Death metal fans....favorite Death album

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No, not favorite death metal album, favorite album from the late Chuck Schuldiner's amazing band. Been listening to them a lot lately, find their career to have a nice variety depending on your mood. From the raw years of Scream Bloody Gore and Leprosy, to the more progressive Human and Individual Thought Patterns, even the wankier stuff like Sound of Perseverance or the artier stuff like Symbolic. So WHICH ONE IST KRIEG OF ALL THE PENGUINS?

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Individual Thought Patterns 7
Symbolic 3
Leprosy 3
Scream Bloody Gore 2
Sound of Perseverance 2
Pre-Scream Demos (explain) 1
Human 1
Spiritual Healing 1
Fate: The Best of Death 0
Live in L.A. (Death and Raw) 0
Live in Eindhoven 0
None I liked Control Denied better (um wtf)0


Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 23:41 (eleven years ago) link

Are we allowed to base our votes solely on sleeve design? If so, then I vote for this:

http://shop.obscure-abhorrence.com/cover/1963deathleprosy120080117.jpg

As a horror-movie obsessed 12-year-old, I thought this was just about the coolest thing in the world. In fact, in constitutes one of those rare instances where I was actually kind of scared to buy the actual record b/c it just looked that evil.

Pillbox, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 23:50 (eleven years ago) link

It's a solid album too. I had not heard much about it from fans since it often got overlooked compared to their other releases, but I couldn't quit playing it when I finally picked it up last year. Just flat out rocks.

For the record, I picked Symbolic (which I'm listening to now), but that could change any day of the week.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 23:51 (eleven years ago) link

Weird timing, I've been listening to Death all week - checking out some instrumental Scream Bloody Gore demos, waiting for this to come in the mail, listening to Sound of Perseverance with relish. I think Human may have been the first proper death metal album I bought, and it kinda fucked with my mind - clerks in the record store were playing it and everybody was standing around going "what the fuck" and I was like "ok sell me this please." Haven't heard it in years though. I had it on a fuckin cassette. Symoblic's got "Crystal Mountain" (but so does that live at the Troub one, which I think of every time I go there)...for me it's hard to choose, because the early stuff is so vital, but the proggy stuff is so good. I know a lot of people don't dig Death both because Chuck went Xian & because the progginess of the whole project ended up running counter to what death metal sorta turned out be about but fuck that, I love tech-death.

I am gonna wait to vote on this one, since I'm just entering a listen-to-Death phase and we've got a week, I'm sure everybody is very excited to hear me thinking out loud on this shit :/

J0hn D., Wednesday, 23 July 2008 02:17 (eleven years ago) link

Individual Thought Patterns was the first Death album I heard as a teenager, and I got pretty deep into it.

I always found it extraordinary that they were from Florida, as their music evokes mist-shrouded, mountainous, Northern European landscapes perfectly.

chap, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 02:41 (eleven years ago) link

Voted Symbolic, but every album after Spiritual is great. I was never into the old stuff, for me it got interesting once Chuck started getting really good players, like Sean Reinert en Paul Masvidal (both of Cynic) on Human, and Gene Hoglan on the next two records.

Marty Innerlogic, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 08:19 (eleven years ago) link

I really only like Scream Bloody Gore and Leprosy, but I love both of those. I can't stand Individual Thought Patterns, Spiritual Healing of Sounds Of Perseverance, too much prog I guess. I like some of Human & Symbolic though.

I guess I'm not really a troo death metal fan, though.

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 08:47 (eleven years ago) link

Coincidentally I was listening to an Early Demos bootleg yesterday/this morning - sound quality was awful, anyone know if the demos that are on the Zero Tolerance CD are listenable?

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 09:43 (eleven years ago) link

they're pretty awful, as i recall, the old ones anyway. listenable enough to me.

i can't decide whether to vote SBG or leprosy. i've got nothing against the later ones, those are just my favorites.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 11:05 (eleven years ago) link

It's a tie for me between Human and Individual Thought Patterns. I like Symbolic, too, but those first two prog-tech-Death records are just so fucking great. I think I will listen to both of them today and then make a decision.

unperson, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 12:16 (eleven years ago) link

Symbolic just keeps pulling away...man, that riff that closes the album. Just...shivers!

I really like Human but it seems like I'm NEVER in the mood for it. Individual Thought Patterns is classic too.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 27 July 2008 17:22 (eleven years ago) link

Human is "better" but I cast what will probably be the only vote for Spiritual Healing because it's my favorite - "Living Monstrosity!" First pro-life death metal song?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 27 July 2008 17:50 (eleven years ago) link

ITP for me, what I like best about it is the drawn out, meandering, jam session-like feel of it. Unlike all the other albums which were always more compact, structured. SBG would be #2 as it was the first of them I heard, young me could hardly believe metal could be any more brutal. Fuck I loved this band, although Symbolic was the first realisation that they would not get better each album anymore.

Siegbran, Sunday, 27 July 2008 18:43 (eleven years ago) link

Either Sound of Perseverance or Symbolic...

A. Begrand, Sunday, 27 July 2008 18:58 (eleven years ago) link

playing Scream Bloody Gore right now....

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 27 July 2008 22:11 (eleven years ago) link

When I was in 9th grade, I was walking the halls between classes. I noticed there was a wide open locker with nothing in it except the cassette of Scream Bloody Gore.

I took it home and listened to "Regurgitated Guts" and "Zombie Ritual" over and over.

That album was meant to come into my life that day, and it has never left (though I seem to listen to it exclusively on vinyl now).

Nate Carson, Monday, 28 July 2008 00:56 (eleven years ago) link

What a completely awesome story!!!

J0hn D., Monday, 28 July 2008 00:59 (eleven years ago) link

I'm gonna be voting ITP.

unperson, Monday, 28 July 2008 02:03 (eleven years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 23:01 (eleven years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Thursday, 31 July 2008 23:01 (eleven years ago) link

hey dude who voted for the demos: explain yourself

J0hn D., Friday, 1 August 2008 01:23 (eleven years ago) link

I only have Sound of Perseverance, have yet to be able to get very far into it. Something about his vocals bother me. Of course, it's possible that once I'm able to get through the whole album, my view on that will change.

Jeff Treppel, Friday, 1 August 2008 02:22 (eleven years ago) link

very surprised Human didn't do better, but I'm down with the ITP pick

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 1 August 2008 02:42 (eleven years ago) link

ten months pass...

Been rediscovering ITP lately - great stuff, some dazzling playing. They sure do pack the time signature shifts in.

chap, Friday, 26 June 2009 15:51 (ten years ago) link

Leprosy. I prefer the mid-to-late 80's transition period from Thrash to Death Metal more than proper Death Metal itself, generally.

dorkus malorkus (latebloomer), Friday, 26 June 2009 16:21 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

Just listening to Symbolic for the first time in maybe a decade. Fucking epic.

I am flesh and blood. You are software and circuitry. (chap), Wednesday, 18 November 2009 14:43 (ten years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Symbolic is an album I'm feeling again right now. too soon, Chuck...too soon. you are still missed.

melody-hating aggr0 nerd (San Te), Sunday, 24 October 2010 07:17 (nine years ago) link

leprosy until the end

naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Sunday, 24 October 2010 08:05 (nine years ago) link

Leprosy is fantastic. some h8 on it cuz it's sandwiched between their thrash/death era and their tech death era, but the songs just flat out rock.

melody-hating aggr0 nerd (San Te), Sunday, 24 October 2010 13:22 (nine years ago) link

How could anyone with ears hate on Leprosy?

kkvgz, Sunday, 24 October 2010 13:42 (nine years ago) link

Metalheads can be tards

melody-hating aggr0 nerd (San Te), Sunday, 24 October 2010 18:06 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

I fucking LOVE this:

When I was in 9th grade, I was walking the halls between classes. I noticed there was a wide open locker with nothing in it except the cassette of Scream Bloody Gore.

I took it home and listened to "Regurgitated Guts" and "Zombie Ritual" over and over.

That album was meant to come into my life that day, and it has never left (though I seem to listen to it exclusively on vinyl now).

I love Human and don't know the others very well at all yet...

Clarke B., Friday, 2 March 2012 03:03 (seven years ago) link

oh man...you are in for treats, let me tell you. not all of them are immediate, but once you absorb them, they're amazing.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 2 March 2012 04:07 (seven years ago) link

My fave fluctuates between Symbolic and ITP. I like em proggy, but not too proggy.

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Friday, 2 March 2012 04:20 (seven years ago) link

Symbolic is mine now. occasionally has moments that are....pretty!

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 2 March 2012 04:22 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

god Leprosy is so fucking great. Chuck's voice was really one of a kind. I loved his vox even in the later days but he just outright didn't care about shredding his throat on the early stuff.

you can totally hear the Rozz influence on this album too. I mean I love SBG and all but it's small potatoes compared to Leprosy.

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 05:01 (five years ago) link

Human 1
Spiritual Healing 1

what in the goddamn hell

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 05:22 (five years ago) link

It's likely that I voted for Spiritual Healing. It was my intro to Death (and death metal) and will always have a special place in my heart.

how's life, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 09:03 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

put on Symbolic for the first time in a while. god this shit is just like perfect. great balance of melodicism, rawkin', and meedly-meedly leads.

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 00:17 (three years ago) link

When I was in 9th grade, I was walking the halls between classes. I noticed there was a wide open locker with nothing in it except the cassette of Scream Bloody Gore.

I took it home and listened to "Regurgitated Guts" and "Zombie Ritual" over and over.

I keep thinking of this forlorn guy who spent years trying to get his tape back

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 00:18 (three years ago) link

six months pass...

I feel like at their peak (IMO, between Human - Symbolic), they might just have been the best progressive death band alive.

listening to Symbolic again now and still gives me chills....

Neanderthal, Sunday, 4 December 2016 01:06 (three years ago) link

also insane to me this is the 15th anniversary of his death in a few weeks. :(

Neanderthal, Sunday, 4 December 2016 01:11 (three years ago) link

I feel like at their peak (IMO, between Human - Symbolic), they might just have been the best progressive death band alive.

Siegbran, Sunday, 4 December 2016 18:28 (three years ago) link

I think Individual Thought Patterns might have been like.....the fourth death metal album I bought? I think after Six Feet Under's horrible Warpath, Cannibal Corpse's Gallery of Suicide, and Carcass's Heartwork. was enamored with the fluidity of the leads, as well as Chuck's vocals, and yet it still wasn't afraid to be heavy, which is my #1 problem with a lot of tech/progressive death.

I loved that Death to All tour a few years ago as well.

Symbolic I didn't acquire until 2007 but it was practically the soundtrack to my summer that year.

Neanderthal, Sunday, 4 December 2016 21:43 (three years ago) link

yeah what a legacy. all the albums still sound good. always reward a revisit. an all-time band.

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 5 December 2016 01:08 (three years ago) link

i love this band more than almost any other band

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Monday, 5 December 2016 03:51 (three years ago) link

i'd include sound of perserverance in the peak. it was the third metal record i ever bought (after leviathan and in the nightside eclipse) and it still surprises me

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Monday, 5 December 2016 03:54 (three years ago) link

it's a great album. jsut doesn't quite hit the same peaks for me, but it holds up nicely.

Neanderthal, Monday, 5 December 2016 04:11 (three years ago) link

I don't like the production on Perserverance. Not enough oomph, vocals too high in the mix.

chap, Monday, 5 December 2016 11:43 (three years ago) link

five months pass...

I can never find this damn thread, lol

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Sunday, 21 May 2017 15:12 (two years ago) link

I love that on Individual Thought Patterns, as catchy and techy as the album is, there are some pummeling Leprosy-esque riffs lurking around the corner periodically.

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Sunday, 21 May 2017 15:13 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Chuck never really lost that Death were a metal band, even when he get all proggy.

On the opposite end of the spectrum of Death, I am listening to Scream Bloody Gore and it is still faaaaantastic.

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 6 August 2017 09:54 (two years ago) link

fuck yessssssss

Neanderthal, Sunday, 6 August 2017 12:12 (two years ago) link

I listened to Symbolic while jogging a few times in the last few months. lol @ me but also it ruled.

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 01:09 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

When I was in 9th grade, I was walking the halls between classes. I noticed there was a wide open locker with nothing in it except the cassette of Scream Bloody Gore.

I took it home and listened to "Regurgitated Guts" and "Zombie Ritual" over and over.

That album was meant to come into my life that day, and it has never left (though I seem to listen to it exclusively on vinyl now).

― Nate Carson, Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:56 PM (ten years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is like a scene in a rpg, i love it

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 12:33 (eight months ago) link

would prob be between human and symbolic for me now

couldn't choose between them though. every riff on human is the best riff i've ever heard, especially if it's a riff in the song "secret face"

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 12:41 (eight months ago) link

all those relapse remasters of the catalog sound phenomenal

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 21 March 2019 11:31 (eight months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Just happened to see the Death By Metal documentary on amazon prime, pretty good, pretty much what you'd expect, amazing how much confidence Chuck's mother had in him from the beginning.
Maybe I'm misinterpreting things but it seemed like there was a possibility that he was going to do clean vocals later on but he seemed to be fed up with singing and maybe his vocals would have become a rarity if he had lived.
Looks like he blew some things out of proportion, like being sold as a death metal band when he was feeling restricted by those expectations.

Then bookmarked a bunch of documentaries I'd never heard of (Pentagram, L7, female metal vocalists doc, Barclay James Harvest)

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 12 April 2019 20:09 (eight months ago) link

two months pass...

Enjoyed the documentary. Also, I've spent three decades mispronouncing Chuck Schuldiner's last name. Anyone else?

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 1 July 2019 03:06 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

I spent most of the running time listening for a mention of his surname but didn't hear one! I've always pronounced it Shooldinner (Schooldinners lol) - is that wrong?

I thought the documentary was fine if kinda plodding. I was wondering why I'd not seen Death back in the day as I saw most of the big hitters at the time. So now I know. Were his mental health issues that well known at the time?

If I'd wanted anything from the documentary, I'd have liked a bit more focus on the music. A little musicology goes a long way but something a bit more on how he constructed the music, how he transitioned from the bludgeon of the early records to the more technical stuff, how they managed that in the studio etc etc.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 10:35 (four months ago) link

Yeah, I would have enjoyed hearing some more about that too, but as music documentaries go, I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. It doesn't insult the intelligence of the average death metal fan. Paul Masvidal conspicuously absent from the interviews. I assumed there was some beef, but Paul did those tribute shows, so who knows.

His name was pronounced in the doc when someone--I think it was Steve Digiorgio--refers to Chuck's mom as "Mrs. Schuldiner." I've always said "SHULL-dinn-ur" but I guess it's pronounced "shul-DEEN-ur?"

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 11:12 (four months ago) link

It does seem he gave plenty of people the right to be permanently pissed off with him. Sean Reinert still seems pretty raw about things. Gene Hoglan seems more sanguine but it's clearly there.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 13:24 (four months ago) link

Yep. I was actually impressed by how diplomatic Reinert came off in the interview in light of Chuck's seemingly passive aggressive way of dealing with band personnel. But I'm a Cynic fanboy, so of course I'd think that.

Best thing about the doc is that the filmmakers realized they didn't need to explain the entire history of death metal. Clearly, this film was made for people who were already fans, which I appreciated, despite the fact that it probably limited the appeal of the film somewhat. There's nothing worse, to me, in music documentaries, when they begin with 25 minutes of, say, "bebop is an offshoot of the American art form know as jazz..."

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 14:03 (four months ago) link

I don't recall if I gave this the one vote for Spiritual Healing or not.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 23:28 (four months ago) link

I was assuming it was me, to be honest. That was my first Death album so I've always stood behind it, even though they have other albums that are arguably better.

☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 8 August 2019 12:14 (four months ago) link

four months pass...

Sound of Perseverance is such a high note that they went out on. I know some folk don't like it as much. my only qualm with it is Chuck's voice, which was usually this powerful, throaty, death-rattle, seems more like Sebastian Bach shrieks at times.

100 Percent That Grinch (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 December 2019 05:01 (two days ago) link

"Painkiller" vocals are pretty amazing.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 14 December 2019 05:18 (two days ago) link

yeah it was interesting hearing him attempt clean vocals for the first time.

at the time I got TSOP I had only gotten Painkiller a year earlier so I was mega excited about the cover.

100 Percent That Grinch (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 December 2019 05:32 (two days ago) link

I do find it interesting that (for me at least), the more progressive they got, the easier the individual riffs got to play.

100 Percent That Grinch (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 December 2019 05:33 (two days ago) link

holy fuck, listening to the Painkiller cover for the first time in decades, I forgot how good his falsetto sounded

100 Percent That Grinch (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 December 2019 05:44 (two days ago) link

also cool that they didn't recreate the Priest solos but added their own

100 Percent That Grinch (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 December 2019 05:47 (two days ago) link


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