Rarely has a poster been so aptly named as Whiney!
― Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 12 December 2008 14:45 (fifteen years ago) link
3. Tracy Chapman: Tracy Chapman (Elektra) 685 (59)
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 12 December 2008 14:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Ludacris is in no way more innovative or less prone to mediocrity than TV On The Radio (tho it may well be their albums are roughly equal in quality, know rap albums won't beat rock albums in these polls and get over it)
― Kramer vs Balearic (blueski), Friday, 12 December 2008 14:46 (fifteen years ago) link
19. Womack & Womack: Conscience (Island) 207 (19)
― The Reverend, Friday, 12 December 2008 14:47 (fifteen years ago) link
How dare TVOTR sound insufficently black! Why, they don't even try rapping! Perhaps Marcello can sit them down and explain what real blackness is all about.
(More people voted for Talk Is Cheap than I'm Your Man?)
― Dorianlynskey, Friday, 12 December 2008 14:47 (fifteen years ago) link
3, 19
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― Andy K, Friday, 12 December 2008 14:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Incorrect. It's a question of changing things, not getting over things. Better to demolish cancers than "get over" them.
― Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 12 December 2008 14:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Ludacris hasn't been substantially innovative for about half a decade.
― The Reverend, Friday, 12 December 2008 14:48 (fifteen years ago) link
i have no idea what you are all talking about but i do take issue with:
know rap albums won't beat rock albums in these polls and get over it
ughhh no, why should we get over this?
― lex pretend, Friday, 12 December 2008 14:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Unfortunately TV On The Radio fail to transcend their ghosted promise. They have to realise that their voices are not their own, that they are the product of a discourse.
Also, Battles do this sort of thing infinitely better.
― Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 12 December 2008 14:49 (fifteen years ago) link
It's the usual ILM malaise, Lex; white kids clinging on to the rotting deadwood of the old world instead of sailing into the new one.
― Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 12 December 2008 14:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Clinging onto Elbow nurse for fear of something worse.
― Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 12 December 2008 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link
http://mjau.weretree.com/rnd/just-keep-digging.jpg
― The Reverend, Friday, 12 December 2008 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link
What "sort of thing" is that, exactly?
― jaymc, Friday, 12 December 2008 14:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Battles don't sound anything like TVOTR. They do, however, feature black folk playing rock, so I guess that'll do.
― Dorianlynskey, Friday, 12 December 2008 14:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Which is more than can be said for "an album that boldly took the guitar where no record had gone before" which is now officially the most ridiculous assertion ever published in the Grauniad not written by Richard Gott.
― Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 12 December 2008 14:57 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.errorloading.net/uploads/backhoe.jpg
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 12 December 2008 14:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Good call on Womack & Womack, Reverend. Why up so early?
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 12 December 2008 14:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Fell asleep at 8.
― The Reverend, Friday, 12 December 2008 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Much like the artist himself did while making it.
― Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:00 (fifteen years ago) link
because it's The Guardian, a newspaper of certain cultural position in a country where rock music is generally more popular (whether it's 'innovative' or not).
if Badu and Wayne's albums - which seem insincerely elevated in these lists - experience a significant sales bump or profile rise as a result of being in their top 10 then i'd be surprised.
― Kramer vs Balearic (blueski), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:00 (fifteen years ago) link
The Badu album means more to me than album of this decade, imo. Insincerely, my behind.
― The Reverend, Friday, 12 December 2008 15:02 (fifteen years ago) link
I'd question whether rock is actually more popular in Britain than rap and/or dance and/or R&B.
It's certainly written about more for obvious historical/demographic reasons but that doesn't in itself make it more popular.
But the disease through most of the polls we've had so far is the same - stick to the dying embers of whiteboy indie instead of embracing the life of the future, and thus concluding that '08's been a crap/average year and thus saving 50-year-old Fifty Quid Man much inconvenient time and expenditure investigating actual new music.
― Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Guys, there's really no rap album that came out in 2008 that's worthy of being the No. 1 album of the year. But I understand where you're coming from, lex et al
― uәʇɹɐƃu!әʍ ˙ƃ ʎәu!Ⴁʍ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:04 (fifteen years ago) link
And how many 2008 rap albums have you listened to, exactly?
― Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Have we met?
― uәʇɹɐƃu!әʍ ˙ƃ ʎәu!Ⴁʍ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:06 (fifteen years ago) link
And, how many 2008 rap albums have you listened to, exactly?
― Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Marcello, please keep talking to people who listen to a lot more rap than you as if they never listen to rap.
― The Reverend, Friday, 12 December 2008 15:08 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, whip it out, Whiney, show us your list. don't let the size of Marcello's Paper Trail thread intimidate you.
― Anne Dwutt (some dude), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:08 (fifteen years ago) link
look out, this british guy is challenging your rap cred
― n/a is just more of a character....in a genre polluted by clones (n/a), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:09 (fifteen years ago) link
Why should they have been "insincerely elevated", blueski? Especially when I assume the Lex voted for Badu as his favourite album and I know a few others (myself included) who had it in their top five. There's no reason to believe it wasn't placed exactly according to the votes it got. Same goes for Lil Wayne.
This attitude just suggests that if a hip hop album DID get the top spot - if this list had been running in 2003 or 2004 then Outkast and Kanye might both have done so - it would no doubt also be dismissed as insincere posturing/tokenism/hip hop for white people/blah blah blah.
Nobody listens to more rap than Marcello. Don't you know he started this gangsta shit and this is the motherfuckin' thanks he gets?
― Dorianlynskey, Friday, 12 December 2008 15:10 (fifteen years ago) link
I really can't find a way to respond to him without sounding like an arrogant "whippin out my music dick" prick or a total .xls aspie nerd, so can we all just agree that I listen to a whole fucking shit-ton of rap
― uәʇɹɐƃu!әʍ ˙ƃ ʎәu!Ⴁʍ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:11 (fifteen years ago) link
ok i) i don't believe this, ii) if rock is more popular then it shouldn't be - and the media should be the ones transmitting this.
^^^this.
Guys, there's really no rap album that came out in 2008 that's worthy of being the No. 1 album of the year.
my no 1 is erykah, but young jeezy, wiley* and nappy roots made really outstanding albums; lil' wayne, t.i. and trina made inconsistent ones but with amazingly high highs; will also rep for gucci mane, bun b and tinchy stryder too (they're certainly better than tv on the radio, at any rate).
*grime wave, not see clear now. obv.
― lex pretend, Friday, 12 December 2008 15:11 (fifteen years ago) link
nah, you're just hangin' out on the ringtone thread talking the talk while marcello's out in the real world walking the walk
― Anne Dwutt (some dude), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:12 (fifteen years ago) link
For the record, Marcello, if you wanna to talk #s, 41. And I agree with Whiney.
― The Reverend, Friday, 12 December 2008 15:13 (fifteen years ago) link
And how many 2008 rap albums have you listened to exactly?
― Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh my god.
― The Reverend, Friday, 12 December 2008 15:15 (fifteen years ago) link
I have to work today you fucking boner, so I don't have time to count all the piles of promos and downloads, so can we say somewhere around 100?
― uәʇɹɐƃu!әʍ ˙ƃ ʎәu!Ⴁʍ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:16 (fifteen years ago) link
Maybe more, I don't know.
I guarantee I've heard every rap record that you're heard that isn't some oi oi oi bullshit with someone talking about smoking weed over a PlayStation
― uәʇɹɐƃu!әʍ ˙ƃ ʎәu!Ⴁʍ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:17 (fifteen years ago) link
about 30 nat'l releases for me (if you count mixtapes and local releases, then triple that #), and I also agree with Whiney.
― Anne Dwutt (some dude), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:18 (fifteen years ago) link
fair dos i was being overly cynical. i just can't imagine a non-rock album being voted #1 but then am half-thinking 'well that's probably fair enough when you look at who's voting in these things and how everything is slanted against 'other' and why shouldn't one ethos dominate if that's an honest reflection of things etc.
― Kramer vs Balearic (blueski), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:18 (fifteen years ago) link
I have a solution! Maybe these magazines and newspapers and websites and blogs should just vote for NO music by colored people! That would solve their tokenism issue!
― The Reverend, Friday, 12 December 2008 15:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Marcello, I'm usually with you, but you're not making a whit of sense.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 12 December 2008 15:20 (fifteen years ago) link
To be honest most if not all of the Grauniad's Top 50 should have been rap/R&B/grime/dance/reggaeton but I fully understand their need to keep their elderly readership happy with dollops of grim Bob Harris/Radcliffe & Maconie-friendly whiteboy whingeing. Hauntology really is so 2006.
― Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:21 (fifteen years ago) link
no, The Reverend, that's ridiculous. they should have their own list.
― The strawman from the hilarious 'ilx' race threads (some dude), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:21 (fifteen years ago) link
thinking of imposing a "no white people" rule on my lists
(though i think the only artist who'd be affected is ashlee simpson)
― lex pretend, Friday, 12 December 2008 15:22 (fifteen years ago) link
lolntology
― uәʇɹɐƃu!әʍ ˙ƃ ʎәu!Ⴁʍ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 December 2008 15:22 (fifteen years ago) link
How can all these mags release their best-of-2008 lists now, when there's still more than a month left of 2008?
It is a well-known fact that most albums released in December are usually either "best of" compilations or crowded with songs about Santa, reindeers, Christmas trees, snow and mistletoes.....
― Geir Hongro, Friday, 12 December 2008 15:23 (fifteen years ago) link
ONLY MY TASTES ARE VALID GET WITH IT, PEOPLE
― The Reverend, Friday, 12 December 2008 15:23 (fifteen years ago) link