Buying Vinyl?

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It seems the best option to buy online are german and british stores, they have almost every album in stock... I'm very impressed by the catalog of sites such as piccadily, boomkat, phonika and a-musik for example, problem is shipping is very expensive overseas.

Where do ya'll buy your vinyl records? Any recommendations for purchase within the states?

Moka, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 03:50 (fifteen years ago) link

HAY USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION MOKA

sharmuta (wilter), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 03:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Rolling 2008 Vinyl Thread

sharmuta (wilter), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 03:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Peeps in there are talking about the vinyls they're buying not their choice for a record store specifically. Cant deserve another thread perhops?

Moka, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 03:59 (fifteen years ago) link

there are many other vinyl threds champion.

sharmuta (wilter), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 04:04 (fifteen years ago) link

There's no online vinyl store thread.

Moka, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 04:26 (fifteen years ago) link

what genre

i buy indie vinyl in the US from tonevendor

Lovenasium (electricsound), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 04:28 (fifteen years ago) link

I've actually just ordered from tonevendor and it's great... do you use any other when tonevendor is out of stock?

Moka, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 05:13 (fifteen years ago) link

I can't tell any genre in particular. I buy Techno as I do Hip-hop or Indie, sometimes funk or tropicalia (for which I use dustygroove) other times just rock classics. I don't have a particular taste to be honest.

Moka, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 05:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I've only bought music online once in my life, everywhere else is in stores and whenever a craigslist-user is deciding to sell off stuff, which I'd recommend. Sure the selection online is waaaay superior, but hey it's still only half as fun.

Cars That Go Boom (mehlt), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 14:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Hope that is of use to you.

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 14:34 (fifteen years ago) link

there's insound too

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 14:35 (fifteen years ago) link

and Amazon is selling vinyl now too. Kind of strange, maybe.

Cars That Go Boom (mehlt), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 14:36 (fifteen years ago) link

i work for a vinyl record shop that does a small bit of mail order and our catalog is here:
academymailorder.blogspot.com

also fusetronsound.com
eclipse-records.com

ian, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 14:38 (fifteen years ago) link

and of course EBAY.

ian, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 14:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Hey Ian...

Which NY store is my best bet for picking up recent reissues? I'm after stuff like Milk n Cookies and Debris' Static Disposal

I'm there on holiday with my girlfriend for the weekend and want to pick up as much as I can before the pound finally crashes out and ends a long spell of cheap-o US mail order. Probably won't make it to more than one or two stores though. I'm hoping to get a quick look at The Thing, at least...

narlus spectre (gnarly sceptre), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Nevermind! I should have checked that Academy blog listing first. There's loads of stuff there I was after.

narlus spectre (gnarly sceptre), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 14:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Narlus - Do not miss Other Music at 15 East 4th St off Broadway.

Kublakhan61, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 15:17 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.auralexploits.com/

http://www.dustygrooves.com/

M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 15:24 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm after stuff like Milk n Cookies and Debris' Static Disposal

yeah Academy is your spot for that. there's a few locations, you want the one in Williamburg on N. 6th

one of Ian's co-workers put out that Milk n Cookies record I think

dmr, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 15:59 (fifteen years ago) link

How bout The Thing? Is it regularly topped up with new shit? I'm guessing there's a ton of crap, but enough good stuff scattered about to keep it interesting.

narlus spectre (gnarly sceptre), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 16:05 (fifteen years ago) link

I actually haven't been there. I think Jaxon went when he was in town

I think the general consensus is that if you have a lot of time to spend you can find good stuff but if you've only got an hour don't bother

dmr, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 16:13 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.weirdorecords.com/

and the always entertaining

http://www.anti-naturals.org/swill/maincat.htm (click on 'Reviews' for the lists)

nerve_pylon, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 16:37 (fifteen years ago) link

for reggae/dub cannot fuckin beat ERNIE B'S!!

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 16:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Gnarly! Dude! Come say hello.
I'll put aside copies of the Debris and Milk n Cookies LPs for you.
We are located at 96 North 6th Street in WILLIAMDBURG, BROOKLYN. Off the Bedford Avenue L train stop.

ian, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 16:59 (fifteen years ago) link

except it looks like we're out of the Debris record at the moment.

ian, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 17:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Insound and Amazon are terrible choices for vinyl. They have absolutely nothing in stock. I'll give it to Amazon, though, that the vinyl section is somewhat new which could explain the poor catalogue but in the meantime. The other choices Pfunkboy are excellent for rock and metal. Thanks.

http://www.forcedexposure.com/

Has anybody ordered from here? The site appears to have a very comprehensive catalogue in stock but somehow the site just seems very sketchy to me. Do they really have everything they say they do?

http://www.auralexploits.com/
http://www.dustygrooves.com/

I like dustygroove, been ordering from there for a while now. Auralexploits is a good choice, some great reissues and special editions to be found there once in a while but they run out of stock rather quickly.

i work for a vinyl record shop that does a small bit of mail order and our catalog is here:
academymailorder.blogspot.com

Wow, Ian I've been looking for Can's future days and they have it in there as well as some that have caught my attention. Do you ship to Canada and Mexico?

Moka, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link

I'll add turntablelab to the list. Good for downtempo, new disco, hip hop:

http://www.turntablelab.com/vinyl/

Moka, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:00 (fifteen years ago) link

dustygroove is okay for some stuff but I've really soured on them over the years - their selection can be really spotty, particularly when it comes to stuff I used to rely on them for (like jazz and Brazilian music). They always seem to have some crappy post-peak stuff in stock, but never the canonical works (for ex. check their Coltrane catalog)

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:03 (fifteen years ago) link

and the always entertaining

http://www.anti-naturals.org/swill/maincat.htm (click on 'Reviews' for the lists)

I swear I don't recognize any records listed on both sites you suggested but those surely are some entertaining reviews in there.

Moka, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Forced Exposure isn't sketchy, they've been around since the '80s

dmr, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Forced Exposure might not have everything they say they do, but they're very reliable and a quick email to check the stock is simple enough.

ian, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:10 (fifteen years ago) link

FE actually does distribution, don't they?
I've had a few items from orders not be in stock, but they're good about communication and letting you know if things are back.

mh, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Wicked. Thank you and sorry, it's just I found it suspicious that none of their items are marked as out of stock, I suppose they erase them from the catalogue when they dont have it. I'm mailing to doublecheck and ordering a couple from there.

Does anyone know a good place to find 'the Zombies' reissues? Are there any reissues at all? I haven't had any luck with these. My father is a crazy Zombies fan and I want to buy him anything I can find.

Moka, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:16 (fifteen years ago) link

There are no currently available Zombies reissues on LP.

ian, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:24 (fifteen years ago) link

and Amazon is selling vinyl now too. Kind of strange, maybe.

― Cars That Go Boom (mehlt), Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:36 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I highly doubt this url will work, but hell, even best buy is selling vinyl now

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcat17080&type=page&qp=ccat02001%23%23-1%23%23-1~~q70726f63657373696e6774696d653a3e313930302d30312d3031~~nf207%7C%7C56494e594c&list=y&nrp=15&sc=musicSP&ks=960&usc=cat02001&sp=&list=y&iht=n&st=processingtime%3A%3E1900-01-01

newbury comics' in-store vinyl section has gotten pretty big lately. not sure how their on-line service is, though.

http://www.newburycomics.com/rel/v2_home.php?storenr=103&deptnr=596

Edward III, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:35 (fifteen years ago) link

A Zombies "Odyssey and The Oracle" re-issue from a couple of years back is still floating around, I believe. The 2LP "Time of the Zombies" compilation is the easiest to find used Zombies record (check ebay)and it contains most everything a Zombies fan would want.

Romeo Jones, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:40 (fifteen years ago) link

when I was looking at new vinyl in newbury comics the other day I realized I went from buying records for $6-$8 to CDs for $10-$15 and now back to records for $18-$20.

Edward III, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:44 (fifteen years ago) link

There are no currently available Zombies reissues on LP.

I was expecting this, they should definitely do some sort of special reissue this year. After all 2008 marks the 50th Anniversary of Odessey and Oracle, am I wrong?

A Zombies "Odyssey and The Oracle" re-issue from a couple of years back is still floating around, I believe. The 2LP "Time of the Zombies" compilation is the easiest to find used Zombies record (check ebay)and it contains most everything a Zombies fan would want.

I'm still to find any trustworthy place to sell the odessey reissue. The 'time of the zombies' is in fact available on ebay and at a reasonable price, but damn that is an ugly cover. Did the people selling this actually listened to the zombies before doing the artwork?

Moka, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:50 (fifteen years ago) link

I was expecting this, they should definitely do some sort of special reissue this year. After all 2008 marks the 50th Anniversary of Odessey and Oracle, am I wrong?

It's actually the 40th anniversary, my bad.

Moka, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:55 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.mimaroglumusicsales.com/

great selection + service

rizzx, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:40 (fifteen years ago) link

I've bought a few LPs from Bullmoose and found them very fast, with cheap shipping to boot. Also when they sent an LP that turned out to be defective I emailed them about it and they just sent out another copy; I didn't have to return the bad copy.

eatandoph, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 22:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I would just recommend Ebay ... there are a ton of small indie stores that are on there. Some folks charge a bit extra to cover ebay and paypal fees, but you can sometimes contact these places directly and get cheaper off-ebay prices. And these mom-and-pop shops probably need your money more that Insound, Turntablelab, Forced Exposure etc. Or maybe you could just see if your local shop does special orders.

Romeo Jones, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 23:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Also, Discogs is great for dance music (especially out-of-print stuff).

I can't stand Gemm with their crappy layout and search function, and Musicstack is only slightly better.

Romeo Jones, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 23:36 (fifteen years ago) link

But I do use a lot of the other store/distro sites mentioned above for research purposes. It's great that so many of the big online stores write up reviews and post audioclips.

Romeo Jones, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 23:38 (fifteen years ago) link

I wasnt aware Discogs sold vinyls :S

Moka, Thursday, 18 September 2008 03:36 (fifteen years ago) link

discogs is the means with which independent sellers reach buyers.

ian, Thursday, 18 September 2008 03:42 (fifteen years ago) link

gemm is awful for usability but amidst the overpriced crap you can find some deals there sometimes

Edward III, Thursday, 18 September 2008 03:58 (fifteen years ago) link

budo jeru, I'm liking that Hennix quite a bit.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 02:33 (nine months ago) link

we are having kind of a joyous Hennix celebration across multiple threads at the moment!

budo jeru, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 02:39 (nine months ago) link

Yeah budo, thanks for the Hennix rec (you had me at "harpsichord-adjacent" lol). About 10 minutes into it and I'm flying.

Also awesome that you have the Walcha WTC box. Desert island material for me.

J. Sam, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 02:58 (nine months ago) link

i meant the Leonhardt box actually!

but i will definitely check out the Walcha recording

budo jeru, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 03:00 (nine months ago) link

Oh sorry. The Leonhardt is just as awesome! I also love the cover design on that box, really suits the dark gothic vibe of the music.

J. Sam, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 03:14 (nine months ago) link

I'm just gonna buy them both ;)

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 03:15 (nine months ago) link

and yes, old used classical vinyl is absolutely one of the best bangs for your buck in terms of value for money

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 03:16 (nine months ago) link

I'm just gonna buy them both ;)

This is the way.

Been meaning to get some Sibelius and that set looks lovely

J. Sam, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 04:03 (nine months ago) link

I also wonder if/when the general shoddiness of new pressings is going to catch up with them

my new vinyl buying has dwindled to a trickle (those prices!) but the few i do pick up have been surprisingly/happily free of issues bar the occasional bit of distortion (grrr the reissue of ptah the el daoud notably), def not as bad as some of the rubbish pressings i have from the 2010s era looking at you 4mwb.

re classical scores: my shelves are BULGING with cheap & amazing classical lps... will forever bless the day i lucked into a mint copy of this for the equivalent of about 5 us dollars!

no lime tangier, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 08:38 (nine months ago) link

I picked up this from a National Trust shop the other day, unplayed and sounds amazing and has a lovely booklet as part of the box set:
https://www.discogs.com/release/10359578-Klemperer-Wagner-The-Philharmonia-Orchestra-Klemperer-Conducts-Wagner

I remember NickB provided some tips about what to look out for when buying second-hand classical vinyl, I will try to look those out and re-post

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 09:57 (nine months ago) link

My main interest in classical vinyl is the 60s/70s avant stuff like Stockhausen and Xenakis, unfortunately the prices on those sets went through the roof years ago.

lord of the rongs (anagram), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 10:16 (nine months ago) link

This is definitely one of the tricks to still enjoying collecting records - find stuff the general public don't want lol. Classical records are so plentiful and cheap at pretty much every store. There are a bunch of genres like that, too. I collect local country/folk/country rock records from the 70s and yeah there are the whales that command some money but so much is available for under $10. Many of them are miserable but sifting through is part of the whole thing, really.

fasmackhead, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 15:08 (nine months ago) link

xp no lime tangier, that Messiaen box looks incredible. I had no idea he recorded his own organ works! I'll have to track that down at some point, though I'm sure I'll have to pay a bit more than $5...

J. Sam, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 23:44 (nine months ago) link

Another recent classical vinyl epiphany: Quartetto Italiano's 1965 recording of Debussy and Ravel's String Quartets on Philips (early Netherlands pressing). They're best versions I've heard of those magical quartets with surprisingly great fidelity for 1965; the recording sounds like it could have been made yesterday.

J. Sam, Thursday, 23 November 2023 00:00 (nine months ago) link

My main interest in classical vinyl is the 60s/70s avant stuff like Stockhausen and Xenakis, unfortunately the prices on those sets went through the roof years ago.

― lord of the rongs (anagram), Wednesday, November 22, 2023 4:16 AM (thirteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's been my experience that a lot of this can still be had for under $10!

budo jeru, Thursday, 23 November 2023 00:05 (nine months ago) link

xp*They're the best, that is

J. Sam, Thursday, 23 November 2023 00:07 (nine months ago) link

xp budo jeru Yeah I feel like almost every record store I've visited recently has a copy of this pressing of Xenakis's Metastasis / Pithoprakta / Eonta for under $10. But it's true the rarer Stockhausen, Xenakis, et al. pressings can be outrageously expensive.

I actually have had my eyes on a nice $45 copy of Stockhausen's Hymnen (mid-70s Deutsche Grammophon reissue) at a local shop for a while, but every time I go I find something cheaper that excites me even more.

J. Sam, Thursday, 23 November 2023 00:15 (nine months ago) link

nine months pass...

Someone has bought the entire 'Voice Of America' vinyl collection, 88,000 records.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnR9Bsm8aA8

Maresn3st, Monday, 26 August 2024 17:39 (two weeks ago) link

Oh, god, the flips at about 6:45 and again at 23:15. So many Blue Note records I would die for.

It sounds like the buyer isn't really a jazz record guy at all.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Monday, 26 August 2024 18:16 (two weeks ago) link

(Posted 20, supposed to have been smaller...not sure what happened.)

clemenza, Monday, 26 August 2024 20:38 (two weeks ago) link

if you're into 20s/30s jazz reissue LPs you'll be scoring everywhere!

encino morricone (majorairbro), Tuesday, 27 August 2024 00:21 (two weeks ago) link

It doesn't seem to be especially valued on the secondary market, does it? (Because the original stuff is all on 78s?) I love buying albums like that.

clemenza, Tuesday, 27 August 2024 00:29 (two weeks ago) link

yeah the truest believers want 78s, and general Jazz fans want CD. 1950s era and later jazz fans are obviously into original LP pressings, but I wonder how long that will last. There's much more interest in fusion and Japanese stuff, obscure jazz etc in the jazz world these days. Its actually fun to collect stuff that isn't particularly valued!

encino morricone (majorairbro), Tuesday, 27 August 2024 00:43 (two weeks ago) link

not quite on the same scale as the voa collection sale, but a few years back i ended up with a whole bunch of mid-20th century modern classical/electronic lps that turned out to have originally come from the library service of this outfit. strange to think of john cage et al being used as cold war propaganda warriors!

no lime tangier, Tuesday, 27 August 2024 08:33 (two weeks ago) link

i just saw this posted on /r/vinyl, from someone excited about their $90 score. i feel like my already-broken perception of the vinyl economy is even more shattered now.

https://i.imgur.com/9vt9gBj.png

omar little, Tuesday, 27 August 2024 22:08 (two weeks ago) link

tbf Sneakin Sally is def a $15 record these days, but the rest of those should be 5 tops

pink-haired Marxist (sleeve), Tuesday, 27 August 2024 22:15 (two weeks ago) link

"I picked these up from a private seller I found on fb marketplace while on vacation. Nothing rare or any ridiculous steals to brag about here, just an unglamorous, totally solid stack for $90. His records were alphabetized, came with play notes and visual grades, and all were very conservatively graded. One record that he graded ‘G’ was equivalent to several discogs ‘VG+’ I’ve gotten from sellers there."

Baffling mindset - not seemingly interested in either the music or collectability.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 27 August 2024 22:55 (two weeks ago) link

Maybe it was assumed that since he bought them, their desirability (to him) is assumed?

dentist looking too comfortable singing the blues (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 27 August 2024 23:16 (two weeks ago) link

what are play notes?

maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 27 August 2024 23:19 (two weeks ago) link

Also I will buy every copy of Sly, Joan, Janis, and Stevie you can find me for five bucks! All fetch $15+ where I live (tho the condition of the jackets might downgrade them from there)

dentist looking too comfortable singing the blues (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 27 August 2024 23:19 (two weeks ago) link

that's Buddy Miles, not Janis!

i mean i do *know* it's possible this pile could go for $90 but damn

omar little, Tuesday, 27 August 2024 23:24 (two weeks ago) link

Play notes are just included details like "Several pops between tracks 1 & 2 of Side 2" and so on.

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 27 August 2024 23:30 (two weeks ago) link

One record that he graded ‘G’ was equivalent to several discogs ‘VG+’ I’ve gotten

so in other words: G

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 28 August 2024 01:44 (two weeks ago) link

truth

Cognosc in Tyrol (emsworth), Wednesday, 28 August 2024 03:49 (two weeks ago) link

Oh shit, it is Buddy Miles! I’ll buy that for $5 too.

dentist looking too comfortable singing the blues (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 28 August 2024 05:01 (two weeks ago) link

i just did a quick dig of what $35 bought me back about 13 years ago, which i don't even think was market rate at that point, but that's a special record store that i hope still exists.

https://i.imgur.com/f8FvhTd.jpeg

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 28 August 2024 05:20 (two weeks ago) link

All Things Must Pass + Scary Monsters in nice shape would be about $100 for just those two these days.

encino morricone (majorairbro), Wednesday, 28 August 2024 05:55 (two weeks ago) link

I just popped out of a record store in NE VT. New owners all of two days and were super friendly. Unfortunately, I don’t see there business lasting all that long if the G- or worse disco/dance singles bin is all priced at $10.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 1 September 2024 17:30 (one week ago) link

shoutout to ILX user Born Under A Bad Sine aka jack battery-pack, we spent the day yesterday hitting all the local stores. It turned out to be the 5th anniversary of the Springfield branch of Little Axe, Warren had like 1000 LPs and 45s out on the street for free. speaking of good deals... I got a nice stack of 45s and a Sergio Mendes LP.

pink-haired Marxist (sleeve), Sunday, 1 September 2024 17:34 (one week ago) link

Picked up an “LN” rated copy, according to the price sticker, of “Bayou Country” by CCR at my local record store’s Labor Day weekend sale. It seemed reasonably priced at $25. I guess LN stands for Like New. They don’t seem to do NM at this place. It’s got some years on it, but it’s a nice clean copy.

o. nate, Sunday, 1 September 2024 22:05 (one week ago) link

Bought another 20 old jazz LPs, 2/5$, at the same Woodstock store as above, including a radio broadast from the early '40s of bandleader Ozzie Nelson and his vocalist Harriet Hilliard.

https://i.postimg.cc/76xDc8K4/34.jpg

clemenza, Sunday, 1 September 2024 22:31 (one week ago) link

Been looking for some decent vinyl collecting podcasts recently and have found that 'The Vinyl Guide' is a good time, interview-based, mostly talking to musicians about their tastes, habits and collections.

Maresn3st, Monday, 2 September 2024 13:13 (one week ago) link

Been looking for some decent vinyl collecting podcasts recently and have found that 'The Vinyl Guide' is a good time, interview-based, mostly talking to musicians about their tastes, habits and collections.

Maresn3st, Monday, 2 September 2024 13:13 (one week ago) link

https://popsike.io/pix/20210427/393272444121.jpg

bayou country has one of my favorite hype stickers

encino morricone (majorairbro), Tuesday, 3 September 2024 05:56 (one week ago) link

My copy has that sticker.

o. nate, Tuesday, 3 September 2024 15:06 (one week ago) link

it's a very cool sticker

budo jeru, Tuesday, 3 September 2024 15:13 (one week ago) link

Been looking for some decent vinyl collecting podcasts recently and have found that 'The Vinyl Guide' is a good time, interview-based, mostly talking to musicians about their tastes, habits and collections.

― Maresn3st, Monday, September 2, 2024 8:13 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

i was about to recommend the We Buy Records podcast before realizing that you were the one who made me aware of it!

budo jeru, Tuesday, 3 September 2024 15:13 (one week ago) link

Great score this weekend, a nice copy of Muswell Hillbillies, which I bought without any knowledge of the pressing. It’s the Pickwick pressing and it sounds much better than the digital files I had before. Treble is much clearer and louder.

o. nate, Sunday, 8 September 2024 21:17 (five days ago) link


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