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last thursday i was talking to tony viscounti about the david bowie album he is producing. it's like the answer album to the berlin trilogy. not retro but exciting.

and also tony's got a new protegee, kirsteen young, has anyone heard her stuff? he is sending me an album, which would be cool...

doomie, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Hey, that new album sounds fantastic. Does this Tony friend of yours know Tony Visconti at all? Because I think he has some kind of connection to Bowie as well. Weird. I guess the i.n.d.u.s.t.r.y. (is that really what they call it on the inside? why?) is a pretty small world.

The Duly Impressed Mr. Jones, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

It's a bit like hearing that Monty Python are getting back together, and that it won't be retro. I mean, maybe it won't be for them, but how can it be anything else for us? Are they suddenly going to become Chris Morris?

Momus, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Hey, that new album sounds fantastic. Does this Tony friend of yours know Tony Visconti at all? Because I think he has some kind of connection to Bowie as well. Weird. I guess the i.n.d.u.s.t.r.y. (is that really what they call it on the inside? why?) is a pretty small world.

-- The Duly Impressed Mr. Jones (hobartarms@hotmail.com), May 11, 2002.

you are just another jaded out bitch.

doomie, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

It's a bit like hearing that Monty Python are getting back together, and that it won't be retro. I mean, maybe it won't be for them, but how can it be anything else for us? Are they suddenly going to become Chris Morris?

I don't know Momus, i mean, David Bowie has now gone independant, away from record companies (and yes, he is fantastical rich) but we will see.

i havent heard it but am excited.

doomie, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

plus: i got excited to hear tony and david in the studio again.

doomie, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

The new album blows. Dull dull dull. Plus, I saw him play a couple tracks in NYC on Friday. Dull dull dull again. David Bowie (I've loved you since I was six).

Yancey, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

you are just another jaded out bitch.

And you, sir, are not a gentleman!

The Actual Mr. Jones, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Had a listen to 'heathen' at the weekend. "Side 2" is better than "Side 1", so to speak, but "slow burn" is growing on me (thought it was dreadful - and retro! - first time I heard it). Didn't bother with the previous two Bowie efforts, so dunno if it's a step up or down. I kinda wish he'd carried on doing drum and bass tho'.

That cover of the Pixies' "Cactus" - C or D?

Jeff W, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

seven years pass...

There really are eight million Bowie threads on here.

Anyway, Bowie responds to his first American fan letter, 1967. Fun!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:26 (twelve years ago) link

awww cuet

eight woofers in the trunk sb'n down the block (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:27 (twelve years ago) link

Very nice.

the onimo effect (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:28 (twelve years ago) link

Lovely.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:36 (twelve years ago) link

Would that 15 min film be that one where he's a painting and keeps popping up in real life just so the artist can kill him again and again?

That was on an NME Video compilation, aaages ago.

Mark G, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:53 (twelve years ago) link

Bowie talks about No Down Payment in that letter, too -- I love that movie! Joanne Woodward, Sheree North, Tony Randall, marital discord and drink problems in a post-war housing development.

Such A Hilbily (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:09 (twelve years ago) link

wow. really charming stuff

iago g., Thursday, 10 December 2009 02:33 (twelve years ago) link

last thursday i was talking to tony viscounti

wtf

lukevalentine, Thursday, 10 December 2009 02:43 (twelve years ago) link

They even liked the single "Love You Till Tuesday".

Worse Lieutenant (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 10 December 2009 03:24 (twelve years ago) link

it was always somewhat irritating that Doomie couldn't write to save himself

The reverse TARDIS of pasta (Niles Caulder), Thursday, 10 December 2009 03:26 (twelve years ago) link

What the hell happened to Doomie anyway?

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 10 December 2009 22:45 (twelve years ago) link

Very nice!

Cunga, Thursday, 10 December 2009 23:20 (twelve years ago) link

four weeks pass...

http://i47.tinypic.com/ra56ky.gif

I don't think I've posted this wonderful gif yet.

Cunga, Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:49 (twelve years ago) link

From the great "Bowie Meets the Fonz" tv moment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1bRIwqv_tM&feature=player_embedded

Cunga, Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:51 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/NASA-Launches-R.article_0.jpg
Looks more like The Glitter Band

might seem normal (snoball), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 14:49 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

Mark Dery ('The Pyrotechnic Insanitarium') has written an interesting, "33 1/3" -esque piece:

Leper Messiah: A Jesus Freak’s Search for the Meaning of Bowie

Background here: http://www.markdery.com/archives/news/000119.html

(& apologies if this has already been posted elsewhere)

Chooglin'alCarbon, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 18:50 (twelve years ago) link

I always thought he (and P. Murphy) was saying "leopard messiah." I'd even do I *rowr rowr I'm a clawing leopard* gesture when i sang it.

Walter Melon (Abbott), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 19:19 (twelve years ago) link

I am truly annoyed now that this isn't the real lyric.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

Viceory & I had a pretty spirited debate abt whether it was "leather messiah" or "leopard messiah," both of which are wrong (and superior?).

Walter Melon (Abbott), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

i know i suggest it everywhere, but the bowie blog where the author is writing essaylets on every song in chronological order of recording is astoundingly great...it's called "pushing ahead of the dame" he is up to soul love now

iago g., Wednesday, 28 April 2010 19:40 (twelve years ago) link

Never realized there was confusion about "leper messiah." ZS has always been one of my go-to karaoke songs and it's always been "leper"

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 21:04 (twelve years ago) link

i know i suggest it everywhere, but the bowie blog where the author is writing essaylets on every song in chronological order of recording is astoundingly great...it's called "pushing ahead of the dame" he is up to soul love now

Fantastic blog... His entry on "Life On Mars" is one of my fave bits of music writing.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 21:05 (twelve years ago) link

where is this

the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 21:08 (twelve years ago) link

http://bowiesongs.wordpress.com/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

Thank you, Ned. Yes, Elvis, the Life on Mars one is mindblowing...he also finds these great photographs to lead off each song entry, and links to streaming versions of the demos and live versions he is discussing...

iago g., Wednesday, 28 April 2010 21:18 (twelve years ago) link

wow that "life on mars" entry is amazing

Shakey Ja Mocha (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 21:30 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

Let's hear it for the author of the astonishing "Pushing Ahead of the Dame" who has just completed his epic song-by-song catalogue, with brilliantly incisive essaylets on every recording he could get his hands on, up until Pin-Ups...check it out! This is historic stuff

iago g., Saturday, 10 July 2010 00:45 (twelve years ago) link

obviously he is just getting started...I cannot wait for the Diamond Dogs entries!

iago g., Saturday, 10 July 2010 00:46 (twelve years ago) link

bowiesongs.wordpress.com

iago g., Saturday, 10 July 2010 00:48 (twelve years ago) link

jeez...
http://bowiesongs.wordpress.com/

iago g., Saturday, 10 July 2010 00:49 (twelve years ago) link

seven months pass...

Great blog.

Side two of "Heroes" sounded great walking to work in the sub-zero temperatures this morning.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 10 February 2011 15:17 (eleven years ago) link

http://bowiesongs.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/end-of-chapter-four-1973-1975/

He got a book deal!

sofatruck, Thursday, 10 February 2011 16:06 (eleven years ago) link

Very well deserved, that.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 10 February 2011 16:14 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

Apparently finally a new album on its way too:
Really surprised "Supper's Ready" made the list, but what the hell I vote that

Been strangely silent from the once so profilic act lately, but this is maybe finally some news.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 11:25 (eleven years ago) link

I was all "wtf David Bowie's doing "Supper's Ready" on his new album?" for a moment there...

Mark G, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 13:01 (eleven years ago) link

"Hello i love david bowie is he coming on tour next year to holland? And how can i write him greatings tiziana"

Mark G, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 13:03 (eleven years ago) link

I was all "wtf David Bowie's doing "Supper's Ready" on his new album?" for a moment there...

Well he does have a habit of doing shit cover versions

Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 13:04 (eleven years ago) link

Here comes Geir to say "that would be great though, ;)" or some such...

Mark G, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 13:11 (eleven years ago) link

i guess i'm way behind the curve, but i guess need to track down Toys then ?

http://www.planetrock.com/newscentre/rock-news/unreleased-bowie-album-leaked-online-1671

mark e, Thursday, 24 March 2011 10:45 (eleven years ago) link

Debbie Harry has ruined David Bowie for me. I cannot listen to him now without thinking of him, with a snootful of cocaine, randomly whipping out his dick and showing it to her.

jimbeaux, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 16:12 (eight months ago) link

the return of the thin white toot

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 16:13 (eight months ago) link

One thing they sort of fixed on the Aladdin Sane CD remasters is bringing up the vocal a little on "Watch That Man", which was accidentally buried on the vinyl master. I have a nice late '70s Canadian press where the track almost sounds like an instrumental!

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 16:16 (eight months ago) link

It wasn't an accident that the vocals were buried, was it? I know that Ken Scott hates the mix now, but it was deliberate enough at the time. It is annoying for sure - so odd.

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 23:02 (eight months ago) link

I didn't know the original outtake (or demo?) for "Shadow Man" had been bootlegged:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk7z8_z8AGY

Good but the re-recording is definitive.

birdistheword, Thursday, 13 January 2022 00:01 (eight months ago) link

Also found this, totally forgot about it - I think it's only been release from the Sound + Vision box set:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMsnV9keFrQ

GREAT opening, but the rest is missing something. Still, it's a fun track and I wish it had been included on later reissues. Young Americans is the rare Bowie album where I'd like the original album to have some bonus tracks at the end, especially since two good ones were bumped for those two last minute Lennon recordings, much to Visconti's regret. (I love the hit, but the Beatles cover is awful.)

Here's an excerpt from Jeff Rougvie's blog on the Rykodisc reissues, a GREAT read if you have a lot of time to kill:

http://www.jeffrougvie.com/bowie-blog

13. "After Today" (Young Americans outtake)

In 1989 Young Americans was the best-selling non-compilation album in the RCA Bowie catalog ...I was very, very taken with this outtake. The rough mix Northeastern Digital knocked out was only intended as a listening reference, but we used it anyway. I liked the aggressive sax placement and the overall roughness, compared to the rest of YA, which plays the Philly Soul thing largely on the smoother side. I don’t think the track was fully finished (there was no final mix, just the multi-tracks). Because of the aggression, it felt out of place as a bonus track. The guys at Northeastern Digital were somewhat mortified that David & I wanted to use it as is. Northeastern Digital asked us to give them a shot at remixing it to fit the overall sound of YA and we did. I felt the result took the edge off and Bowie did too. If there had been more to work with, the sweeter mix may have worked, but the tracks were just too raw. So we used this version, and the engineer asked his name be taken off the mixing credit, but I love it as is.

birdistheword, Thursday, 13 January 2022 00:10 (eight months ago) link

I wish we didn't keep bringing up xgau on Bowie. Although he understood, after a while, what Bowie was up to, the album reviews consist of snarkfests that don't do much to explain why Diamond Dogs, say, might be a waste of time.

Also: it's generational. Many in my critical cohort coming of age in the '80s and early '90s are not so hung up on "theatre" and "rock and roll." The point of David Bowie, insofar as he had one, was showing how one could be a polymath in a late 20th century form.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 January 2022 00:19 (eight months ago) link

xp also from that blog, this is a really obnoxious way of trying to reach Kurt Loder, even if he didn't know he was in Moscow:

After days of frustrated calling, I devised a plan to get his attention. These were the late 80’s, pre-e-mail and at the height of fax madness. I wrote a letter, made four copies of it, taped them together end-to-end and fed one end into the fax feed, dialing Kurt’s fax # at the MTV offices. After the squeak and squeal signaled the machines had connected, the first sheet in the fax centipede fed into the machine and I taped the end that came out the other end to the one that had yet to enter, creating a giant loop. This was an infinite fax, one that would certainly use up all of MTV’s fax paper and hopefully create an event of enough significance that would Kurt would be motivated to take note and call back. I walked away from the machine and left it to do its work.

birdistheword, Thursday, 13 January 2022 00:32 (eight months ago) link

Also from the same blog, this is how much Bowie's catalog was undervalued: "After we got the catalog, I saw proposals Bowie’s people had reviewed from other labels. Shockingly low projections filled the pages, but the reissued Changesone (never an updated version) was always the title with the highest numbers. One label with a wildly fucked-up perspective put it’s first year sales at 25,000 copies. When Ryko released Changesbowie, it sold half a million (Gold) in the first year, and eventually went on to sell a million (Platinum)."

birdistheword, Thursday, 13 January 2022 00:51 (eight months ago) link

xxxpost Xgau awarded Bowie several A-s and B+s, with reviews that seemed respectful enough, though was typically dismissive of the albums he didn't like/get. But the only way he was "brought up" was having his name in the title of the thread I linked, which incl. good discussions of Bowie, to which you contributed.

dow, Thursday, 13 January 2022 00:52 (eight months ago) link

I'm aware of his reviews, which occasioned some frustration for me as a young queer man: not because of the grades, but because he didn't seem to GET the importance of Bowie's un-rock, quite theatrical bent; that's the POINT of Bowie.

If I want Bowie appreciations, I prefer Nick Kent, Marcello Carlin -- Brits who were there and not even necessarily queer but who weren't raising their noses at a "European" tradition xgau thought antithetical to rock 'n' roll (another point about Bowie: he loved R&B).

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 January 2022 01:03 (eight months ago) link

Yeah. I said that some of them were respectful, not that they were deep enough. He has always been kneejerk about what he thinks is "European" or Yurrupean, as he loves to say (what a guy).

dow, Thursday, 13 January 2022 01:32 (eight months ago) link

And speaking of his love for R&B, thanks again for getting me to try the Rhino/Parlophone YA: I'm fascinated by his adventures in The Philly Sound---also Dusty's, so thanks also for writing about her Complete Atlantic Singles, the only 2021 CD album I bought.

dow, Thursday, 13 January 2022 02:10 (eight months ago) link

Too bad they never recorded together, though maybe not temperamentally compatible---

dow, Thursday, 13 January 2022 02:14 (eight months ago) link

Thanks!

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 January 2022 02:35 (eight months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Has this been shared before?

Dennis Davis' son has a YT channel with mini-documentaries about his Dad talking to various people, and they're great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=videos

Maresn3st, Saturday, 5 February 2022 16:23 (eight months ago) link

Dammit - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gCUBRFkvvU

Maresn3st, Saturday, 5 February 2022 16:23 (eight months ago) link

Gail Ann Dorsey: “It was so much fun to work with David Bowie – he was always open to exploration of his material”
By Bass Player Staff ( Bass Player ) published 1 day ago

David Bowie, Lenny Kravitz, Gang of Four: the great Gail Ann Dorsey has earned Bass Player's Lifetime Achievement award many times over
https://www.guitarworld.com/features/gail-ann-dorsey-bass-player-lifetime-achievement-award Still got her album The Corporate World: uneven, but def some keepers---xgau: Pet Shop Boys, this is how it sounds with soul.

dow, Saturday, 5 February 2022 17:13 (eight months ago) link

xp I truly think the Alomar/Davis/Murray unit (plus Bowie and gonzo lead guitarist) constitutes one of the greatest bands of all time

like, people respect their contributions but I would argue they are still way way under recognised for what they achieved

and I guess that's partly thru the way solo artists are conferred auteur status in a way that devalues the contributions of the musicians around them

but in no small part race-related, like the white guys (Bowie, Eno, Visconti, Fripp, Belew) were the inspired genius masterminds and the POC dudes were "hired hand" session dude craftsmen

(they also probably deserved more songwriting credits than they got - I love Eno but his "songwriting credits are decided by whoever is paying for the studio time" comment always struck me as being pretty gross)

anyway, the skills and musical invention those guys brought to the records from StS to Scary Monsters is off the charts

and if I could fire up the time machine and see one live show it would be a date on the Isolar II tour - where multiple crucial strands of 1970s music collided in the best possible way (rock! soul! glam! ambient! Hawkwind!)

(anyway I was lucky enough to see two dates on the Reality tour and Gail Ann Doresy was totally MVP at those shows, what a star - Bowie could still put together a great, and he clearly really loved that touring band - enough to bring them back together for The Next Day)

lemmy incaution (emsworth), Saturday, 5 February 2022 22:23 (eight months ago) link

cool link dow. thank you for sharing. agreed: gail ann dorsey is pure class.

get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Saturday, 5 February 2022 22:57 (eight months ago) link

Love those vids with Davis’ son and - yes - I’ve always thought that the Davis Murray Alomar powerhouse has always been given short shrift as well.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 5 February 2022 23:01 (eight months ago) link

I love Eno but his "songwriting credits are decided by whoever is paying for the studio time" comment always struck me as being pretty gross)

I never heard this comment, but it strikes me more as a wry observation than a maxim

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 5 February 2022 23:43 (eight months ago) link

Eno was probably thinking of working with Talking Heads. He and the band members were asked for a breakdown of songwriting share splits for every song on the record, and of course everybody's perception of how much they all had contributed was irreconcilable with each other.

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 6 February 2022 00:46 (seven months ago) link

I got the most recent box set that focuses on his 90’s work and i’ve been wading through it. The Pretty Things Are Going to Hell might be my least favorite Bowie song.

Cow_Art, Sunday, 6 February 2022 00:51 (seven months ago) link

mea culpa, I have been trying to find the Eno "quote" above and I think I might've misremembered or conflated some unrelated quotes from the Pushing Ahead of the Dame project - weird cos it's really wedged in my head - anyway, sorry Brian!

lemmy incaution (emsworth), Sunday, 6 February 2022 01:39 (seven months ago) link

Glad you liked it, Austin---a very long time ago, I saw Bowie and his band with Dorsey (who I thought was Michelle Ndegeocello)do a live concert on MTV, filling in at the last minute for the Rollings Stones: no prob, place was in flames, another day at the office for them, looked like, though Bowie was creeping around with a piratical leer, kinda relishing the pandemonium. One of the MTV lackeys blurted, "Man, I'm GLAD the Stones didn't make it!" Easy there, son, not supposed to talk about the talent like that.
Also I think she was in his rock orchestra when he played a by-request show on A&E around that time: they ripped through about 15 years of singles just for a start, then the callers could figure out what to ask for.

dow, Sunday, 6 February 2022 02:17 (seven months ago) link

Or they may have taken some calls during the opening onslaught, but you could see they were going to play all your obvious choices (and then some) anyway.

dow, Sunday, 6 February 2022 02:20 (seven months ago) link

I feel lucky to have seen him twice in the later years and two fairly iconic performances, the Meltdown Festival show where he decided to play all of Low and Heathen, the some of the hits, which was incredible and made even more surreal by the fact I was sat next to Eno.

Also the Hammersmith Apollo gig from 2003, where he played an epic set including The Bewlay Brothers (apparently for the first time). They were such a great band, capable of reproducing anything from his past without making it sound too modern or showbizzy, tweaking the arrangements just enough.

Maresn3st, Sunday, 6 February 2022 12:31 (seven months ago) link

wowwww

assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 6 February 2022 12:55 (seven months ago) link

Both are on YT too! (although the audio-only boot of Meltdown is better than the video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDWOvTABmD0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKZig2F-9RQ

Maresn3st, Sunday, 6 February 2022 13:09 (seven months ago) link

That "...Anger" video is great, I don't think I ever noticed those congas in the mix before, and they're mixed so high, too, and I can't imagine that song achieving lift-off without them

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 6 February 2022 15:41 (seven months ago) link

i wish there were better videos of those Heathen/Low shows out, like a professional one (maybe there is and I haven't looked). I missed that tour because in the US it was part of a festival thing with Moby at a venue I hate in the bay area, but I deeply regretted it later. I did get to see him three times though: first with Tin Machine, which was frankly incredible; with NIN on the Outside tour; and then on the last Reality tour, in a pretty fucking small space in Berkeley (high school theater).

akm, Sunday, 6 February 2022 18:56 (seven months ago) link

interested in the small venue bit akm - was it a special show or was he just playing smaller venues on that tour? in Australia he was still a pretty major concert draw - although admittedly he hadn’t been here since 1987 (except to record tin machine ii!)

lemmy incaution (emsworth), Sunday, 6 February 2022 21:15 (seven months ago) link

seven months pass...

Have tickets to see Moonage Daydream tonight. Pretty stoked.

bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Saturday, 17 September 2022 16:14 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah seeing it here in a few hours myself. Proper huge IMAX screen, not one of those weird demi versions.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 17 September 2022 16:29 (two weeks ago) link

i saw it on one of those demi versions and it was still mindblowing, really really great, could have been 2 hours longer and I probably wouldn't have gotten sick of it.

Only a few minor quibbles: 1) a little too much footage is repeated (I'd seen enough of what appear to be outtakes of footage from the Let's Dance videos after I'd seen Bowie on an escalator for the third time) 2) wish Morgan had run some AI cleanup on the late 70's/80's videotape footage which looks awful at IMAX scale 3) really doesn't include much of anything post-Earthling, though there is some footage from blackstar videos and one line. It's not a chronological documentary as such though.

akm, Saturday, 17 September 2022 16:44 (two weeks ago) link

I thought this was brilliant. Kind of had diminishing returns as it neared the end (I never connected with his 90s or 00s output), but in general surpassed by expectations.

bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Sunday, 18 September 2022 05:43 (two weeks ago) link

Agree with those criticisms (though I like how Morgen lights Forlorn Bowie like a character in a Tsai film), also how the film largely eschews biopic cliches EXCEPT for the moment Iman walks into his life.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 September 2022 09:57 (two weeks ago) link

tony viscounti

mark s, Sunday, 18 September 2022 11:02 (two weeks ago) link

Doesn’t Visconti mean viscounts?

Ride On Proserpina (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 18 September 2022 11:20 (two weeks ago) link

tony biscuits

mark s, Sunday, 18 September 2022 12:13 (two weeks ago) link

Okay that works

Ride On Proserpina (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 18 September 2022 13:00 (two weeks ago) link

I saw it in IMAX yesterday and loved it, though agree it dragged a bit in the last 10-15 minutes. I admired how it was an impressionistic portrait rather than the usual parade of dates and talking heads—as I left the cinema, it occurred to me that they didn’t even mention any album titles. I saw a review criticize this approach a bit, but I figure that anyone seeing this film already knows the Bowie story, and doesn’t need the same tired anecdotes repeated.* The sections about Ziggyy/LA were really thrilling; I liked how it incorporated all the clips of Kenneth Anger etc. as context, and applying effects to live footage. Reminded me of the recent Velvet Underground film, and would love to see a film in this manner just about Bowie in the early 70s.

*Biggest disappointment in this regard was going to the one-night only theater showing of the Beatles’ Eight Days a Week. I thought I’d see a deep dive into their touring years but it ended up being rehashed Anthology stories.

blatherskite, Sunday, 18 September 2022 15:54 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah it was a joy, if not perfect-as-such I really had no complaints; there's a big interview with Morgen in a supplement to that relaunched Creem debut issue I need to look through here to get a better sense of his editorial choices. Alfred's many points on his blog are well kept in mind. I did appreciate they got in "Hallo Spaceboy" (I was half expecting "I'm Afraid of Americans" but then again in retrospect the closest thing to a duet performance they showed was the Tina Turner Pepsi ad -- so no "Under Pressure," "Dancing In the Streets" (going with "Absolute Beginners" was a smart touch), or the Freddie tribute duet with Annie Lennox, etc.)

I dunno, I think the absence of deep Blackstar reflections as such is easily explained that there's no interview material from him about it or The Next Day. What were they going to play otherwise as the running commentary? Framing the film with "Blackstar" video footage and doing the mix of the women in the ritual from that with "Memory of a Free Festival" was a sharp touch, and again sorta said what was needed to as I felt it.

Seeing Morgen did all those edits and mixes soundwise impressed me. Put it up there with Soulwax's DAVE video/audio mix, frankly, and in a much different way. Also got to see a one-off screening of The Man Who Fell to Earth a few days beforehand so having that fresh in my head was helpful given all the footage used. (I did find it VERY fascinating if weirdly appropriate that essentially his Young Americans and just after era were barely represented outside of a performance clip or two with different audio over it; instead it was mostly the Cavett interview, the Yentob documentary and Man Who Fell.)

I did run through various things in my head about what they left out and amused myself at thinking what an alternate cut could be like; leaving everything from before "Space Oddity" aside from Love You Til Tuesday mime snippets fits I suppose, the "Fame" era as noted, but imagine if the focus was the Peter And The Wolf recording, the "God Only Knows" cover, gamely playing along as Hunt Sales did his bloooooz thing on "Stateside" with Tin Machine, The Linguini Incident, and the VH1 Storytellers special for ...hours. (I almost wondered if they were going to ignore Labyrinth so I was happy to see that crop up; mildly surprised nothing from Baal though? And was there nothing from The Hunger? I might have at least thrown in bits of the Pontius Pilate and Tesla performances. And what exactly was that one audiovisual performance where there was a spine and a gas mask in front of him and the films projected behind? That and the moment of him in the shadow of a stagelight with the flower petals raining down were my 'I wish I knew what this was from' moments, along with that SE Asian tour footage as Alfred mentions.)

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 September 2022 16:22 (two weeks ago) link

Oh and gamely going with two of the big standard classics as credits playout music was kinda fun. I hope everyone did stay to the very end to catch the last little bit.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 September 2022 16:23 (two weeks ago) link

Framing the film with "Blackstar" video footage and doing the mix of the women in the ritual from that with "Memory of a Free Festival" was a sharp touch, and again sorta said what was needed to as I felt it.

True.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 September 2022 16:35 (two weeks ago) link

"And what exactly was that one audiovisual performance where there was a spine and a gas mask in front of him and the films projected behind? "

i felt like those were outtakes from the Hearts Filthy Lesson video but I could be totally wrong.

akm, Sunday, 18 September 2022 18:43 (two weeks ago) link

Yes!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 September 2022 18:44 (two weeks ago) link

Also very much enjoyed the movie, I liked how even though it was not comprehensive it still presented a good evolving portrait of him. The contemporaneous interviews really let you hear where he was (creatively, geographically) at different points. It's striking to hear his sudden shift in the '80s into "I'm an entertainer!" mode, and then to hear him turn against that again the next decade — like he'd let himself be seduced if not corrupted. All well put together, if a little baggy here and there.

'Hunky Dory' box. incoming - https://superdeluxeedition.com/news/david-bowie-a-divine-symmetry-the-journey-to-hunky-dory/

MaresNest, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 14:17 (one week ago) link


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