Royal Trux : Classic or Dud ?

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or just an inbetweener ?

ALSO - what about harmelodics - who needs that as a justification for playing watchawant whenyawant ?

Accelerator - I think everyone loved it cause it wasn't total shite like the previous albums

Geordie Racer, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

DUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I used to like Cats n' Dogs. NEVER liked Twin Infinitives (also known as music for posers rockstar wannabe junkie art school drop outs) and, even though I thought the "aerosmithy" later album was listenable, I got bored of them. Now, I get nothing out of Cats N' Dogs except annoying attitude from self-absorbed, self-destructive, overgrown brats that think not taking showers is cool. That Aerosmithy one, though (with Ray-O-vac) is STILL okay, but rarely do I think to put it on. They annoy me. Yes.

, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

probably dud, but only because their albums are overlong - the last song on veterans of disorder (forget the name) is about 7 minutes of pretentious guitarwank which the world could have done without. i remember reading a press clipping sounding really impressed that this was neil hagerty's longest ever solo. however, at other times, they do sound on fire, it just never quite gets going enough. jennifer herrema (sp?) is, however, the coolest woman in rock. without a shadow of a doubt...


Bill, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

So very in between. I have only heard everything from Thank You and later, except for Twin Infinitives, which I didn't like at all and eventually sold (and it wasn't because it was too noisy.) They have a handful of really, really great songs ("I'm Ready," "Stevie," "Yo Se!") but all the records I have are about half tracks I skip. I get annoyed by Herrerma's singing, though I realize most people consider her some kind of rock goddess (could it be because she is beautiful?) But no way could I say either classic or dud, I'm afraid.

Mark, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

->> Erm, I love Neil Hagerty's guitar wankery, precisely on songs like "Blue is the frequency". He is a remarkable wanker.

RTX will never be classic, but it certainly isn't dud. It's one of these cult footnotes in rockunroll history. Certainly not compulsory listening, but definitely worth investigating if hard drugs, dirty hair and space boogie usually interest you. Although I have "TI", "C&D" and weird live stuff, I confess I seldom listen to them. I mostly play their recent stuff, with "Thank You" remaining their highlight. Along with the now much-scorned "Give out but don't give up" by the Scream Team 94, "Thank You" is one of my alltime fave pastiche records, a proper pop record by a duo of brilliant songwriters who rarely before had released songs as straightforward. I think it's a good thing when a band reknowned for its "difficult listening material" comes out with a set of proper tunes with hooks and a high level of "hummability". The opening cut, "A Night To Remember", is in my mind comparable to such songs as the Stones' "Rocks Off!", the aforementioned Scream's "Jailbird" and "Rocks", Suede's "Metal Mickey" or Bowie's "Watch that Man". You know, songs you play before going out (a category of songs I love, I'll post a thread about that). And that's how I like my RTX: fast rockunroll with a blond cat on a hot tin roof's raspy growl telling me I'm gonna lose.

And if your girlfriend finds your Scruffy Jenny obsession suspicious and/or maddening, then she is not a woman for you, mate.

Mr Herrema, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I like them, but still have yet to get everything in my usual compulsive way. That's probably because right now I'm more interested in buying up every last No-Man related release, for instance.

My favorite moment of theirs is from that video of theirs where Jennifer acts sexy and semi-flashes the audience. It made no sense at all, it was the visual equivalent of "Pick 'em and Flick 'em" by the Melvins. *BOUM...BOUMMMMMMM...wheedlewheedlewheedle* Er, anyway.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Best rock band ever. But I've said that in almost every thread on ILM ;) 'Twin Infinitives', 'Royal Trux', 'Cats & Dogs' and 'Accelerator' are bona fide classics. And everyone probably loved Accelerator because 'Liar' has the greatest riff ever. Needless to say a typical love em or hate em band (never sing in sync, Neil plays too many notes, Jennifer is the strangest sex symbol in pop history, erratic live shows). So Supa CLASSIC!

Omar, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think they are just slightly worse than a Yo-La Tengo live performance (ie the Garage 1998) so pretty noisy and tuneless.

james edmund L, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

God, that was short Omar ;). I was expecting an essay when I saw this thread. Classic anyway, although I only have "Thank You" which is fantastic. Great, great, guitar sound. Anyone heard Haggerty's solo album?

Dr. C, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Hahaha...well if you could collect all the words I've written on Royal Trux on ILM you would get that essay ;) I can't be arsed to climb on a soapbox anymore and start praising a band that obviously is not to everyone's taste. The negative outcome of this c-o-d comes as no surprise since I've only met 3 people in my life who love Royal Trux, 2 who worked at the same record-shop I'm a regular customer of (and not counting the ones who where at the blinding gig they once played in Amsterdam, probably all critics ;)

Omar, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
I remember when I just didnt get Royal Trux. They were so way out and Jennifer usually just stood there and smoked and didnt say/sing a word while Neil shot his wad on guitar. It seemed all made up at the moment and straight out of a bong to boot. It was 1993 when I got to see them three nights in a row in Chicago at Lounge Ax for a Drag City festival. They played the same 'list' every night but in TOTALLY different ways. They were deconstructing their own music and songs with little to no effort. The songs remaned the same but the forms were totally different, as if there was a subconscience map they were following. It totally blew my mind. They were HUGE! The totally burned. They were Blue Cheer. It was amazing. I have seen them in the last few years and they seem to have locked into a loud boogie blues rock thing that seems pretty simular from night to night. Maybe the drugs DID keep them open ended and hungry.

Mark, Sunday, 30 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Official RTX lore says they were not on drugs in '93. More recent relatively-straight boogie rock phase was, I reckon, to do with the rhythm section who played on the final few tours and the 'Pound For Pound' LP. But Jen and Neil were still doing crazy shit!

joel, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...
Yeah, I have recently seen Neil play with his solo band and he is defiantly back to the open-ended crazy shit. Two drummers, both almost totally unaware of each other.. And a stand up bass that never really cut through the mess (and by mess I mean 'good, crazy, wicked mess). It took effort to see his genius during the live show that is more evident on the LPs. Check out the Drag City Super Sessions LP where Neil takes the helm over his songs, Smog’s' and Edith Frost's. His vision shines bright over all the songs and the LP is arguably HIS recor

Mark, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Total Classic, or Total Dud, sometimes in the same song.
Their last three (real, not Hand of Glory) albums were some of the best rock albs of the 90s. Unless Pound For Pound was 2000, which I think it might have been. Come ON, "Sunshine & Grease", "Dr. Gone" fucking awesome and anyone who doesn't think so should be tied to a pillar of salt in Caribou Country.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Totally agree. The last three albums are a trilogy on the theme of Great Rock Music. Jennifer channeling Bob Dylan on Coming Out Party is a beautiful thing. But destroy beyond recognition Twin Infinitives and "harmelodics". Has anyone heard Weird War, what's that like?

Paula G., Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Weird War is far more Svenonius (sp?) than Hagerty (sp? jeez, I'm dopey today). It's cheap thrills, a touch more exciting than Ian's David Candy alb.
For Neil's post-RT work, I like his two (or three if you count the Sabbath cover) Drag City Supersession songs best. There's some good stuff on both his solo albs, but I think one of the big things with him is who he's playing with brings out different things in him.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link

hah, dq to thread!!

geeta, Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:06 (sixteen years ago) link

hand of glory is not a real album?

zemko (bob), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link's album *length* anyway. But it's only two "songs" that seem to be just a lot of unfinished meanderings spliced together. I think it's stuff recorded over a lot of years in the late 1980s, in other words not made as *an album* but patched together as something for them to sell post-breakup. Maybe its better than I make it out, I only heard someone else's copy of it. But it sounded like more Twin Infinitives crap.

Paula G., Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:38 (sixteen years ago) link

I like the SONG stuff.
The OTHER stuff, I can get into sometimes, but when they're doing rock songs, that's my favourite.
Hand of Glory is just OTHER stuff. No songs. Just stuff. Either you're into it or you aren't. Unless you're really not into, then you'll hate it.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:41 (sixteen years ago) link

i have thankyou, and might i say that it sucks the shit out of a horses ass.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 24 January 2003 00:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Horace: the first Royal Trux album (self-titled, not the one with the skulls) is a flawless *synthesis* of "song" and "stuff". Check it out sometime.

harman, Friday, 24 January 2003 01:37 (sixteen years ago) link

classic except for "hand of glory". everything else owns, and as it happens, the ones i liked least when they came out ("sweet 16" and "veterans") are now my favorites.

mosurock (mosurock), Friday, 24 January 2003 07:41 (sixteen years ago) link

'Veterans of Disorder' is one of the greatest albums ever made, like if Primal Scream (or any other UK band) were 'about' music-qua-music

dave q, Friday, 24 January 2003 10:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Didn't Primal Scream dedicate an alb to the Trux?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 24 January 2003 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I've heard a couple of things from 'veterans..' and 'accelerator...' and as nice as the riffs are, or as wasted as the singing sounds it kind of felt to me that I wouldn't really get into a full record of it. That feeling was enough to put me off until I got round to buying 'twin infinitives' last week after that royal trux vs afghan whigs thread.

I like it lots => pretty! Bunch of skeletal fragments put together to make into an incredibly coherent mess of a record.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:30 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, I've seen a lot of slagging of that album lately. I love Twin Infinitives.

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:11 (fifteen years ago) link


If you arent feeling a certain album of theirs, there will be a point in your life when you will.

I think they are the only band who's catalog I've completly sold off...only to buy it back later.


ddb, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link

I've been listening to the self titled recently. It's great!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:28 (fifteen years ago) link

duh. Greatest rock and roll band of all time. No contest.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:42 (fifteen years ago) link

i really don't like royal trux. thankyou is the only one i have. i only listened to it once, and realised that i would never ever enjoy it, no matter how hard i tried. i like the ballad "stevie" which is off accelerator, i think, but i'm still saying dud. i've always meant to pick up a copy of "twin infinitives" though, out of curiosity more than anything.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link

If ever there was a group who ran 180-degrees against the prevailing ILM aesthetics (you know, Anglophilia; the people who accuse others of being "rockist" ... ), then RTX were/are it.

Did RTX create much of an impact in Britain? I really have no idea. It seems to me that most of their references and signifiers, not to mention their evocations, would be lost on a British audience. Or if RTX did in fact make an impression in the UK, I have a strong feeling that they were received and understood as far more exotic and inscrutable (or pretentious, if you like) than they actually were.

Anyway, at this stage I'm more convinced than ever that RTX were among the greatest bands in rock & roll history, and are gradually being recognized as such.

kjoerup, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 00:49 (fifteen years ago) link

See the thing is its that rock n'roll-ness of the band that put me off. Twin Infinitives is more artful.

More art, less rock thx!

When 'accelerator' came out I remember a 'wow they are back!'-type reaction from the press at the time, people seemed to be glad.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 08:55 (fifteen years ago) link

simon reynolds loved royal trux. he wrote about them in the melody maker at least once.

a, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 10:22 (fifteen years ago) link

accelerator and veterand of disorder totally blew my mind when they came out. it was mad, unpredictable rock and roll at its best. and i still love those records (much more than thank you, btw, which is only ok to me). but accelerator... oh my...

joan vich (joan vich), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 14:41 (fifteen years ago) link

are their reference points really that inscrutable to UK audiences? The Stones seem to loom the largest in RTX's universe.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Royal Trux played the worst show I ever saw. We saw them out at the back of The Garage afterwards and my friend Ben shouted at them for it.

Thank You is terrible, though.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link

i got twin infinitives tonight because of this thread. cheap & used & FUCKING AWESOME. it's gonna take me weeks to make sense of this album.

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 27 May 2004 06:44 (fifteen years ago) link

it's a classic, but Thank You is the masterpiece.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:19 (fifteen years ago) link


Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:22 (fifteen years ago) link

NO ACTUALLY IT'S "SINGLES, LIVE, UNRELEASED". That record just beats everything ever in the right mood.

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:22 (fifteen years ago) link

I only have Thank You, but for faux-Stones with the weirdness cranked up a few notches there is none better. (I'll get the rest eventually when I find them at less extortionate prices!) I love that they could freely talk about harmolodics, and star in their own comic book.

Hayden Nicholls (Pop the Weasel), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link

four months pass...
I've purchased Pound for Pound, Veterans of Disorder, and Thank You within the past couple of weeks and now Royal Trux is the only music I want to listen to. What should I do?

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Accelerator, my friend.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Accelerator is one of the best.

steve hise, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:20 (fourteen years ago) link

they are good aren't they nick?!?!

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Is Royal Trux noize?

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link

if not, i don't know what noize is

(ok, wolf eyes or some shit, but then who cares?)

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, Neil Michael Hagerty & the Howling Hex double album (I haven't heard any of the ltd ed records, pity me!) kicks ass and is the best of his three wide-release (har har) post RTX albs. Though lately, I've been getting into the first one again. "Creature Catcher" is wonderful.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Does Soundscan track all sales? There may be indie store sales missing, which could be a decent additional percentage for Royal Trux but it’d be the same for other artists highlighted so all relative.

michaellambert, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:20 (two months ago) link

Also mail order sales via Drag City (which is how I was buying DC product for a period, though I imagine it doesn't account for a massive % of sales)

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:26 (two months ago) link

And yes, I'm also surprised specifically that Bill Calla-who? outsells RTX

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:29 (two months ago) link

I'm amazed to see Bill Callahan is playing Edinburgh's Usher Hall this year, which holds 2,200.

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 22:14 (two months ago) link

Soundscan, like any sales tracking in this world, is imperfect.
That said, we're comparing their Soundscan to other band's Soundscan #s, so, it's illuminating even if just in relation.

(Pop Tatari scanned around 11k btw)

mr.raffles, Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:15 (two months ago) link

For Pussy Galore related artists, they did way better than Action Swingers!
Decimation Blvd. sold less than 750.

(that record is p cuckoo - every song sounds exactly alike and they mostly start off in the exact same way)

mr.raffles, Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:22 (two months ago) link

Please look up The Red Krayola’s Amor and Language (Drag City) and Run On’s Start Packing (Matador)

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:33 (two months ago) link

Haha, pretty sure I bought "Cats & Dogs" on cassette the week it came out, and to date it's the only Royal Trux I ever owned.

I saw a crazy Run On bill c. "Start Packing." It was Elliott Smith (solo) opening for Run On opening for Will Oldham (solo). I wonder how many records Palace, etc. has sold?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:53 (two months ago) link

I was just wondering about Palace, as a comparison point. I’m still flummoxed by those Trux numbers.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:56 (two months ago) link

It makes it all the more remarkable that Virgin signed them for a 3-album deal... their sales leading up to that were like a rounding error to a major label.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:58 (two months ago) link

How many copies of Bleach did Nirvana sell before they were signed to DGC?

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Thursday, 9 May 2019 04:59 (two months ago) link

...and iirc, Nevermind initially shipped 50k (all without "Endless Nameless")

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 9 May 2019 06:01 (two months ago) link

I really don't think those Royal Trux numbers could possibly be correct.

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 9 May 2019 14:06 (two months ago) link

where is sic when we need him? surely he would have input here

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 9 May 2019 14:09 (two months ago) link

any truxters here ever tried decrypting the song arrangements of Kool Down Wheels or Yin Jim? I'm a big Infinitives nerd and those songs bog my mind. No clue if there's like an obscured structure behind the haze or if it's intentionally drunk.

trux tracker (edges), Thursday, 9 May 2019 14:44 (two months ago) link

They are correct. Via Soundscan. Just US though, not international.

Amor and Language is just over 600.
Run On just over 1300.

Palace did 20-30K on their biggest, topping out at 29-32K with There Is No One... and Days In the Wake.

mr.raffles, Friday, 10 May 2019 00:03 (two months ago) link

Maybe it's real! it is really strange to scroll through a bunch of Royal Trux tracks on Youtube and see about 100 views. It is crazy to think about the roster of early Drag City! I mean I guess it's not crazy, lots of labels started obtuse and stayed obtuse and just never became what Drag City became I guess

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 10 May 2019 00:30 (two months ago) link

So did sales of Palace and Pavement CDs effectively subsidize the cost of releasing stuff that only sold a few hundred copies?

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 10 May 2019 00:36 (two months ago) link

Man, I haven't thought about Decimation Boulevard in forever. That was indeed an interesting record.

timellison, Friday, 10 May 2019 02:08 (two months ago) link

I've brought this up on a few threads, but iirc it took 25 years for Never Mind the Bollocks to go platinum in the US. 25 years, for one of the most iconic, written-about bands and (major label!) albums of all time! I can only imagine what Big Star has sold, or Eno records, or the VU., or the Ramones, etc.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 May 2019 02:11 (two months ago) link

I don't really know how to type this in any tone that isn't an Eeyore voice but... I don't think that is what the future has in store for Royal Trux

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 10 May 2019 02:28 (two months ago) link

Now I’m wondering how many copies were sold of the REALLY obscure-seeming records that I love.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 10 May 2019 02:57 (two months ago) link

@morisp - ask!

So many of these records (Decimation Blvd. included) got played daily for months at the warehouse that I worked at back then that they all seemed like big hits to me. I hated a lot of them at the time, but now they're warm memories. haha Color me as surprised as anyone else with the low numbers!

Even Crunt (3.6K) was almost as popular as Royal Trux!
All those Didjits records back then sold 1-3K.
Looks like their popularity was most similar to Gastr Del Sol, who sold between 3-10K.

mr.raffles, Friday, 10 May 2019 02:59 (two months ago) link

oops - morrisp

mr.raffles, Friday, 10 May 2019 03:00 (two months ago) link

Yeah it’s always fascinating to see sales figures for bands like this.

I think part of the thing that makes RT sales seem lower than you might think is how divisive they were/are. Like despite how much thy were written & talked about, even among the niche group of people who know them, doesn’t mean that they all actually them (& like them enough to buy records, at that)

One Eye Open, Friday, 10 May 2019 03:10 (two months ago) link

*”they all actually like them”, that is

One Eye Open, Friday, 10 May 2019 03:11 (two months ago) link

Mr. Raffles — how about:

Kissyfur, Frambuesa (Starlight Furniture Co., 1995)
Chevy Heston, S/T (Cherrydisc, 1994)
Lync, These Are Not Fall Colors (K Records, 1994)

Btw, were most small record stores truly participating in SoundScan by the mid-‘90s? Could there be a whole strata of mom & pop, college-town sales not being captured by these numbers? Just curious...

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 10 May 2019 03:40 (two months ago) link

Other weird ones... Laughingstock looks like superstar sales compared to this, at +60K, while Bark Psychosis Hex sold 1/10th as well. Laughingstock even beat At Action Park by 10K... I'd bet that Shellac was in the lead there until at least the least 90s though. At least going by the record stores I was working at.

mr.raffles, Friday, 10 May 2019 03:46 (two months ago) link

"Btw, were most small record stores truly participating in SoundScan by the mid-‘90s? Could there be a whole strata of mom & pop, college-town sales not being captured by these numbers? Just curious..."

100%. Soundscan was only ever an approximation. Since not everybody reported, certain stores would be weighted differently in the hopes that would get things closer to the actual number. Again though, the numbers certainly tell a tale in relation to other artists.

Kissyfur - around 100
CH - over 150
Lync - 3500 or so

The Frogs - It's Only Right and Natural to Starjob all did 5-10K.

mr.raffles, Friday, 10 May 2019 04:10 (two months ago) link

So did sales of Palace and Pavement CDs effectively subsidize the cost of releasing stuff that only sold a few hundred copies?

yes! but the original idea as told to me by an early proto-Pavement band member was "they just want to sign bands they think are cool" (re: the two Dans) - so really they just lucked out with Pavement and later Palace.

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 10 May 2019 04:23 (two months ago) link

Someone said on another ILM thread that the 2 Dans were prescient in fostering artists who continue to make music today (Callahan, Jen Trux, Neil Trux, Malkmus, Oldham, Berman(?), Mantis (jk)...)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 10 May 2019 04:50 (two months ago) link

fwiw re Soundscan figures, this from an article from 1995:

Shalett makes one important concession: certain very small indie releases, albums that sell in the 15,000 to 20,000 range, might not get fairly counted in the system. "Something very, very street--like a rap record sold out of barbershops--we're not going to count fully, and we never will be able to." This may be why an album like Operation Ivy, from the Berkeley indie label Lookout (the original home of Green Day), has sold, according to Lookout's Molly Neuman, 100,000 copies over the last four years, while SoundScan has it down for only 5,000. Tiny labels that sell a disproportionate number of vinyl records, that don't use bar codes, or that do business by mail order escape SoundScan's radar as well.

also Never Mind The Bollocks took 15 years to go platinum not 25

Colonel Poo, Friday, 10 May 2019 07:15 (two months ago) link

from a UK perspective i saw royal trux play a little while after cats and dogs came out and they half filled the upstairs room in a pub

At the same time fugazi or pavement could fill the local 850 capacity venue. thee headcoats, make up, jsbx or lois maffeo could fill the pub room i saw royal trux in. palace brothers on their first uk tour probably 2/3 filled a similar room

royal trux stunk when i saw them live. i don't mean they played bad i mean they literally smelled like they hadn't bathed for a month

Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Friday, 10 May 2019 08:39 (two months ago) link

xpost 15 years, 25 years ... it took a while!

I wonder how stuff like, say, Labradford sold on Kranky? I assume Deerhunter is their top-seller? What does/did a band like Low sell?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 May 2019 11:44 (two months ago) link

This news simultaneously makes no sense and makes total sense (inasmuch as I don't know anyone irl who likes or listens to Trux who didn't have the band foisted upon them by me).

Artisanal Personality Disorder (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 May 2019 11:49 (two months ago) link

(And I was under the mistaken impression that they were terrible for quite a long time.)

Artisanal Personality Disorder (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 May 2019 11:52 (two months ago) link

royal trux stunk when i saw them live. i don't mean they played bad i mean they literally smelled like they hadn't bathed for a month


One Eye Open, Friday, 10 May 2019 12:30 (two months ago) link

I saw Trux fill good-sized clubs.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 10 May 2019 14:34 (two months ago) link

Of all the bands of that era, Trux are the one I currently like the least. I honestly think my wearing-out on them was this seemingly arbitrary canonization of Twin Infinitives, which is a bad, bad, bad album. Maybe the worst album. It’s the aural equivalent of Harmony Korine making Gummo, and while Gummo was being edited, Harmony turned on a camcorder and spent a week kicking it around the parking lot of the editing suite, and called the resultant footage “More Gummo”

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:10 (two months ago) link

Never understood the Twin Infinitives pedestal. Pretty much everything they released subsequently blows it clear out of the water.

Artisanal Personality Disorder (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:11 (two months ago) link

Or at least from Cats and Dogs on. Not crazy about the second s/t, either, myself.

Artisanal Personality Disorder (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:13 (two months ago) link

I saw Trux fill good-sized clubs.

In New York, Chicago, San Francisco or L.A.?

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:22 (two months ago) link

Yes, two of those cities.

I don’t get the “Gummo” comparison at all...

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:34 (two months ago) link

idk I've felt like Gummo and early Royal Trux share an aesthetic thesis is all

twink infinitives (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:19 (two months ago) link

I saw Pavement with Royal Trux in a (sold-out) 600-ish(?) capacity club at the height of both bands' live popularity (Wowee-Zowee/Brighten The Corners + Thank You/Sweet Sixteen):

You could move around pretty freely during the show, I took some great pics of Jen/Neil that I can't find anymore. It was about 90F+ in the club and Jen was wearing a puffy Raiders snow parka with matching Raiders snow beanie with a big pom-pom on top.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:26 (two months ago) link

Not sure how to account for my fondness for Twin Infinitives. It’s certainly unique. I like it sonically.

timellison, Friday, 10 May 2019 17:21 (two months ago) link

yeah I'm a fan as well, there are some good tunes in there (i.e. side 4, and 'Chances Are The Comets') and as you note the sound is unique

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 10 May 2019 17:25 (two months ago) link

I also think Twin Infinitives is a cool/unique album... and I'm particularly fond of the posthumous Trux release Hand of Glory, which draws from the same recordings.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 10 May 2019 18:11 (two months ago) link

heyyyy i was at the hollywood palace pavement / trux show. fun times. wasn't really familiar with royal trux and they were scary!

tylerw, Friday, 10 May 2019 18:19 (two months ago) link

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