Is THE LODGER David Bowie's best record?

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thread title always reminds me of this... from the john peel quotes thread:

As Sonic Youth's "Silver Rocket" fades out..
"I love the way they come romping in with all that feedback in the middle - just like The Pink Floyd."

― everything, Tuesday, October 26, 2004 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Need a companion thread: Is LODGER Alfred Hitchcock's best film?

this thread title is legendary, never change imo

it says literally everyone is fallible, including the person i tend to think isn't

I Agree with Alex in New York: Sure, Lodger is cool and all, but Diamond Dogs is a much more interesting record...and a helluvalot more fun.

― Lord Custos, Saturday, May 11, 2002 8:00 PM

yeah no

this has been a great episode of the lodgers

Lodger is way better than diamond dogs..DD is one of my least favourites aside from 1984

Oh Shearwaters cover is alltime, what is the song where the mic stand collapses? One of my favorite performances for capturing the spirit of a performance. I think he said like "everyone was going so hard and right, I couldn't stop."

Now I'm listening to my rip, I think it's Red Sails.

Nope Look Back in Anger for sure. Sorry, I love the hell out of this and still forgot.

Fuck they rule imo, tho I'm a bit up and down on their discography.

this thread title is legendary, never change imo

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, September 29, 2017 2:26 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's of a piece with are "tim machine" the best thing david bowie ?

Visconti's new mix is...interesting. Lots of little background things are now clearly audible and some things that used to fight for space with Bowie's vocals (i.e Belew's guitar) have been toned down. Sucks the bass/low end seems murky and way too boosted but Dennis Davis is nicely prominent on some of the tracks. What a beast of a drummer.

irl lol at are "tim machine" the best thing david bowie ?

suddenly he break into mouth singing
"time machine! time machine!".

Lodger is great but honestly Bowie has at least 5-6 albums that are wall to wall classic and all in different ways picking just one seem impossible

Kinda weird to see Scary Monsters tacked onto the Berlin trilogy.. Kinda puts a cap on the classic era i guess. I'd love a straight up Berlin trilogy box with studio detritus and stuff..

Well firstly, "Berlin trilogy" has always been a bit of a stupid name for those three albums, and secondly I don't see that period of Bowie's work as being confined to just those three albums. For me, Station to Station up to Scary Monsters is the run. Low and "Heroes" are often cited as being an influence on post-punk/new wave/new romantic, but Station to Station's paranoid funk was just as influential. I can particularly hear Station to Station as being an influence on the likes of Telekon and Empires and Dance.

Yeah I think of station to station through scary monsters as a group

Eno trilogy then.

wow totally disagree, what's "stupid" about it, though?

Those three albums are of a piece

The two that bookend them don't fit as well

Totally stupid

Turrican you need to get better weed, dude

Another vote for Station to Station through Scary Monsters as a group.

Scary Monsters artwork even references the 3 that proceed it. It's sort of the denouement, a summation in a more "mature" but accessible format hinting at the hits to come (for better or worse).

Station to Station is the transition.

wow totally disagree, what's "stupid" about it, though?

― brimstead, Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:47 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Those three albums are of a piece

The two that bookend them don't fit as well

Totally stupid

― brimstead, Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:48 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Turrican you need to get better weed, dude

― brimstead, Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:49 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Low was made in France and Los Angeles, and Lodger was made in Switzerland and New York, and yes the two either side do bookend them very well. If I'd included Let's Dance, you'd have a point.

Scary Monsters artwork even references the 3 that proceed it. It's sort of the denouement, a summation in a more "mature" but accessible format hinting at the hits to come (for better or worse).

Station to Station is the transition.

― dan selzer, Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:53 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yup, absolutely!

Feel mixed on the Berlin Triology title. I mean Bowie moved there in 1976 to escape drugs, so he was in a transitional period himself and it's a "state of mind". Going back to New York in 1980 lines up with the release of Scary Monsters...

It's weird how Lodger was underrated, for when I discovered rockcrit in the early '90s the Rolling Stone/Christgau claque preferred it to Low and "Heroes".

Smash Hits gave it a negative review at the time. This was before the magazine became more pop oriented post-Tennant (you'd think it would have been the other way around) ...

The Low and "The Heroes" you mean? (xp)

The correct.

It was around the time of Lodger (1979) that Bowie began framing his previous two albums as the beginning of a Berlin-centered trilogy concluding with Lodger, largely as a marketing technique to support the unusual new album.[33]

the station to the station

I've always thought the Iggy Pop album, "Idiot", is part of this sequence of albums.

Yeah, The Idiot could be considered part of the run as well, either that or a companion piece to "Heroes".

Why do I bother?

That's a very good question.

The The Idiot

I prefer Soul Mining.

i like how hard ppl are working here to make the thread title not the worst bit of the thread

certainly did my part

Bowie Berlin Trilogy vs. Fripp AOR Trilogy vs. ELP Trilogy vs. Donna Summer A Love Trilogy vs. Mahavishnu Orchestra "Trilogy" vs. Kool G Rap & DJ Polo "Trilogy of Terror" vs. Special Forces "Trilogy" vs. Trilogy "Love Me Forever or Love Me Not (The Dub of Doom Mix)" vs. Tarkus: FITE

Young Americans is the start, it's the bold change in direction that makes the later albums possible

See, I knew it wouldn't be long before someone said that and... I don't agree! While it does represent something of a clean break from what went before, and Station to Station retained one or two of its elements, stylistically I've always seen Young Americans as very much its own thing. It's much harder to make a case for Young Americans being an influence on post-punk/new wave/new romantic, and it doesn't have anywhere near the same feel as the five LP's that followed.

I hear its influence on those British soul boys of the eighties (Paul Young, Mick Hucknall).

even Orange Juice.

It is its own thing, though, I agree.

"the lodger" is a much better album title than "lodger," bowie should have thanked mark s

I don't trust Visconti's mixing/engineering ear in 2016/17 however the mix on Lodger always sounded p weird to me on vinyl anyway. admittedly none of us had decent stereos when we were staying up late listening to "red money" so I'm not sure, but...skeptical of this effort.