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Poll Results

OptionVotes
Control 9
Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814 9
The Velvet Rope 5
janet. 2
Dream Street 1
20 Y.O. 0
Damita Jo 0
All For You 0
Janet Jackson 0
Discipline 0


I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 03:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

This basically boils down to Control vs Rhythm Nation vs The Velvet Rope and the latter seems the height of her creative powers even if Control has the most jams per square inch.

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 03:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

Sorry. That sounded corny.

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 03:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

You forgot janet in your analysis, which really marks the beginning of Mach III Jackson.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 04:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but I don't think it quite congeals the way the others I mentioned do. Obv it is still part of her classic period.

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 04:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

20 B.O. congeals, alright.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 04:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

I avoided that one. (But I do rep for Discipline!)

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 04:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

Voted, somewhat to my surprise, for Control, which is harder, colder, and, yeah, warmer than she'd ever be again.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 04:15 (ten years ago) Permalink

(although love lots of subsequent Janet)

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 04:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

I think the sproingy cowboy noises in "Go Deep" justify my pick. My suspicion has long been that DJ Quik makes some uncredited contributions to that one like J Dilla did on "Got Til It's Gone".

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 04:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

Terribly tough choice. Up to a couple years ago, I'd have said Velvet Rope and moved on, but now I'm back in the Control/Rhythm Nation camp. So naturally I'm probably going to vote for janet.

Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 04:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

colder, and, yeah, warmer

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Jewish Lager (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 05:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Janet Jackson" LOL :)

Just joking. "Rhythm Nation" just ahead of "The Velvet Rope".

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 05:39 (ten years ago) Permalink

ooh i think i'm going for the velvet rope here...i might have to relisten to them again though, hurrah. i don't own the first two! should i?

lex pretend, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 10:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

eh, no one else does

Lots of praying with no breakfast! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 13:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

There were a couple OK 12" remixes that came from those first two albums, but definitely not essential.

Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 14:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

if it can make a fan (albeit a closeted one) out of a GnR/Beastie Boys-obsessed 10yo me, it's doing something right. Control.

now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 14:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 23 February 2009 00:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

Like Madonna's discography, this one is a testament to the ultimate pointlessness of The Album to pop. Not a single one of these sustains its pleasures from start to finish (usually a fault of the ballads). But at their best, they're exhausting affairs like Great Albums often are.

I've never quite felt Control probably because, as Soto states above, it's her warmest album. Warm doesn't work too well on the dancefloor (or from a Jackson) (hell, sometimes even on the radio).

For me, her peaks are Rhythm Nation and janet.. I voted for the former simply because I can listen to it the longest without skipping a song (whoever disfigured the run up through "Black Cat" with the zzz-plus "Livin' in a World (They Didn't Make)" needs to buy me a velvet-covered NEXT button). But the latter contains her two greatest songs, "If" and "Throb."

From there, her albums have gotten steadily worse with The Velvet Rope and All For You (best ballads) still great, a significant drop with Damita Jo, and a nosedive with 20 Y.O., her worst (it wouldn't surprise me to discover that those first two albums, which like most people here I haven't heard, are better). Discipline is a step in the right direction but sadly, not a zeitgeisty one. Is she gone?

Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 23 February 2009 14:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

"I've never quite felt Control probably because, as Soto states above, it's her warmest album. Warm doesn't work too well on the dancefloor (or from a Jackson) (hell, sometimes even on the radio)."

wrong. warmness = dancefloor = very good combination as thousands of funk, disco and soul records will tell you.

i think shes gone though, yeah. theres always a few keepers on her albums but from velvet rope onwards, theyve started to get smaller (and on the last few albums, mostly been the ballads as the club tracks have been mostly irredeemably awful). janet was good, but even there, you saw how things were going to go downhill (plus the I LOVE SEX angle has really run its course by now).

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 23 February 2009 14:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

rhythm nation is prob her last 'great' album, in the sense of there being lots and lots of high points but its started her off on the 'i must have tons of skits and at least 20 songs' approach to album making which wasnt a good move. shes making shorter albums now but i think its too late. prob doesnt help that jam and lewis arent what they used to be (or their helpers? arent what they used to be lol)

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 23 February 2009 14:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

wrong. warmness = dancefloor = very good combination as thousands of funk, disco and soul records will tell you.

Heh. You're informing the wrong person.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 February 2009 14:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

xpost - i meant warmness + dancefloor = v good combo.

but this is also wrong:

"Not a single one of these sustains its pleasures from start to finish (usually a fault of the ballads)."

janet has almost always had some really good ballads. eg - lets wait a while, funny how time flies, any time any place, etc.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 23 February 2009 14:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

Warmness + dancefloor CAN work. But I find hot/cold works best.

And I did say "usually a fault of the ballads" and "All For You (best ballads)," e.g. I love "China Love" and, esp., the radiator plitzes of "When We Oooo."

And from "'i must have tons of skits and at least 20 songs'" you seem to agree with me that ""Not a single one of these sustains its pleasures from start to finish."

Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 23 February 2009 16:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

i do. which is why control is >>>>>

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 23 February 2009 16:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yeah it IS pretty damn consistent. I'll give it that. Just prefer the harder edge of RN.

Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 23 February 2009 16:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 00:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

OF COURSE

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 00:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

I want to Dream Streeter to come forward and testify. Bimble?

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 00:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

Probably Surmounter.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 00:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

um

Surmounter, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 00:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

i didn't see this. i would have voted for Control. for the fuckin record.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 00:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

the problem with rhythmn nation is that while the point of it is to cram pack the rhythm, in comparison to how clean, polished and efficient Control is, it can come off tinny and overwrought at times

Surmounter, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 01:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Saw the video for "Rock With U" last night and the dancing blew my mind! Does anyone know who did the choreography? I googled but turned up nothing.

Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 30 May 2009 01:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

o ya the choreography is awesome, no idea whose work tho

sensitive thug hugging epidemic (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 May 2009 01:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

i think i prefer Mach III 90s Janet to anything else

lex pretend, Saturday, 30 May 2009 09:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

Control: The Remixes beats all those.

Ant, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

overhyped

Surmounter, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

These results are right, though I'd have probably bumped janet 3 votes to tie it in 3rd with Rope.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

In any case:

20 Y.O. 0
Damita Jo 0
All For You 0
Discipline 0

OTM

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

Well OTM only in the sense that none of those are her best album. But there are great moments on all of them save for 20 Y.O..

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

But there are great moments on all of them save for 20 Y.O..

― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, June 2, 2009 6:11 PM (18 minutes ago)

ARE WE SOME FUCKING LADIES OR WHAT? (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

Control: The Remixes beats all those

Seconded. I helped with a mix in which "The Pleasure Principle" remix appears prominently:

http://passionweiss.com/2009/06/02/summer-jamz-09-alfred-soto-tal-rosenberg-risottoberg/#more-3800

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

Does anyone rate Dream Street? Her debut is totally forgettable, but Dream Street is super unfairly overlooked. Not as great as the albums that immediately followed but it's a really solid and fun '80s pop album.

Your Ass Is Grass And I Will Mow It With My Face (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 27 April 2016 14:11 (three years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

xp LOL’ing at Old Lunch’s display name^^

growing up in publix (morrisp), Sunday, 23 September 2018 03:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

lol

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 23 September 2018 14:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Man, these results are perfect. The one-two punch of Control and Rhythm Nation might be one of the greatest back-to-back album pairings of all time (as I'm reminded every time I listen to them back-to-back).

Goody Rickels on the Dime (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 13:57 (two months ago) Permalink

Whereas janet. is more VG+ and would be so vastly improved with just a little editing. Like it could easily lose maybe a third of its verrrry loooong runtime. Y'know, trim this musical interlude down from 90 seconds to 30, repeat that chorus four times instead of eight or sixteen, stop consistently wearing out the welcome of otherwise solid songs. It's a less sublime package overall (a little too AC MOR at times) but still has very strong moments (there are days when I'm convinced 'If' is the best pop single of the '90s).

Goody Rickels on the Dime (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:54 (two months ago) Permalink

Does anyone rate Dream Street? Her debut is totally forgettable, but Dream Street is super unfairly overlooked. Not as great as the albums that immediately followed but it's a really solid and fun '80s pop album.

― Your Ass Is Grass And I Will Mow It With My Face (Old Lunch)

It's a very definite okay, but her debut has some good to excellent Rene & Angela tunes.

Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:56 (two months ago) Permalink

"What'll I Do" pretty clearly marks the line between an album that's maximal but still in control and an album that's gotten out of control.

zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:57 (two months ago) Permalink

Tho I like more of the songs that follow than not.

zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:57 (two months ago) Permalink

I looooove "This Time."

Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 17:09 (two months ago) Permalink

and I'd argue she's drunk with abandon

Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 17:09 (two months ago) Permalink

I like 'This Time' a lot. I'm just not sure I needed seven minutes of 'This Time'.

Goody Rickels on the Dime (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 17:25 (two months ago) Permalink


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