Rolling Art-Rock Thread 2009

Gettin' our pretensions on in the oh-niner. Haters and naysayers, keep away, this is where the genu-ine ludicrous shit goes down. Death to genre, yes to abrasive noises in wacky time-signatures, and a big double-deuce to the mainstream...the new rolling ILM thread that had to happen!

lol

TV ON THE RADIO
THX

Maybe should have waited until drunken US overspill subsided...

haha better luck next time! good luck on Rolling Art-Rock Thread 2009 for the future!

thank you. we shall prevail.

good luck uk

I hear that "better luck next time" like from parliament's "sir nose d'voidoffunk"

this is a multinational undertaking, rev, in fact i expect the majority of participant bands to originate from your shores

art-rock goes a long way back to art and rock. good luck velvet underground 2009!

on and drunken US overspill!

Maybe should have waited until drunken US overspill subsided...

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― REMOVE THEIR EARS (country matters), Thursday, January 1, 2009 3:05 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

would have been smart

whoops i meant OH i'm so drunk lol

Au contraire, this has been a jet-powered start to ILX's youngest rolling venture!

yeah, wtf, Louie? if you mean to discuss prog, then why don't you call it prog? art-rock, imo, is more like VU, Roxy, Eno, Can... shit like that. what you're looking for is more like a "rolling children of King Crimson thread" methinks.Geir to thread!

let lj use whatever terms he wants this is his thread

happy new years btw

but as I was trying to say there's no reason this has to be controversial

tru. it's just confusing is all.
xp

whoa, ilm's 10th, aint' it?

Geir to thread!

fuckin guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuy

I just started digging really deeply into Gabriel-era Genesis and Magma during the latter half of 2008, so if we're gonna talk about stuff like that in this thread, count me in.

Am down for Magma talk fwiw.

Fucks sake I'm NOT talking "just" about "prog", besides, I hate that term (screw genre, rememeber!). I mean anything and everything that pushes the envelope a bit. There's so much good stuff out there that ends up being discussed on ILX by very few people (i.e. just me), we need a gathering-point to call in the flock.

And, no harking back to "Can, Eno, VU". I wasn't thinking backwards when I started this thread. Enough with the restrictive definitions!

art-rock, imo, is more like VU, Roxy, Eno, Can... shit like that.

Nothing personal, dude, and all highly credible art-rock acts, but fuck this way of thinking.

hahah...no problem.

I mean anything and everything that pushes the envelope a bit.

aha...so you must mean, like, hip-hop/r&b, right? (j/k)

This is great, I really hope every 09 quasi-genre thread has an exciting quarrel over definitions like this one

I'll be engaging more closely with hip-hop/RnB this year, but that's another thread!

DJ Mencap completely OTM, lols

I'd also prefer this thread to be about contemporary releases, if that's OK.

an interesting overview

What is Progressive Rock ?
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp
SUB-GENRES

* Canterbury Scene
* Crossover Prog
* Eclectic Prog
* Experimental/Post Metal
* Heavy Prog
* Indo-Prog/Raga Rock
* Italian Symphonic Prog
* Jazz Rock/Fusion
* Krautrock
* Neo-Progressive
* Post Rock/Math rock
* Prog Folk
* Prog Related
* Progressive Electronic
* Progressive Metal
* Proto-Prog
* Psychedelic/Space Rock
* RIO/Avant-Prog
* Symphonic Prog
* Tech/Extreme Prog Metal
* Various Genres
* Zeuhl

So pumped for Various Genres this year

http://i42.tinypic.com/1q6gow.jpg

lol!

so louis are you talking like

http://syrfox.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/genghis_tron-board_up_the_house.jpg

or

http://www.valladolidwebmusical.org/imprescindibles/mars_volta_frances_the_mute.jpg

"or"

ffs

louis means similar artists that are on this list:

2009 Anticipation - A list by SoundscapeMN
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/SoundscapeMN/2009_anticipation

dude you might help your case with some actual specific examples of what you're talking about

another list

"New Prog" Umbrella
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/SoundscapeMN/new_prog_umbrella/
This list is under construction. But the 100 or so names right now on it is the jist of what comprises my personal feeling of these groups who are taking elements of so-called experimental, math-rock/metal, psychedelic, progressive, and/or art-rock and combining it with what is often described as alternative or indie-rock and in some cases Metal (the Metal groups are maybe even harder to figure out since there's hordes of so-called newer "progressive" or technical, jazz, black, and death metal bands. It probably needs it's own list all-together actually).

he's talking about bands that sound like volcano!

in that case I'm all in

Well I've started individual thread for many of them but examples from the past couple of years include Volcano!, Oceansize, Youthmovies, Shit And Shine, Virgin Passages, The Chap, Working For A Nuclear Free City, 65daysofstatic, Ulver, Kayo Dot, Silvery, a.P.A.t.T, even more electronic stuff like Murcof, Porn Sword Tobacco etc

Most of those are British or European, hoping for a big American push here :)

does anyone know Ulver's plans for 2009? - they last updated their website mid 2008

working for a nuclear free city--not art-rock

the new Cougar record will be out this year, on a decent-sized label it sounds like

I don't know. But they have their own thread, and they're not exactly "new", so for them to hijack this thread without having released anything would be wrong. xpost to Martian

I'm not interested in any definitions of "sounds like" or "new prog" or whatever, seriously. Although, stuff on those lists may well figure. Who knows.

New Cougar is worthy of note, two tracks from the album are on their website, and they're both ace. Will definitely be getting hold.

WFANFC are pretty arty imo but I dunno, make your own minds up. They have a thread but I'd definitely mention their developments here.

Rolling l0u1s jagg3r Bullshit Thread 2009

my first art-rock tip of 2009:

Apollo Heights
http://www.myspace.com/apolloheights

Influences: Arthur lee and love, Jimi Hendrix, Curtis Mayfield, Stylistics, The Equals, Muddywaters, The Wailers (with petertosh), The Cocteau Twins, Mercury Rev, Spaceman3, Spiritualized, Gunclub, Massive Attack, Portishead, Tricky, AR Kane...

new album due in the Spring

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s1956685.jpg

i wonder if lj would like mike ladd

or saul williams. i listened to those dudes a lot in lolcollege.

Dunno! May give 'em a listen, cheers.

Also, thanks DJ Martian, more recommendations as and when!

Here's to Cutty overcoming his blistering sense of ad hominem and keepin' it contributional in the '09

louis, listen to http://www.myspace.com/gaywitchabortion

album released a couple of days ago, on emusic. great.

The only thing I've heard in the last fortnight that would fit this bill is the new album by An Albatross, 'Family Album' which (it says here) actually came out in October, although maybe not in the UK. (It may be import-only.) I think you'd like this LJ - they started out as a techy-but-messy crypto-hardcore band a la The Locust but they're more like a more compact take on Magma or someone now

Thanks ya both, will check out as soon as I'm back home on Monday! :)

louis, listen to http://www.myspace.com/gaywitchabortion

album released a couple of days ago, on emusic. great.

― VISION QUEST TO KNOCK YOU UP (John Justen), Friday, January 2, 2009 5:58 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha john did you go to the release party at the double deuce?? i was too chicken but damn that was a funny idea for a show....that's like the worst strip club in the world (no disrespect to BJ's on 94 & broadway)

also louis...in the spirit of recommending local bands that only me and john have heard of...I think you would really love the Yoleus, they are super technical math type stuff but really nice melodies and songwriting IMO...monster musicians

http://www.myspace.com/theyoleus

...in the spirit of recommending local bands that only me and john have heard of...

This sort of behavior is strongly encouraged here.

louis, where does gang gang dance's "st. dymphma" score on your art-rock meter? or do too many people like that?

well i will continue.

this one really hurts...Voyager, played a lot for the last couple years in the twin cities, apparently recorded an album that -- based on these myspace songs -- is super fucking amazing, but promptly broke up without ever releasing the planned vinyl...anyway, the myspace page is still up and sound fucking great.

http://www.myspace.com/xxxvoyagerxxx

local math rock band: http://www.myspace.com/czarbles

czarbles sounds good!

how could i forget the mightly THUNDERBOLT PAGODA, who don't play out that often and are in the less mathy, more full on power psych acid mothers/amon duul II vein.....

http://www.myspace.com/thunderboltpagoda

heh no m@tt i didn't make the show, by the time i heard about it out of town friends of GF were booked to cook at our house and i didnt feel like explaining "enjoy your home cooked meal im off to the strip club to rock out bitches"

another TC entry : http://www.zebulonpike.com/

so basically this is slowly turning into my rolling "sort of metal that is not metal enough for the metal thread" thread

That was a given from the get-go.

^nothing wrong w/that IMO

xpost yeah i really didn't want to explain to wifey to be honest and i only went to that place once i had a sorta weird/skeevy run-in w/some weirdo regular

More mpls rock...Build My Gallows High who are def not metal but all instrumental and epic....Matt the drummer is a sweet dude who way back used to be in Janitor Joe with Kristen Pfaff who went on to be in Hole w/Courtney Love

http://www.myspace.com/buildmygallowshigh

never heard it cutty and honestly, popularity is no barrier to artistic worth, although obviously this thread has been designed to give exposure to artists that would otherwise go unheard. i may check it out and get back to you regarding how much i like it, but "art-rock meter" is obvious bad-vibe ad hominem

kiu guys :)

ad homnomnom

well it was the best "art-rock" album of 2008, so maybe you should listen to it and report back

that i will do.

lj is kind of like geir, it's fun to try to find something that i like that fits into their weird definitions of good music.

uh

I stand by this earlier pronouncement:

lol

― The Reverend, Thursday, January 1, 2009 2:58 AM Bookmark

l0u1s jagg3r, are you talking about stuff like Der TPK, Los Llamarada, Sea Donkeys, Pigeons etc??

wait auto googleproofs l0u1s jagg3r now?!?!?

ffs just talk about your fave rolling art-rock then people, if LJ comes down on you like a sack of pineapples for misunderstanding the term (a likely story) then then take the quarrel.

I have heard 0 x art-rock in 2009.

Just got my test pressing in the mail last week! Best album I've ever been a part of.

No genres. No boundaries. Beauty and terror. Billy Anderson produced at Smegma Studios.

22 minutes of music that was composed over a year and produced over another year. Guitar + Drummer are identical twins and for real telepathic.

Please listen to an excerpt. First track on http://www.myspace.com/thebettertoseeyouwith

I'll drop another note in here when the vinyl arrives. I think you can pre-order through Celestial Gang. We are about to finalize the cd version with one of my favorite labels too... but I can't talk about that yet.

haha john did you go to the release party at the double deuce??

how sad that i only hear about this by clicking on the ilxor.com rolling luey jagger thread!

wait auto googleproofs l0u1s jagg3r now?!?!?

― ian, Friday, 2 January 2009 23:49 (Yesterday) Bookmark

Consequence of a couple of ppl regularly google-bombing the guy, I'm afraid.

hey louis, what do you think of the tv on the radio album?

i'm terrified to post here suddenly but the new john frusciante album is art-rock to the core, tons of indie guest stars plus IT IS A CONCEPT ALBUM CALLED 'THE EMPYREAN'. it's okay but he doesn't have an original thought in his head.

that's no surprise really? frusciante been hanging with mars volta for many years now

not a surprise, but i'm waiting for lj to PUT DOWN THE HAMMER; frusciante has continued to put out his own albums all along but no one ever talks about them, or listens to them maybe. his guitar prowess is pretty well decided -- the first track here is an "homage" to (or ripoff of) "maggot brain" but has nothing on the original or any of the subsequent p.funk versions of same, or even the j.mascis version.

gr8080
Gettin' our pretensions on in the oh-niner. Haters and naysayers, keep away, this is where the genu-ine ludicrous shit goes down. Death to genre, yes to abrasive noises in wacky time-signatures, and a big double-deuce to the mainstream...
me
hmmm
louis?

no one ever talks about them, or listens to them maybe

i reviewed one of them for my high school paper back inna day and quite liked it! but it wasn't interesting enough for me to buy the subsequent 234982374978 records he put out.

Apollo Heights
http://www.myspace.com/apolloheights

Influences: Arthur lee and love, Jimi Hendrix, Curtis Mayfield, Stylistics, The Equals, Muddywaters, The Wailers (with petertosh), The Cocteau Twins, Mercury Rev, Spaceman3, Spiritualized, Gunclub, Massive Attack, Portishead, Tricky, AR Kane...

new album due in the Spring

― djmartian, Friday, January 2, 2009 6:24 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol ned is in thier top friends

I'm not gonna come down on ANYONE unless they DOUBT whether their contribution is valid. This is a thread for everything contemporary that anyone considers art-rock or at least original, innovative music.

aha...so you must mean, like, hip-hop/r&b, right? (j/k)

― Ioannis, Friday, January 2, 2009 5:55 AM Bookmark

fwiw, lj did big up my "sideways r&b" thread

that was/is a really good thread!! i haven't posted anything of substance to it coz it ain't my area of expertise, but nothing but utter approval from here

and Ian, I've never heard of those bands. Publicising them is what this thread is for!

if you approach frusciante with modesty there might be some good stuff to it, but what's so offputting is his fans have all of his 234255890 records and believe it's all divine work

we've posted about frusciante plenty of times

this thread sucks

it's super easy to understand what louis means and what kind of music he likes so why not just suggest shit he might like and other ppl might like instead of haggling over what's "art rock" and what's "prog" and blah blah blah

Strawberry Fields, Polish art-rock band with a female vocalist who sounds like Anneke van Giersbergen (The Gathering/ Agua De Annique) and Paatos and White Willow

Strawberry Fields
http://www.myspace.com/strawberryfieldspoland

press release

Strawberry Fields "is a rock band from Poland. Created in 2008 by Wojtek Szadkowski (Collage, Satellite, Peter Pan) fascinated by the voice of Robin (Marta Kniewska). Strawberry Fields’ music is a strange blend of the old and the new, of rock guitars and soft keyboards, loops and psychedelic soundscapes. But what is most important here is the magical voice of Robin, a beautiful female lead singer."... "It’s a perfect album for the lovers of such bands as Goldfrapp, Portishead or Massive Attack. Marta’s voice will also satisfy fans of Anneke van Giersbergen (The Gathering/ Agua De Annique).But you can find strong pop melodies and a bit of Enya, Pink Floyd too. "

Strawberry Fields - Rivers Gone Dry - is set to be released by Metal Mind Productions on 26th January in Europe / 10th March in USA.

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s2011195.jpg

https://moonrelay.bandcamp.com/album/imi

fantastic sort of motorik/no-wave/art-rocky type album from this Norwegian band here.