Death metal fans....favorite Death album

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No, not favorite death metal album, favorite album from the late Chuck Schuldiner's amazing band. Been listening to them a lot lately, find their career to have a nice variety depending on your mood. From the raw years of Scream Bloody Gore and Leprosy, to the more progressive Human and Individual Thought Patterns, even the wankier stuff like Sound of Perseverance or the artier stuff like Symbolic. So WHICH ONE IST KRIEG OF ALL THE PENGUINS?

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Individual Thought Patterns 7
Symbolic 3
Leprosy 3
Scream Bloody Gore 2
Sound of Perseverance 2
Pre-Scream Demos (explain) 1
Human 1
Spiritual Healing 1
Fate: The Best of Death 0
Live in L.A. (Death and Raw) 0
Live in Eindhoven 0
None I liked Control Denied better (um wtf)0


Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 23:41 (twelve years ago) link

Are we allowed to base our votes solely on sleeve design? If so, then I vote for this:

http://shop.obscure-abhorrence.com/cover/1963deathleprosy120080117.jpg

As a horror-movie obsessed 12-year-old, I thought this was just about the coolest thing in the world. In fact, in constitutes one of those rare instances where I was actually kind of scared to buy the actual record b/c it just looked that evil.

Pillbox, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 23:50 (twelve years ago) link

It's a solid album too. I had not heard much about it from fans since it often got overlooked compared to their other releases, but I couldn't quit playing it when I finally picked it up last year. Just flat out rocks.

For the record, I picked Symbolic (which I'm listening to now), but that could change any day of the week.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 23:51 (twelve years ago) link

Weird timing, I've been listening to Death all week - checking out some instrumental Scream Bloody Gore demos, waiting for this to come in the mail, listening to Sound of Perseverance with relish. I think Human may have been the first proper death metal album I bought, and it kinda fucked with my mind - clerks in the record store were playing it and everybody was standing around going "what the fuck" and I was like "ok sell me this please." Haven't heard it in years though. I had it on a fuckin cassette. Symoblic's got "Crystal Mountain" (but so does that live at the Troub one, which I think of every time I go there)...for me it's hard to choose, because the early stuff is so vital, but the proggy stuff is so good. I know a lot of people don't dig Death both because Chuck went Xian & because the progginess of the whole project ended up running counter to what death metal sorta turned out be about but fuck that, I love tech-death.

I am gonna wait to vote on this one, since I'm just entering a listen-to-Death phase and we've got a week, I'm sure everybody is very excited to hear me thinking out loud on this shit :/

J0hn D., Wednesday, 23 July 2008 02:17 (twelve years ago) link

Individual Thought Patterns was the first Death album I heard as a teenager, and I got pretty deep into it.

I always found it extraordinary that they were from Florida, as their music evokes mist-shrouded, mountainous, Northern European landscapes perfectly.

chap, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 02:41 (twelve years ago) link

Voted Symbolic, but every album after Spiritual is great. I was never into the old stuff, for me it got interesting once Chuck started getting really good players, like Sean Reinert en Paul Masvidal (both of Cynic) on Human, and Gene Hoglan on the next two records.

Marty Innerlogic, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 08:19 (twelve years ago) link

I really only like Scream Bloody Gore and Leprosy, but I love both of those. I can't stand Individual Thought Patterns, Spiritual Healing of Sounds Of Perseverance, too much prog I guess. I like some of Human & Symbolic though.

I guess I'm not really a troo death metal fan, though.

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 08:47 (twelve years ago) link

Coincidentally I was listening to an Early Demos bootleg yesterday/this morning - sound quality was awful, anyone know if the demos that are on the Zero Tolerance CD are listenable?

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 09:43 (twelve years ago) link

they're pretty awful, as i recall, the old ones anyway. listenable enough to me.

i can't decide whether to vote SBG or leprosy. i've got nothing against the later ones, those are just my favorites.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 11:05 (twelve years ago) link

It's a tie for me between Human and Individual Thought Patterns. I like Symbolic, too, but those first two prog-tech-Death records are just so fucking great. I think I will listen to both of them today and then make a decision.

unperson, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 12:16 (twelve years ago) link

Symbolic just keeps pulling away...man, that riff that closes the album. Just...shivers!

I really like Human but it seems like I'm NEVER in the mood for it. Individual Thought Patterns is classic too.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 27 July 2008 17:22 (twelve years ago) link

Human is "better" but I cast what will probably be the only vote for Spiritual Healing because it's my favorite - "Living Monstrosity!" First pro-life death metal song?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 27 July 2008 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

ITP for me, what I like best about it is the drawn out, meandering, jam session-like feel of it. Unlike all the other albums which were always more compact, structured. SBG would be #2 as it was the first of them I heard, young me could hardly believe metal could be any more brutal. Fuck I loved this band, although Symbolic was the first realisation that they would not get better each album anymore.

Siegbran, Sunday, 27 July 2008 18:43 (twelve years ago) link

Either Sound of Perseverance or Symbolic...

A. Begrand, Sunday, 27 July 2008 18:58 (twelve years ago) link

playing Scream Bloody Gore right now....

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 27 July 2008 22:11 (twelve years ago) link

When I was in 9th grade, I was walking the halls between classes. I noticed there was a wide open locker with nothing in it except the cassette of Scream Bloody Gore.

I took it home and listened to "Regurgitated Guts" and "Zombie Ritual" over and over.

That album was meant to come into my life that day, and it has never left (though I seem to listen to it exclusively on vinyl now).

Nate Carson, Monday, 28 July 2008 00:56 (twelve years ago) link

What a completely awesome story!!!

J0hn D., Monday, 28 July 2008 00:59 (twelve years ago) link

I'm gonna be voting ITP.

unperson, Monday, 28 July 2008 02:03 (twelve years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Thursday, 31 July 2008 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

hey dude who voted for the demos: explain yourself

J0hn D., Friday, 1 August 2008 01:23 (twelve years ago) link

I only have Sound of Perseverance, have yet to be able to get very far into it. Something about his vocals bother me. Of course, it's possible that once I'm able to get through the whole album, my view on that will change.

Jeff Treppel, Friday, 1 August 2008 02:22 (twelve years ago) link

very surprised Human didn't do better, but I'm down with the ITP pick

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 1 August 2008 02:42 (twelve years ago) link

ten months pass...

Been rediscovering ITP lately - great stuff, some dazzling playing. They sure do pack the time signature shifts in.

chap, Friday, 26 June 2009 15:51 (eleven years ago) link

Leprosy. I prefer the mid-to-late 80's transition period from Thrash to Death Metal more than proper Death Metal itself, generally.

dorkus malorkus (latebloomer), Friday, 26 June 2009 16:21 (eleven years ago) link

four months pass...

Just listening to Symbolic for the first time in maybe a decade. Fucking epic.

I am flesh and blood. You are software and circuitry. (chap), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 14:43 (eleven years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Symbolic is an album I'm feeling again right now. too soon, Chuck...too soon. you are still missed.

melody-hating aggr0 nerd (San Te), Sunday, 24 October 2010 07:17 (ten years ago) link

leprosy until the end

naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Sunday, 24 October 2010 08:05 (ten years ago) link

Leprosy is fantastic. some h8 on it cuz it's sandwiched between their thrash/death era and their tech death era, but the songs just flat out rock.

melody-hating aggr0 nerd (San Te), Sunday, 24 October 2010 13:22 (ten years ago) link

How could anyone with ears hate on Leprosy?

kkvgz, Sunday, 24 October 2010 13:42 (ten years ago) link

Metalheads can be tards

melody-hating aggr0 nerd (San Te), Sunday, 24 October 2010 18:06 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

I fucking LOVE this:

When I was in 9th grade, I was walking the halls between classes. I noticed there was a wide open locker with nothing in it except the cassette of Scream Bloody Gore.

I took it home and listened to "Regurgitated Guts" and "Zombie Ritual" over and over.

That album was meant to come into my life that day, and it has never left (though I seem to listen to it exclusively on vinyl now).

I love Human and don't know the others very well at all yet...

Clarke B., Friday, 2 March 2012 03:03 (nine years ago) link

oh man...you are in for treats, let me tell you. not all of them are immediate, but once you absorb them, they're amazing.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 2 March 2012 04:07 (nine years ago) link

My fave fluctuates between Symbolic and ITP. I like em proggy, but not too proggy.

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Friday, 2 March 2012 04:20 (nine years ago) link

Symbolic is mine now. occasionally has moments that are....pretty!

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 2 March 2012 04:22 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

god Leprosy is so fucking great. Chuck's voice was really one of a kind. I loved his vox even in the later days but he just outright didn't care about shredding his throat on the early stuff.

you can totally hear the Rozz influence on this album too. I mean I love SBG and all but it's small potatoes compared to Leprosy.

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 05:01 (seven years ago) link

Human 1
Spiritual Healing 1

what in the goddamn hell

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 05:22 (seven years ago) link

It's likely that I voted for Spiritual Healing. It was my intro to Death (and death metal) and will always have a special place in my heart.

how's life, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 09:03 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

put on Symbolic for the first time in a while. god this shit is just like perfect. great balance of melodicism, rawkin', and meedly-meedly leads.

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 00:17 (five years ago) link

When I was in 9th grade, I was walking the halls between classes. I noticed there was a wide open locker with nothing in it except the cassette of Scream Bloody Gore.

I took it home and listened to "Regurgitated Guts" and "Zombie Ritual" over and over.

I keep thinking of this forlorn guy who spent years trying to get his tape back

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 00:18 (five years ago) link

six months pass...

I feel like at their peak (IMO, between Human - Symbolic), they might just have been the best progressive death band alive.

listening to Symbolic again now and still gives me chills....

Neanderthal, Sunday, 4 December 2016 01:06 (four years ago) link

also insane to me this is the 15th anniversary of his death in a few weeks. :(

Neanderthal, Sunday, 4 December 2016 01:11 (four years ago) link

I feel like at their peak (IMO, between Human - Symbolic), they might just have been the best progressive death band alive.

Siegbran, Sunday, 4 December 2016 18:28 (four years ago) link

I think Individual Thought Patterns might have been like.....the fourth death metal album I bought? I think after Six Feet Under's horrible Warpath, Cannibal Corpse's Gallery of Suicide, and Carcass's Heartwork. was enamored with the fluidity of the leads, as well as Chuck's vocals, and yet it still wasn't afraid to be heavy, which is my #1 problem with a lot of tech/progressive death.

I loved that Death to All tour a few years ago as well.

Symbolic I didn't acquire until 2007 but it was practically the soundtrack to my summer that year.

Neanderthal, Sunday, 4 December 2016 21:43 (four years ago) link

yeah what a legacy. all the albums still sound good. always reward a revisit. an all-time band.

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 5 December 2016 01:08 (four years ago) link

i love this band more than almost any other band

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Monday, 5 December 2016 03:51 (four years ago) link

i'd include sound of perserverance in the peak. it was the third metal record i ever bought (after leviathan and in the nightside eclipse) and it still surprises me

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Monday, 5 December 2016 03:54 (four years ago) link

it's a great album. jsut doesn't quite hit the same peaks for me, but it holds up nicely.

Neanderthal, Monday, 5 December 2016 04:11 (four years ago) link

I don't like the production on Perserverance. Not enough oomph, vocals too high in the mix.

chap, Monday, 5 December 2016 11:43 (four years ago) link

Enjoyed the documentary. Also, I've spent three decades mispronouncing Chuck Schuldiner's last name. Anyone else?

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 1 July 2019 03:06 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

I spent most of the running time listening for a mention of his surname but didn't hear one! I've always pronounced it Shooldinner (Schooldinners lol) - is that wrong?

I thought the documentary was fine if kinda plodding. I was wondering why I'd not seen Death back in the day as I saw most of the big hitters at the time. So now I know. Were his mental health issues that well known at the time?

If I'd wanted anything from the documentary, I'd have liked a bit more focus on the music. A little musicology goes a long way but something a bit more on how he constructed the music, how he transitioned from the bludgeon of the early records to the more technical stuff, how they managed that in the studio etc etc.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 10:35 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I would have enjoyed hearing some more about that too, but as music documentaries go, I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. It doesn't insult the intelligence of the average death metal fan. Paul Masvidal conspicuously absent from the interviews. I assumed there was some beef, but Paul did those tribute shows, so who knows.

His name was pronounced in the doc when someone--I think it was Steve Digiorgio--refers to Chuck's mom as "Mrs. Schuldiner." I've always said "SHULL-dinn-ur" but I guess it's pronounced "shul-DEEN-ur?"

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 11:12 (one year ago) link

It does seem he gave plenty of people the right to be permanently pissed off with him. Sean Reinert still seems pretty raw about things. Gene Hoglan seems more sanguine but it's clearly there.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 13:24 (one year ago) link

Yep. I was actually impressed by how diplomatic Reinert came off in the interview in light of Chuck's seemingly passive aggressive way of dealing with band personnel. But I'm a Cynic fanboy, so of course I'd think that.

Best thing about the doc is that the filmmakers realized they didn't need to explain the entire history of death metal. Clearly, this film was made for people who were already fans, which I appreciated, despite the fact that it probably limited the appeal of the film somewhat. There's nothing worse, to me, in music documentaries, when they begin with 25 minutes of, say, "bebop is an offshoot of the American art form know as jazz..."

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 14:03 (one year ago) link

I don't recall if I gave this the one vote for Spiritual Healing or not.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 23:28 (one year ago) link

I was assuming it was me, to be honest. That was my first Death album so I've always stood behind it, even though they have other albums that are arguably better.

☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 8 August 2019 12:14 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

Sound of Perseverance is such a high note that they went out on. I know some folk don't like it as much. my only qualm with it is Chuck's voice, which was usually this powerful, throaty, death-rattle, seems more like Sebastian Bach shrieks at times.

100 Percent That Grinch (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 December 2019 05:01 (one year ago) link

"Painkiller" vocals are pretty amazing.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 14 December 2019 05:18 (one year ago) link

yeah it was interesting hearing him attempt clean vocals for the first time.

at the time I got TSOP I had only gotten Painkiller a year earlier so I was mega excited about the cover.

100 Percent That Grinch (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 December 2019 05:32 (one year ago) link

I do find it interesting that (for me at least), the more progressive they got, the easier the individual riffs got to play.

100 Percent That Grinch (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 December 2019 05:33 (one year ago) link

holy fuck, listening to the Painkiller cover for the first time in decades, I forgot how good his falsetto sounded

100 Percent That Grinch (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 December 2019 05:44 (one year ago) link

also cool that they didn't recreate the Priest solos but added their own

100 Percent That Grinch (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 December 2019 05:47 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Rest in peace Sean Reinert

Cynic - "Nunc Stans"

Hey comrade,
What will it be like,
On the day we face our mortal lives?
We're all given,
The misfortune of loss,
But that's a gift we call impermanence,
We don't own our work,
We don't own the earth,
At all
We're eternal Nunc Stans soldiers,
The eternal warriors.
We're accountants,
In the firm of life,
Entrusted with a body, heart and mind.
Hey comrade,
Did I love well?
Have I learned to live moment to moment?
We don't own our work,
We don't own the earth,
We don't own our minds,
We don't own anything,
At all.
We're eternal Nunc Stans soldiers,
The eternal warriors.
We're eternal Nunc Stans soldiers,
The eternal warriors.
It was not death,
It was not life,
It was love.

... that's Traore! (Neanderthal), Sunday, 26 January 2020 04:51 (one year ago) link

RIP

pomenitul, Sunday, 26 January 2020 10:36 (one year ago) link

human the greatest album of all time, still devastated by this news

american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:23 (one year ago) link

Damn, I loved that Cynic album in high school, really unique & great drummer.

change display name (Jordan), Sunday, 26 January 2020 20:48 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

On the opposite end of the spectrum of Death, I am listening to Scream Bloody Gore and it is still faaaaantastic.

― The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, August 6, 2017 5:54 AM bookmarkflaglink

playin this on vinyl rn. it's helping with my down mood.

ZOMBIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
RITUAL

muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 August 2020 01:34 (nine months ago) link

few things....

so these all got reissued...again, except Symbolic...again. in 2010, the same thing happened- the explanation given was that Roadrunner wouldn't give permission to Relapse to reissue that one. is there some unknown reason they don't want that one to be re-issued? I mean I know it's been reissued before, but it was not part of the last two major reissues.

also, anybody wanna change their vote? my order goes:

1) Human (this one took years to grow on me, now it's the first one I want to play - bridged the gap between proggy and face-punchy, just great writing all over this thing, all-star lineup)
2) Symbolic (the "thoughtful" Death album. some of the best lyrics Chuck wrote, and the riffs are less about sanding faces off and more good, poignant songwriting. the ideas are simple throughout, probably the simplest on a Death album ever - but are ever so atmospheric and ear catchy.
3) Leprosy (my favorite of their early gonzo balls to the wall shit. It's everything SBG was, ratcheted up by 1000)
4) Individual Thought Patterns (the first one I bought, age 16. loved the fluidity of the guitar leads and the creative, melodic riff-writing, and the production ,which still had bite, with Chuck's zombie-ish vocals. "Overactive Imagination" is an all-time favorite)
5) Sound of Perseverance (I was ambivalent to this one when it came out, though it was the second one I owned. time's been kinder to it. it's proggy af, but it has a lot of what made Human good throughout it as well. "Bite the Pain" is a classic)
6) Scream Bloody Gore (this entire album rips start to finish. i can't imagine what this sounded to metal fans at the time....alas I was an elementary school kid)
7) Spiritual Healing (I only acquired this one about 7 or 8 years ago, and it didn't grab me as much as the others, though it's not "bad" whatsoever.)

muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 04:25 (nine months ago) link

I slightly prefer Sound Of Perseverance to Symbolic but I still need to get the rest of them.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 18:56 (nine months ago) link

Re: the documentary, how do you guys feels about Chuck seemingly wanting to give up singing eventually?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 18:57 (nine months ago) link

Spiritual Healing was robbed

Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 19:14 (nine months ago) link

Roadrunner wouldn't give permission to Relapse to reissue that one. is there some unknown reason they don't want that one to be re-issued?

Roadrunner is a division of Atlantic Records/Warner Music Group. Major labels don't license their titles to indies to be reissued. (That's assuming Atlantic/WMG even gives a shit at all — they're pretty much 100% in the pop and hip-hop business at this point.)

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 19:15 (nine months ago) link

Also, my ranking:

1) Human/Individual Thought Patterns (tie)
2) Symbolic/Sound of Perseverance (tie)
3-7) don't care, honestly

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 19:17 (nine months ago) link

it is unsatisfying ranking death records they're all great

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 19:20 (nine months ago) link

like scream bloody gore would prob be last in my ranking and that feels stupid bc it rocks my face off

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 19:20 (nine months ago) link

Re: the documentary, how do you guys feels about Chuck seemingly wanting to give up singing eventually?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, August 25, 2020 2:57 PM bookmarkflaglink

I mean, he kinda did with Control Denied. I honestly woulda missed his vocals if he just did the Control Denied thing and never screamed again.

muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 19:28 (nine months ago) link

ok I might be back to ITP as my favorite now.

it's an all Death DJ set tonight.

muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 00:37 (nine months ago) link

I want to watch you drown in your lies
The end of your masquerade
A matter of time, intertwining lies
Domination, control
Feed his twisted nature

It is sickening to see dreams die
A word of advice
Fate's patience is growing short
Fake down to your mind and appearance
You will fall short of the dreams to destroy

In time you will find
Yourself trapped in a corner
These four words, my friend
I promise you will not forget

I am one of many that see through your lies
Hiding will do you no good, many seek revenge
Soon to become a victim of what
You live to create and cannot have

It is sickening to see dreams die
A word of advice
Fate's patience is growing short
Fake down to your mind and appearance
You will fall short of the dreams to destroy

muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 00:45 (nine months ago) link

six months pass...

i am just getting into classic death metal in a very big way

this is one of the very greatest bands of all time, right? my god.

sorry for shitpost i just... this band!

brimstead, Saturday, 13 March 2021 03:48 (three months ago) link

one of the very greatest bands of all time yes

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 13 March 2021 04:37 (three months ago) link

Otm

Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Saturday, 13 March 2021 06:30 (three months ago) link

I first heard them at 16 and it was transformative, you could say.

I love that each album is classic in a different way.

Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Saturday, 13 March 2021 06:31 (three months ago) link

yeah just always great, stoked for you getting into them, what a pleasure

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 13 March 2021 12:03 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

so I'm on the lawn outdoors at the Orlando Fringe Festival, listening to this guy play some electric jazz, and my friend tells me it's actually Bobby Koelbe. aka, the lead guitarist on Death's "Symbolic", who is apparently a jazz legend here and I never knew it. he was my old friend's guitar teacher apparently!

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:12 (two weeks ago) link

Nice

"God Of Thunder" sounds almost ploddingly simple at the end of Human

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 3 June 2021 17:33 (two weeks ago) link

Because it's a KISS cover?

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Thursday, 3 June 2021 17:50 (two weeks ago) link

:)

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Thursday, 3 June 2021 17:51 (two weeks ago) link

it’s a great cover tho, imo!

brimstead, Thursday, 3 June 2021 18:32 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah I knew it was a cover. Other than "Painkiller" how many covers did they do?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 3 June 2021 21:27 (two weeks ago) link

Not many! That might be it actually

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Thursday, 3 June 2021 21:36 (two weeks ago) link

Di Giorgio really is the star of ITP, isn't he

my god, I'd never heard metal bass playing like that before I picked up this album as a child.

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Friday, 4 June 2021 01:54 (two weeks ago) link

Hoglan REALLY beats the shit out of the drums on this, I mean lol he has some really nice fills too don't get me wrong, but while Sean Reinert's masterful performance was a lot about the texture of his playing and fitting into the groove of the band, Hoglan just goes ham on his kit at times. and it works!

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Friday, 4 June 2021 01:56 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah after I heard ITP I immediately went on a hunt for anything else Hoglan was on but unfortunately there's not really anything else where he goes all-out in the same way.

Siegbran, Friday, 4 June 2021 13:11 (two weeks ago) link

I think that's hwy I prefer this to Human. Human's a good, solid album, but it's 'clean' and precise, ITP brings back some of the 'extremes' that were eschewed while still pursuing the proggy direction Human went to. it's a better marriage of the two sounds, I think.

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Friday, 4 June 2021 13:22 (two weeks ago) link

I think it's fair to say Hoglan beats the shit out of the drums on those early Dark Angel records? Darkness Descends, man.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 4 June 2021 13:25 (two weeks ago) link

If you've ever seen him live, he's fantastic to watch; he unloads these avalanches while sitting perfectly upright and still like a court reporter. It's hilarious.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 4 June 2021 13:51 (two weeks ago) link

i saw him with Dethklok I think, lol

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Friday, 4 June 2021 15:08 (two weeks ago) link

I’ve been listening to the second Watchtower album a bit and I can definitely hear their influence in a lot of moments on ITP. Interesting band.

brimstead, Friday, 4 June 2021 18:35 (two weeks ago) link

I saw Gene play with Death.
I am old.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 4 June 2021 21:09 (two weeks ago) link


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