Spotify - anyone heard of it?

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I just read about this. Apparently some kind of streaming iTunes looking service with rights to all the majors cleared. Could be interesting? If nothing else just to see it fail miserably...

sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 08:39 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

trying this now. blatant rip of itunes design-wise but looks better in many ways. all i really want to do with it is listen to whole albums easily and it seems to let you do that very well (i haven't heard the ads yet tho).

Teahouse Foxtrot (blueski), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 12:24 (eleven years ago) link

20 second xbox ad came in after 5 songs. not bad really.

Teahouse Foxtrot (blueski), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 12:45 (eleven years ago) link

needs last.fm support asap

Teahouse Foxtrot (blueski), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 13:09 (eleven years ago) link

the ads don't bother me that much either, haven't noticed if 5 songs is always the limit? in any case it's 5 songs of any length, and you can listen to "In C" for example straight through which is cool.

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 15:13 (eleven years ago) link

I love it!

I think there is progress towards spotify scrobbling happening here:

http://www.last.fm/group/Scrobble+for+Spotify

Stevie T, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 15:15 (eleven years ago) link

carsmile sent this link: http://code.google.com/p/scrobblify/

scrobbles perfectly

Teahouse Foxtrot (blueski), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 15:34 (eleven years ago) link

for Windows maybe!

Stevie T, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 15:45 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah this looks terrific, I like how easy it makes it to dip into artists with huge discographies.

Although I haven't actually listened yet, just been browsing so far.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 16:15 (eleven years ago) link

i am so in love with this thing <3

king lame (c sharp major), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 16:23 (eleven years ago) link

some artist tag crapness tho

Teahouse Foxtrot (blueski), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 16:24 (eleven years ago) link

the radio is fun for discovering things totally insane and cheesy

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 16:41 (eleven years ago) link

Oh wow the quality is actually pretty good.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 19:24 (eleven years ago) link

The radio thing is indeed cool. I'm trying to get it to find me some techno from the 50s.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 19:24 (eleven years ago) link

the quality is good, the range not so much, but this could well prove useful.

country matters, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 19:25 (eleven years ago) link

Presumably the range will increase as they agree deals with more record companies? It seems fine for major label stuff and a quick search for eg Kompakt pulls up a lot.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 20:44 (eleven years ago) link

does it pass the melt banana test?

koogs, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 20:56 (eleven years ago) link

the range seems identical to what's on 7digital (and therefore itunes i think). eg they have trina's first and third albums but inexplicably not her second or fourth. i dunno how much use i'll have for spotify but kudos for how well it works, the quality of the tracks etc - the tags need ironing out but i'm sure they'll do this in time.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 20:57 (eleven years ago) link

actually it'll be most useful for stuff like the goldfrapp album this year - i didn't really expect to love it but i wanted to hear it, so obv i wouldn't buy it but couldn't be arsed blagging it. that's a ton of consumer laziness in there.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 20:59 (eleven years ago) link

oh god i should've said i was american! fuck. could've got access to all the hip-hop and r&b which never makes it over to this godforsaken, miserable island.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 21:01 (eleven years ago) link

Do they have a license for the US now? I don't think they did a couple of weeks ago...

Four MB albums, Deano: Teeny Shiny, Bambi's Dilemma, Charlie and Scratch or Stitch.

Stevie T, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 21:12 (eleven years ago) link

does not work in australia yet

Suggesteban Buttez (jabba hands), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 22:51 (eleven years ago) link

Just searched for The Recession and that shows up in its entirety, and it hasn't been released here at all right?

It's really good for the one-album playback when you've no idea if you'll like it or not and can't be arsed downloading.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 23:04 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i'm basically going through albums i've been wondering about checking out but didn't have the hd space for.

king lame (c sharp major), Wednesday, 3 December 2008 23:05 (eleven years ago) link

no the recession was released here, but the label didn't bother telling the pr - she only realised when she looked on amazon and found it had been there for a fortnight

lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 23:10 (eleven years ago) link

"80s funk house disco" radio suggests Jive Bunny and the Mastermixers!

ailsa, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 23:31 (eleven years ago) link

> Four MB albums, Deano

thanks. we don't have any, amazon.co.uk mp3 store has scratch n stitch and a couple of tracks from compilations, emusic had a lot... all these people seem to be getting their info from the same places though, they all make the same mistakes (search for broadcast on amazon - details are about duophonic / warp broadcast but the listed albums aren't)

koogs, Thursday, 4 December 2008 09:37 (eleven years ago) link

One detail I like: when it gets to the end of what I've queued up, it just continues with the current album without me needing to ask it to. (I suppose I can see how someone might not like this, though.)

anatol_merklich, Thursday, 4 December 2008 19:48 (eleven years ago) link

Finally got round to sorting scrobbling for this (there's a windows messenger box ticked by default in the last.fm client that somehow stops Scrobblify from working). So far I'm really liking Spotify - handy for hearng stuff you randomly think on that you haven't got in your library or for legal trying before you buy. The adverts don't annoy me in the slightest.

slag move (onimo), Thursday, 4 December 2008 22:55 (eleven years ago) link

fails Boredoms test :(

slag move (onimo), Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:21 (eleven years ago) link

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

anyone got a spotfiy INVITE?

jordan s (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:28 (eleven years ago) link

If not, try the "oooh ask me please!" option on the website ("Get started" -> email in "Not invited?" field). Took about five days for me, was surprised to get it at all actually.

anatol_merklich, Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:31 (eleven years ago) link

jordan, webmail me an email address to send an invite to.

slag move (onimo), Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:50 (eleven years ago) link

didn't get asked for an invite here, just got straight in

stet, Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:59 (eleven years ago) link

This is amazing! You type in what you want to listen to, and then you are listening to it. all this needs is to work on an iphone, and then i'll buy an iphone, and then i will have achieved bliss.

Slumpman, Sunday, 7 December 2008 12:10 (eleven years ago) link

Mine appears to have made it through an album without giving me any adverts. Maybe they've bumped me up to a pro account without realising it.

Matt DC, Sunday, 14 December 2008 14:49 (eleven years ago) link

you can now scrobble to last.fm from within spotify (it's in 'preferences')

braveclub, Sunday, 21 December 2008 12:55 (eleven years ago) link

That's handy, saves me running that scrobblify thing at the same time.

Spotify lists 'The Prodigy' as 'Prodigy' and makes last.fm think this guy sings Smack My Bitch Up and Out of Space
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/17704623.jpg

dj onimotian (onimo), Sunday, 21 December 2008 13:39 (eleven years ago) link

four weeks pass...

can someone please send me an invite?

thanks!!

kaiser, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 14:20 (eleven years ago) link

Er....

https://www.spotify.com/en/get-started/

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 14:37 (eleven years ago) link

Think there's still a waiting list though.

<3 this service btw.

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 14:50 (eleven years ago) link

Got in straight away with the link I posted.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 15:08 (eleven years ago) link

Aha they've obviously opened it up!

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 15:23 (eleven years ago) link

Downside is loads more ads (I've heard two during the same album), but you can hear them coming after a while and tune out. Still great.

chord simple (j.o.n.a), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 15:51 (eleven years ago) link

thanks Chewshabadoo but I need an invitation code.

Please!

kaiser, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 19:55 (eleven years ago) link

If i hear gareth jones from cardiff reciting pi again i'll scream

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 19:56 (eleven years ago) link

(advert)

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 19:57 (eleven years ago) link

And I'm not buying that White Lies record either.

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:15 (eleven years ago) link

At least it doesn't scrobble the adverts

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:19 (eleven years ago) link

jonathan from spotify sounds remarkably like Michael Vaughan

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:41 (eleven years ago) link

I'm just an unfrozen caveman, Alba

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:04 (one week ago) link

What is this FLAC of which I have heard the learned speak

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:06 (one week ago) link

That's why I actively bought used records, and often would refrain from buying something new just because I knew eventually it would show up used. Oops, no royalties for the artists in that scenario. I guess I've been anti-artist from the start, and used record stores were parasites.

I've heard this argument before and it is nonsense. Fact is that someone, at some point in the chain, paid $16-$18 for that CD / record, the artist share of which would require thousands of streams to equal

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:18 (one week ago) link

well, these streaming services are providing a mechanism for people to hear your music to potentially buy or go see you in concert. if you don't want to agree to that bargain, don't do it. complaining after the fact, after you've signed a contract, is just a bunch of sour grapes and entitled behavior. Don't like the cut you get per stream, don't sign up for streaming. it's simple. alternately, write music as popular as Beyonce or Radiohead and you'll be making millions from streaming with absolutely zero additional effort required on your part.
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, August 3, 2020 3:50 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't think you have the slightest idea what you are talking about

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:19 (one week ago) link

Ok, i could accept that i'm wrong. Care to tell me where my comment strays from reality? I'm not a musician and have never read or signed a contract. Perhaps you have and can shed some light on it.

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:48 (one week ago) link

In the 80s, I bought way more bootleg records than I do now

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 01:04 (one week ago) link

Ok, i could accept that i'm wrong. Care to tell me where my comment strays from reality? I'm not a musician and have never read or signed a contract. Perhaps you have and can shed some light on it.

For starters, many artists don't negotiate those terms - their labels do. And very few labels take a poll of the artists on their roster before agreeing to these deals. I don't know if anti-streaming artists like Zola Jesus are on Spotify but I'm willing to bet many of them are because they had no say in the matter.

write music as popular as Beyonce or Radiohead and you'll be making millions from streaming with absolutely zero additional effort required on your part

and this is just silly. No one sets out to write unpopular music. The freakiest of free jazzers still want an audience. There are obviously many factors that determine success, and very few of them have anything to do with talent, ability, or hard work. Surely you know this

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 01:36 (one week ago) link

I mean, that’s not what they were suggesting so much as “no money? try harder” which is... wrong but not wrong.

My experience with “giving advice to potential professional musicians” is actually the opposite— to maintain an amateur relationship to one’s music-making for as long as possible. The sweet spot is “have a day job, keep music as a lucrative hobby”. I’ve only ever encountered two emerging musicians and told them “do this as your job you’re doing great” and one of them was Grimes in 2011, ha.

Music-making just isn’t lucrative enough for anyone to consider it as a career option, and furthermore, pegging a requirement of saleability/profitability on your art practice literally makes you crazy, makes music-making feel hollow and empty, and eventually leads all music-makers to die broke, alone, depressed, and buried in a pauper’s grave.

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 01:59 (one week ago) link

hmm idk sounds kinda rock n roll

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 02:02 (one week ago) link

soundslike, it feels like you're preaching to the choir here, idk if there are any regular ilm posters who don't buy lots of music from bandcamp or elsewhere.

Don't know if I'm a regular ILM poster anymore, but I've been here long enough. And I literally have not bought an album in years because I have a Spotify subscription, which I make use of every single day.

It sucks that the business model isn't friendly to artists, but buying music out of guilt just feels like a waste of time. (How do I decide whose music to buy and whose to stream? What do I do with it once I've bought it? Put it on a hard drive in a drawer?)

I pay $120/year for Spotify. In the pre-streaming era, I'd guess there were maybe only a couple of years when I spent much more than that on new music. I bought a handful of new albums but acquired most through trading and file-sharing. With streaming, I'm happy not to have to scrounge as much as I used to. And for that convenience, I would gladly spend twice as much on Spotify as I do.

Maybe I never actually *loved* music because I never dropped half my paycheck at a beloved record store every week. But I'm also not sure that I would have continued to care about new music past my 30s had I not been able to access it as easily.

jaymc, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 03:09 (one week ago) link

as someone who has been working music industry adjacent for the past fifteen years, i would suggest that i have never known an artist who has gotten by on record sales.
everybody i know who makes a living making music makes money on commission, composing, touring, licensing, merch, songwriting, celebrity, marrying rich, being born rich.
which is not to say it doesn't happen! but i think it's about as likely as getting a job playing in the nba.
which is not to say it shouldn't happen more often! but pretending that streaming is what's put an end to the halcyon days of artists living of royalties is ahistorical.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 05:08 (one week ago) link

which is to say, fgti and pgwp otm

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 05:10 (one week ago) link

I bought a lot of CDs once upon a time (more than jaymc but probably well down the ILM ranks) but I haven't owned anything that could play a CD in more than half a decade - I tried to get into vinyl and I completely get the special joy of putting on The Shape of Jazz to Come or Dopesmoker and listening to it in its entirety vs. skipping around as iTunes and now streaming pushes me to do but I just don't like dedicating the space and resources.

I pay for Spotify, I have Apple Music via a family sharing thing that my brother pays for, and I buy stuff from small artists on Bandcamp just to support them... but there's really nothing else musicians/the industry could do to get more out of me. I don't want merch or special access to an artist's social media, ticket discounts wouldn't mean much because I don't go to anything large enough for tickets to be expensive.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 05:27 (one week ago) link

Jaymc's post is eerily word for word what I could have written about my own experience.

Alba, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 10:30 (one week ago) link

When I was in my 20s I was probably spending about £200 a month on vinyl/CDs but then you get older and have car/house/kids etc there's just no way I could afford to spend that much anymore.

So I now have Spotify and I maybe buy one or two CDs a year, usually direct from small record labels (and I reckon at least the last six or seven I bought are still unopened in their cellophane wrapping)

chonky floof (groovypanda), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 12:16 (one week ago) link

And for that convenience, I would gladly spend twice as much on Spotify as I do.

This to me is a huge component. Spotify/streaming being so much cheaper than just about any other media service (cable, hulu, netflix, amazon, etc, etc,) while at the same time being orders of magnitude more comprehensive than any of these other services (i.e. you pretty much get nearly all new big releases with a single streaming service whereas for tv/film you would need a minimum of 2-3 services to get even decent coverage).

In my view Spotify should be at least in the $40-50 per month range before you even get into the record company shenanigans on accounting. And I am going to venture that the main reason why it is not in that range is that Spotify have researched and found that they would have vastly fewer subscribers than they do, it would have taken longer to become a market leader, and it would have delayed them from getting to their precious IPO, which was the end goal all along.

Tōne Locatelli Romano (PBKR), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 14:13 (one week ago) link

The Spotify IPO was, very unusually, a direct listing with no additional stock sold. So pretty much the laborious opposite of a cash-out.

glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 14:55 (one week ago) link

And Spotify have never been in the mp3 (or Ogg Vorbis) selling business, right?

I definitely remember a time, possibly about a decade ago, when there were "buy" buttons in the track listings, for downloading the corresponding mp3s for an extra fee. It may only have worked for parts of the catalogue for all I remember, and I don't think it lasted more than a few months.

anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 23:12 (one week ago) link

Ah, I'd forgotten that.

Alba, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 23:36 (one week ago) link

and this is just silly. No one sets out to write unpopular music.

― Paul Ponzi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Unwanted_Song

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 23:43 (one week ago) link

<3

sleeve, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 23:44 (one week ago) link

The Spotify mp3 buy was real. Spotify didn’t distinguish between full length mixes and a 3 minute track so I was able to download the full length mix of some of the Late Night Tales albums for a fraction of the cost of buying each track seperately.

Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 07:30 (one week ago) link

i guess i found my hill to die on pic.twitter.com/Sgv3AkgnHs

— ZOLA JESUS OF TSUSHIMA (@ZOLAJESUS) August 5, 2020

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 18:12 (one week ago) link

made me think of fgti itt:

For 100,000 streams Spotify pays $400.....Apple pays $600.....Tidal pays $2,800. Unfortunately none of y’all fuck with Tidal....it’s either Spotify or Apple Music....lol the black business pays more and gets the least amount of love. Smh

— Trizz (@Tr1zz) July 31, 2020

Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Thursday, 6 August 2020 04:29 (one week ago) link

they also charge more, came late to the party, bellyflopped their initial publicity push and have been playing catch up since. which is not to say i couldn't see switching over to them at some point in the future! just that their lack of market share is not inexplicable.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 6 August 2020 05:42 (one week ago) link

This is unfair but the "founding member" artists of Tidal are almost all people I loathe and want to see go bankrupt.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 6 August 2020 05:47 (one week ago) link

I liked Tidal when I tried it, though its interface is almost an exact Spotify clone (for better or worse). If I had to give up YTM for some reason, I would probably go with Tidal.

Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Thursday, 6 August 2020 06:37 (one week ago) link

Tidal pays 70% of their revenue in royalties, divided up by streams the same way Spotify and Apple pay. The "rate" is not a thing in itself, it's just the result of dividing total royalties paid by total streams. Tidal's main draw is the $20/mo HiFi plan, which nobody else offers, so presumably a significant share of their subscribers pay for that, but if 100m Spotify users all moved over to Tidal's regular $10 plan because Tidal's "rate" is higher, the rate would go down.

Also, at last report Tidal had single-digit millions of subscribers, so if you're getting 100k streams on Tidal, you're probably Jay Z.

glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:24 (one week ago) link

Tidal's main gimmick was a circuit city home theater A/B room

it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:45 (one week ago) link

Reading through those quarterly shareholder reports, it seems as if the main issue with Spotify (insofar as artist compensation is concerned) is the free-with-ads service. I'm torn. Saying "get rid of the free-with-ads program" is kinda classist, but how else can we get around the fact that the main DSP is giving away the music for free and making crazy profits off of it?

$10 a month for free music forever is so... reasonable, too. And ulysses otm, TIDAL's launch was embarrassing

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:45 (one week ago) link

A music enthusiast friend of mine, however, who had both a TIDAL and a Spotify account, said that he much preferred TIDAL's playlist creation and so forth-- he said it was generally just much higher quality than Spotify's. Anyway

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:46 (one week ago) link

Can artists put their own ads in the middle of albums like podcasts?

it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:47 (one week ago) link

that would be an interesting hell

it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:49 (one week ago) link

Sigue Sigue Sputnik lp had adverts between tracks in '86

koogs, Thursday, 6 August 2020 18:32 (one week ago) link

Werent beyonce and her husband doing dodgy shit to funnel extra Tidal royalties their own way?

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 6 August 2020 22:26 (one week ago) link

Tidal was accused of that and there was an investigation, but I don't know if there is any more recent news.

Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Thursday, 6 August 2020 23:01 (one week ago) link

"beyonce and her husband" would have been a far superior name for the carters

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 7 August 2020 00:25 (six days ago) link

Sorry if this issue has been addressed already (it’s a huge thread !) : after an update, I have lost almost all my albums library (on iphone).
It’s weird since when I look for a specific album that was in my library, it still has the heart/selected thing but it’s not in the library anymore...
This is pretty annoying since I had a BIG albums library and it’s the main way I used the app... almost feel like quitting Spotify now that all that work has been reduced to dust...

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 7 August 2020 09:42 (six days ago) link

Even downloaded albums have disappeared from the library although they’re still downloaded !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 7 August 2020 09:47 (six days ago) link

from the Pavement thread (possible chicanery):

interesting new Pavement album came out on Spotify last friday

― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, August 10, 2020 2:43 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Is that like the (now removed) new Neutral Milk Hotel song that popped up on Spotify over the weekend? Seemed like Jeff Mangum going future bass was a 2020 twist too good to be true.

― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, August 10, 2020 2:48 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

this will be 1/2 of ILM's favorite Pavement album lmao

― Thicc Nhat Wanh (rip van wanko), Monday, August 10, 2020 2:57 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Anybody know what’s going on? There’s also a new «Yo La Tengo» single on Spotify in a similar vein, i.e relatively basic instrumental EDM

― Mule, Tuesday, August 11, 2020 2:24 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Someone lost the keys to the Matador office?

― Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 2:36 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:05 (two days ago) link

Thanks for bringing that over, I was about to do the same. Curious to why this is suddenly happening to prominent indie bands.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:27 (two days ago) link

Useful to remember that all music is delivered to Spotify through licensors, in bulk. No artist is logging in and uploading songs, that isn't a thing (yet). So when stuff like this happens, it's not an account-security issue, it's that somebody decided to type "Moses Gunn Collective" into the "artist" field on their new release, and the artist was obscure enough that they got away with it for a few days before somebody reported it.

(It's still a real problem, mind you, and this recent spate of junk aimed at indie bands is all coming from one licensor and being investigated...)

glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:39 (two days ago) link

Thanks, Glenn. Just out of curiosity, why does the obscurity of the artist matter for something like this? Why isn’t the new entry treated as a different artist (with the same name), instead of automatically linked up with an existing one?

Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:46 (two days ago) link

I forgot to add: she continued to insist she was right after I started to GIS.
Thanks, Glenn. Just out of curiosity, why does the obscurity of the artist matter for something like this? Why isn’t the new entry treated as a different artist (with the same name), instead of automatically linked up with an existing one?


Pretty sure it’s intentional on the part of the licensor to use the name of an existing popular group (but not too popular lest they get caught out immediately) to get plays that they wouldn’t earn otherwise.

Boring, Maryland, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:53 (two days ago) link

Of course, but what I’m saying is, why are they automatically linked up in the database? Why is it not treated as a different entity unless proven otherwise (whatever that would mean)? A lot of bands have identical names (historically, anyway).

Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:55 (two days ago) link

I thought that problem had been solved when the Spotifys of the world finally stopped infecting the artist page for Unrest (the ‘80s/‘90s indie band) with albums & tracks by more recent hardcore/metal bands with the same name (there’s still one of those on YouTube Music, actually).

Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 16:00 (two days ago) link

We get stuff from the same real bands via multiple distributors all the time, due to the fractured nature of global licensing, so "different entity unless proven otherwise" would produce the opposite problem where one band would routinely end up with many separate profile pages that would have to be manually combined. So there's a complicated bit of software that tries to use multiple cues to figure out what the right assignments are for ambiguous submissions. It usually works, and we have a team of people checking questionable cases and fixing things. This particular case is in some ways the hardest, because a new "Moses Gunn Collective" release arrives and we've only ever seen one artist by that name, so there has to be some piece of data that really clearly indicates this is not that band. For you, as a human who knows the band, it's clear when you listen. Computers can't do that nearly as well. We do use some audio analysis to flag potential mismatches, but with 50k+ releases every week, it's hard to check all the ones that might be wrong. So we tend to check in popularity order, to try to catch the cases that will affect the most listeners...

glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 19:44 (yesterday) link

tl/dr: I hate Yo La Tengo

DJI, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 19:47 (yesterday) link

not sure this phenomenon hurts Yo La Tengo much. Would be more accurate to say "tldr: I hate Yo La Tengo listeners". and fair enough, spotify, fair enough.

it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 20:38 (yesterday) link

xxp Interesting, thx glenn

Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Thursday, 13 August 2020 04:04 (seven hours ago) link


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