drive like jehu - yank crime: classic or dud?

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seriously. it's deadly, innit?

dudley, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I remember liking the first one better, but it's been years since I listened to either.

I saw them live in 1994 though. They were fantastic.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

First one is better, but yeah, classic. John Reis choosing Rocket From The Crypt over Jehu is one of the most lamentable decisions in rock history.

RickyT, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'd actually rank Yank Crime over the first one. Fierce!

paul, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Both pretty damn good, but Yank Crime for me as well. One of the few records I could say 'seethes,' and mean it.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

second or third loudest show i've ever seen. fiercest rock band of the 90s, with few honest opponents.

jess, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Oh man, don't get me started! Classic, classic, classic.

Yank Crime is easily one of the best albums of the '90s. I like some of the individual songs on their debut better, but as an overall work Yank Crime is damn near perfect. Eight years after it came out I'm still discovering new facets to its music.

I'm actually glad Reis picked Rocket From the Crypt over Drive Like Jehu--anything else Jehu produced would have been a let-down after Yank Crime...

Diego Hadis, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

(as i believe i've stated before, the other two were mbv and probably swans.) (both ironically on their last tours.)

jess, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I think The Hot Snakes' Automatic Midnight is just as good as Yank Crime. Of course both of those records are brilliant.

Yancey, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Gotta second Jess when it came to live show love -- in fact, I guess I saw all three of those bands on their last tours! OUT OF MY SKULL! (But such good taste you have, you do. :-))

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I like the first one a lot, and Yank Crime very little. I played it over and over and over and over and over when I got it, to see the greatness in it (cuz most things I read aboot DLJ focus on how great Yank Crime is), but it just does nothing for me. I guess I'm just not cut out for the emo.

Vic Funk, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

taking sides, emo vs. prog.

(progmo.)

jess, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

what do Drive Like Jehu fans think of Rocket from The Crypt? I really liked the early Rocket stuff esp. Circa: Now!, and honestly kinda wrote off Drive Like Jehu as math-rock fugazi-style stuff without really listening to them... Did you guys write off Rocket as a dumbed- down version of Jehu?

And, in true ILM style, who is right?

fritz, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Am I the voice in the wilderness, or is Pitchfork preferable to both those bands? I think so.

Andy, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Pitchfork was all right and all, I guess. I like both Rocket and DLJ equally well, they're just different bands.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Yes, Dudley, Yank Crime is seriously deadly. And yes, John Reis choosing Rocket From The Shtick is criminal. But from all sides, Yank Crime broke the band psychologically. It was a bitch to write, assemble, and record from everyone involved. But the results are indeed seething.

The first album is not better. the recording for one, is paper thin (and not just because of the colored vinyl, I have a black vinyl copy as well which is equally thin). A real tragedy due to the ferocity of the band's sound at the time. Secondly, the first album is not half as well-sequenced and as powerful and has not held up as well as Yank Crime. Yank Crime is much more subtle (despite the bombastic) and crafted.

Automatic Midnight is pure John music-wise, Rick played no guitar nor had any hand in the song-writing, thus not as good as Yank Crime (nor the debut).

Livewise, I saw Drive Like Jehu quite a bit at the Che, the Casbah, World Beat Center, the record release party at Lou's, saw them twice in one night in LA (opening for Pavement at the Palace, saw Pavement three times that day... kill me).

DLJ is far removed from emo (let's say fundamentalist emo). Definitely post-emo, definitely prog (at least as prog as Don Caballero or June of 44).

I think RFTC had were an excellent live/singles band for their first few years. I saw them live a couple times in the past 7 years and was not into it at all. I saw Hot Snakes and was very into it, in comparison.

Pitchfork: great single, hints at what was to come.

http://gygax.pitas.com, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

also, not to be one of those (and there are way too many of them round these parts) "Hey, look at my record collection/size of my penis" but for you vinylophiles are really missing out on the LP version of Yank Crime (w/ the handmade red cover) which is the full LP in sequence and NOT the version that includes the "New Math" b/w "New Intro" 7" which I thought was somebody's (initials: John Reis) really poor decision to put out.

http://gygax.pitas.com, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I have a black vinyl copy as well which is equally thin

My copy is on black vinyl with enclosed lyric sheet, and it sounds way better (despite being somewhat warped) than the CD version with nothing on the inside but "CDs really fucking blow" on the disc. I heard the CD first (and lots) and the vinyl hardly sounds "thin" in comparison.

Funk, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Yank Crime is pretty much what I wish emo was. The only songs I like on it are "Human Interest" and "Rome Plows" though. I like the Hot Snakes record too -- it sounds just like the Wipers. How is "Drive Like Jehu" pronounced? I heard some guy say it like "Yayhoo" and it didn't sound right.

Kris, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The Sultans record is the one I play the most!

BTW, Pitchfork had a proper (albeit posthumous) album that was great... "Burn Pigs Burn", etc. I saw them with Fugazi at Gilman St. a couple of times, a brilliant band.

Andy, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

well i for one say 'jay-hoo' i think the intro to 'do you compute' is one of the most beautiful things ive ever heard on a rock record. the chords that are formed by the different guitar tracks are wonderful

Ron, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I think it is "jay-hoo". Pretty sure its a reference to the old Sega arcade game Outrun. Announcer says to "drive like jehu!" or something, and he said it all "jay-hoo"-like, if memory serves.

original bgm, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

A flat-out ridiculous album... I love it. Isn't it getting kind of hard to find these days?

Clarke B., Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

see, it's an odd thing interscope hold the cd rights for yank crime, and obviously have no interest whatsover in repressing it (it wouldn't make them enough money to be bothered with), whereas cargo hold the vinyl rights of the jehu lp's and are constantly reissuing them. interestingly, and gossipy of me, speedo told me last week that they haven't seen a penny from cargo in years, they've been completely ripped off. all the more shitty when you think cargo still sell quite a lot of jehu stock. for shame.

speedo pronounced it 'jayhoo', but i can't bring myself to say it any other way then 'jeh hoo'

yummy

dudley, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Yank Crime = wonderful. Pitchfork = some good songs that don't quite reach Jehu heights, some mediocre songs and bad (metal) drum production. Good stuff, but DLJ does the same thing so much better. I'm hoping there's double guitar action on this new Hot Snakes LP. The Rick Fork element is really lacking on the last one. If Interscope have US CD rights for Yank Crime, does Elemental/Workers Playtime/AT still have European rights? Does Elemental still exist?

Joss, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Cargo = notorious assholes who don't pay their artists. See the Chunklet asshole issue for more info.

Yancey, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
the prog here as stated elsewhere = "new intro" into "new math" the glacialness reprised 100x faster... stuttering time signature in the intro and chorus. waltz into 7/8s...

gygax!, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 18:52 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I think it is "jay-hoo". Pretty sure its a reference to the old Sega arcade game Outrun. Announcer says to "drive like jehu!" or something, and he said it all "jay-hoo"-like, if memory serves.

The name comes, I think, from Jehu in the bible who was a really crazy carriage driver--drove all fast and the like.

I haven't even heard Yank Crime--it's pretty tough to find around here, and whenever I try to mail order it there's no luck. But the sound quality on my (black vinyl) copy of the first one isn't bad at all.

ian j., Wednesday, 13 November 2002 18:58 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

There's some sort of Jehu thing being reissued. Dunno what, but Vagrant's doing it. Got an email yesterday saying it was on its way to me. I'm curious and excited.

Yancey (ystrickler), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 19:02 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Vagrant doing Jehu reissues?

OH HOW THE MIGHTY HAVE FALLEN :(

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 19:04 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The name comes, I think, from Jehu in the bible who was a really crazy carriage driver--drove all fast and the like.

Well, yeah. But I think the actual phrase "Drive like Jehu" is said in Outrun and this is where the band got its name.

original bgm, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 19:09 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but Rocket from the Crypt are on Vagrant now, so a DLJ reissue there isn't surprising.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 19:19 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

There's something about the Yank Crime reissue on the Swami Site...

gygax!, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 19:27 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Swami would make even more sense! (And I'm on the Rocket/DLJ list too -- somebody announced it a while back but I forget which label was doing the honors.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 19:31 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Maybe it is Swami, but the Vagrant publicist emailed me about it.

Yancey (ystrickler), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 19:52 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

It's coming out on Swami, and with the Merge 7" tacked onto the end, just like the Japanese edition had the first time around.

^Diego^ (dhadis), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 19:57 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

taking sides: "Sinews" off of Head Start To Purgatory (the demo version) vs. "Sinews" off Yank Crime?

the lack of compression on the demo version sounds better to me.

gygax!, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 20:03 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Hmm, tough call. I like the distorted guitar tone on the "Sinews" on YC, but I sometimes prefer how different the other version sounds.

^Diego^ (dhadis), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 20:40 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

okay, update from Swami:

yank crime + "bullet train to vegas"/"hand over fist" + "sinews"(demo)

also:
pitchfork eucalyptus + satan's outhouse EP

no dates yet...

gygax!, Thursday, 14 November 2002 18:12 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

oooo pitchfork! Is that album worth picking up?

original bgm, Thursday, 14 November 2002 18:17 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"burn pigs burn" and the EP are pretty nice...

gygax!, Thursday, 14 November 2002 18:21 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

http://www.swamirecords.com/yank_crime_ad.gif

gygax!, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 06:57 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Fuck yes. It's like Christmas coming early (and/or late, depending on when the Pitchfork album is being rereleased). Everything Rick Froberg does = varying degrees of Classic.

Nick Mirov (nick), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 07:28 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

they switched up the bonus tracks on the sleeve:
song 10 is "hand over fist"
song 11 is "bullet train to vega$"

the remaster is clean, they really brought rick's guitar up in the mix...

gygax!, Thursday, 21 November 2002 19:40 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

They completely stroked the remaster for the current audience - the original mix is much subtler. S/T dominates Yank Crime, Eucalyptus over S/T. "Production", gygax? I assumed you were named after Pitchblende rather than the inventor of Dungeons And Dragons. Rick slays in every line on the S/T - Yank Crime is overlong in every sense, and he's not as explosive with the deliveries. Obv. a matter of taste. There's nothing to add to Eucalyptus / Saturn Outhouse, is there? You can still find copies of the Nemesis CD floating around US distros.

Chris Ott, Thursday, 21 November 2002 20:47 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

They completely stroked the remaster for the current audience - the original mix is much subtler.

i think rick's guitar is too low on the original mix and lacked that "sparkly chime" that is the pride of all telecaster owners. I also think the rhythm section got kinda muddy in the original mix, compare minute 6 of "luau" for example: the bass and bassdrum are more jumpy and live sounding in the remaster.

"Production", gygax? I assumed you were named after Pitchblende rather than the inventor of Dungeons And Dragons.

maybe? @_@ it's one of my favorite records.

Rick slays in every line on the S/T - Yank Crime is overlong in every sense, and he's not as explosive with the deliveries. Obv. a matter of taste.

I totally disagree, "rome plows"/"new math" vox (esp. deliveries) are to my ears well beyond anything on the s/t.

gygax!, Thursday, 21 November 2002 21:03 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

compare minute 6 of "luau" for example: the bass and bassdrum are more jumpy and live sounding in the remaster.

Very similar to what Matador did to S&E - lots more low-end on the kick and tons more midrange. It's not like they're turning it into a Korn record, but my fondness for the muddier, truly-indie mid-90s sound is probably distorting my take on things. If they'd had access to better technology, etc.

I totally disagree, "rome plows"/"new math" vox (esp. deliveries) are to my ears well beyond anything on the s/t.

Bottom line: "Bullet Train To Vega$" is the best song released under the Jehu banner?

Chris Ott, Thursday, 21 November 2002 21:08 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i don't think so; however, it was a much-appreciated inclusion on the hot snakes setlists on their 3rd (most-recent) tour.

my favorite song is "new math"... this is subject to change though.

gygax!, Thursday, 21 November 2002 21:13 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
I was gonna post a new thread, but found this. God, it's a great album-just listening to the reissue. With the release of that and the Pavement 2cd, I'm actually starting to feel really old.

How about a huge Truman's water retrospective set?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 13:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

That would take about eight discs. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 14:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Um, I'll get back to you guys on the Trumans oddities retrospective... (Needless to say... IT NEEDS TO BE DONE BADLY!)

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 18:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

hey db, i haven't been able to find that bbc session disc that i've been looking (not very hard) for...

is it from the of thick tum, soar..., or godspeed era?

gygax!, Wednesday, 15 January 2003 19:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Well, Trumans have been performing "Godspeed the Punchline" songs since the "Of Thick Tum" days, so it's all kinda confusing to say which era with respect to album.

The Peel sessions disc is essential though.. it contians three sessions.. One session with Glen, Kevin, Kirk, and Eli from 1993. Second one with Glen, Kevin, Kirk, Eli, and Mike from 1994. Then Kevin B., Kirk, and Kevin C. from late 1994. So I guess "Spasm Smash", post "Punchline", and "Milktrain" eras respectively I guess.

They all sound friggin' amazing.... I still see that disc occasionally go used for $3.. keep lookin'!

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 19:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

that's crazy, okay here's something superduper weird...

i work with a guy who sang lead in eli(jah)'s pre-/post-TW band cactopus... i saw them in santa barbara in the early 90s and even 10 years later recognized him. very strange indeedy.

i miss glen's rocking days. i saw him at a berkeley church in september.

gygax!, Wednesday, 15 January 2003 19:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

One of the only things I can really brag about, as far as witnessing live shows, is having seen the Glen era Trumans Water about a dozen times. I'm really glad I made the effort.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 21:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Um, I'll get back to you guys on the Trumans oddities retrospective...

When I read this I couldn't help but think "isn't everything that Trumans Water has done pretty much an oddity?"

Nick Mirov (nick), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 21:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Well, given the death of Homestead and now Elemental(?), now it is. :(

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 22:15 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I saw Glen-model TW here in London a while back (just the once) and it was stunning. I think it was the garage, they were jumping about from one side of the stage to the other and they sounded amazing. I really don't see shows like that too often now. *sob*

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 22:21 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

not my first but one of the best glen-era trumans water shows was at the troubador in LA (their first la show) and they ALMOST cleared out the club within 5 minutes, the heavy industry scene was not expecting such klang und klamor.

gygax!, Wednesday, 15 January 2003 22:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

aaah, but that was what they were made for. I still sleep in my Godspeed The Punchline t-shirt. John Peel understands.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 22:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...
nordic, is your t-shirt maroon? if so, i am scared.

speaking of t-shirts... swami has drive like jehu shirts (scroll down) with the "artwork" from the first lp (printed on american apparel brand t-shirts). emo guilt has run its course, it's time to get down and boogie.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Automatic Midnight is better. don't you guys find Yank Crime a bit draggy in parts?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

HERESY

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

nah, your attention span is too short anthony.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Jehu died for somebody's sins but not mine

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

nah, your attention span is too short anthony.

that's what my friend Ned (not Raggett) says about my inability to appreciate Yngwie Malmsteen.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Thou shalt have no other Neds but me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

dude he's been trying to contact you on Friendster. He's also been yelling "DEATH TO FALSE NEDS!" a lot so watch out.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I will be the judge of False Neds (and I have had no other Ned contact me through Friendster, so I dunno).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i just bought me a shirt in black. thanx g.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:51 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yeah he says the server is always fucked when he tries to read your profile and all, Ned. I'd want to say that all Neds are into Muslimgauze but I doubt Flanders would approve.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:52 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There is always hope. Hm, Jehu T-shirts, that's a fine idea...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

jehu's greaaaaaat.

Ian Johnson (orion), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 07:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yes they are.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 18:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

six months pass...
Costa Mesa!

AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 03:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

been listening to yank a lot as of lately....wanted to revive this

gman, Thursday, 27 March 2008 05:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

Been listening to them a lot lately myself.

Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 27 March 2008 19:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

Seems a little unfocused to me compared to the songwriting on Hot Snakes records, but I've only listened a few times.

libcrypt, Thursday, 27 March 2008 19:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

seven years pass...

this shit goes hard

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 August 2015 19:03 (three years ago) Permalink

kind of annoyed they're playing here next month but as part of the dreaded riot fest

tylerw, Thursday, 6 August 2015 19:06 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm sure the festival circuit means they are getting paid better but it does seem a little odd they are skipping a club tour to play to sub-100 people crowds (according to reports) at Coachella et al.

Fun fact: I have never really listened to this band! Which is weird cuz some people I'm close to would consider them to be a life-changer.

I don't hate them or anything, I've just never gotten around to them.

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 6 August 2015 19:41 (three years ago) Permalink

ha yeah, i'd say they might be slightly overrated by now (inevitable when you're a band lauded mostly on the merits of just one album). but they are definitely great. glad they are getting a payday via the festival circuit...

tylerw, Thursday, 6 August 2015 19:51 (three years ago) Permalink

Impossible to overrate imo.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:55 (three years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

do u compute

mookieproof, Thursday, 6 December 2018 01:36 (six days ago) Permalink


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