the juke/bmore/bloghouse frankenstein dance music they play at clubs

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whats the deal with this stuff

deej, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 10:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

i know this should be played out to even talk about at this point, except that this stuff is still everywhere, and has been sorta mutating into this gross, largely un-fun monster that gets played at a bunch of different places, at least in chicago, and tons of djs play this stuff. heres what i said on rolling ringtone:

its weird none of this shit seems particularly fun to dance to -- im used to old-ilx-style debates about dance music where everybody talks in reductive terms about a black-white polarity between funkless trance and groovin disco-house or whatever, and although i reject the simple and wrongheaded binary opposition there i have to admit it has sorta subconsciously informed the way i look at a lot of dance, even if in the most general, so-many-exceptions-to-the-rule terms.

this stuff though has really done a service to this sort of offensive race-informed discourse by removing it -- so many shitty djs of all races in this scene, and it is a genuinely diverse scene .... and sometimes it'll have good ideas and sometimes it will have shitty ones, but the worst is this BMORE BREAK x BORING GRATING SYNTH MELODY thing. and this isnt some lol im old bullshit i dont think -- this feels different, like i 'get' whats fun to dance to when listening to a bmore mix, i 'get' house music (obviously) but this stuff seems sheerly irritating when its all thrown together, like there's no vibe, no attempt to really make anything happen, just to signify 'progress' by with this cobbled together frankenstein dance music

― deej, Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:07 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

like the 'problem' doesnt seem like a lack of 'funk,' but just a lack of quality -- unless im just unaware of all the classic blogmore remix classics. Is this stuff gonna be repackaged and sold in ten years and canonized and all that

deej, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 10:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

This is something i noticed when working on a club night which went from late electroclash to bloghouse/global dance eclecticism (we had kid sister, buraka etc) and all these disparate musics were getting so similar it had been mixed into a sort of orrible brown paste. theres no chance of this toss coming back. all the cheap external hard drives this music lives on will have perished and all the DJs hearing will have gone from all the jacked up 192kps serato harshness. its all just middle class indie kids with broadband trying to outdo each other with how many obscure black peoples musics from all over the world they can play semi ironically

straightola, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 11:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

the sad thing about this shit is now a lot of the o.g. Baltimore club producers/labels are starting to cater to that scene more overtly, whether by signing or endorsing more out-of-town new jacks or making more synthy Euro-style tracks, and sometimes it sounds cool but mostly it's depressing. at least that's the sense I'm getting, I try to avoid the post-Hollertronix miasma as much as possible.

nutz in a good way, aka bustin (some dude), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hey deej could you post some youtubes of specific tracks? I have a general idea of what you're talking about, but give me a handful of the worst of this stuff.

matt2, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

^^ this

craig sager (eman), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

rolling soft serve hipster house youtubes thread

nutz in a good way, aka bustin (some dude), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

aka lollertronix pt. 3249325

also wtf is 'bloghouse'

craig sager (eman), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

dudes/dudettes who jam this are hateable but theyre easy targets, politically naive, musically sort of clueless, clique-y and trendy and all that shit... ultimately no one i really know gets down to this and they dont really play it at places i go, except for the chromeo concert i went to, so, you know, i cant spend all that much time hating it, especially since there are way more valuable and important social and musical faux pas to get indignant about, like people thinking phil collins sucks

:) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

lol its an epidemic - good luck alex good luck deej good luck stragolloii - youll never escape it yr all gonna diiiieeeeee !!!!!

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

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this is a chart abt the harvard endowment btw

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

$40 BILLION FOR FLOSSTRADAMUS

:) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

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ice cr?m, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

<3 <3 frankenstein dance music

hey ne1 want a hawt freind 4 there myspace???/ (PappaWheelie V), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

i heard a couple djs playing this stuff the other weekend, it seemed just on the edge of being really corny (like "hmm this is pretty corny, but i guess that sort-of baltimore beat is okay") and there wasn't much dancing.

some know what you dude last summer (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

srsly tho i bet lots sexy girls love it too

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

srsly tho i bet lots sexy girls love it too

can greenzo get real here for a minute, lots of sexy girls love all kinds of music, basically, the same way lots of dbags love all kinds of music and speak all kinds of languages, so this is not saying much of anything

:) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

i bet no sexy girls love rush for instance max

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

RIP uppers.wav

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Edward III, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

Jordan you're in milwaukee right? i think a crew from mpls that does this kind of thing was there recently...

yeah it's ok but only just ok

as a dude (goole), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

o wait it's back nm

Edward III, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

http://www.tripplanier.com/blog_files/page6_blog_entry37_1.jpg
stop right there max

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

madison, actually

some know what you dude last summer (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

was it the moon goons?

as a dude (goole), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 18:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

dudes/dudettes who jam this are hateable but theyre easy targets, politically naive, musically sort of clueless, clique-y and trendy and all that shit... ultimately no one i really know gets down to this and they dont really play it at places i go, except for the chromeo concert i went to, so, you know, i cant spend all that much time hating it, especially since there are way more valuable and important social and musical faux pas to get indignant about, like people thinking phil collins sucks

― :) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:34 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hay icecraem and max im not trynna make a thread for complaining sorry if u got the wrong idea altho i do appreciate your keepin it positive in the face of "i do hate those frat boys!" potential of this thread!!

that said im asking a real serious question about what the the deal is w/ this stuff musically, or what its trying to go for and whether its actually going to be 'remembered' u know what i mean?? and while i dont know anyone personally who is real real into this stuff but i seem to run into it pretty often anyway -- it seems like the kind of thing DJs are just 'into' and theres nothing that can be done. i tend to avoid clubs that play stuff like this but it still gets slipped in, even DJs who start off playing rap music end the night w/ this kind of shit.

honestly i have no idea what songs are 'worst' or 'best' and honestly its not about it being too abrasive -- there's much more abrasive dance music out there -- its just about it being not fun to dance to

^^^Heres one of the songs as we were talking about it on rolling ringtone

^^^heres a lol (bad) remix of a song some of u might know

deej, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 21:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

that trainer has a cd in it mate

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 21:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

nah it was some local dudes (who started off with a nice rap set btw)

some know what you dude last summer (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 21:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

Umm, well, I guess I technically DJ this stuff.

In my sets its a lot less Baltimore and Juke and a lot more abrasive electrohouse, but same difference.

Artists I like in this style.

Santiago and Bushido (technically fidget)
every fifth Crookers track (definitely bloghouse)
some James Amato stuff, basically a lot of stuff on Potty Mouth

And I've been mixing it with LA style electro-noize, like LA Riots.

I play this, because it works.

It seems to be very big in Madison (in a limited mostly college kid way).

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 22:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

do you project the accompanying videos at your nights? that's how it's done at this one night here (DC) and it doesn't help matters imo. i'll dance to this stuff (abrasive electrohouse, the black kids (great name!!!!!), basically everything on here) because the whole room gets dancing and there's an open bar and, well, i like dancing...but it's not even beatmatched?! do you beatmatch?? please tell me you beatmatch.

W i l l, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 22:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

I beatmatch pretty well, and I tend to mix in a lot of older electro-house as well. Stuff like Black Strobe in 2004, older Zombie Nation, Tiga, even some High NRG. Whatever I can get away with basically.

I've been mostly playing at house parties, so no screens.

There's a pretty regular night here called Indie Queer. Its not bad, wouldn't mind playing there.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 22:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

you're in madison?

some know what you dude last summer (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 22:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yeah, no one's ever heard of me though.

I'll play any party for beer basically.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 22:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah the idea of, admit it, big beat, with taylor dayne and rap choruses that everybody knows on top, with some lol90s pop dance thrown in every now and again, sounds great to me. but it's all centered on that justice sound which i don't really like at all. and i'm old.

as a dude (goole), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 23:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

i would KILL to hear the abwehr disco out

W i l l, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 23:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

cool. my friends were dj'ing at Alchemy btw, which isn't a very dancey place anyway (unless you're a hippie band).

some know what you dude last summer (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 23:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

They should try for the Montmartre, its definitely the sort of thing that goes over well there.

A lot of the people who play Indie Queer have things going in Milwaukee too, I don't really know the venues though.

Siah Alan, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 23:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

I think I first decided to play this stuff when I was up in the Twin Cities at the First Avenue. I went there to see Paco Osuna play on the same night as one of the Too Much Love parties. Paco was fine, but the party downstairs had about 5 times as many people there.

I'm like note to self: indie electro/bloghouse/whatever more likely to bring people to venue than Euro DJ.

I saw Jesse Rose play the Smartbar to like 50 people, so even fidget doesn't really have that big a following around here. I like deep house a lot, but it doesn't interest 99% of the people I hang out with.

Siah Alan, Thursday, 4 December 2008 00:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

i appreciate the honest answers esp since folks were clowning this stuff & the ppl who listen to it upthread --

but does this mean the appeal to you is pretty much audience-based, you dont really like to listen to it much? Have you noticed when you do a party or whatever that if you play traditional house people just arent feeling it?

deej, Thursday, 4 December 2008 00:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

I've tried mixing in some other stuff, I got people dancing to some UK Funky house and some Kerri Chandler at one point. But I don't even try that sort of thing unless its after 1:30 or 2 am, the people who actually like dancing will usually stick around for stuff thats a little outside their comfort zone.

I'm kind of torn about the first question, I actually find myself liking this music the more I play it.

I would have considered it hellish to have a Chromeo song stuck in my head even a year ago.

Now its not that bad, I'm basically just trying to find a midway point between my tastes and the audiences.

(I do get sick of the constant requests for Daft Punk songs though).

Siah Alan, Thursday, 4 December 2008 00:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=100522816&blogID=453220995

Check out this chart: Soviet Panda of the Too Much Love night.

Its actually about 50% stuff that I like whole heartedly.

Siah Alan, Thursday, 4 December 2008 00:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

I think middle school dances condition Americans to only dance to songs they recognize--so they won't get down to house unless there's a jayz acappella on top

:) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Thursday, 4 December 2008 00:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

I am a fan of that Crookers Day & Night remix

Teahouse Foxtrot (blueski), Thursday, 4 December 2008 00:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

no max normals dont dance to house because of theyre not gay - this is changing w/the release of the film "milk" now

ice cr?m, Thursday, 4 December 2008 00:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

those kids who do Indie Queer are the WORST perpetrators of this.

surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 4 December 2008 00:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha i forgot about gay/straight binary in my o.p.

deej, Thursday, 4 December 2008 00:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

the usual thesis being america hates the gays

deej, Thursday, 4 December 2008 00:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

like i would say this stuff doesnt sound gay enough except apparently its real big at queer nites around here too. well im stumped -- how can i work identity politics into my fundamental dislike of this stuff???

deej, Thursday, 4 December 2008 00:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

I used to definitely ride for this shit but I agree it's gotten embarassignly bad. the barrier to entry is way too low (logic+serato+blog friends)..the genre has given us a couple dope tracks though...

surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 4 December 2008 00:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah now you can have dance music that people don't ever dance to, because a couple decades ago people danced to music that wasn't called dance music! totally on your wavelength

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 12:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah! now that you mention it I realise that rock has nothing to do with geology either.

J@cob, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 12:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

i agree that a lot of this music resembles rock in some ways

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 13:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm still thinking that a lot of the complaints that revolve around lack of groove still come down to unimaginative deejaying. Maybe deej had the right idea earlier in the thread and some quick and nasty edits might have some benefit here?

Anyways I'm listening to Fake Blood at the moment, like his bass sounds.

And this is really old news but anyone give a shit about the Machines Don't Care album?

DJ Ecchi (Siah Alan), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 17:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

Blue strips aren't solar panels. They are decoration meant to evoke tangled strings on a broken guitar. (???) EMP is hideous, but I don't think that has much to do with its success/failure as urban object/public space. Its intent is to be "fun", and it succeeds on that level, in a ghastly sort of way. That said, they really do need to lose the ribbons.

Suggest Ban Permalink (contenderizer), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 17:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

success is always ghastly contenderizer trust me

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 17:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

this is an interesting thread

ice cr?m, Thursday, 15 January 2009 16:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

who listens to this kind of thing, huh?

Simon Jartvik (special guest stars mark bronson), Thursday, 15 January 2009 16:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

That being said, I also know that I need to accept the fact that this stuff isn't coming from the dance music continuum and it shouldn't be judged according to the same criteria.

yeah

especially in terms of the midwestern US, there is no cohesive scene or fundamental set of ideas that drives this sort of music

it's just a bunch of lonely, isolated young people who seem barely aware of each other, let alone any sense of context or history to what they're doing

words like "bloghouse" that have been coined to describe this kind of thing are like the word "hipster" in that the essential meaning of the word is different from region to region - it's not like europe where there's any kind of aesthetic/historic/social continuity to it

it's less a genre than a vast collection of iChat file transfer windows that self-styled tastemakers occasionally try to pass off as a format

the minneapolis people mentioned in the thread are erol alkan acolytes and not really representative of the types of DJs that really push this kind of music, like the ones from chicago

j. brooks, Friday, 16 January 2009 04:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

also i mean you can finger big beat for birthing this but as far as i'm concerned the beastie boys have a lot to answer for here

j. brooks, Friday, 16 January 2009 06:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

i imagine that shoegaze playlist DJ is involved somewhere

straightola, Friday, 16 January 2009 10:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

are people really shortening blog house to 'blouse'?

(jaxon) ( .) ( .) (jaxon), Saturday, 31 January 2009 19:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

no

max, Saturday, 31 January 2009 19:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

im into the idea of music called blouse - dont think bloghouse is quite the right sound tho

ice cr?m, Saturday, 31 January 2009 19:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

Peter Andre Test Tube Babies (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 31 January 2009 20:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

only thing that bugs me about the cudi/crookers joint is the way crookers won't let the vocal lines end naturally and does that really wanky, arhythmic cutup shit with them

The Reverend, Friday, 9 October 2009 07:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

this is a classic thread. i like how it balances the tensions of the keepin it positive jocular humor i <3 cricket crew w/ the serious dance musics discussion crew, input from the jackoff sesh regs, the dance nerd posse & an explosive interruption from pipecock

plus,

wow, ban me. that sure would be too bad. how could i ever live? i guess it would be slighly less fun not being able to terrorize you pussies, but i think i'd be able to get over it.

― pipecock, Monday, December 15, 2008 1:18 AM (9 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

in fact i just voted to ban myself. let's do it you fucking pussies, put your money where your mouth is. prove you've got something between your legs you bad motherfuckers. don't let me come in here and do as i please.

― pipecock, Monday, December 15, 2008 1:20 AM (9 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the burrprint squee (deej), Friday, 9 October 2009 09:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

You didn't quote "unlike how i terrorize your mom's pussy"

Tim F, Friday, 9 October 2009 13:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

keepin it positive jocular humor i <3 cricket crew w/ the serious dance musics discussion crew, input from the jackoff sesh regs, the dance nerd posse

breakdown of who is in each clique, pls

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 9 October 2009 21:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

or at least just tell me which one i fall into

moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 10 October 2009 01:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

keepin it positive jocular humor i <3 cricket crew

max
ice cream
lamp

the serious dance musics discussion crew

vahid
tim f
matt dc
rtc
lex
blueski

(? basically the funky house crew)

input from the jackoff sesh regs

me
rev
deej
surfboard dudes totally (?)

the dance nerd posse

not sure how this is different than the other group? i guess ppl i've never heard of

j@cob
w i l l
siah alan
display name

(?)

it takes a nation of 51 to hold us back (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 10 October 2009 01:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

poll

i got nothin (deej), Saturday, 10 October 2009 01:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

Dance nerd reporting in, how do you all feel about the Salem remixes of Gucci Mane?

http://www.thefader.com/2009/10/01/salem-remix-gucci-mane/

Yes, I know its the Fader, I'm sorry OK?

Silent Ally (Siah Alan), Saturday, 10 October 2009 05:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

i dunno if he's on this thread (i'm not gonna look) but surely ronan is a dance nerd

butt sound insanity (gbx), Saturday, 10 October 2009 06:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

or srs dance musics discussion crew

butt sound insanity (gbx), Saturday, 10 October 2009 06:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

ronan is serious dance musics discussion crew

those remixes of gucci were awful

NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Saturday, 28 August 2010 22:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

"why yes, i am a climber-- we should go back to my place and climb into my hot tub while i tell you about it."

― ♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:10 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 21 August 2011 21:42 (six years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

i'm into these dudes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjBc7o8qPgA

♆ (gr8080), Thursday, 10 May 2012 03:18 (five years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
three years pass...

Man, kind of a trip to read back through this thread

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:32 (one week ago) Permalink

can one donate to an anti-kickstarter to prevent this book from being written

the late great, Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:39 (one week ago) Permalink

ok not *entirely* the same thing but incredible to me that people are still riding for 2008

the late great, Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:54 (one week ago) Permalink

ahahahaha

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:45 (one week ago) Permalink

TLG : is that a current night out, or an old flyer ?

mark e, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:46 (one week ago) Permalink

looks like the kickstarter already met its goal

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:50 (one week ago) Permalink

wow just realized this is the tenth anniversary of frankendance

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:55 (one week ago) Permalink

oh god it's (half) by meaghan garvey
she's probably not responsible for the absolute worst of what pitchfork's written, but she is the worst in critically questionable self-awareness lacking white-gazey stuff from there that i can attach to a name off the top of my head

heliogabberlus, Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:49 (one week ago) Permalink

xxxp current night out

the late great, Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:25 (one week ago) Permalink

you can tell its current bc the web address is fb and not mypace

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:27 (one week ago) Permalink

lol

the late great, Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:30 (one week ago) Permalink

aaron aamnesiaa must have forgotten the last 10 years happened

the late great, Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:31 (one week ago) Permalink

you can tell its current bc the web address is fb and not mypace
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:27 (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol

i had this exact same thought after i posted actually.
and you know what, if i lived in a town with a scene and was in the mood for going out i would totally go to a night that played that stuff.
i loved it them (as a bystander due to life), and still do.
this mixed in with some electroclash would totally hit my sweet spot.

mark e, Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:37 (one week ago) Permalink

hood pass revoked

the late great, Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:41 (one week ago) Permalink

cant believe this formulation is a decade old:

My theory is that 2008 breaks down like this:

1) Too much of what is good and popular is not populist (nu-deep-minimal; space disco/balearic for the most part; upmarket dubstep)
2) Too much of what is good and populist is not popular (UK funky house)
3) Too much of what is popular and populist is not good (blog-house/frankendance; downmarket dubstep)

― Tim F, Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:17 PM (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

extremely curious how Tim thinks the following ten years played out, if it veered away from this concern or back to it or what have you

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:54 (one week ago) Permalink

TLG : yeah yeah, give an old(er) man a nu-electro-distorted-compressed-to-fuck break.

mark e, Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:01 (one week ago) Permalink

Here's another little time capsule from upthread:

If anything this stuff is probably the North American version of grime. It has a lot of the same weaknesses and will probably have about the same longevity as a genre. I can't really get upset about this stuff because it is going to go away as quickly as it came.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:09 (one week ago) Permalink


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