Kylie Minogue: Classic or Dud?

no

fwiw katherine if I were a reviewer I'd have written something almost identical to yours. You nailed it.

I agree. I can't swallow this lumpy album.

please tell this to the people telling me to die

the pre-click blurb they posted takes away from a great album write-up, regardless of having heard the album or liking/disliking it.

The Kylie vs Little Mix stuff on Twitter has been really grim on both sides and everyone involved should be embarrassed. Katherine I'm sorry this is happening to you, again, and I know it's easier said than done but you must remember that these people are entirely without merit and their performative hate is fandom theatre

sorry this is happening to you katherine :-(

people are fundamentally sadistic, it happens

"Kylie hasn’t been disco for twenty years" is certainly a hot take.

Sorry this is happening to you but think boxedjoy nailed it above with "performative hate"

jfc Katherine in case you weren't aware, they're going in on your review on the Keep It podcast today. Fucking disappointed in them all rn.

count me in on the "this is not a good album" crew
Ware > Dua > Roisin seems about right to me but, based on "Feed the Fire" and "Impact," I think SG Lewis is gonna break into the upper disco circle by the end of the year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m-J8KG8tBA

Would also argue that Selena Gomez and Azana and Ariana Grande and Simmy slot neatly and perfectly into this sound too but i'm sure i'd be outshouted

but yeah, stans gonna stan

please tell this to the people telling me to die

― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, November 18, 2020 6:05 AM (ten hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i didn't realize, sorry you have to deal with this :(

Why isn't anyone mentioning Victoria Monét's Experience -- are her disco tracks too "trad" for this context?

i loved the singles from this. i think brad has a good point about the quality of the melodies. i also think the lyrics on those two singles are perfect magic-eye palimpsests that are either the most profound thing ever or generic claptrap depending on how you look at them. classic pop lyrics. not sure how i will feel about the album - i'm kind of deflated about buying anything right now after losing all my music - but i'm going to tune out all the stan bullshit if i can when i get around to listening to it, next month i guess. *sigh*

xp I loved Moment/Dive/Jaguar/Experience/Touch Me but that EP is like 17 minutes of great music, ten minutes of filler ("we take it fast like it's fortnite"?) and imo not really on the same level as Ware or Lipa

A few groaner lyrics aside, I think the whole EP is really tight -- and if you're looking for new disco in 2020...

on Kylie's Spotify page there's a disco playlist of stuff she (or at least, her team) has curated that features Roisin, Lipa, Ware and Monet alongside some classics and it makes me want to invite her to an afterparty

jfc Katherine in case you weren't aware, they're going in on your review on the Keep It podcast today. Fucking disappointed in them all rn.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, November 18, 2020 11:16 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't know what that is but am not surprised; as I mentioned, people are fundamentally sadistic, and would stop at nothing to hurt others

I wish I knew what I did wrong besides existing

I already sent them an email apologizing but if it even gets read (the only contact was a general email address) the only outcome I expect is to be mocked even more

because that's what people do, because they are fundamentally sadistic

Why would you apologize to them? For what? For having an opinion, or for having the temerity to express it? Fuck those people and anyone who loves them.

because clearly I have done something grievously wrong? people generally don't get called out on major podcasts otherwise

There's no such thing as a "major podcast". Again I say, fuck those people and anyone who loves them.

it's hard to find details on listenership but this one seems to have a lot of it, so tens or hundreds of thousands of people now hate me, and I don't know who, and could encounter them at any time assuming they don't seek me out instead. plus, it also seems to be a political podcast, which suggests that I did something wrong that was also offensive

Well, I know how much I care about the opinions of strangers. YMMV, clearly.

I liked your review. (I couldn't make it through the album, and I wanted to, mostly due to vestigial love of Fever.)

the worst response to a callout is to dig in one's heels and assume one is right

If you surrender your aesthetic principles at the first complaint from some fucking nobody, you have none.

clearly thousands of people don't agree with that statement

also, I don't believe anyone deserves to be dismissed as "some fucking nobody," but even if I did, the hosts of a major podcast with huge listenership certainly wouldn't fit that description

it's all a game, now you're kind of notorious, try the hat on, have fun! mass media does not equate to a real relationship with a person

that's my two cents but good luck

I don't fucking want to be notorious, that is the literal opposite of what I want

You appear to be reacting to someone on a message board telling you that unnamed people disagreed with your review, on a podcast that you have not listened to; that is not anyone "calling [anyone] out", let alone anything that means you shoudl reconsider your opinion about a pop record, and a long way from anything to apologise about. To whom? For what?

it's all a game, now you're kind of notorious, try the hat on, have fun! mass media does not equate to a real relationship with a person

Exactly. You're a writer; you share your thoughts with strangers. When one of them objects, your first response should be, "Well, who the fuck are you? And who asked you?"

that is not anyone "calling (anyone) out", let alone anything that means you shoudl reconsider your opinion about a pop record, and a long way from anything to apologise about. To whom? For what?

― @oneposter (💹) (sic), Wednesday, November 18, 2020 5:04 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the podcast interviews figures like Ronan Farrow and Kimberlé Crenshaw, which suggests that it might be that, but I'm afraid to listen

Pod Save Music Criticism

I just skimmed thru it; the Pitchfork/Kylie discussion begins at 1:28.30. The discussion is really dumb, but katherine - I suggest you don't listen.

and now it's there forever

the episode description:

Ira, Louis, and Aida discuss the conservative fervor over Harry Styles wearing a dress on the cover of Vogue, the COVID season of The Bachelorette, Billie Eilish and Lil Nas X’s new videos, Twitter’s new “Fleets” feature, the Grammys, Pitchfork’s Kylie Minogue review, Obama’s A Promised Land playlist, and more. Plus, Rachel Bloom joins to discuss depicting mental health on television and her new memoir I Want to Be Where the Normal People Are.

Sounds like people riffing on pop culture that they have had exactly zero time to give any thought to, and are reacting in the moment to fill minutes.

That pretty much sums it up. Now they're going in on Obama for putting Beyoncé's "Halo" on his playlist ("real Beyoncé fans don't fuck with it... she doesn't even perform it anymore!")

this is inane shit

and now it's there forever

nobody is going to be listening to it later than this week, and the hosts have probably forgotten whatever they said already.

tbh i enjoyed Ira's MTV News podcast with Doreen St. Felix but Louis Virtel is dumb as nails so i'm not shocked by any of this (still disappointed obv)

the hosts may have forgotten it but I'll remember it for the rest of my life, and the people who listened may not remember the specifics but will remember that they dislike me

i enjoy podcasts as much as the next person but i hope that if the podcast bubble bursts, that Crooked Media goes down with it - few things would make me happier tbh

the people who listened may not remember the specifics but will remember that they dislike me

If you say so. But that brings us back to who gives a shit? If they can be made to dislike you (which I doubt) so easily, they can be made to like you just as easily. Without ever remembering that they once disliked you. These are people with the brains of parakeets.

the people who listened may not remember the specifics but will remember that they dislike me

Without listening, there's a 70% chance that none of the three hosts even mention your name, and just say "Pitchfork's review." If they do say your name, the number of people who remember it by the next sentence will be minimal. Of that contingent, the number who care about Kylie Minogue will be a much smaller subset. Of them, the number who give a shit at all whether someone gives an alright-not-great Kylie album an "alright, not great" review might be greater than 50%. Within that remaining chunk, the number who not only receive, but also hold onto, their opinions from some pop culture podcast hosts who have in all likelihood not listened to the album and read the review in full will be the square root of bugger all.

emphasis on "square" and "root" (rude)

Genuinely sorry you are going through this katherine, stan culture has a lot to fucking answer for. Those guys crank out a metric ton of podcast content and it will be buried in the noise in no time at all. I'm sure that's small comfort for you now, but 99% of the people who heard it have already moved on. I really wish you wouldn't second guess your opinion though, you have done nothing wrong and have nothing to apologize for.