Stephen Malkmus

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Sorry if this album's been mentioned already. Bought this recently and I must say it's excellent (in most places). It's like Pavement but not quite like them which is definitely a good thing and Malkmus's songwriting seems to have matured even further.

Opinions?

dog latin, Sunday, 22 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

heard this playing in smallfish the other day. was pretty surprised in that it actually seemed ok. but find it difficult to care about malkmus these days. his best days are long gone (wowee zowee was the last decent pavement record no?)

dog latin? didn't you used to frequent the old warp records message board, before they took it down?

gareth, Monday, 23 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Yes I did (a bit too often)... who were you on that? They've got a new one up now btw, although the people on there get pretty anal at times. I haven't heard Wowee Zowee properly so Crooked Rain is my fave, but I never saw what was so wrong with the last two Pavement albums even though they get slated quite a lot.

dog latin, Monday, 23 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I guess the lack of interest kinda sums up latter day Pavement and the Malkmus album - duller than dull. You'll be able to pick up the album in a bargain bin near you VERY soon.

Dr. C, Monday, 23 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

It's a good album. I liked it.

james e l, Monday, 23 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

dog latin. i was just me. ie. gareth. but i didn't post very often. new warp board is boring

gareth, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

gareth: yes it is a bit. I was a right pest on the old board and people on the new board still hate me for it even though i don't post that regularly nor do i plug my stuff any more... Someone started an "I hate Dog Latin" thread... what a nice thing to do. Needless to say, i was touched.

dog latin, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Haven't heard the album, but I saw him play to a tiny crowd last month when I was in the States. It was very like the last time I saw Pavement - for the first few songs, you think it's fantastic. What seems like two hours later, you're just thinking "piss off"...

Paul Steeples, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Slanted and Enchanted was too good at the time, personally I've been incapable of listening to anything they did since. Maybe it's was the drummer's influence.

K-reg, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

five years pass...
nobody but me cares, but the website's finally been relaunched.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i care

mizzzell (mizzzell), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 21:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Finally. I have been wanting to see a picture of his mustache.

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i semi-care.
as long as it's not Pig Lib Pt2 i'll take a listen.

edde (edde), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

edde, if you had your druthers, what kinda record would you like to see SM make next? (no sarcasm/snark intended, this is a serious question)

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

more like the 1st.
and a bit of the 3rd.
i didn't mind that one, so much.
so, i guess optimum SM would be a combo of 1+3.
i'm not so into his prog leanings, which Pig Lib seemed to ooze.
truth be told, i just listened to all of SM's stuff Vs. SS's.
and as much as people moan about PSoI, it's way more consistent
and (to me) interesting than SM's stuff. now, that first SM album
seems like a continuation of Terror Twilight but more light hearted.
and Church On White will always kill me!

edde (edde), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

has anyone waded through the boards to find the available recordings of new material?

mizzzell (mizzzell), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 23:36 (eleven years ago) Permalink

OMG MALK @ IRVING FRI! WITH JANET!

If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 23:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i saw them last month at bimbos w/ janet on skins... she is like 100 times sweeter than that last putz (obviously) but I think they need to ditch "the other guy" and just be a trio - steve and his two ladies. he doesn't really add anything (other than cowbell) and is a total dork.

at least two of the new songs they played sounded like the doors to me. i can't decide if that's a good thing.

tk (tk), Thursday, 8 February 2007 02:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I think the new stuff is gonna be harder-hitting, mostly cuz Janet's in the group. There's this fantasy floating around in my head where SM doesn't release anything in 2007 THEN BUSTS OUT IN 2008 WITH A 2XCD 24-SONG MONSTER

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 8 February 2007 12:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

'pig lib' is still sitting on my cd rack waiting to be downloaded onto i-tunes. i'm angry with it for sucking and it can bask in the unceremonious company of all the other hapless records that didn't make the cut.

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Let's turn this thread into a "SM + Jicks Covers Album Wishlist":

1. The Zombies "Time of the Season"
2. Yoko Ono "Walking on Thin Ice"

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

3. Status Quo "Down Down"
4. Ian Dury "Sex and Drugs and Rock'n'Roll"

mizzzell (mizzzell), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Pig Lib fucking owns. You're all mad.

Davey D (Dave Depper), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Pig Lib fucking owns. You're all mad."

no, sir. i am not. if i'm anything, it's disappointed that someone w/ so much potential. so little returns

edde (edde), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I've been meaning to go back and track down all of the insane b-sides he put out for Pig Lib. A bunch of covers of obscure British psych rock tunes and stuff.

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

idk where 2 put this but i liked this a lot in 2005 and it's still dear 2 me

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6424258467693494613

now stefan malkamus is walking around w/ my face

markers, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

This is a very good and interesting interview!
http://www.cowbellmagazine.com/home/2011/8/1/rule-portlandia.html

it's a meme i made and i like (Steve Shasta), Friday, 5 August 2011 18:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

Good interview but interjections like this remind me why I hate (music) journalism:

In the time of Ke$ha and Katy Perry, in the post-empire era of the music-industrial complex, when radio has become the horse-drawn carriage of the Information Age, songs no longer “mean a lot when songs are bought.”

What does this even mean?

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 August 2011 18:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm so jealous he's moving to Berlin.

o. nate, Friday, 5 August 2011 19:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

What does this even mean?

I think he's trying to say that it doesn't matter as much as it used to to get a song on the radio.

o. nate, Friday, 5 August 2011 19:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

haha

I don't want anybody to get hurt.
I can just see the two factions healing their schism
and coming after you with both barrels blazin.
These headbangers are angry and vindictive.
They've been looking for revenge since '92
and let's face it--
you weren't far from the scene of the crime.

new album sounds good! streaming on the npr today.

tylerw, Monday, 15 August 2011 22:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 15 August 2011 22:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the new album sounds really good. I've got the NPR thing streaming the thing in full so I'm not sure of the exact track name I'm on right now, but the guitar workout a couple tracks after "Senator" is awesome.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 02:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

this album is kinda crazy. all over the place. some of it sounds like demos to me. liking the alex chilton-y Tune Grief.

mizzell, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 14:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

no one is (as i are be) sounds like ode to billie joe.

mizzell, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 20:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

so excited to listen to this!

tine nic (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 02:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

"gorgeous georgie" is song titles v much in character

tine nic (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 02:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm only half-listening to this but this is real clean sounding - the short track lengths and the lightness of his vocals give it this real airy feel. it's all very agreeable, this sounds like the style i want malk to be going for at this stage in his career. i think i'm going to like this

tine nic (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 03:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

each song is a jam. another great album. malkmus solo > pavement

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 13:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

"fall away" is really nice

mark (er) s (k3vin k.), Thursday, 18 August 2011 04:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

"stick figures in love"

mark (er) s (k3vin k.), Friday, 19 August 2011 04:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah I was just listening to this earlier thinking Fall Away is my favourite song, it's really sweet. The whole album is really enjoyable.

Kitchen Person, Friday, 19 August 2011 04:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

one of these nights i'll have to listen to this when i haven't been drinking but i'm pretty sure i like this album a good amount

mark (er) s (k3vin k.), Friday, 19 August 2011 04:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

there was an ad for the this in spotify telling me to listen to it so i clicked on it and it wasn't available for me to play

markers, Friday, 19 August 2011 05:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

this album is already growing on me big time

mizzell, Friday, 19 August 2011 15:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

there was an ad for the this in spotify telling me to listen to it so i clicked on it and it wasn't available for me to play

Yeah, that happened to me too. The ad's popped up several times a day for the past couple of days, not sure who's to blame for that one, but its annoying to keep getting promised something I can't listen to. Luckily we have the NPR stream for now.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 19 August 2011 15:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

ok serious lols at that whole mail exchange

you never know what an unsophisticated consumer might think.

sonderangerbot, Friday, 19 August 2011 15:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah honestly, berman and malkmus need to make another record again.

tylerw, Friday, 19 August 2011 15:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think that was “Crooked Rain (x2)”?

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Saturday, 19 May 2018 02:02 (five months ago) Permalink

“The title Slanted and Enchanted is taken from the title of a cartoon made by Silver Jews frontman David Berman.”

From wiki. Not sure about Crooked Rain. Great title nonetheless. Enjoy them both immensely as lyricists, as different as they are. Always be a Berman man myself if I had to choose, though.

two cool rock chicks pounding la croix (circa1916), Saturday, 19 May 2018 02:07 (five months ago) Permalink

Oh wow. I didn’t think DB could improve in my estimation but yet.

calstars, Saturday, 19 May 2018 02:38 (five months ago) Permalink

DB:slanted and enchanted::SM:wowee zowee

calstars, Saturday, 19 May 2018 02:39 (five months ago) Permalink

well there is a Zappa song called Wowie Zowie

salt sugar fat, that's where it's at (rip van wanko), Saturday, 19 May 2018 03:01 (five months ago) Permalink

Hence also the ingeniously triple-entendre–titled odds ’n ends bootleg “Stuff Up the Cracks” (also a Zappa title) – which I think actually came out before “WZ,” so not sure how they anticipated the title?

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Saturday, 19 May 2018 03:19 (five months ago) Permalink

DB:slanted and enchanted::SM:wowee zowee

― calstars, Friday, May 18, 2018 7:39 PM (three hours ago)

another nope:

The album's title is an homage to former drummer Gary Young, who would frequently yell "Wowee zowee!" when excited.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 19 May 2018 06:00 (five months ago) Permalink

really into "solid silk"

k3vin k., Tuesday, 22 May 2018 04:06 (five months ago) Permalink

yes, this album is really good, one of his best. "bike lane" is Malk at his most political and angry

well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 07:11 (five months ago) Permalink

i'm at peace with my mentors

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 12:26 (five months ago) Permalink

This is really good. Highlights after the first few listens:

-the little instrumental breaks after the verses on "Bike Lane"
-Kim Gordon!

cwkiii, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:36 (five months ago) Permalink

not sure I'm ready for Woke Malkmus tbh

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 00:28 (five months ago) Permalink

I don't know what that even means tbh

cwkiii, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 00:59 (five months ago) Permalink

"Malk at his most political and angry" sounds exactly like "Malk not being political and angry at all" to me fwiw

cwkiii, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 01:02 (five months ago) Permalink

I mean he literally namechecks Freddie Gray which is kinda tough to imagine on...any other Malkmus record

Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 01:24 (five months ago) Permalink

Oh I know, I was just saying that it still sounds like Stephen Malkmus, and in no way did it even occur to me that someone would hear it and think "oh man, I am not prepared to process this stage of this man's career."

cwkiii, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 01:41 (five months ago) Permalink

he did write Senator on the last record though - which i took to be obviously political - i think he should do more of this stuff - to my ears it was his best song in an age because it seemed to be so pointed

clouds (peanutbuttereverysingleday), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 02:08 (five months ago) Permalink

But Senator was two records ago! #justiceforjagbags

cwkiii, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 02:09 (five months ago) Permalink

oh sorry i am sure you are right - yep - just making the point that he hasn't been entirely apolitical this whole time

clouds (peanutbuttereverysingleday), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 02:15 (five months ago) Permalink

(apologies for the unnecessarily pedantic post that really was just an excuse to post a hashtag that I thought was funny)

cwkiii, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 02:31 (five months ago) Permalink

He referenced Bob Packwood's sexual harassment scandals about 15 years ago in "Vanessa From Queens".

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:24 (five months ago) Permalink

Oh I know, I was just saying that it still sounds like Stephen Malkmus, and in no way did it even occur to me that someone would hear it and think "oh man, I am not prepared to process this stage of this man's career."

― cwkiii, Tuesday, May 22, 2018 9:41 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wasn't thinking "oh man, I am not prepared to process this stage of this man's career," was thinking "this artist who has built a career on sarcasm and above-it-all ironic detachment is now obliquely referencing social justice in a way that seems conspicuous and a tad insincere given that he has been basically shrugging at such things for decades"

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:18 (five months ago) Permalink

I guess if part of what someone enjoys the most about him is his sarcasm and above-it-all ironic detachment then if they pay attention to the lyrics of this one song they might be slightly let down? But it's a really good song! Especially if you dig him as a guitarist.

I get how that could bug you but it was kind of a bummer to think that it would dissuade you from checking out the record because, like I said before, it still sounds like a Malkmus song and it doesn't scan as like, preachy or whatever.

cwkiii, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 13:25 (five months ago) Permalink

it's like processing that joe strummer grew up relatively privileged

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 13:25 (five months ago) Permalink

fwiw, he did write that Pavement song “Grounded”

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:15 (five months ago) Permalink

conspicuous? yes.
a tad insincere? i don't hear/believe that.
a little disjointed / not fully formed as a concept / political statement? yes, i think that's a fair criticism.

alpine static, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:43 (five months ago) Permalink

Writing a (good) politically / socially conscious song must be particularly challenging for even a good songwriter

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:51 (five months ago) Permalink

Maybe "insincere" is harsh, I take that back. I mean, I'm quite sure the guy's heart is in the right place. I just don't listen to Malkmus wanting or expecting social commentary. Does anyone?

FWIW I repped hard for Jagbags (see upthread) and am definitely a fan, in case that wasn't clear.

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:52 (five months ago) Permalink

Maybe "insincere" is harsh, I take that back. I mean, I'm quite sure the guy's heart is in the right place. I just don't listen to Malkmus wanting or expecting social commentary. Does anyone?

I care quite a bit more about Malkmus' songwriting than your opinion of it, if that's what you're asking.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:15 (five months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKpi9cAmnfo

malk doing "solid silk" on the 12-string <3

k3vin k., Friday, 25 May 2018 04:03 (four months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

I had missed this interview, it's great: https://www.spin.com/featured/stephen-malkmus-and-tim-heidecker-in-conversation-fleetwood-mac-internet-trolls-and-hating-frank-zappa/

Heidecker: What’s your take on Frank Zappa?

Malkmus: I’m not a fan, to be honest.

Heidecker: I have never met a fan! I’ve never met a fan!

Malkmus: Yeah, I don’t think it’s good music. I know a lot of people compare me to him, especially in Brazil. For some reason, the Frank Zappa underground there thinks of me as Zappa-esque. It’s parody in the end, but you can’t put all your chips on parody unless it’s full parody. Weird Al is one thing, he’s awesome. But that’s a different thing.

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 17 September 2018 19:40 (one month ago) Permalink

Wow, that's a better (off-the-cuff) take on Zappa than I think I've ever been able to put together the many times I've tried to explain my distaste. Zappa fans have much in common with the neckbeard ime

rip van wanko, Monday, 17 September 2018 20:34 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah, reducing Zappa's entire body of work to "parody," what a hot take. so original

Malkmus schmalkmus

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 17 September 2018 20:58 (one month ago) Permalink

Could just reduce it to “garbage”

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 September 2018 21:00 (one month ago) Permalink

Could just reduce it to “garbage”

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 September 2018 21:00 (one month ago) Permalink

Yes, if only there were more music like "Jenny & The Ess Dog"

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 17 September 2018 21:09 (one month ago) Permalink

I hate that song fwiw, that was when i stopped listening to malk

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 September 2018 21:10 (one month ago) Permalink

gimme Jenny & the Ess Dog over every note Zappa ever played

alpine static, Monday, 17 September 2018 21:10 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't particularly love "Jenny" but I love that it's a clear statement that he's not invested in making "important" "challenging" music or pandering to snobs

rip van wanko, Monday, 17 September 2018 21:20 (one month ago) Permalink

Another great passage:

Heidecker: You gotta be happy for Mike Campbell a little bit, I guess. He wasn’t expecting Tom Petty to die.

Malkmus: He wants to play.

Heidecker: He was like, “Get me out there! I can earn!”

Malkmus: I met him just the other day. I played at this benefit for Jerry Garcia’s charity in Los Angeles. They had Benmont Tench and Mike Campbell. Campbell was backstage. He came in the room, and he was dressed like a rock star: scarves, that Rolling Stones scarve-y look.

Heidecker: Floppy hat.

Malkmus: A bit of West Coast grizzle. He walked by, and he looked a little like that one Grateful Dead album with the skull wearing the top hat and shiny glasses.

Heidecker: He’s struttin’.

Malkmus: He strutted by and he went, “Yeah, Pavement, man.” That’s all he said. Kind of in a lizard voice, “Pavement, man. Yeah.” Then he was out.

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 17 September 2018 21:41 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't particularly love "Jenny" but I love that it's a clear statement that he's not invested in making "important" "challenging" music or pandering to snobs

― rip van wanko, Monday, September 17, 2018 5:20 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The addition of the quotation marks around those words is the most "Malkmus fan" thing ever

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 01:02 (one month ago) Permalink

Anyway, long live important and challenging music, death to condescending half-assed 90s dweebdom

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 01:03 (one month ago) Permalink

dweezil?

rip van wanko, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 01:05 (one month ago) Permalink

lol

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Tuesday, 18 September 2018 01:23 (one month ago) Permalink

important and challenging, two things Zappa is not

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 01:55 (one month ago) Permalink

omg we got an important and challenging music guy in 2018!

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 01:59 (one month ago) Permalink

Jenny & The Ess-Dog is great, the first song on the s/t ("Black Book") is the one that nobody likes.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 18 September 2018 02:49 (one month ago) Permalink

frank zappa is okay

he's the type of guy the typical ilxor would strive to be though so you get a feeling he's really important when he really is not

stevie seems more chill and has a more dgaf attitude which is a very 90s thing, so idk, my heart gravitates to that vibe

F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 18 September 2018 04:45 (one month ago) Permalink

and has a more dgaf attitude

ACTUALLY it's dadgaf...

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 18 September 2018 04:54 (one month ago) Permalink

trü

F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 18 September 2018 04:59 (one month ago) Permalink


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