Taking Sides: Genesis 1970-1977 Vs. Genesis 1978-91

tbf Bill Danoff and Taffy Nivert had "Take Me Home, Country Roads" mostly finished before John Denver touched it

Patience of doing a thing Vs watching somebody doing a thing tbf

true that, but I also remember zoning out during my band's one and only writing session.

"you don't like this riff I just wrote? fuck you, I'll form my own band!"

Yah I just leave it on in the background while I work and clean it's sick

I love process stuff. Especially about music I dig. Thanks for that link!

strictly for nerds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOLSMIB1JCw

That is the coolest thing ever.

Oh, man, his videos all rule, I'm going to save his page for a rainy day.

this is amazing

I think that about 5:06 in that video one can hear something not unlike "The Brazilian."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOLSMIB1JCw

that is super cool, would be awesome if Phil/Mike/Tony could add some commentary too, I'm genuinely fascinated by this stuff

also lol that the dude doing this kinda looks like a mashup of all 3 of them

HE'S BACK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJKAVVi6Kfc

Apologies NickB, I never saw that you had posted that video prior to me!

thanks, fun to watch these then go listen to the albums

listening to Three Sides Live now, the prog medley on Side C is so great. among other things this band was really good at releasing live albums at the correct intervals.

Apologies NickB, I never saw that you had posted that video prior to me!

eh don't mention it!

love Three Sides Live, grew up listening to the US version. UK one makes a mockery of the title though, fourth side is live too! which version do people prefer?

yeah the UK version makes no sense. I like those 4th side tracks fine but it was weird that became the defacto version of the album at some point. I also liked how tidy Genesis were with live albums: it was more or less 3 studio records, then a live album. Putting those earlier live tracks on there mixed up the eras.

which version do people prefer?

I grew up with the UK version, and am pretty fond of those versions of Fountain Of Samalcis and It, tbh.

well "One for the Vine" I think is from the same tour but the other two weren't. I agree it's weird. But how do you argue with "Fountain/It/Watcher of the Skies"???

That One For The Vine kicks, too, though I also really love Paperlate - the perfect synthesis of solo Phil and that era of Genesis.

xp

Forgot to mention, some (but not all) of their albums’ original mixes are coming back into print via Analogue Productions. $$$ reissues, the most affordable would be the CD compatible hybrid SACD’s that still list for $35 each. At the moment it’s mostly the Gabriel era along with A Trick of the Tail and Abacab.

yeah that's good news for anyone who didn't get the Classic Records pressings (or at least pre-remix pressings). the downside is the vinyl is at 45rpm which means splitting Suppers Ready in two. I might spring for the SACDs though.

Yeah, same here. FWIW it’s part of a major project they’re doing in cooperation with Warner’s Atlantic Records catalog, and reportedly they’re aiming to reissue 75 albums at roughly two per month over the course of three years (starting this or next month) so the Genesis albums could end up being spaced out over a long period of time.

Found a complete list of relevant titles (subject to change, including potential additions):

Nursery Cryme
Foxtrot
Selling England By The Pound
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
A Trick Of The Tail
Abacab
Genesis

And from Phil Collins:
Face Value
Hello, I Must Be Going!

I gave in to my origin-is-the-goal Genesis nostalgia zombie and preordered all the hybrid SACDs. I've bought some of these albums six or seven times now — why stop there? (If I read the fine print correctly, Acoustic Sounds doesn't charge your card until discs ship.)

yeah the UK version makes no sense. I like those 4th side tracks fine but it was weird that became the defacto version of the album at some point. I also liked how tidy Genesis were with live albums: it was more or less 3 studio records, then a live album. Putting those earlier live tracks on there mixed up the eras.

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I totally get that. I want to hear the band amidst their then-current material, especially if they already placed some of the same live versions in previous releases (a la Rush with "Closer To The Heart" being placed on both Exit...Stage Left and A Show of Hands).

yeah the stuff from an earlier tour makes it a compilation and not representative of a show from the tour.

Salmacis with Phil on Three Sides Live is brilliant, because it's such a bizarre song for him to sing, although it was the version I heard first. Also, he hits a massive sour not near the start which I am pleased they left in

The studio cut of Afterglow was a bit of a disappointment after being familiar with the 3SL take, although these days I reckon the performance fom the VHS might be superior.

*note

The studio cut of Afterglow was a bit of a disappointment after being familiar with the 3SL take, although these days I reckon the performance fom the VHS might be superior.

Hard agree - also it really benefits from following that intense medley of old proggy stuff, this balming ballad to send the longhairs off into the night.

Looking at the tracklisting on wiki, interesting that FYFM comes from a show 18 months or so earlier than the rest of the main 3 sides - I wonder if they'd junked it from the set by the time they were touring Abacab?

Also, considering this was an album I played incessantly when I was 11 or so (became a Genesis mega fan for a couple of years circa Invisible Touch), it's nutty to me that I knew almost every word of Vine and Samalcis, etc, off by heart but never had a clue (and still don't) what they're actually about. Maybe that's for the best.

the problem with that FYFM is the audience trying to clap along and not quite working out what beat to do it on. happens a few times on the Genesis live recordings I've heard!

Also, he hits a massive sour not near the start which I am pleased they left in

something I really appreciate about Phil is that he attempts to do all the vocal parts, even the ones that run close together and weren't really intended to do live. he's game for everything.

yeah I think most of the Afterglow live versions outshine the studio version, though I wish there was a live take of the entire suite (Unquiet Slumbers/Quiet Earth/Afterglow)

My main gripe with FYFM is that Phil has 200k followers on twitter and seriously he's only followed like 5 of them back. Not cool to cheat people like that Phil

How is ABBA doing on the "knowing me, knowing you" front?

XXP - I'm pretty sure they were doing that on the '77 tour? I should check back though my boots

My main gripe with FYFM is that Phil has 200k followers on twitter and seriously he's only followed like 5 of them back. Not cool to cheat people like that Phil

he can't even hold a drumstick but you want him to click on a mouse?

Shouldn't make promises you can't keep, that's all i'm saying

It's always the same, it's just a shame

Follow me/I won't/Follow you

There are some great quality bootlegs of the Duke tour on the genesis movement site. Listening to Sheffield as I type this and it's a beaut. Personally I'll take an FM quality recording of a single show over the more curated approach of a live album every time.

yeah as bad as the band have been re: tending to their own legacy and official releases, they have allowed that site to stay up with their blessing for years.

"Follow You, Follow Me" was a key Genesis song for me, because as a child of the '80s (born in the mid-'70s, but became a radio listener in the '80s), all I heard were the usual Genesis radio singles, basically from "Duke" onward. But classic rock and adjacent radio would also play "Follow You," which sent me back to the '70s stuff. Iirc "Follow You" was the only Genesis stuff from the '70s I ever heard on the radio.

Knebworth '78 is my go-to, such a great gig, but I think it's been released now, or partially? I was just thinking how well-served Genesis were on the bootleg front as well as numerous radio recordings.

imo FYFM is gorgeous and kickstarts a brilliant run of UK singles that last's until Illegal Alien.

lasts* (tf)

My main gripe with FYFM is that Phil has 200k followers on twitter and seriously he's only followed like 5 of them back.

I DM'd him once, but there was... no reply at all.

Must be some misunderstanding.

He’s more of a lurker

, that's all.