Remain In Light, Side 2

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"...through the years, by keeping an ideal facial structure fixed in his mind, or somewhere in the back of his mind, that he might, by force of will, cause his face to approach those of his ideal. the change would be very subtle. it might take ten years or so."

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Houses in Motion 26
Listening Wind 15
Seen And Not Seen 8
The Overload 8


as a dude (goole), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 06:49 (fourteen years ago) link

The Overload for me.

Alt Poll, Remain In Light - Side 2 vs Closer - Side 2

MaresNest, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't know the names of any of the songs. It just seems like one long... movement to me.

...it's all just a learning curve (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:09 (fourteen years ago) link

"Listening Wind". Luvvit luvvit luvvit.

Tim F, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Seen & Not Seen, easy

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Do you think the story that they wrote The Overload based solely on what they had read about Joy Division in the british music press is apophrical? Seems a little far fetched to me, considering the results.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:17 (fourteen years ago) link

"listening wind". i know it's regarded as a bit pretentious, but I love the eerie vocal harmonies and the "Wind in my heeeaaarrrt" bits (or whatever they're singing). Great Eno-y noises too.

the next grozart, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Overload sounds so similar to Joy Division, I'd have been very surprised if TH hadn't heard them before, come on.

the next grozart, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 10:23 (fourteen years ago) link

THE WIND IN MY HEAAAAAAART

:) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 11:42 (fourteen years ago) link

THE DUST IN MY HAAAAAAAND

:) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 11:42 (fourteen years ago) link

COME TO DRIVE THEM AWAAAAAAY

:) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 11:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, Overload really does sound like JD pastiche. They even perfectly captured that stuck-in-a-dark-warehouse-in-winter atmosphere.

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 11:57 (fourteen years ago) link

listening wind. by a trillion miles. seemed terribly adventurous as a lyric when i first heard it in about 2003, thanks to ILX come to think of it. gary mullholland has this to say about it in his book FEAR OF MUSIC:
"this is so far away from either punk or agit-pop it may as well have been beamed down from a distant planet. it wants to explain rather than berate and it does so with unlikely sweetness"
amen.

piscesx, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 12:03 (fourteen years ago) link

I really started to appreciate "Houses in Motion" after hearing the version on The Name of This Band Is....

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 13:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Can't believe more people aren't repping for "Houses in Motion" - that's the hook, man

J0hn D., Tuesday, 2 December 2008 13:56 (fourteen years ago) link

one the first records i ever bought was the 'Once In A Lifetime' 7", with 'Seen And Not Seen' on the other side. not having many records i played that b-side hundreds of times at an early age, so at this stage its embedded in my DNA or something. has no one ever looped up the start for a hip hop record?

zappi, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 14:05 (fourteen years ago) link

SEEN & NOT SEEN

Turangalila, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 14:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Seen & Not Seen

Love the atmosphere that song creates, and side 2 of Remain In Light is all about atmosphere.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 14:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Gotta go with "Houses in Motion," in large part because I'm gonna be stuck with it as an earworm for the rest of the day, now that it's been invoked.

DLee, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link

houses in motion for sure.

cutty, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 14:46 (fourteen years ago) link

does anyone know whose decision it was to put all the uptempo songs on one side and the slow moody ones on the other?

as a dude (goole), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 14:55 (fourteen years ago) link

that was my idea

J0hn D., Tuesday, 2 December 2008 15:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Houses in Motion is uptempo

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Ooh so we're getting a sudden "Houses in Motion" resurgence here.

I wrote something about the second side once.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link

the beginning of houses in motion is begging to be sampled

cutty, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link

my mistake, seen and not seen is the song i would sample for my balearic edit 12"

cutty, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Wait, why is "Once in a Lifetime" not one of the poll options?

WmC, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Haha -- I didn't even notice its absence!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 17:07 (fourteen years ago) link

lol whoops

yeah i just checked wiki and lo and behold OIAL isn't on the first side as i'd assumed. it was these four tracks i wanted to poll anyway.

i really can't decide. adrian belew, tho, damn.

as a dude (goole), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link

That asymmetry, 3 and 5 instead of 4 and 4, is one of the things I always liked about the LP.

WmC, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 17:17 (fourteen years ago) link

The final track on the album, "The Overload", was Talking Heads' attempt to emulate the sound of the band Joy Division. This effort was made in spite of the fact that no one in the band had actually heard the music of Joy Division. Rather, it was based on an idea of what Joy Division might sound like. [1]

you crazy kids

as a dude (goole), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 17:19 (fourteen years ago) link

lol hey looks like someone went to art school

:) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link

fyi my parents smoke p-o-t w/ tina n chris a few times in the 70s

:) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link

"In this album was sewn the seeds of what would later become Ziggy Marley and the Melody Makers."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Nice writing, Alfred.

"Does anyone listen to Remain in Light past "Once in a Lifetime"? I've heard "Houses in Motion" get some love, but no one (including me) has claimed much for the three dirges with which the album concludes."

This is one of my ten or so favorite albums of all time, and one of the best sequenced, and I ALWAYS play it in its entirety. Love all three dirges, voted "Listening Wind."

Dan Peterson, Tuesday, 2 December 2008 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link

i had a stoned theory once that each track on this album was slower than the one before it, so it's the like the whole album slowly grinds to a halt by the end. er...it's not true.

Suggesteban Buttez (jabba hands), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Ha! Back in the height of my stoner days I came to that very same conclusion. I don't think I've listened to it in full since then to discover its lack of veracity.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Hard one.

I remember Xgau commenting on the second side evoking John Cale somehow. Not sure I ever heard it that way myself, given that the closest (Music for a New Society) didn't come out until after this.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 01:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, "Listening Wind" conjures the same gently accumulating menace of, say, Cale's "Guts," only it's never funny, and if it is, it'll be grisly (the bomb might explode, and Mojique's arm winds up in a baobab tree).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 03:45 (fourteen years ago) link

"Houses in Motion." I love the dry, slinky, off-center funk, plus it was my first exposure to Jon Hassell.

Hideous Lump, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 04:01 (fourteen years ago) link

I remember Xgau commenting on the second side evoking John Cale somehow.

If he was thinking specifically about "Listening Wind" and "Venus in Furs" (esp the viola drone), I can see it.

WmC, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 04:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Or hear it, rather.

WmC, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 04:27 (fourteen years ago) link

houses in motion. the album really falls off after that imo

Matt P, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 04:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 8 December 2008 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link

i always thought that "the overload" sounded more like pink floyd than joy division (though i also hear the joy division influence too).

Eisbär (Eisbaer), Monday, 8 December 2008 00:04 (fourteen years ago) link

this is so tough, one of my favorite albums ever. i'd probably have to go with the overload just cause i think it epitomizes the vibe of side 2

vergangenheitsbewaeltigung (later arpeggiator), Monday, 8 December 2008 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link

TAKE A LOOK AT THESE HANDS!!

baaderonixx, Monday, 8 December 2008 08:49 (fourteen years ago) link

"listening wind" is my favourite of these but tbh i don't like any of these nearly as much as any of the first four tracks. it will be some rong madness if "the overload" wins though.

aaron d.g., Monday, 8 December 2008 10:29 (fourteen years ago) link

'listening wind' is my fave track on the album, and is generally the only section where i really sit up and start to take notice. the other tracks, up to that point, tend to zip by for me (albeit in a very assured, well-sequenced manner)

Charlie Howard, Monday, 8 December 2008 13:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Houses in Motion needs more love. I watched last nigh that live perf included on the deluxe bonus DVD. So awesome

baaderonixx, Monday, 8 December 2008 13:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I like the live Born Under Punches, but it doesn't really compare. As flappy said the groove is totally different.

Not sure why Once in a Lifetime doesn't come through so well live, it's kind of got a strange rhythm to it and I think Eno's vocals are missed on the chorus. I feel like a lot of the power in the tune is due to the way the instruments are mixed - the bass up top, the twinkly synths in the background, Byrne front and center.

Great Curve...feel like it's too layered and complex to properly replicate. The live version I have sounds like it had to be slowed down and the mass vocals don't gel the way they do in studio.

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 04:28 (four years ago) link

there are plenty of live versions of born under punches that are significantly faster than the recording, like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVIKF03KkVM

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 04:30 (four years ago) link

it's true that the live version doesn't start out with the same groove as the studio version, but it slowly builds the component parts until it reaches a reasonable facsimile of the recorded groove. idk, born under punches is prob my fav heads song, i love both the live and studio versions, but in the live version you can really hear weymouth's bassline--about half of it is totally buried in the recording--and the moment when the rest of the groove locks in with her line is goosebump-inducing.

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 04:34 (four years ago) link

Still a totally different groove though. The parts that make up the studio version are perfectly out of sync in a way that is only possible with tape loops (or samplers, I suppose, but certainly not a live band).

xp

flappy bird, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 04:35 (four years ago) link

Good point about her bass line - the main sort of jumbled up slap bass loop sits really high in the mix.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 04:36 (four years ago) link

back to the topic at hand, Houses In Motion...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaMzKpNC2Jk

y'all should really check out the whole Rome 1980 concert on YT, the versions from that show match anything on The Name of This Band..

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 04:45 (four years ago) link

yes. Belew is an air bomber at this show. Insane playing

flappy bird, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 04:53 (four years ago) link

Just watching the version of Crosseyed and Painless from this show. Belew's solo around the 4-minute mark. Fucking hell. What a band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8lFmsCXhg

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 10:39 (four years ago) link

Srsly Rome 80 is a top 3 all time reason for youtube existing and i have no idea what the other two are.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:00 (four years ago) link

^^

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:00 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

Breakdown of "Rapture" sounds like a Remain in Light outtake: discuss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp9An5OcdE4

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 1 December 2018 23:38 (four years ago) link

yes!

flappy bird, Saturday, 1 December 2018 23:57 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

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budo jeru, Sunday, 12 January 2020 17:31 (three years ago) link

The Eno mix of Houses.. is still unavailable on CD; i can't understand why it wasn't on the Remain In Light reissue. 40 (!) years old this year;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2twY8YQYDBE

piscesx, Sunday, 12 January 2020 22:18 (three years ago) link

Ha oops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=580i1YCnli0

piscesx, Sunday, 12 January 2020 22:19 (three years ago) link

XXP - Apologies, I was posting this news - https://www.loudersound.com/news/adrian-belew-teams-up-with-jerry-harrison-to-tour-remain-in-light

Maresn3st, Monday, 13 January 2020 13:00 (three years ago) link

Be conservative : bring a $20 into the bar and that’s all you can spend.

Just watching the version of Crosseyed and Painless from this show. Belew's solo around the 4-minute mark. Fucking hell. What a band.

📹

calstars, Monday, 13 January 2020 14:05 (three years ago) link

Long interview with Jerry Harrison about upcoming RiL shows and other stuff

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/talking-heads-guitarist-jerry-harrison-remain-in-light-tour-936665/

that's not my post, Thursday, 16 January 2020 20:08 (three years ago) link

I just heard about those shows this morning. Cool, but:

Are you playing the album straight through in sequence?

I don’t see a reason to do that. I don’t think that the order on the album is the order that I would want to play it live... Let’s just say we don’t feel obligated to play every song.

A perfect transcript of a routine post (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 16 January 2020 20:31 (three years ago) link

Since we’re playing festivals, we have maybe 45 minutes to play. We definitely want to give Turkuaz a chance to play a couple of their songs. I think Adrian and I both probably want to play something of our own, too.

So a 45 minute set featuring some Jerry Harrison solo songs, some Adrian Belew solo songs, some songs by this band Turkuaz, and a few songs from Remain in Light? Good for Jerry but I might take pass tbh.

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Thursday, 16 January 2020 21:32 (three years ago) link

Great interview though. What a wonderfully weird guy: I’ve co-founded a company that’s trying to create an antidote to snakebites. Basically, mosquitoes kill the most people, humans kill the next most people and then snakes.

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Thursday, 16 January 2020 21:35 (three years ago) link

is THAT why Byrne still gets Old-Fashioneds with him

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 January 2020 21:38 (three years ago) link

xps I LOVE that "Houses In Motion" remix, a whole extra verse at the end

and yeah, never reissued, just like the cool early version of "New Feeling" here:

https://www.discogs.com/Talking-Heads-Love-Building-On-Fire-New-Feeling/release/1168619

The Squalls Of Hate (sleeve), Thursday, 16 January 2020 21:43 (three years ago) link

So a 45 minute set featuring some Jerry Harrison solo songs, some Adrian Belew solo songs, some songs by this band Turkuaz, and a few songs from Remain in Light? Good for Jerry but I might take pass tbh.

Cross eyed and Painless
The Overload
Oh Daddy
Band Intro Vamp
Cherokee Chief

... (Eazy), Thursday, 16 January 2020 22:03 (three years ago) link

Did not know about either of those alternative versions. Could go for a roundup of all Talking Heads odds and sods, anyone have a list?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 17 January 2020 03:19 (three years ago) link

Giving it a few listens last week, it struck me that segments of the jam part on the Isley Brothers "Live It Up" kinda remind me a bit of the grooves on Remain in Light.

The Live in Rome versions of some of these tracks are outrageously good.

earlnash, Friday, 17 January 2020 03:23 (three years ago) link

Did not know about either of those alternative versions. Could go for a roundup of all Talking Heads odds and sods, anyone have a list?

― Gerald McBoing-Boing

no but there's some interesting stuff, there's the 5.1 mixes which are good and significantly different (even the downmixes of them circulating are great), the eno 12" version of "i zimbra" (this is the one frankie knuckles would spin at the power plant), the longer cassette mix of "speaking in tongues", the version of "psycho killer" with arthur russell...

revenge of the jawn (rushomancy), Friday, 17 January 2020 05:24 (three years ago) link

"Life During Wartime" with Fripp shredding over it as well

never heard that Eno 12" version of "I Zimbra" or the Arthur Russell "Psycho Killer"... YSI? Youtube link?

The Squalls Of Hate (sleeve), Friday, 17 January 2020 05:28 (three years ago) link

I think we owe it to ILM to compile these

The Squalls Of Hate (sleeve), Friday, 17 January 2020 05:28 (three years ago) link

those downmixes are so great. as said re ril, there's bits and lines you can't really even hear in the original and they fit well

in a mellow, balmy way (Hunt3r), Friday, 17 January 2020 05:29 (three years ago) link

yeah agreed, they are pretty much essential for fans

The Squalls Of Hate (sleeve), Friday, 17 January 2020 05:31 (three years ago) link

here's the eno i zimbra remix:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgiHT8SVnXg

tylerw, Friday, 17 January 2020 20:09 (three years ago) link

and here's the arthur russell psycho killer (this was a bonus track on a 77 reish)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoclXuB6JOU

tylerw, Friday, 17 January 2020 20:11 (three years ago) link

fuck yeah, thanks Tyler!

The Squalls Of Hate (sleeve), Friday, 17 January 2020 20:28 (three years ago) link

Tyler is definitely the guy to compile TH rarities and post it on his blog. Please and thank you! ;-)

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 17 January 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link

ha! this thing pulls together some bits n bobs: https://www.amazon.com/Bonus-Rarities-Outtakes-Talking-Heads/dp/B00122REJU

tylerw, Friday, 17 January 2020 21:52 (three years ago) link

I’d always thought of them as a band that did t leave much on the cutting room floor bc other van that houses in motion remix they were pretty stingy with their b-sides. But there’s a surprising amount of alternate versions and outtakes that have come out over the last 10 years from all the various reissues, the box set, greatest hits and etc. Not many of them are very revelatory imo, not many fully-realized unreleased songs, but a lot of fun listening just the same.

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Saturday, 18 January 2020 03:04 (three years ago) link

^typos, posting from the bar, etc etc

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Saturday, 18 January 2020 03:09 (three years ago) link

That Arthur Russell mix is an interesting historical artifact but it is p bad tbqh

uncrut gems (crüt), Saturday, 18 January 2020 16:50 (three years ago) link

yeah, it's kinda neat but it sounds more like an overdub than a remix

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 January 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link

I've waffled on this before but it's funny how the non-extended cuts from the vinyl LP of Speaking In Tongues are pretty obscure now too; the CD copies all used the extra long mixes from the original cassette. Some are a minute longer, some almost 2 minutes.

Also weird; you can only get Storytelling Giant as part of that 2003 box set, there's still no other proper vids compilation.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51gCb0C1zmL._SX355_.jpg

piscesx, Saturday, 18 January 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link

I got it on vhs in my attic if anyone wants to come over and check it out

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Sunday, 19 January 2020 01:22 (three years ago) link

On my way

We Jam von Economo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 January 2020 01:25 (three years ago) link

The 5.1 downmix of Houses in Motion >>>

that's not my post, Sunday, 19 January 2020 01:57 (three years ago) link

personally i prefer the long mixes but i guess i would...

revenge of the jawn (rushomancy), Sunday, 19 January 2020 05:36 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

Listened to this for first time in a long while - historically have played S1 far more but S2 genius really unlocked for me this time - just incredibly sequenced album

Anyway Seen and Not Seen - struck me as having a real Robert Ashley thing going on - like pretty specifically re vocal mannerisms - has Byrne ever copped to a direct influence/tribute here? Like I guess he def woulda been across Ashley’s thing - or was it just more that this “detached anthropological observer of humanity” vibe was common in NYC art scene of the time?

meat and two vdgg (emsworth), Thursday, 16 March 2023 21:23 (two weeks ago) link

Heads albums have some really strong sides. This one, and side one of Naked come to mind.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 16 March 2023 21:44 (two weeks ago) link

Side one of Fear of Music also.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 16 March 2023 21:45 (two weeks ago) link

The final track on the album, "The Overload", was Talking Heads' attempt to emulate the sound of the band Joy Division. This effort was made in spite of the fact that no one in the band had actually heard the music of Joy Division. Rather, it was based on an idea of what Joy Division might sound like. [1]

As opposed to the reality of what "I Remember Nothing" sounded like? Yeah, right.

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 March 2023 22:28 (two weeks ago) link


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