Ramones vs. AC/DC

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You know the drill.

They both came from the mid-70s, forged their own aesthetic, and repeated it over and over. In their own way, both re-calibrated rock for punk/metal consumption, yet they existed in parallel universes. Who pwns Who?

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Ramones 44
AC/DC 30


Pillbox, Monday, 3 November 2008 08:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

Hardest poll ever.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 3 November 2008 08:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

AC/DC, because of the "Highway To Hell" and "Back In Black" albums.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 3 November 2008 10:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

bah, I say! mutt lange killed AC/DC...the man has a horrible production style.

tempted to say ramones, because AC/DC went to shit once brian johnson joined, and this state of affairs has defined them for a long time. however, in truth, the purple patch for both bands was relatively short and occurred early on in their careers.

their numerous highs and arguably more numerous lows are on a par with each other, so it comes down to who I listen to more – and, more specifically, "it's alive" vs "if you want blood..." – and these days, it's the DC.

m the g, Monday, 3 November 2008 11:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

Very hard call, particularly as AC/DC were one of the first bands I discovered all by myself on the radio. I probably grin just as broadly when I encounter either band's music by chance, but in the end I have more Ramones records, listen to them more often, and know them better. So, I'll go with the R.A.M.O.N.E.S.

Soukesian, Monday, 3 November 2008 12:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

'70s AC/DC > '70s Ramones > '80s Ramones > '80s AC/DC > stuff they both did later

AC/DC wins.

xhuxk, Monday, 3 November 2008 14:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

AC/DC, by a big margin

Bill Magill, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

hmmm...i am sort of surprising myself by voting for the ramones. i love both though. but the ramones seem like, i dunno....bigger than ac/dc or more, something that i don't feel like explaining.

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

RAMONES x 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

z "R" s (Z S), Monday, 3 November 2008 16:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

Sorry. Still, if I could quantify

1. critical acclaim for a band (CA)
2. popular support for band through album sales, merchandise and touring (PS)
3. personal opinion for a band (PO)

My (CA+PS)/PO ratio would be off the fucking charts with AC/DC.

z "R" s (Z S), Monday, 3 November 2008 16:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

But by dividing by your PO for a band, the more you like them the smaller their result would be!

Mark G, Monday, 3 November 2008 16:06 (ten years ago) Permalink

In my case,

CA = 10 (out of 10)
PS = 10 (out of 10)
PO = 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002 (out of 10)

(10+10) / 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002

SCIENTIFIC PROOF

z "R" s (Z S), Monday, 3 November 2008 16:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

But by dividing by your PO for a band, the more you like them the smaller their result would be!

This may be true. In fact, it is true. But I didn't mention that at the END, you invert the answer!

z "R" s (Z S), Monday, 3 November 2008 16:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

AC/DC, more songs that mean more to me. And I guess just more songs, which since both bands were pretty consistent (and consistently great), more = better.

Euler, Monday, 3 November 2008 16:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

"but the ramones seem like, i dunno....bigger than ac/dc or more, something that i don't feel like explaining."

Replace AC/DC and ramones and vice versa and this is exactly how I feel. AC/DC just seems bigger to me. The Ramones seem like kids stuff after their debut, in my opinion (which I know is not a popular view).

Bill Magill, Monday, 3 November 2008 16:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

Ramones is a little more diverse in style, AC/DC is musically stronger. It's a draw for me, since both are respectable bands.

Vision, Monday, 3 November 2008 23:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

lolz "respectable"

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 3 November 2008 23:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

honest, I find "lolz" the most stupid reaction I human being can show. It's not respectable, you know.

Vision, Monday, 3 November 2008 23:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

most stupid= not respectable either
make that a stupidest

Vision, Monday, 3 November 2008 23:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure you want to invite attempts to outstupid "lolz", but if it has to go there, it has to go there.

z "R" s (Z S), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

haha the sock made a funny

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

The funny thing is that when I was a teenager I used to say that Ramones was music for stupid people, much to the chagrin of some of my friends. OTOH, even Joey Ramone at his most catatonic could come up with something better than "lolz".

RE sock: see the above about "lolz".

Vision, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

you were funnier when you were making stuff up about the basic, mathematical standards of beauty underpinning all music

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Making up" stuff about the mathematical standards of music.... Hmmmm
So what you trying to tell me is that you're not stupid, just ignorant. Is that it?

Vision, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

pot::kettle

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

You mean the basic music theory has no mathematical foundations, is that it?

Vision, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

you mean that

Vision, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

no I mean that the basic mathematical underpinnings of music vary from one musical culture to the next

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

about the most accurate generalization you can make is that all music can be expressed mathematically. beyond that, there are no hard and fast rules that apply.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

For me it's AC/DC, and always will be. I like the Ramones, and while I'll readily admit that I haven't heard nearly as much of their music as I have of AC/DC's, the songs I have heard tend to feel very samey. To be fair, I've only really heard the songs on the Ramones Mania compilation, but those are their hits and should be the very best the band has to offer, right? I honestly have trouble telling a lot of Ramones songs apart. To me, AC/DC's hits feel much more distinct, much less their album tracks. You would never mistake "TNT" for "Let There Be Rock," or "You Shook Me All Night Long" and "Thunderstruck."

Live and Let Die Krupps (J3ff T.), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_mathematics#Tuning_systems

(which you're probably skimming already)

Sorry OP for this slight detour, please carry on with the Ramones vs AC/DC thing

Vision, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

Ramones are smarter, funnier, more tragic, more versatile, with a broader range of reference-points and a better developed sense of iconography, plus I-IV-V pop hooks >>> 12 bar blues.

x-post

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:41 (ten years ago) Permalink

haha you fucking moron those are all for western music

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:41 (ten years ago) Permalink

or did you skip all the parts about just intonation and different scales and temperaments ad infinitum - like I was saying, just because music can be expressed mathematically does not mean that all music is based on the same principles.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but if the songs all sound the same, none of that really matters, does it?

Live and Let Die Krupps (J3ff T.), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

Western common practice music usually cannot be played in just intonation, even when it is confined to a single key.

I mean what does that tell you.

x-posts

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yellow flag, off-topic, lose 5 yards.

Live and Let Die Krupps (J3ff T.), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but if the songs all sound the same, none of that really matters, does it?

arguing that AC/DCs songs DON'T all sound the same is a little "uh waht" to me. barring the odd bagpipe solo (lolz), every song has the exact same instrumentation, production style, lyrical themes (ie, fucking, with special attention given to double entendres), and interchangeable chord progressions, all falling within yr standard blues-rock tempos. Highway to Hell does sound a lot like TNT or If You Want Blood or any countless others.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

really the only difference in AC/DC songs is the tempo and the hooks. And they are good at hooks I don't deny it. Ramones were better at it though.

I think this really does come down to me preferring I-IV-V pop progressions over 12-bar blues though.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

wtf - 12-bar blues IS 1-4-5 !

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

I admit I am typin fast and not explainin myself well here... I guess I'm thinking more of the differences between major scales and blues scales (ie major vs. pentatonic)

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

haha in my high school band that was the difference between playing a pentatonic solo in key and playing it three frets down

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

shakey i like the ramones better too but you are treading on some thin hongro ice with this stuff!!!!!

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'm not trying to perpetuate the digression here, but Vision & Shakey Mo: If you haven't already, you should look into the book Temperament by Stuart Isacoff -- an examination of the evolotion of various Western and n0n-Western musical scales, the fundemental underpinning of mathematics (specifically of the Pythagorean strain, if I recall correctly) & other interesting things like the relationship between various scale modes and their influence on different forms of architecture. Etc. Not sure what all this has to do with AC/DC vs. The Ramones, as both are about as straight-ahead, no-frills 4/4 as you can get, but whatevs.

Pillbox, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

Your frantic and shakey internet crash course will not do, nor will your attempts to rephrase what you said. Western music has certain scales which we have grown used to. Other musical traditions can be read in terms of specific mathematical relations as well. You denied that, remember? That'd be a good subject for a thread actually (music theory).

Pillbox, it is a fantastic book, I know it, and since you mention it let me also refer to most of Charles Rosen's books, where this subject is mentioned with different degrees of depth. I really do stop here, sorry Pillbox.

Vision, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 01:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

arguing that AC/DCs songs DON'T all sound the same is a little "uh waht" to me. barring the odd bagpipe solo (lolz), every song has the exact same instrumentation, production style, lyrical themes (ie, fucking, with special attention given to double entendres), and interchangeable chord progressions, all falling within yr standard blues-rock tempos. Highway to Hell does sound a lot like TNT or If You Want Blood or any countless others.

are you serious? this could easily be used as ammunition against the ramones as well. they have hundreds of songs that sound virtually identical by the same standards you are using.

Pantheism F. Mohair (res), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 01:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

how bout i just split the difference with motorhead

BYE! GOOD (latebloomer), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 01:41 (ten years ago) Permalink

I heart Motorhead (I even named my hamster Lemmy), but AC/DC are one of the few bands that have managed to consistently stay in my top 10 all time favorites.

Live and Let Die Krupps (J3ff T.), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 01:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

I gotta give AC/DC the edge for their rhythm section. Both rhythm sections swing, but AC/DC's swings juuuuust a little wider and deeper.

Sara Sara Sara, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 06:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

AC/DC shirts aren't exactly obscure, either.

Live and Let Die Krupps (J3ff T.), Wednesday, 5 November 2008 01:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

Hey where's Beavis? That T-shirt reminds me: is Metallica an AC/DC spawn?
I can kind of hear it in the drums...

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 5 November 2008 01:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

i don't hear ac/dc in metallica at all

BYE! GOOD (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 November 2008 19:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

maybe post black album metallica

BYE! GOOD (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 November 2008 19:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

thank AC/DC for the Cult's makeover

flyover statesman (will), Wednesday, 5 November 2008 19:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

AC/DC begat rhino bucket.

m the g, Wednesday, 5 November 2008 20:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

And a thousand Aussie bands. Where to start?

moley, Thursday, 6 November 2008 00:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

Also Krokus, and maybe even Accept, Saxon and Judas Priest, took a few moves from AC/DC in about 1980-82. But yeah, those Aussie bands -The Angels, Rose Tattoo and their ilk, and then, fast forwarding to lamer times, Airb0rne.

moley, Thursday, 6 November 2008 00:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

Don't forget Krokus!

Live and Let Die Krupps (J3ff T.), Thursday, 6 November 2008 01:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 00:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 12 November 2008 00:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

this is bullshit.

Pantheism F. Mohair (res), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 00:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

about right.

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 November 2008 09:15 (ten years ago) Permalink

A lot of silent Ramones voters seemingly.

Sugar hiccup, Makes a pig soar and swoon (Pillbox), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 09:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

This is a crap result.

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 12 November 2008 15:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

oh man up

gabba gabba!

M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 12 November 2008 15:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

Never a doubt.

Jazzbo, Wednesday, 12 November 2008 16:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

Today ILM, Tomorrow the World

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 12 November 2008 17:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

ac/dc has never got the popular acclaim they deserved then anyway

Booker van Permalink (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 17:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

'70s AC/DC > '70s Ramones > '80s Ramones > '80s AC/DC > stuff they both did later

AC/DC wins.

― xhuxk, Monday, November 3, 2008 9:19 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in this contest, mr eddy is totally 1,000% OTM.

spicy bacon, bitch! (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 04:34 (six years ago) Permalink

though the contest b/w 70s ac/dc and 70s ramones is REAL close. as dumb and juvenile as it may be, i judge based on the fact that Joey et. al. were incapable of a song like "big balls."

spicy bacon, bitch! (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 04:37 (six years ago) Permalink

AC/DC!!

the late great, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 05:14 (six years ago) Permalink

ANTI CHRIST DEVIL'S CHILD \m/

Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 16:03 (six years ago) Permalink

ramones because ac/dc were fucking terrible

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:05 (six years ago) Permalink

no way dogg

the best Laid jams (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:18 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah, no. i like this poll cuz there's no wrong answer.

i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:23 (six years ago) Permalink

Ramones without a doubt, although these days I'm content enough to mainly stick to their first few albums rather than wade through their 80s/90s output (which is totally worth doing for anyone that's not done it before though, there's plenty of gems in amongst the more average-y stuff).

Grimes, Shoots & Leaves (Mr Andy M), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:36 (six years ago) Permalink

None of that is meant to argue against the fact that AD/DC are also pretty great obv.

Grimes, Shoots & Leaves (Mr Andy M), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:37 (six years ago) Permalink

both these bands are great!

the best Laid jams (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:39 (six years ago) Permalink

AC/DC by a long shot.

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:55 (six years ago) Permalink

I'm a bit too old for AC/DC to have been a part of my youth, although I like a few songs. Ramones were a huge life-changer.

The specifics are these, which is those principles I described (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 18:59 (six years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

daft question because these are obviously the only two rock bands worth listening to

maybe thin lizzy too but yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3nEAmt5AZ8

meaulnes, Saturday, 6 April 2019 01:22 (two weeks ago) Permalink

fucking hell forgot about sabbath going to bed now night ilx love you xx

meaulnes, Saturday, 6 April 2019 01:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

um Motörhead too

brimstead, Saturday, 6 April 2019 03:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Thin Lizzy v. CCR would tough.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Saturday, 6 April 2019 04:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

*be*

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Saturday, 6 April 2019 04:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

both great but CCR's insane short period of genius is one of the great accomplishment of rock n roll

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 6 April 2019 05:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I've tried to get into Motorhead and Thin Lizzy, but so far they haven't really clicked beyond the most obvious songs/albums (same with Deep Purple). Whereas as far as my listening habits go, AC/DC and Ramones remain a satisfyingly monolithic body of work.

CCR rulesl, but they're a different kind of band.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 6 April 2019 12:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i pull pints in a corporate bar and we have both motorhead and metallica beers on tap. ac/dc would never sell out to craft beer fuckery.

meaulnes, Sunday, 7 April 2019 02:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

AC/DC's wine range launched in 2011 (and STILL doesn't have a Whole Lotta Rosé)

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/17/ac.dc.the.wine/t1larg.acdc.wine.jpg

Their lager came out from Karlsberg in 2015

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1219/4344/products/acdc_rock_or_bust_1024x.jpg

so technically true I guess

blokes you can't rust (sic), Sunday, 7 April 2019 03:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"High Voltage" energy drink, 2013

http://blog.metal-and-wine.com/wp-content/uploads/blog_acdc_high-voltage.jpg

mid-strength pre-mix bourbon & cola, 2016

http://assets.blabbermouth.net.s3.amazonaws.com/media/acdcbourbon1.jpg

blokes you can't rust (sic), Sunday, 7 April 2019 03:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Still no best-of album though, right?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 April 2019 03:25 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Not officially, but there is Who Made Who and the Iron Man 2 soundtrack.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 7 April 2019 03:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

well i'll be fucked

meaulnes, Sunday, 7 April 2019 08:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink

add böc to the list of “only rock bands worth listening to” you cowards

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 April 2019 16:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

If we try hard, we can get the list up to four or five.

clemenza, Sunday, 7 April 2019 16:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

BOC is the cutoff. No more rock bands worth listening to.

jmm, Sunday, 7 April 2019 16:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

glad we can find some middle ground on this pressing matter.

meaulnes, Monday, 8 April 2019 00:27 (one week ago) Permalink

BOC def

brimstead, Monday, 8 April 2019 00:36 (one week ago) Permalink

both great but CCR's insane short period of genius is one of the great accomplishment of rock n roll

I agree, CCR is the <3 and I would vote for them over Thin Lizzy, but there are moments where Phil Lynott’s voice just gets me in a way that Fogerty can’t (and never really tries to).

Those two bands have two of my favorite rhythm sections: so tough, but still lithe.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Monday, 8 April 2019 20:29 (one week ago) Permalink


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