Van Morrison's Astral Weeks: Classic or Dud

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A "mystical document" or messy and tedious? It has enormous sentimental value for me, so I really can't see it very clearly. What do you think?

Prude, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

And what about that Lester Bangs essay, anyway?

Prude, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Classic for Richard Davis and Connie Kay.

Jordan, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

absolute classic; a work of wonder and genius.

Sean, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Classic - the one time Van Morrison in mystic mode betters Van Morrison in R&B mode.

J Blount, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

And yeah Bangs' "Stranded" essay is pretty great too, especially as you can use it to debunk every negative cliche about Bangs.

J Blount, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

classic.

Baxter Wingnut, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

try using aw to debunk the neg cliches abt vm, tho...

mark s, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

too true - most people I know think Astral Weeks is where Van Morrison lost it.

J Blount, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Um... I like the first track, and I love The Way Young Lovers Do, but to be honest I can't really remember the rest of it except that it's quite dull and boring and long and I never quite understood why it was so critically adored. But I don't really like anything Van Morrison's done to be honest.

So Dud, if only for me.

Nick Southall, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Classic, if a little less classic than is generally said and not very exciting.

Martin Skidmore, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

most brits don't like van, which I don't get but astral weeks is flavorful and rich, not to be taken lightly. I know Forced Exposure (magazine) a long time back roasted it as being the worst of the hippie records or something like that. But Veedon Fleece or St. Dominic's Preview are really the masterpieces in my estimation, if not Hard Nose on the Highway (!)

Steve K, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

absolute classic...astral weeks is one of those albums that,whenever i hear it being dismissed on the usual grounds (mystical hippy bullshit,etc) i cannot help but assume that this opinion is an affectation,or formed before hearing the record,and thus used to justify never actually listening to it... to be fair,though, i probably just think that cause my favourite songs on it are the two most over the top mystical hippy bullshit tracks on it,ie madame george and ballerina...

robin, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
this is the only album that was k-important to me not so long ago (5 yrs?) where my opinion has actually lowered a fair bit. sometimes the jazz guys playing in back of van just seem to be noodling around in the absence of any direction. maybe that's what makes the bass so salient (so many people call out richard davis's contribution)?

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 05:21 (twenty years ago) link

Hm maybe I spoke a little too soon. Listening to it now, it sounds pretty great. Especially when Van strangles up his voice in his patented way. Yeah OK, sorry for doubting.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 05:35 (twenty years ago) link

I quite like it, I've decided (after owning it for about three years), though I can understand why a lot of people wouldn't. I've always been surprised it's such a canonical favorite, though, especially over VM's later, more accessible records.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 06:19 (twenty years ago) link

Classic, although I prefer Them, Moondance, St Dominic's Preview and Veedon Fleece.

I always get this slightly uneasy feeling that the drums aren't in sync with the rest of the band during Madame George.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 07:07 (twenty years ago) link

three years pass...
revive, cause it's the shortest thread about a masterpiece classic here in ILM.

Zeno, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 23:59 (seventeen years ago) link

there is a rich and storied history of ILM dissing this particular sacred cow, though this particular thread, oddly, doesn't seem to support that... i suspect mark s.'s indifference has a lot to do with; but it still MYSTIFIES me. I fucking love Astral Weeks.

wanko ergo sum, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 00:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I prefer Veedon Fleece.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I only listen to about half the album, don't care for some tracks. Still, those four or five tracks are some of my favorite songs when I'm in the mood for them.

Cunga, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I agree with the above post. Beside You and Madame George are rough going for me, but the rest, particularly the title track are immortals. Best version of Cyprus Avenue can be found on the live It's Too Late To Stop Now.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I probably haven't lived with it long enough, but I read Bangs' essay years before I heard the album; of course, I came away disappointed. The wall of consensus leads me to believe I'll "get it" one of these days, though.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Congratulations to everybody who doesn't "get it"!

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know what that means.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Well I was ironically suggesting that anybody who doesn't love Astral Weeks be higher than a motherfucker.

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Got it.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:51 (seventeen years ago) link

i loved the record for years before i read anything at all about it, including bangs' piece in 'stranded.'

i've waxed and waned a bit in my enthusiasm -- lately it sounds a bit overbaked in parts. but it's been one of my all-time favorites for 25 years, and i doubt it'll fall off my top 20 any time soon.

jay berliner plays guitar on both 'astral weeks' and 'black saint and the sinner lady,' how rad is that?

Mike McGooney-gal, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 02:09 (seventeen years ago) link

i sold this CD version of this album during a purge, then later (only recently) re-bought on LP. I'm not sure i've listened to it once since i re-bought it, but it felt inappropriate not to own it. i've mentioned on other threads my personal astral weeks story.

ian, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 02:35 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

Great article about Astral Weeks, one of the best pieces of music writing I've read in a while and the best description of this record I've ever seen:

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Style/242565/

He mentions that Morrison's performing Astral Weeks live in LA tonight and tomorrow with Richard Davis and Jay Berliner. How could they possibly recreate an experience this singular? I sure wish I was going to be there to find out. Anyone going?

dad a, Thursday, 6 November 2008 15:37 (fifteen years ago) link

"enigmatic Irish wizard"

"Slow Slim Rider"

Anyone who can't even get the fucking song titles right shouldn't be trusted.

Lester Bangs' piece pisses all over this and all other non-factual/documentary writings on the same topic.

The answer is NOT Volkswagen (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 6 November 2008 15:42 (fifteen years ago) link

enigmatic Irish wizard = permanently grumpy Ulsterman

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 November 2008 15:49 (fifteen years ago) link

interview (via email?) with van the man about the performance this weekend ... http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2008/10/van-morrisons-f.html
VAN USES EMOTICONS? wow. :D
anyhoo, one of my top 10 records for sure. Not a bad moment on it. Risky, beautiful and nothing else in the world sounds like it.

tylerw, Thursday, 6 November 2008 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link

The author on the link (xpost) seems amazed somewhat that the musicians had no chord sheets to follow. Aside from Young Lovers, pretty much everything on AW is a 2 or 3 chord jam. The kind of thing most jazzers could follow in their sleep.

As for his take on Madam George, well, I'd always imagined that was about a teenage boy's visit to a prostitute. It makes sense to me like that, anyway.

Dr X O'Skeleton, Thursday, 6 November 2008 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link

I can't get excited about Van performing AW live today. His voice is nothing like it used to be, and I really doubt he could do it justice.
I WOULD get excited if they came out with a remastered deluxe version of the original, with all the extra jamming.

Jazzbo, Thursday, 6 November 2008 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link

I read in Mojo years ago that there was a whole 25 minutes of extreme free improv chopped off the end of "Slim Slow Slider." You can maybe see why it was edited out but it would be interesting to have the full take as a bonus track.

The answer is NOT Volkswagen (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 6 November 2008 16:01 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, i can't imagine that the live re-creation of the record will be that amazing. i actually think van is enjoyable in his latter-day period (though i certainly haven't heard all of his recent albums), but he's not anywhere near the adventurous vocalist he was in 68. might be a pleasant concert, but nothing incredible.
but yeah, for real, i would love a deluxe treatment of astral weeks, just to eavesdrop on those sessions.

tylerw, Thursday, 6 November 2008 16:02 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah i read that too -- that the "free" thing that closes out the album briefly just went on and on in the studio. would be verrrrry interesting to hear. it's perfect on the record, but i'd still just like more Astral Weeks music ...

tylerw, Thursday, 6 November 2008 16:03 (fifteen years ago) link

I was tempted to read that piece but there's some bad undergrad poetry going on there:

"It is a festival of anguish, a wild and lonely ritual conducted on a dirt crossroads at midnight under a baleful bone-faced moon."

Dorianlynskey, Thursday, 6 November 2008 16:07 (fifteen years ago) link

I hope Laura Barton sues.

Stevie T, Thursday, 6 November 2008 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link

I hate this album and I've been exposed to it way too often by people who just presume, because I'm "Into" music that I'll become all dewey-eyed and joyful upon hearing it. T be honest, I'm not a big Van Morrison fan although I like Them and that thing with The Chieftains was decent enough.

Sven Hassel Schmuck, Thursday, 6 November 2008 16:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I read in Mojo years ago that there was a whole 25 minutes of extreme free improv chopped off the end of "Slim Slow Slider."
Yup, but where is it? Did they keep it or was the tape destroyed? If it really exists, it's hard to believe it's not available somewhere in the blogosphere. Damned if I can find it.

Jazzbo, Thursday, 6 November 2008 16:22 (fifteen years ago) link

John Payne to thread...

The answer is NOT Volkswagen (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 6 November 2008 16:46 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm going to the la show tomorrow

cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 6 November 2008 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link

I'll post about it

cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 6 November 2008 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Great review:)
Astral Weeks (1968)
- With the chance to make his own record, Morrison came up with this, basically soft rock recorded with jazz musicians (including the Modern Jazz Quartet's Connie Kay on drums). Which might sound not too different from what Simon & Garfunkel were doing at the time, but where Simon's work is carefully composed, arranged and produced, Morrison relies on sponaneity. The liner notes brag that Morrison cut the album in two days, and you know, it sounds like it: the lyrics are stream of consciousness, and usually the tunes seesaw endlessly between two or three chords. The musicians sound like they don't know what he's getting at, and the fact that most of the songs have no clear melody doesn't help. Morrison's fans often cite this as their favorite album, because there aren't a lot of distractions from his distinctive, half-spoken vocals. But if you're just getting into him, you're probably better off with Moondance -- unless you're a fan of New Age music. (DBW)

http://www.warr.org/vanmorrison.html#AstralWeeks

Jazzbo, Thursday, 6 November 2008 17:01 (fifteen years ago) link

i love this album so much.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 6 November 2008 17:05 (fifteen years ago) link

It's my favorite and probably most-listened to album.

Followed by Pet Sounds and Corky's Debt to His Father.

dan selzer, Thursday, 6 November 2008 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Ha, I was just pondering whether to download "Corky's Debt to His Father" or not, and Dan's just persuaded me to do so!

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 November 2008 17:13 (fifteen years ago) link

It's fantastic.

dan selzer, Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:00 (fifteen years ago) link

I guess reading the Greil Marcus book on Van Morrison depends on how much you like or can deal with Marcus's methods

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/books/review/Gerstenzang-t.html?_r=0

“When That Rough God Goes Riding” is more a series of nonfiction short stories than a straightforward analysis. Marcus devotes virtually every chapter to a wide-ranging discussion of a Morrison album, song or live performance. Fittingly, just as the singer peppers his songs with eclectic allusions to Muddy Waters and William Blake, Marcus, too, brings in endless cultural signifiers, the better for us to understand the music. This means comparing Morrison’s version of Bob Dylan’s “It’s All Over Now, Baby Blue” to Raymond Chandler’s writing: “It begins like the first page of a detective novel, with three clipped, odd bass patterns, like a knock on the door, but with an odd fatalism.” Throughout the book, Marcus also makes reference to artists as disparate as the comic Robert Klein, the director Neil Jordan and the novelist Jonathan Lethem, so that we might get a sense of Morrison’s complex appeal. Mostly, these comparisons feel strangely accurate. Sometimes, as when Marcus compares the music to Bob Beamon’s astonishing long jump, he’s, uh, stretching things a bit.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 26 March 2015 14:09 (nine years ago) link

This is a pretty nice one. Not as great as a '67 soul cover of a Van tune might have been, but I'll take it. Oddly drops the "jellyroll" line. Too dirty?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQbc_f8ACc4

Brio2, Thursday, 26 March 2015 15:39 (nine years ago) link

That's one of my favorite Van songs -- for me, it's up there with most of Astral Weeks -- and I've always loved Scott's "Are You Lonely For Me Baby?"

This is tremendous. Thank you for posting.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 26 March 2015 16:01 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, I actually stumbled on this cover trying to track down a 45 of "Are You Lonely For Me Baby" - such a great tune.

Brio2, Thursday, 26 March 2015 16:25 (nine years ago) link

The Van cover is on the b-side of Scott's "Run Joe" 45 on Shout.

Brio2, Thursday, 26 March 2015 16:26 (nine years ago) link

Another good early solo Van I should have mentioned: His Band and Street Choir, though he's already working toward a relatively more mainstream approach, more like what he was going for on the Bang Masters sessions, and more like what we now know will coalesce into Moondance and Tupelo Honey.
But if you're looking for more of something like the Astral Weeks vibe, especially "Madame George," I'd suggest Kevin Coyne. His mutant folk-blues-rock isn't all that jazzy, but some say he improvised all or much of his outsider verses on the spot in the studio, and certainly they can have that effect, the most unsettling aspect of such encounters being that you (or I) actually get what he's talking about (a former circuit-riding social worker with his own problems, who took good notes).
His Case History and Peel Sessions are good places to start; ditto Marjory Razor Blade, Matching Head and Feet, In Living Black and White, The Adventures of Crazy Frank, Sugar Candy Taxi, and maybe the set with Jon Langford, One Day In Chicago, though I haven't heard it. Of course he's got his own thread.
The cryptic contemplations and sunny Gothic landscapes of John Cale's Vintage Violence seem not too far fromAstral Weeks, as the crow flies, anyway.

dow, Sunday, 29 March 2015 20:58 (nine years ago) link

vintage violence and astral weeks do share a producer - lewis merenstein

tylerw, Sunday, 29 March 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link

The new Uncut has him on the cover and a run through of some of his best lps. Snippets on them by various people who played on them.

& had me wondering what the story was on the disappearance of the reissues from around 2005/6. Was there any reason for them only being around for a short while since they don't seem to be around any more.

Would love that series's St Dominic's Preview. Not sure why I didn't get it at the time

Stevolende, Sunday, 29 March 2015 21:14 (nine years ago) link

Kevin Coyne can sound like Van occasionally (intentionally I would guess), but not that often really, and I'm amazed you didn't mention the album, Blame It On the Night! (xxp)

Betel-chewing Equipment of East New Guinea (Tom D.), Sunday, 29 March 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link

Not as much the sound as the effect, thinking most specifically of the "Madame George" experience, but that midnight mynd, muttering-forward vibe of other songs too (some Roy Harper, Richard Dawson as well). Not familiar with Blame It On The Night!

dow, Sunday, 29 March 2015 21:23 (nine years ago) link

ha, yes. was never sure if this was a van homage or piss-take (maybe both)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnIcTvJplts

no lime tangier, Sunday, 29 March 2015 21:25 (nine years ago) link

Man, that is the entry album for Kevin Coyne, not that it's his best, just that it has more or less his entire spectrum from avant-garde stream of consciousness blah to bluesy 70s rock to almost nearly pop.(xp)

Betel-chewing Equipment of East New Guinea (Tom D.), Sunday, 29 March 2015 21:30 (nine years ago) link

Looked up BIOTN, thanks Tom D. Also found this conversation with xpost AW/VV producer Merenstein:

http://darkforcesswing.blogspot.com/2009/03/in-full-lewis-merenstein-producer-of.html

dow, Sunday, 29 March 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link

The duet with Bobby Womack (RIP) on Some Peace of Mind is strong. The others I've listened to haven't come up to that level.

that's not my post, Monday, 30 March 2015 03:45 (nine years ago) link

Speaking of Van reissues, it'd be nice if the powers that be would get around to reissuing Irish Heartbeat. That was a great one.

that's not my post, Monday, 30 March 2015 03:48 (nine years ago) link

had me wondering what the story was on the disappearance of the reissues from around 2005/6. Was there any reason for them only being around for a short while since they don't seem to be around any more.

Also: What's the deal with the rights to his albums anyway? Polydor reissued a number of his albums on CD in the 90s, and then again in the series you mention, but there were odd gaps in what they had; like, iirc Polydor had Tupelo Honey through Veedon Fleece (I have their 90s editions of both), and then they skipped to the last 70s albums, hopping again to the mid '80s, where they finally encompass the whole of the period onward catalogue. Some--but not all--of the missing albums where kept in print by original label Warner Brothers, whom I think issued their holdings on CD back in the late '80s/early '90s CD boom (my copy of St. Dominic's Preview is on WB, and I've seen used copies of a WB Tupelo Honey from time to time).

PS: I was just looking at how ridiculously expensive his old albums are on Amazon--I really should have stocked up for eventual resale when I saw them all for like $10 a disc at Borders in the early 2000s.

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 March 2015 04:05 (nine years ago) link

Speaking of covers, who's heard this tribute album:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BBAEC6Z3L.jpg

1. You Make Me Feel So Free - Sinéad O'Connor 2. Queen of the Slipstream - Brian Kennedy 3. Coney Island - Liam Neeson 4. Crazy Love - Cassandra Wilson 5. Bright Side of the Road - Hothouse Flowers 6. Irish Heartbeat - Brian Kennedy/Shana Morrison 7. Full Force Gale - Elvis Costello 8. Tupelo Honey - Phil Coulter Orchestra 9. Madame George - Marianne Faithfull 10. Friday's Child - Lisa Stansfield.

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 March 2015 04:09 (nine years ago) link

^Marianne Faithfull's cover of Madame George is pretty good.

that's not my post, Monday, 30 March 2015 04:18 (nine years ago) link

I guess reading the Greil Marcus book on Van Morrison depends on how much you like or can deal with Marcus's methods

I picked it up last week because it was mucho cheap in Chapters on Parnell St - I would charitably describe it as 'ok' - the best thing about it was it made me go back and listen to some stuff, but yeah some of it went way into Boomer rock crit parody territory.

the_ecuador_three, Monday, 30 March 2015 15:01 (nine years ago) link

i like it -- yeah plenty of "where are you going with this" moments, but i sorta enjoy its ramble. and yeah, it gets you going back to the music.

tylerw, Monday, 30 March 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link

Seems like the breakup of Them -> release of Astral Weeks would be a good period to cover in one book; would also like a book that's just straight-up storytelling and no extraneous flabby critical analysis

Brio2, Monday, 30 March 2015 16:54 (nine years ago) link

(so basically I want 200 pages of that awesome article)

Brio2, Monday, 30 March 2015 16:54 (nine years ago) link

Seems like the breakup of Them -> release of Astral Weeks would be a good period to cover in one book; would also like a book that's just straight-up storytelling and no extraneous flabby critical analysis

― Brio2, Monday, March 30, 2015 5:54 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't know if there was a break up of Them. Van left and several members continued for another 3 lps before morphing into a band called Truth

Stevolende, Monday, 30 March 2015 17:35 (nine years ago) link

right - I just meant Van leaving Them. I've always been curious about the post-Van Them stuff.

Brio2, Monday, 30 March 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link

i haven't heard all of those post van them records, but i remember some of it being surprisingly good.

tylerw, Monday, 30 March 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVCvi4aNLc8

According to Wikipedia there was a Them, a "The Other Them", and the Belfast Gypsies (with THEM in huge letters on their album cover) all playing at the same time.

Brio2, Monday, 30 March 2015 17:52 (nine years ago) link

and there was more than one Them as early as '65!

Brio2, Monday, 30 March 2015 17:53 (nine years ago) link

confusing.
hadn't seen this before, pretty amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKuM5oKk0es

tylerw, Monday, 30 March 2015 17:58 (nine years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Arizona Jones has posted 1970/71 shows, incl one with a 12-minute version of "Astral Weeks." Haven't had tyme to listen yet, but all the AJ posts I have checked are worth hearing. Here's the one with "Astral Weeks":
http://arizjones.blogspot.com/2015/04/van-morrison-fillmore-west-10-09-1970.html

dow, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 01:14 (nine years ago) link

The AJ posts I've heard are by other artists, no idea yet re his Van shows (some of which have songs I've never heard, unlike this set; gotta check 'em all)

dow, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 01:17 (nine years ago) link

Well actually looks like there's just one other Van show still up, but intriguing (and lengthy) set list:
http://arizjones.blogspot.com/2015/04/van-morrison-san-anselmo-ca-8-08-1971.html

dow, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 01:31 (nine years ago) link

Wow, thanks so much!

dow, Sunday, 3 May 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link

four months pass...

When the reissue of Astral Weeks comes out one of the alternate takes will be an apparently legendary long version of Slim Slow Slider. This guy interviewed John Payne, the soprano sax player on the tune: http://throwingpenniesbridges.blogspot.com/2015/08/it-had-just-blown-them-away.html

OK, I'm so ready to hear this.

that's not my post, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 05:34 (eight years ago) link

wowww

sleeve, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 15:12 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

I woke up at 5am today, anyway I've been trying to set up all our household bills on to this online bill pay system so I went down in the basement where the computer is. Threw on the Rhino vinyl reissue from a couple years ago. I was having trouble getting my credit card account to connect to the site, and all of a sudden "Madam George" came on and I just started crying it was so pretty, right at the part where she says my love you forgot your gloves.

Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 13:23 (eight years ago) link

The bit that always does it for me is "laughing music dancing music all around the room"

Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 21:10 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H66PEecCo9g
unedited bonus track of 'slim slow slider' (for some reason shown as being from His Band and the Street Choir)... interesting to say the least...

tylerw, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 21:24 (eight years ago) link

listened to this for the first time in years the other night. my sister & brother-in-law visited last weekend, we had a fire going in the fireplace, had been smoking a little weed and drinking a little bit, this is like my sister's favorite album so she asked to put it on, the line that got all of us was "for instance me baby" from ballerina

marcos, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link

xp editing out that last bit may have been the single best production choice made for that record, damn

sleeve, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 23:42 (eight years ago) link

Going to see if that new edition is in HMV tomorrow.

I see it gets reviewed in the new Uncut, couldn't check the Mojo since it was sealed in a bag around a book about the Dylan bootleg series. Both had just appeared in the local newsagent when i was in town yesterday.

Still wondering how extensive the physical cd releases on the Legacy material are after reading that Record Collector news last month.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 23:59 (eight years ago) link

xp yeah, that edit is a stroke of genius, like falling off a cliff or something. still kind of happy to hear that last bit w/ van breaking into a hymn, which would've ended the album on a decidedly different note...

tylerw, Thursday, 29 October 2015 20:11 (eight years ago) link

I've now heard both cds and they sound pretty great. B&SC sounds less muddy than I've heard it elsewhere.
AW is fantastic, great to have it on a decent sounding cd at last.

Stevolende, Monday, 2 November 2015 01:18 (eight years ago) link

AW remaster sounded crisp and overwhelming as I drove across the GG bridge this morning. In parts it almost becomes chaotic with all the instruments so clearly present.

that's not my post, Monday, 2 November 2015 03:56 (eight years ago) link

eight years pass...

FWIW Janet sells jewellery on Etsy as lovebeadsbyjp

birdistheword, Saturday, 6 July 2024 05:32 (six days ago) link

There's a new movie that uses her name.

Billion Year Polyphonic Spree (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 July 2024 14:50 (six days ago) link

Which is kind of audacious but it totally works.

Billion Year Polyphonic Spree (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 July 2024 14:51 (six days ago) link

Janet Planet says Van moved the fam to Woodstock because he really really wanted to be friends with Bob, but that they never met, and Bob supposedly wasn't at all interested in Van---tbf, this was not the time to approach; Chronicles has people coming up on the Dylan family front porch at three AM, yelling and waving scraps of paper etc---but I always heard an early solo Van feel to "If Not For You," especially "annywayitjustwouldn'tringtrue---if not for you." So maybe there was some musical interest at least.
One of the ilx Dylan threads incl. a longtime Dylan drummer's account of being fired, after Van came backstage and explained to Bob why he should do that (drummer standing right there).

dow, Saturday, 6 July 2024 23:47 (six days ago) link

Van had to make do at the time by becoming friends with The Band.


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