Use Your Illusion II poll

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Poll Results

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"Estranged" (Rose) – 9:24 10
"You Could Be Mine" (Stradlin) – 5:44 9
"Civil War" (Axl Rose, Slash, Duff McKagan) – 7:43 8
"14 Years" (Izzy Stradlin) – 4:21 3
"Yesterdays" (Rose, West Arkeen, Del James, Billy McCloud) – 3:16 2
"Breakdown" (Rose) – 7:05 2
"Get in the Ring" (Rose, Slash, McKagan) – 5:41 1
"Don't Cry (Alternate Lyrics)" (Rose, Stradlin) – 4:44 0
"So Fine" (McKagan) – 4:06 0
"Locomotive" (Rose, Slash) – 8:42 0
"Pretty Tied Up" (Stradlin) – 4:48 0
"Shotgun Blues" (Rose) – 3:23 0
"Knockin' on Heaven's Door" (Bob Dylan) – 5:36 0
"My World" (Rose) – 1:240


some dude, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 00:15 (twelve years ago) link

With your bitch slap rappin' and your cocaine tongue you get nothin' done.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 01:00 (twelve years ago) link

"Civil War" is one of the best songs of the 90s, not just this record.

Euler, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 01:05 (twelve years ago) link

This is easy. "Civil War" is by miles and miles and lightyears the best song Axl Rose ever wrote.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 03:08 (twelve years ago) link

Outside the two big hits of Civil War and You Could Be Mine, I think the best two songs are 14 Years and Estranged. Locomotive is also pretty good and So Fine is nice. There was a lot more filler on this disc.

Slash's solo on Estranged is one of the best things he ever did.

earlnash, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 06:14 (twelve years ago) link

But "Civil War" wasn't much of a hit, was it?

If there are two big hits here, the other one is rather "Don't Cry". "Civil War" is the better song though.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 10:26 (twelve years ago) link

Going with "Estranged"

van smack, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 12:57 (twelve years ago) link

Estranged

Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 13:01 (twelve years ago) link

You Could Be Miyiyiyiyiyiyieeeannnne

The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 13:02 (twelve years ago) link

Well, the "Don't Cry" that was a hit was on I, the one on II is just a reprise so I don't know if that counts. "Civil War" has the unique distinction of being a pretty big rock radio hit without a video, off of a set of albums that had a lot of videos for non-hits.

"14 Years" is so great, having a hard time choosing between that and "Estranged" and at least a couple others.

some dude, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 13:02 (twelve years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

toughie...probably has to be you could be mine, but there are a lot of good ones on this...yesterdays is some nice cod skynyrd

M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 23:11 (twelve years ago) link

Civil War

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 23:59 (twelve years ago) link

Get in the ring, motherfucker!

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 21 August 2008 00:30 (twelve years ago) link

I was listening to it the other day, and the first half of "Get In The Ring" really is a catchy little song before it gets swallowed whole by Axl's media shitlist, I forget that sometimes.

some dude, Thursday, 21 August 2008 00:41 (twelve years ago) link

when you're talking to yourself...

and nobody's home...

(ALONE)

incoming missile

balls, Thursday, 21 August 2008 02:46 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, everyone seems to forget that Get In The Ring has a great riff.

Locomotive is the closet classic, but Estranged is just a masterpiece. It may be the alltimer in the category of great songs that got ignored because of wacky videos.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 21 August 2008 03:47 (twelve years ago) link

The conventional wisdom is that the UYI albums are really messy and inconsistent, but look at that track list. So Fine really isn't all that bad; the only true turkeys are My World and Shotgun Blues. There's great parts in all the rest.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 21 August 2008 03:48 (twelve years ago) link

I'd put "Locomotive" in the same half-great/half-crap category as "Get In The Ring," the chorus is such a mess that it kind of ruins the whole song for me.

some dude, Thursday, 21 August 2008 04:43 (twelve years ago) link

Where is the love for "Yesterdays"?

But yes, "Civil War" is epic.

rogermexico., Thursday, 21 August 2008 06:37 (twelve years ago) link

Though on second listen it owes a bit to "Love Lies Bleeding"... This really was Axl's Elton John record.

rogermexico., Thursday, 21 August 2008 06:52 (twelve years ago) link

MY WORLD!

No one's mentioned "Breakdown"? That one's great other than the "let me hear ya now" part.

Reatards Unite, Thursday, 21 August 2008 14:02 (twelve years ago) link

Real answer: 14 Years

Reatards Unite, Thursday, 21 August 2008 14:06 (twelve years ago) link

I've always liked Yesterdays but I voted You Could Be Mine.

Trip Maker, Thursday, 21 August 2008 14:20 (twelve years ago) link

"Yesterdays" is a definite top 3 but not really in contention for my #1 (I ultimately voted "14 Years" but could've done "Estranged" or "Civil War" or "Breakdown").

some dude, Thursday, 21 August 2008 14:23 (twelve years ago) link

man these polls have made me realize how fucking awesome these records are!

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 21 August 2008 14:57 (twelve years ago) link

yeah I'm listened to II right now (on "Locomotive" now) and it's awesome! "Shotgun Blues" is a dud but o/w this is a totally solid to great record.

Euler, Thursday, 21 August 2008 15:00 (twelve years ago) link

i don't even mind shotgun blues.

i always think of these as "duds" compared to destruction and lies but then i like pretty much every song...like in retrospect they are super impressive, all over the place but honestly i'd say that at least 75-80 percent of it really works.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 21 August 2008 15:07 (twelve years ago) link

I think at the time I liked the singles but thought of the whole thing as such a let down that I never really took it seriously. But yeah, these are strong records.

Euler, Thursday, 21 August 2008 15:09 (twelve years ago) link

yeah...as far as kind of bloated, overly ambitious big double album projects go, UYI is pretty great.

some dude, Thursday, 21 August 2008 15:10 (twelve years ago) link

"Civil War" and "Locomotive" are the sort of epics that double (quadruple, really) albums are made for, but "You Could Be Mine" has Axl at his most enjoyably whiny, so I'll go for that one.

Never understand the hatred for "Shotgun Blues" myself - that shit woulda sounded right at home on Rocks or Rock 'n Roll Outlaw. Which isn't a bad thing.

Myonga Vön Bontee, Thursday, 21 August 2008 15:13 (twelve years ago) link

the tough-guy posturing on "Shotgun Blues" is pretty weak (lol @ "verbal masturbation"), esp. right after "Get In The Ring" which pushes the line too but has a great tune too

Euler, Thursday, 21 August 2008 15:21 (twelve years ago) link

yeah but like criticizing axl for weak tough guy posturing is like criticizing john coltrane for playing saxophone!

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 21 August 2008 15:27 (twelve years ago) link

lol

some dude, Thursday, 21 August 2008 15:28 (twelve years ago) link

i think i'll vote for you could be mine, mainly for axl talking about his lawyer, and the feather/fur coat and nwa hat outfit in the video.
but estranged is way better than i remember it being.

mizzell, Thursday, 21 August 2008 15:41 (twelve years ago) link

yeah M@tt I guess that's right; except Lies and Appetite sound less like tough-guy posturing and more like party records mixed with paranoia. It's only on UYI where he keeps reminding us that he can kick our ass.

Euler, Thursday, 21 August 2008 15:47 (twelve years ago) link

oooh you want a confrontation

some dude, Thursday, 21 August 2008 15:59 (twelve years ago) link

"My World" is pretty great though!

Euler, Thursday, 21 August 2008 16:00 (twelve years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Thursday, 21 August 2008 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

these results are pretty OTM

some dude, Thursday, 21 August 2008 23:46 (twelve years ago) link

six years pass...

The Man Who Said Peace Could Last Forever

Something about the black wristband line, it was in reference to some movement that over took some school or some shit. I learned about it last year, on some Day Of Silence crap at school.

You'd be surprised what you can find out from using illusion... if people could get their minds off Axl's penis or Slash's riffs.

Martin Luther King? So much for accusion of Axl being a racist http://www.mygnrforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/mf_Dr_Evil.gif

pplains, Sunday, 14 September 2014 19:11 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

In Civil War, Axl sings "power hungry/sellin' soldiers in a human grocery store/ain't that fresh?"

Do you think he was trying to drop rap slang into the song by saying "fresh"? Or was this simply a sardonic jab about the fresh meat of human soldiers?

the rap jeff baxter, Friday, 21 December 2018 19:40 (one year ago) link

yes

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 21 December 2018 19:41 (one year ago) link

the piano breakdown in the middle of Estranged is so great

when it goes to the solo then comes back with "i'll never find anyone to replace you" ... one of my favorite moments in rawk

rip van wanko, Friday, 21 December 2018 19:53 (one year ago) link

there was a time when there was some talk of a Guns N' Roses/NWA tour to fully scandalize the parents of America but it never happened

Ae$op Rocky (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 December 2018 19:54 (one year ago) link

listening now "14 Years" is so great

Ae$op Rocky (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 December 2018 20:04 (one year ago) link

xp — co-sign. “Estranged” is a masterpiece. It’s kind of an echo/equal of “Ten Years Gone” (my favorite Zep song).

The video is also gonzo... I love high-baroque period classic G’N’R.

underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Friday, 21 December 2018 20:10 (one year ago) link

(that xpost wuz to rvw)

underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Friday, 21 December 2018 20:10 (one year ago) link

I got a thought that would be nice
I'd like to crush your head tight in my vice...PAIN!

Ae$op Rocky (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 December 2018 20:29 (one year ago) link

Oh, you wanna step into my world?

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Friday, 21 December 2018 20:44 (one year ago) link

can't wait for the sequel to GITR by woke Axl Rose

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:44 (one year ago) link

One in a Million could also use a rewrite

rip van wanko, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:40 (one year ago) link

Civil War is magnificent. I abandon all critical acumen, contented, in its ludicrous, pompous doorway.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:58 (one year ago) link

They've pulled One in a Million from recent pressings and the remasters

Ae$op Rocky (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 22 December 2018 00:12 (one year ago) link

Chinaski otm

I can't believe a record this bonkers was so popular

Ae$op Rocky (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 22 December 2018 00:13 (one year ago) link

Someone submitted a pic of Mickey Rourke and Axl Rose to NTV as a Newfoundland couple celebrating their anniversary. It doesn’t get any better than this. https://t.co/bR78ZfZvQa

— Chris LeDrew (@ChrisLeDrew) December 21, 2018

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Saturday, 22 December 2018 10:42 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Sometimes I think "Estranged" is in, like, the top 5 songs ever recorded.

Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Thursday, 27 February 2020 17:38 (six months ago) link

Not too into that one, tbh, but I loooooooooove "Locomotive."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:31 (six months ago) link

Both are all time

Mule, Thursday, 27 February 2020 19:45 (six months ago) link

This may in fact be the album I love the most of all albums. I’m not sure it’s the most *important* album in my life (that’s probably «Doolittle», which I got at 11 years old by a cool older cousin), but it feels like a part of me like little else.

Mule, Thursday, 27 February 2020 19:52 (six months ago) link

There's something to be said for an album that's both kinda underrated yet indefensibly over the top.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 February 2020 20:02 (six months ago) link

Releasing it simultaneously with one that's overrated and indefensibly over the top helps along with that.

pplains, Thursday, 27 February 2020 22:34 (six months ago) link

yeah, I only like three or so songs off that album.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 February 2020 22:39 (six months ago) link

Sometimes I think "Estranged" is in, like, the top 5 songs ever recorded.

― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Thursday, February 27, 2020 12:38 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm. I think of this and November Rain and Don't Cry as kind of a tryptic, but Estranged is the best of em

i will FP you and your entire family (rip van wanko), Thursday, 27 February 2020 23:32 (six months ago) link

^yes!

Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Thursday, 27 February 2020 23:41 (six months ago) link

I like that considering the length of each album (90s CD era !), they basically released like 4 albums at once !
And there's easily 2 albums worth of great stuff.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 28 February 2020 10:02 (six months ago) link

Am feeling «Breakdown» today. Kind of underrated track.

Mule, Friday, 28 February 2020 14:59 (six months ago) link

lol i forgot how knockin on heaven's door and civil war are the same song

j., Friday, 28 February 2020 16:04 (six months ago) link

Some great insights from Duff about UYI sessions. The host will be a dealbreaker for many but the power of Duff pulled me through.
https://m.soundcloud.com/deandelray/let-there-be-talk-ep118-duff

Yelploaf, Friday, 28 February 2020 16:37 (six months ago) link

The power of Duff compels you!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 February 2020 16:39 (six months ago) link

lol i forgot how knockin on heaven's door and civil war are the same song

LOL also so fine and don't cry, jesus was no one paying attention in the studio, was this part of the conceptor

j., Friday, 28 February 2020 16:58 (six months ago) link

two whole albums for one whole song

j., Friday, 28 February 2020 17:00 (six months ago) link

They're the same because they're ballads and have four chords?

Don't Cry was written during Appetite iirc

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Friday, 28 February 2020 17:03 (six months ago) link

Yeah, those songs don't all sound the same to me... (also, fwiw, "So Fine" was written by Duff)

Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Friday, 28 February 2020 17:20 (six months ago) link

what's with all the funny voices

is it a 'thing'

was axl protecting his voice from touring fatigue or something

― j., Thursday, February 27, 2020 10:49 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I listened to this at the gym this morning through headphones and this was very distracting. It's like Axl got high during the final mixing and just started adlibbing/scatting all over the tracks.

Har Mar Klobuchar (PBKR), Friday, 28 February 2020 19:03 (six months ago) link

TS: Fucking bitch” - “Back Off Bitch” v. “Fuck you...Bitch” - "Right Next Door To Hell"

Har Mar Klobuchar (PBKR), Friday, 28 February 2020 19:16 (six months ago) link

Something about this album is that the sequencing is terrible(?)... it feels like the tracks were thrown out in random order (save, of course, for the vital importance of closing with "My World").

Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Friday, 28 February 2020 20:07 (six months ago) link

are the kids still paying their hard-earned money to read about the bands they wanna know about?

Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Friday, 28 February 2020 20:08 (six months ago) link

oh the way that Sheeran played
No one read the Hit Parade

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Friday, 28 February 2020 20:10 (six months ago) link

Like, it's almost perverse that "You Could Be Mine," the big T2 single, is buried as track #12.

I'm tempted to Make My Own Tracklist for this one...

Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Friday, 28 February 2020 21:58 (six months ago) link

i really appreciated axl's concern for the kids' pocketbooks at that age because i didn't have money money for records let alone trashy rock mags like circus, but i really wanted to read them!

j., Saturday, 29 February 2020 00:21 (six months ago) link

six months pass...

I would have voted for Estranged

Civil War is great
Pretty Tied Up is still a jam
M@tt is otm way upthread, Get In The Ring has such a great riff - it is *super* dumb but it’s still fun to listen to

I dunno if there’s any song that I hate ... cant really skip anything when it comes down to it

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 13 September 2020 02:31 (one week ago) link

oh and Locomotive SLAYS

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 13 September 2020 02:33 (one week ago) link


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