!"
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 27 January 2023 22:52 (two months ago) link
What is life without Plumtree's potted meat? incomplete
― death generator (lukas), Friday, 27 January 2023 22:54 (two months ago) link
unperson I assume you know they put this sticker on the Tri Rep CD:https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7TCF8SlZcMQ/W-LlsMHTAAI/AAAAAAAABlg/ATiFT3Ry4PAHM1889JNer2WR9_D4ggJqACLcBGAs/s640/autechre1.jpg
― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 28 January 2023 00:11 (two months ago) link
tri rep is the only one I felt like I should own on vinyl. Got it as birthday gift to myself last year. For all the rest I'm fine with CDs or digital.
― silverfish, Saturday, 28 January 2023 02:37 (two months ago) link
LP5 has so much bass it causes the needle to jump around if your turntable’s cheap
― frogbs, Saturday, 28 January 2023 08:12 (two months ago) link
I have to remember that I’m no longer part of whatever “the demo” is now, and what the demo wants is vinyl reissues.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 28 January 2023 14:38 (two months ago) link
To hell with "listen to this on vinyl" pointers on CDs
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 28 January 2023 15:35 (two months ago) link
CDs will come back, bring on retro-futurism
― not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Saturday, 28 January 2023 16:19 (two months ago) link
FFS Autechre. I can't afford this to happen to me this year
― the forces of darkness making making us laugh ourselves into DEATH?? (dog latin), Sunday, 29 January 2023 00:18 (two months ago) link
Man, Ae change attitudes towards formats a fair bit. I love these albums. I want them on a plastic slab
― the forces of darkness making making us laugh ourselves into DEATH?? (dog latin), Sunday, 29 January 2023 00:22 (two months ago) link
LP5 has so much bass it causes the needle to jump around if your turntable’s cheaplp5 is also so crisp and clear that it feels like it should be listened to on CD
― silverfish, Sunday, 29 January 2023 18:18 (two months ago) link
xp but would you like the plastic to be vinyl or polycarbonate?
― assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 29 January 2023 18:37 (two months ago) link
I tried listening to Gonkcast, and it's decent enough (I certainly can't imagine trying to talk about Autechre out loud for this long), but I kinda feel like they're not nerdy *enough* about music and production for the task? Like, I want to listen to someone who really has hands-on experience with Max/MSP and can dig into what's going on in some of the tracks (like I think they were saying Cichli is in 4/4, I WOULD NEVER).
Anyway it's just making me want to go back and listen to the records, which is good. Confirmed once again that I don't get as much out of Tri Repetae as others seem to, and that Chiastic Slide is a big time classic for me.
Also listening to the recent NTS influences mix in chunks, so much good ahead-of-its-time stuff.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 19:36 (one month ago) link
"I want to listen to someone who really has hands-on experience with Max/MSP and can dig into what's going on in some of the tracks (like I think they were saying Cichli is in 4/4, I WOULD NEVER)."
If you are looking for detailed commentary on Autechre, I recommend the description of "Gantz Graf" at the 5:4 blog:
https://5against4.com/2022/08/05/20-years-on-autechre-gantz-graf/
― Melomane, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 20:00 (one month ago) link
Now that's what I'm talking about, thanks!
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 20:13 (one month ago) link
the "embarrassing" review linked in the NME is a lot more entertaining than that blog post, even though the cliches in it about intellectual european idm listeners were already 10 years old 20 years ago
that blog post is funny because it tries to pass itself off as a very technical explanation of the track, but when you really get down to it, the writer is just saying "this part is noisy" / "this part is less noisy" / "this part sounds more like beats", with a lot of around those ideas
― the late great, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 20:34 (one month ago) link
a lot of *padding around those ideas
yeah, honestly i just want to see a screenshot of their max/msp patch
― President of Destiny Encounters International (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 20:36 (one month ago) link
there's a useful and simple test i like to apply to bullshit music criticism like this, and it's to replace any of the meaningless details with a different meaningless detail and then ask myself whether the meaning would be altered in any way. if not, then bingo, i was right, it really IS meaningless detail
example: when author says "the way that the five pitches are used throws emphasis onto the intervals, strengthening their connectivity." imagine the author had said FOUR pitches, or THREE pitches, or SIX or NINETEEN. would it make any difference?
here's another: "Throughout this sequence, the underlying beats, though complex, don’t meaningfully change at all, working to support this melody. Though low in the mix, Autechre tease it out slightly by putting just a touch of reverb onto each note"
what if the author had said ECHO or COMPRESSION or PHASER or DISTORTION instead of "reverb"? would we care?
― the late great, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 20:40 (one month ago) link
haha, good points tlg.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 20:41 (one month ago) link
i mean okay, if autechre use reverb and not delay it would be silly to say "putting a small delay onto each note". but assuming they did use delay, would it now "undermine the melody" instead of "support" it?
or would that depend less on the production technique and more on whether the listener chooses to hear autechre as intellectual wank or high grade experimental art?
― the late great, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 20:42 (one month ago) link
i make this point with confidence only because i also "danced about architecture" in my youth as a detroit techno blogger.
eventually i realized it was better just to post yt links and that it's more fun to criticize dj's living rooms and haircuts than it is do music criticism
― the late great, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 20:46 (one month ago) link
You might not have got much out of the linked blog post, tlg, but it is certainly not bullshit or meaningless detail. It's also not an exercise in music criticism but analysis. When Mr. Cummings speaks about the way those five pitches are used, emphasizing those particular intervals, yes, writing “four” or “three” would completely change the point (because the resulting track would have been completely different in terms of tonal centre).
― Melomane, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 20:54 (one month ago) link
so would three or four vs five have weakened the connectivity between the intervals? strengthened it to a lesser degree? strengthened it to a greater degree?
― the late great, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 21:16 (one month ago) link
Close listening is cool. Reading other people's musical analysis can help. Yeah there were details I glossed over, but I enjoyed reading + listening along. Not every track would benefit from that, but this one is so dense that a map is useful.
― what have I done to deserve you (lukas), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 21:21 (one month ago) link
yes, i definitely can see how one might have missed the Development (1:39) and Transition (3:11) without a helpful explainer!
― the late great, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 21:23 (one month ago) link
Have you tried reading the blog post and connecting the words in it to the sounds you hear in the track? Just a thought.
― what have I done to deserve you (lukas), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 21:30 (one month ago) link
I get what you're saying but I think if you're compelled to listen to podcasts or read articles like this when the band already has 100 hours of material out then maybe those details really do matter to you. Personally it gave me a few things to think about, given the track itself is total chaos. Now when sites run reviews of their albums that sound like this then yeah I think it's a bit wanky. But I guess that's the point of "gonkcast"
― frogbs, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 21:41 (one month ago) link
Someone on twitter pointed out this sick unofficial video that someone made in '08:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsNbUlyERV0
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 21:43 (one month ago) link
― what have I done to deserve you (lukas)
the problem is not that this is impossible, or even challenging, but that 75% of the adjectives and technical terms in that article could be arbitrarily replaced with other words and it would be just as easy to connect the words to the music
the parts that make the most sense to me are the parts where he goes "oh wow this part is chaotic!" or "oh wow this part is building tension!" or "oh wow i hear a pattern coming out of the chaos!" but you can do that just as easily without pointing out that the pattern is A – C – A – Bb – Eb – C – Bb – Bb – Gb – C – Bb – A – C – Bb – Eb – C – Bb – Bb – Gb – C – Bb and in fact i wonder whether it even matters that it's A – C – A – Bb – Eb – C – Bb – Bb – Gb – C – Bb – A – C – Bb – Eb – C – Bb – Bb – Gb – C – Bb and not some other sequence of notes
― the late great, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 22:05 (one month ago) link
tlg, I'm led to wonder if you you any training in music. The reason it matters that it is that particular pattern of notes is, again, that pattern of notes (though the specific intervals between them) determines the overall harmony of the track. Which is a very different use of harmony from pop music, and different even from most of the Warp scene with which Autechre was first associated.
And this sort of analysis does capture why this era of Autechre’s work might appeal to those (like Mr. Cummings or myself) who were already fans of twentieth-century avant-garde composers like Boulez or Ferneyhough.
― Melomane, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 22:14 (one month ago) link
i did weekly classical piano theory lessons including annual exams for about 10 years (age 7-17), so yeah i’m familiar with all these terms
― the late great, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 22:44 (one month ago) link
on the other hand i don’t have formal training in rhetoric, though i can spot when someone is questioning my ability to understand the text while also dodging my specific questions about the text
― the late great, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 22:56 (one month ago) link
Like I said, there are details in that I don't care about, but it's so nice to read something that isn't just "it's like listening to robot bees!" on the one hand or "Autechre's music limns the lacunae of modernity" on the other.
― what have I done to deserve you (lukas), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 23:08 (one month ago) link
It would be interesting to see something like that in video form where the writer tries to recreate the track (or get as close to it as they can)
― saer, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 23:18 (one month ago) link
Hey now what's wrong with robot bees already
― the forces of darkness making making us laugh ourselves into DEATH?? (dog latin), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 01:42 (one month ago) link
the last music analysis / "deep dive" thing i actually enjoyed was this drukqs review. i think she does a good job of both formal analysis and gesturing at the affects of the music. it helps that the sound sources and track styles in druqks are so varied and electro-acoustic. someone doing this for autechre would probably have to share their screen a lot lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO_zMfLpjqI
― ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 01:56 (one month ago) link
that's a great video, one of the best i've seen of the "musician reacts!" genre, thanks!
about 13:30 in, she says something that sums up most of what i could say: "that Richard is thinking of things like scales and chords...I doubt it, I think a lot of us aren't, actually, this is just one way to name what i'm hearing, he's just doing what sounds good, or sounds weird, or whatever he likes, whatever he's trying to do"
i don't, personally, get anything at all out of music "analysis". i think it is very helpful for people who are making or thinking of music in formal ways. i don't. there's a comparison to be made to painting analysis. i didn't care at all, before i started painting. now that i do, it greatly interests me HOW painters made what they did. for god's sake, please tell me that they used a rag to smear some paint, or that they applied some glossy medium at the very beginning, or that they let the whole thing dry for a month and then scraped back down to what was underneath. i need to know that stuff and want to know it. but none of that was interesting or useful to me before i started trying to do it myself. at that time, i only cared about what i was seeing, not about the how. now i care about both the what and the how.
i understand that's not how everyone listens to music or approaches more analytic pieces. some people who have never touched an instrument have a deeply felt need to understand how it happened, mechanically. but i think, for a lot of people, the analysis is aimed at people in the field
― President of Destiny Encounters International (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 02:29 (one month ago) link
also, no joke about wanting to see the max/msp patch - i think doing the musical analysis of, oh, those notes are A – C – A – Bb – Eb – C – Bb – Bb – Gb – C – Bb – A – C – Bb – Eb – C – Bb – Bb – Gb – C – Bb is kind of completely missing the point with autechre. i really do think the art is in the patch
― President of Destiny Encounters International (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 02:37 (one month ago) link
*giant "IMO" and "we all enjoy music and enjoy reading about it in different ways, i get that" sign behind a plane flying over a beach*
― President of Destiny Encounters International (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 02:38 (one month ago) link
there are times where I feel like autechre has ruined all other music for me
― silverfish, Friday, 17 March 2023 17:45 (one week ago) link
it's certainly difficult to find other music with this much depth
― silverfish, Friday, 17 March 2023 17:47 (one week ago) link
you're in luck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgMArRJswIQ
― maelin, Friday, 17 March 2023 18:16 (one week ago) link