Is THE LODGER David Bowie's best record?

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I say YES

mark s, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wise like orang utan, that was me

mark s, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

A fine album it is, Mark, but Bowie's finest hour remains..... c00453h43v6.jpg

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Red Sails" is holy indeed, but I say Low is his best album.

Damian, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes yes both those records are good but THE LODGER has Simon House formerly fiddler in hawkwind, Bowie's BEST EVAH SINGING easy (he is not billy mackenzie but it's BLADDY CLOSE), eno on "cricket menace", the unexampled couplet "the hinterland, the hinterland/we're gonna sail to the hinterland", terrific pell-mell rhythm on every cut, and just generally a conceptual integrity in re the misery of (undrugged) sleb success which suggests he is the only star to understand the true dilemma of punk (except me obv)


mark s, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Good call. Somebody on another thread mentioned "Repetition" as the most uncharacteristic lyric he ever did - more like Bruce Springsteen than Brion Gysin. Only dud for me is "Look Back in Anger". Also "Boys Keep Swinging" is the greatest gtr solo ever, and "Move On" has the best bv's of any track ever too

dave q, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes. Lodger is Bowie's masterpiece. Interesting that it's also one of his most overlooked records, isn't it?

"Boys Keep Swinging" = freaking genius "D.J." = catchy danceable genius "Yassassin" = incredible total genius "Red Sails" = major genius "Look Back in Anger" = ASTONISHING GENIUS

Diamond Dogs is a comparative pittance. Ziggy is a joke. Low is half-finished. Station to Station is close but no cigar. Scary Monsters is a mis-step. Aladdin Sane . . . well, almost. But Lodger is just untouchable.

J, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

damn. Kind of shoots the point, dunnit?

J, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Candy's Room" = Springsteen's best song? He does Bowie = he is rescued from [whatevah]...?

mark s, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, no, no Scary Monsters is Bowies masterpiece. I remember it getting 7 stars in Record Mirror and it's totally justified. It has probably the best sequenced side one of any record ever. Lodger is great of course, but it sounds like a practise run compared to Scary Monsters.

Billy Dods, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

(7 stars out of how many?)

It is also unfairly overlooked billy dods, but I think the production/guitar sound on SM is v. extremely brittle and monochromatic and hard to get past. And the sleeve is INCREDIBLY UTTERLY TERRIBLE SURELY?

mark s, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

also his word-writing too often veers abruptly through the heart of the lousy (an area it *always* somewhat skirts)

mark s, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Lodger" is my favourite Bowie album. It is the only album I've heard where Bowie sounds as if he knows what he's singing about. I don't know why the album is so underrated. "Heroes" gets lots of praise but most of that record sounds cold, contrived and self-indulgent to me. "Low" and "Lodger" are the only albums by him that I listen to these days.

Mark Dixon, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh god, you're asking me to pick between the three Berlin albums as well as Scary Monsters -- damn near impossible.

Hmm...the one I listen to most often remains "Heroes" -- "Sons of the Silent Age," there's yer brilliance right there, that chorus, that queasy sax! Genius. "Joooooooooooooe THE LION!" I could go on.

But Lodger for all the aforementioned reasons is right on up there. Those crazy rhythms, oh yes, the way the guitars whine and buzz through the "Look Back in Anger" arrangement and the way Bowie sings "The speaker was an angel..." How "Red Money" revamps Iggy not Ziggy, how "Red Sails" just seems to immediately call to mind a hyperactive Kate Bush video from four years in the future...I could also go on.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

also isn't Scary Monsters the Earthling it's OK to like? (earthling = same subject-matter, much MUCH better songs, fanFUCKINGtastic soundscape, "looking for satellites~" = "kingdom come", "battle of britain (the letter)" = "ashes for ashes", and i reckon you can do this song-by-fckn-song)

taking sides: george murray vs gail ann dorsey

mark s, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

mark s, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I say no, but I would lose almost any argument with Mark S. I like Ziggy and Station and Aladdin better than Lodger. Maybe Heroes and Hunky Dory and Low and Young Americans too. Then again, I've not listened to Lodger in ages, and it might have got better.

Martin Skidmore, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mark S speaks well of Earthling and its qualities, he does. "Looking for Satellites" is for me easily the best song he's done in the past five, six years, and the whole album is the one I've listened to the most from that time.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

bah i am trying to find a piXoR of GAD in demon-horns and horses-tail, as per rowr perf on ToTP 1997

mark s, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

david bowie sucks. now gentle giant on the other hand...

jess, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

actually i have THE BEST OF BOWIE: 1969-74 (and the other one too, i think.) i shall find it and have a listen today while i am breaking a concrete wall with a sledghammer!!* (grrr ph33r my manly powers and the irony of listening to david bowie therein.)

(*this is not a joke.)

jess, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Will you kick the habit and shed your skin?

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

7 stars out of a possible 5. Hmm, Monochromatic maybe, but def not brittle. The drums are just huge, reminiscent of Tony Thompsons work with Chic. It's probably his densest sounding album, not a great deal of light or shade. I love the way it mages to be both (sonically) oppressive but is funny and vulnerable at the same time. Side two has a lot more space in it (that's prob why I heart side one more). And, why Fashion hasn't been sampled to death I don't know?

Yup it is a rotten sleeve, but is there a *patron* of the arts with worst taste in record sleeves. I'd go for Lodger and Ziggy as his best sleeves.

Earthling, is indeed underrated and his take on drum n'bass actually sounds amazingly fresh, while more authentic stuff from the same period (hello Roni Size, 4 Hero) sounds quite dull. I think he realised it works best as 'rock n'roll', rather than as an adjunct to jazz funk.

Billy Dods, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bowie's best singing is not on "the Lodger," though "Fantastic Planet" would is a good defense of that claim. Nevertheless, Bowie's best singing occurs on "Station to Station."

John Darnielle, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

My stepfather looks just like David Bowie
But he hates David Bowie
I think Bowie's cool
I think Lodger rules

Hunter, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think "the Idiot" is Bowie's best album, then maybe "Outside", then take your pick from one of the four: Low thru Super Creeps. (I guess "Lodger")

A Nairn, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I haven't heard Lodger, but I'll try to find it soon. I love Low and Heroes, though! The first side of Low is amongst my favorite music, in the right mood.

Ned, it's good to know Petey Gabriel is always lurking just below the level of your conscious mind.

Clarke B., Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

He's not always there, but sometimes the early make-up is. The early hairstyles, no.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm actually quite surprised Lodger has received such praise: it wouldn't feature in my top5 Bowie albums, but Boys Keep Swinging is good. For listenability, Hunky Dory is easily the best, side one of Low is close to perfection, and there's something so gloriously twisted and paranoid about Scary Monsters that it would have to be in my top 3. Salute the man.

Shane Murphy, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Lodger' has the best sleeve of any Bowie record. It spawned the best tribute album in the form of Talking Heads' 'Fear of Music'. I love its travelogue theme (hmm, perhaps it also spawned the Human League's 'Travelogue'?) and its eclectic avant pop stylings, although the same quality can give it the feel of a supermarket food court or theme park: do you want to Turkish flavour of 'Yassassin' or the 'Errol Flynn in the South China Sea' vibe of 'Red Sails'? Do you want the avant-griot chunder of 'African Night Flight' or the Berlin bar-room piano of 'DJ'? But I guess that's PoMo PoMo PoMo fo yo.

I love it to death, although I hear the rot of 'Tonight' and 'Never Let Me Down' setting in with the Iggy re-annexation strategy of 'Red Money', which is far inferior to 'Sister Midnight'.

'Scary Monsters' was a disappointment for me at the time (I now love Side 1) because it seemed calculatedly populist and somewhat anti-modernist. Then we got Chic and 'David Bowie Straight', and everything after that was a disappointment, so you got used to it. I've just read the lyrics to his new single, and it seems like more of the same thing, but I don't really expect much any more, sigh.

He is still the most beautiful, wise and charming man on the planet, muse or no muse.

Momus, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Perhaps a re-annexation strategy like you say, but still, there's something about the way he sings "Project cancelled" and then the way he overdubs the "Re-e-e-e-e-d" part that thrills me. Mmm...think I'll have to listen to this tomorrow!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I Agree with Alex in New York: Sure, Lodger is cool and all, but Diamond Dogs is a much more interesting record...and a helluvalot more fun.

Lord Custos, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

i like the camp william burroughs as acknowledged/overt content on lodger, although i pretty much hate wsburroughs and his stupid little cult

lodger breaks the morbid depression of side-2-low and the depressed fucked-up mess that is heroes

lodger creeps up on the listener -- no concessions to kiddy rock'n'roll -- instead elimination of lyrical abiguity (finally) and instrumental arrangement to match these real songs -- an adult record

maybe even honest ? what with bowie squeezed behind a shop window on the cover -- i can do without the "i'm an international phenomena" thing, though i guess that is central

scary monsters seemss a stab in the same direction but more attempt to rock and more of the old "hey i'm weird" theatrics -- at least he tries a whole lot of different approaches with different musos, so i approach monsters on a song by song basis whereas lodger stands up as an album

the only decent "concept album" from a guy who supposedly is the concept album guy -- it's as if bowie grew up here -- pity the creative run was so brief -- both monsters and lodger he'd kind of learnt to work with eno and then with others without letting them dominate

yeah, pity about all the rest -- let's face it -- either bowie is a bygone '70s culture thing since the cracks were showing by the '80s, or these few late '70s records were the best a guy with resouces and advice to burn could come up with in his 35 years as rock star

George Gosset, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Did anyone know the very interesting fact that Bowie's own favourite Bowie album is The Lodger? Does that clinch the argument for mark s?

Johnathan, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah, david bowie, whateva

Josh, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

johnathan, i didn't know that: i don't think it's much of an indicator, usually

mark s, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I must get myself a copy of Lodger, and I must listen to my copy of Scary Monsters more! My favourites are Hunky Dory, where the vocals/lyrics have more thoughtfulness and strong feeling than on any other, and Low, his musical (non-vocal) peak: first side the most perfect synth-rock songs ever, second side wonderfully weird ambient. And he seems to be in such an interesting mood - a bit depressed but not gloomy, very un-glam, just being himself, letting the music communicate his true feelings. Don't like Station to Station much because musically it sounds like stale and boring disco- rock to me, and the singing is so damn cold. Ziggy is a classic of course, but a bit silly.

Keith McDougall, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

'true feelings'

Josh, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

David Jonezzz best moment was "I dig everything" on Pye. It all went downhill fast after that.

nathalie, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ned: Do you have any idea how long I looked for music by Sam Therapy and King Dice after hearing that song? The Berlin trilogy stands as a extended statement of my existence at 15-16. They're all fantastic.

Answering this thread is impossible. I can tell you that I don't much care for Pin-Ups because I like the originals too much, or that Black Tie, White Noise grates on me, because Bowie can't play sax well in a traditional sense, but picking a favorite Bowie anything is impossible.

matthew m., Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do you have any idea how long I looked for music by Sam Therapy and King Dice after hearing that song?

Heh. "BABY BABY BABY I'll never let you go..."

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hell yeah.

under japanese influence; honor at stake, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Lodger is pretty darn good and the culmination of his art-rock period, it's the equal of Hunky Dory I guess (the best of his glam-rock IMO). I've alwyas thought it was a shame he didn't have a similar evolution in his pop phase, Let's Dance was a wonderful start but the albums after that get worse rather than better. It's probably not cool but I think "Let's Dance" & "China Girl" are among his best songs.

g, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Sons of the Silent Age" is perfect. What production! What lyrics! What singing! The whole album is pretty nice. I like Lodger, find it to be full of good ideas, and the album as a whole makes a strong impression... I find many of the songs taken on their own aren't that compelling however.

Sean, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Best Bowie song? word: Rubberband.

I think "Outside" and "Earthling" are as good as "Lodger." His best album is "Station to Station."

Brent, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
good thread.

I think I'm w/ mark s. The guitar lover in me will always love Man Who Sold the World, but in my heart of hearts I know Lodger is his best. Many good points made above, mark re DB's singing, dave re "Boys Keep Swinging" (Belew's studio debut! already sounding like Fripp), Momus re the travelogue quality. The imaginative syncretisms really make this one stand out. I like the way he slides in more classicist elements as well - like the way the piano softly, briefly switches to double time on the chorus to "Fantastic Voyage" (probably my favorite Bowie song), or the New Orleans bass line under the chorus of "Boys Keep Swinging".

Awesome record.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 23:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Young Americans?

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't get the people who say 'Lodger' is DB's best sleeve. I hate it, like 'Blonde on Blonde''s, cos I don't know which way up to put it. 'Diamond Dogs' is good cos it's horizontal. (None of this will make sense to people who only buy CDs.) (Maybe some others.)

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link

So what other artist has had such a burst of creativity in the space of just a few years ("Low" through "Lodger" and the Iggy records, too) that influenced so many artists? "Lodger" certainly is a killer, but for some reason, I'm in the "Station To Station" camp for his best ever, his only album so good that Bowie himself can barely remember making it, which is either a sign of musical greatness or of superior cocaine. Or both.

Erick H (Erick H), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link

So what other artist has had such a burst of creativity in the space of just a few years that influenced so many artists? - um, what other 'influential' artists haven't?

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 01:59 (nineteen years ago) link

The new box set is enough of a shambles that its spawned a 200+ page Steve Hoffman Forum thread. I read it all. In the end, I guess I like my shitty pirate FLACs taken from pristine original vinyl.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 6 October 2017 02:48 (five years ago) link

agreed, lol

sleeve, Friday, 6 October 2017 03:00 (five years ago) link

I've almost never been interested in a remaster even when it's objectively "better" or "truer to the original intent" or even "fixed a clearly fucked up original release" of anything that I've grown up with.

dan selzer, Friday, 6 October 2017 03:05 (five years ago) link

Yeah, I'm pretty much the same, although there have been exceptions. Not that remixes/remasters can't be revelatory, but generally an album as originally released is "the original" for me.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 6 October 2017 05:53 (five years ago) link

There are remasters that I have thanked the stars above for and ones I've abhorred. With Bowie, I have to say I'm glad i dug around the Hoffman board on that subject because for the most part I like the original wave of cd masterings better than the ryko and WAY better than the emi remasters. Have not sufficiently listened to the recent box set series

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, 6 October 2017 14:23 (five years ago) link

I bought the ‘ANCIANT’ box, volume drop on “Horoes” aside i’ve not noticed anything that was problematic for me. Like the sound of the new master of ‘Low’ and the new mix of ‘Lodger’, but these are not albums I have long held relationships with/ impressions of, plus I’ve not been doing a/b comparisons on every note.

michaellambert, Friday, 6 October 2017 14:38 (five years ago) link

Hoffmann-y Post Of The Day: The German RCA versions of The Berlin Trilogy are beeeeeyooootiful. Nothing's boosted or lowered, sound clear and powerful when they need to.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 6 October 2017 19:25 (five years ago) link

is that vinyl or CD?

sleeve, Friday, 6 October 2017 19:26 (five years ago) link


Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 6 October 2017 20:12 (five years ago) link

Re: The Lodger, I do like it when '60s musicians call Cream "The Cream."

dinnerboat, Friday, 6 October 2017 20:31 (five years ago) link

Xpost yes those are the ones I'm referring to. All you have to do is turn up the volume level and they blaze to life.

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, 6 October 2017 20:41 (five years ago) link

lodger is a much better title than "the lodger", the former is more mysterious.. more jamais vu

brimstead, Saturday, 7 October 2017 01:29 (five years ago) link

i have about zero interest in people going back and remixing old stuff, unless it was never released or properly mixed in the first place... even then it depends.

brimstead, Saturday, 7 October 2017 01:31 (five years ago) link

some of the best bowie back up vocals on this song

Week of Wonders (Ross), Saturday, 7 October 2017 01:41 (five years ago) link

very quick first impression on a very quick cursory listen comparing both the lodgers on apple music...some cases the newfound bass (allowance for bass) makes things seem muddier, but when it works it makes it sound fresh and powerful.

dan selzer, Saturday, 7 October 2017 03:01 (five years ago) link

those poor, poor Ryko bonus tracks... nowhere to be found on this new box

absolutely brutal comments regarding sound quality here:

Haha holy shit I literally cannot believe this got soundchecked. There is no WAY someone checked the files and said "yes the first re-release of these albums in decades and this is how I want it to sound"

they cut ordinary 96/24 overcompressed files on vinyl and call it original master tapes, funny guys.

sleeve, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:05 (five years ago) link

Yeah was reading about it here Fair play to Parlophone for agreeing to replace the discs, but how nobody thought that the 'volume drop' was acceptable on Bowie's signature song on a prestige box set is astonishing. about 2'48 about 0'37

Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:29 (five years ago) link

Record companies kinda need to stop using mastering engineers that have been listening to loud music in rooms since 1970

MaresNest, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:30 (five years ago) link

Having heard the new Lodger mix, I think I'll just stick woth the original - Visconti did a great job on Blackstar, but the original mix of Lodger suits the record.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:49 (five years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Having raved about Shearwater's song-by-song cover of this album upthread, I just wanted to give a heads up that they are playing the whole Berlin trilogy live over three nights in NYC next month, with special guest Carlos Alomar!

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Thursday, 20 September 2018 11:23 (four years ago) link

lol i misread that as bongwater for a moment

mark s, Thursday, 20 September 2018 11:25 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

No but “African Night Flight” is the best track of the Berlin Trilogy.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 14 October 2018 05:01 (four years ago) link

I still very much see this period of Bowie music as a five album run (Station to Station to Scary Monsters) rather than as a trilogy.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Sunday, 14 October 2018 09:01 (four years ago) link

and I'd rank 'em Station to Station = Low > Lodger > "Heroes" > Scary Monsters, but they're all excellent really.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Sunday, 14 October 2018 09:06 (four years ago) link

I think Lodger was about the first current Bowie I was aware of came out when i was 11 or 12 and I know I got the Fantastic Voyage single sometime roughly around it being current, came from a newsagent 7" rack so not sure how much of a lag there was.

& my elder brother was getting heavily into Bowie sometime around then. So I was probably hearing his back catalogue from my brother's room around the time.
Do like a lot of it.

Though I think my getting more into Bowie was much longer delayed. & the first records I was buying were the mod era stuff and Images both a couple of years later.

I remember the video for Boys Keep Swinging being on TOTP which I assume must have been current to the lp. Don't remember seeing Heroes video current to it being out.
& while I can remember the Sweet being played at the time they were around in the early 70s not sure about Bowie. & i think I was watching TOTP throughout the 70s

Stevolende, Sunday, 14 October 2018 11:50 (four years ago) link

ten months pass...

Excellent piece on Boys Keep Swinging and the genesis of the Ryko bonus track, I Pray, Olé:

An interesting read on Boys Keep Swinging and the mystery of I Pray Ole

— Crayon to Crayon (@CrayonToCrayon) August 16, 2019

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 16 August 2019 21:58 (three years ago) link

And since my post was a lame retread of the tweet, I will add that there is some good stuff w Visconti (and Gabrels pissing on Visconti) in there.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 16 August 2019 22:05 (three years ago) link

"I Pray Ole" is a wee thing, not terrible. Its interesting how Bowie gets credit for playing all guitars.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 August 2019 22:41 (three years ago) link

I love that literally nobody seems to have any idea where it came from.

Another interesting factoid in that article: Bowie recorded his vocal for Some Are, from the Ryko issue of Low, in 1991. That one sounds pretty consistent with the rest of Bowie’s vocals from 1976.

Has Abdulmajid’s vintage ever been confirmed? To my ears, it’s never really sounded like any of the tracks from the Berlin period.

Apropos of nothing, I kind of like the Look Back in Anger Bowie did with Gabrels.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 17 August 2019 05:14 (three years ago) link

six months pass...

Was listening to the ‘stalking time for the moonboys’ podcast and David Baddiel tore into ‘African Night Flight’ saying how bad he thought it was but it’s possibly my fave thing on it held in such low esteem?

X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Thursday, 27 February 2020 17:54 (three years ago) link

not by me

mark s, Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:03 (three years ago) link

The handful of my friends and I that own the album would rate it quite highly. Not sure how you'd even determine the consensus view.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link

that song rules, wtf

sleeve, Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:43 (three years ago) link

lads, lads, it's David Baddiel

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:48 (three years ago) link

baddiel is wrong abt everything ever and also the lodger is david bowie's best record

mark s, Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:51 (three years ago) link

so I pack a bag
and move on

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 February 2020 19:09 (three years ago) link

Not sure how you'd even determine the consensus view.

It's true, ILM hasn't polled the album yet apparently.

Miami weisse (WmC), Thursday, 27 February 2020 19:12 (three years ago) link


sleeve, Thursday, 27 February 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link

get in here, goons

Best track on David Bowie's LODGER album

sleeve, Thursday, 27 February 2020 19:30 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

Jake Shears on Lodger in his (great) Baker's Dozen on the Quietus.

David Bowie - Lodger
My three favourite Bowie albums are Lodger, Scary Monsters and Let’s Dance, and they came out in that succession. I got Lodger on cassette when I was eight and just became completely obsessed with it and listened to over and over again - it’s a record that I never get sick of. You can find some weird writing about Lodger where people can be dismissive of it - I don’t understand that at all. It opens with ‘Fantastic Voyage’ which is probably in my top three favourite David Bowie songs, ‘African Night Flight’ is so hectic and strange, and ‘DJ’ was the big single from this and ‘Look Back In Anger’ too, and ‘Boys Keep Swinging’ was the first – other than hearing Frankie Goes To Hollywood in the back of my mom’s car radio – thing that felt queer to me. ‘Relax’ had a queer energy but ‘Boys Keep Swinging’ felt almost more explicit to me, with that line “other boys check you out” and “you’ll get your share when you’re a boy’”

willem, Friday, 12 June 2020 08:18 (two years ago) link

jake shears otm

mark s, Friday, 12 June 2020 12:10 (two years ago) link

It's not my favorite Bowie album, but the people whose favorite Bowie album it is are my favorite people

handsome boy modelling software (bernard snowy), Friday, 12 June 2020 16:02 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

'Fantastic Voyage' and 'Boys Keep Swinging' famously have the same chord sequences... and perhaps inevitably, someone has put the vocals of one to the backing track of the other and vice versa:

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 19 May 2023 04:36 (one week ago) link

Didn't expect much of these, and the first one just sounds like a plodding version of Boys - nothing unexpected really happens as a result of the switch - but the second one is great, principally because of the way the bassline rubs up against the lyrics.

Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 19 May 2023 09:45 (one week ago) link

Actually I kind of love them both. Interesting!

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 19 May 2023 11:28 (one week ago) link

The laid back feel given to the vocals for 'Boys Keep Swinging' makes the lies of the lyrics more obvious - Bowie as laconic con-man selling you a heteronormative male fantasy. Kind of like Vendice Partners in a booth at the back of a cocktail bar. Maybe nearby there's Neil Tennant's character from 'Opportunities'?
The sped up vocals for 'Fantastic Voyage' are interesting, lending a more urgent feel to the lyrics. Doesn't mesh quite as well with the backing track though. It almost sounds like a punk song.

you gotta roll with the pączki to get to what's real (snoball), Friday, 19 May 2023 18:09 (one week ago) link

Blur's "M.O.R." uses the same chord progression (and had to give credit to Bowie and Eno), would be interesting to hear those vocals over these backing tracks.

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 21 May 2023 01:03 (one week ago) link

ok now where's one with both vocal tracks at the same time

ufo, Sunday, 21 May 2023 04:49 (one week ago) link

Just play the original backing track song simultaneously with the remix!

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 21 May 2023 13:25 (one week ago) link


Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Sunday, 21 May 2023 13:30 (one week ago) link

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