Royal Trux : Classic or Dud ?

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or just an inbetweener ?

ALSO - what about harmelodics - who needs that as a justification for playing watchawant whenyawant ?

Accelerator - I think everyone loved it cause it wasn't total shite like the previous albums

Geordie Racer, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

DUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I used to like Cats n' Dogs. NEVER liked Twin Infinitives (also known as music for posers rockstar wannabe junkie art school drop outs) and, even though I thought the "aerosmithy" later album was listenable, I got bored of them. Now, I get nothing out of Cats N' Dogs except annoying attitude from self-absorbed, self-destructive, overgrown brats that think not taking showers is cool. That Aerosmithy one, though (with Ray-O-vac) is STILL okay, but rarely do I think to put it on. They annoy me. Yes.

, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

probably dud, but only because their albums are overlong - the last song on veterans of disorder (forget the name) is about 7 minutes of pretentious guitarwank which the world could have done without. i remember reading a press clipping sounding really impressed that this was neil hagerty's longest ever solo. however, at other times, they do sound on fire, it just never quite gets going enough. jennifer herrema (sp?) is, however, the coolest woman in rock. without a shadow of a doubt...


Bill, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

So very in between. I have only heard everything from Thank You and later, except for Twin Infinitives, which I didn't like at all and eventually sold (and it wasn't because it was too noisy.) They have a handful of really, really great songs ("I'm Ready," "Stevie," "Yo Se!") but all the records I have are about half tracks I skip. I get annoyed by Herrerma's singing, though I realize most people consider her some kind of rock goddess (could it be because she is beautiful?) But no way could I say either classic or dud, I'm afraid.

Mark, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

->> Erm, I love Neil Hagerty's guitar wankery, precisely on songs like "Blue is the frequency". He is a remarkable wanker.

RTX will never be classic, but it certainly isn't dud. It's one of these cult footnotes in rockunroll history. Certainly not compulsory listening, but definitely worth investigating if hard drugs, dirty hair and space boogie usually interest you. Although I have "TI", "C&D" and weird live stuff, I confess I seldom listen to them. I mostly play their recent stuff, with "Thank You" remaining their highlight. Along with the now much-scorned "Give out but don't give up" by the Scream Team 94, "Thank You" is one of my alltime fave pastiche records, a proper pop record by a duo of brilliant songwriters who rarely before had released songs as straightforward. I think it's a good thing when a band reknowned for its "difficult listening material" comes out with a set of proper tunes with hooks and a high level of "hummability". The opening cut, "A Night To Remember", is in my mind comparable to such songs as the Stones' "Rocks Off!", the aforementioned Scream's "Jailbird" and "Rocks", Suede's "Metal Mickey" or Bowie's "Watch that Man". You know, songs you play before going out (a category of songs I love, I'll post a thread about that). And that's how I like my RTX: fast rockunroll with a blond cat on a hot tin roof's raspy growl telling me I'm gonna lose.

And if your girlfriend finds your Scruffy Jenny obsession suspicious and/or maddening, then she is not a woman for you, mate.

Mr Herrema, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I like them, but still have yet to get everything in my usual compulsive way. That's probably because right now I'm more interested in buying up every last No-Man related release, for instance.

My favorite moment of theirs is from that video of theirs where Jennifer acts sexy and semi-flashes the audience. It made no sense at all, it was the visual equivalent of "Pick 'em and Flick 'em" by the Melvins. *BOUM...BOUMMMMMMM...wheedlewheedlewheedle* Er, anyway.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Best rock band ever. But I've said that in almost every thread on ILM ;) 'Twin Infinitives', 'Royal Trux', 'Cats & Dogs' and 'Accelerator' are bona fide classics. And everyone probably loved Accelerator because 'Liar' has the greatest riff ever. Needless to say a typical love em or hate em band (never sing in sync, Neil plays too many notes, Jennifer is the strangest sex symbol in pop history, erratic live shows). So Supa CLASSIC!

Omar, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I think they are just slightly worse than a Yo-La Tengo live performance (ie the Garage 1998) so pretty noisy and tuneless.

james edmund L, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

God, that was short Omar ;). I was expecting an essay when I saw this thread. Classic anyway, although I only have "Thank You" which is fantastic. Great, great, guitar sound. Anyone heard Haggerty's solo album?

Dr. C, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Hahaha...well if you could collect all the words I've written on Royal Trux on ILM you would get that essay ;) I can't be arsed to climb on a soapbox anymore and start praising a band that obviously is not to everyone's taste. The negative outcome of this c-o-d comes as no surprise since I've only met 3 people in my life who love Royal Trux, 2 who worked at the same record-shop I'm a regular customer of (and not counting the ones who where at the blinding gig they once played in Amsterdam, probably all critics ;)

Omar, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
I remember when I just didnt get Royal Trux. They were so way out and Jennifer usually just stood there and smoked and didnt say/sing a word while Neil shot his wad on guitar. It seemed all made up at the moment and straight out of a bong to boot. It was 1993 when I got to see them three nights in a row in Chicago at Lounge Ax for a Drag City festival. They played the same 'list' every night but in TOTALLY different ways. They were deconstructing their own music and songs with little to no effort. The songs remaned the same but the forms were totally different, as if there was a subconscience map they were following. It totally blew my mind. They were HUGE! The totally burned. They were Blue Cheer. It was amazing. I have seen them in the last few years and they seem to have locked into a loud boogie blues rock thing that seems pretty simular from night to night. Maybe the drugs DID keep them open ended and hungry.

Mark, Sunday, 30 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Official RTX lore says they were not on drugs in '93. More recent relatively-straight boogie rock phase was, I reckon, to do with the rhythm section who played on the final few tours and the 'Pound For Pound' LP. But Jen and Neil were still doing crazy shit!

joel, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
Yeah, I have recently seen Neil play with his solo band and he is defiantly back to the open-ended crazy shit. Two drummers, both almost totally unaware of each other.. And a stand up bass that never really cut through the mess (and by mess I mean 'good, crazy, wicked mess). It took effort to see his genius during the live show that is more evident on the LPs. Check out the Drag City Super Sessions LP where Neil takes the helm over his songs, Smog’s' and Edith Frost's. His vision shines bright over all the songs and the LP is arguably HIS recor

Mark, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...
Total Classic, or Total Dud, sometimes in the same song.
Their last three (real, not Hand of Glory) albums were some of the best rock albs of the 90s. Unless Pound For Pound was 2000, which I think it might have been. Come ON, "Sunshine & Grease", "Dr. Gone" fucking awesome and anyone who doesn't think so should be tied to a pillar of salt in Caribou Country.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:23 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Totally agree. The last three albums are a trilogy on the theme of Great Rock Music. Jennifer channeling Bob Dylan on Coming Out Party is a beautiful thing. But destroy beyond recognition Twin Infinitives and "harmelodics". Has anyone heard Weird War, what's that like?

Paula G., Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:40 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Weird War is far more Svenonius (sp?) than Hagerty (sp? jeez, I'm dopey today). It's cheap thrills, a touch more exciting than Ian's David Candy alb.
For Neil's post-RT work, I like his two (or three if you count the Sabbath cover) Drag City Supersession songs best. There's some good stuff on both his solo albs, but I think one of the big things with him is who he's playing with brings out different things in him.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:04 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

hah, dq to thread!!

geeta, Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:06 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

hand of glory is not a real album?

zemko (bob), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:16 (sixteen years ago) Permalink's album *length* anyway. But it's only two "songs" that seem to be just a lot of unfinished meanderings spliced together. I think it's stuff recorded over a lot of years in the late 1980s, in other words not made as *an album* but patched together as something for them to sell post-breakup. Maybe its better than I make it out, I only heard someone else's copy of it. But it sounded like more Twin Infinitives crap.

Paula G., Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:38 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I like the SONG stuff.
The OTHER stuff, I can get into sometimes, but when they're doing rock songs, that's my favourite.
Hand of Glory is just OTHER stuff. No songs. Just stuff. Either you're into it or you aren't. Unless you're really not into, then you'll hate it.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:41 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i have thankyou, and might i say that it sucks the shit out of a horses ass.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 24 January 2003 00:32 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Horace: the first Royal Trux album (self-titled, not the one with the skulls) is a flawless *synthesis* of "song" and "stuff". Check it out sometime.

harman, Friday, 24 January 2003 01:37 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

classic except for "hand of glory". everything else owns, and as it happens, the ones i liked least when they came out ("sweet 16" and "veterans") are now my favorites.

mosurock (mosurock), Friday, 24 January 2003 07:41 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

'Veterans of Disorder' is one of the greatest albums ever made, like if Primal Scream (or any other UK band) were 'about' music-qua-music

dave q, Friday, 24 January 2003 10:14 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Didn't Primal Scream dedicate an alb to the Trux?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 24 January 2003 14:59 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I've heard a couple of things from 'veterans..' and 'accelerator...' and as nice as the riffs are, or as wasted as the singing sounds it kind of felt to me that I wouldn't really get into a full record of it. That feeling was enough to put me off until I got round to buying 'twin infinitives' last week after that royal trux vs afghan whigs thread.

I like it lots => pretty! Bunch of skeletal fragments put together to make into an incredibly coherent mess of a record.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I've seen a lot of slagging of that album lately. I love Twin Infinitives.

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


If you arent feeling a certain album of theirs, there will be a point in your life when you will.

I think they are the only band who's catalog I've completly sold off...only to buy it back later.


ddb, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've been listening to the self titled recently. It's great!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

duh. Greatest rock and roll band of all time. No contest.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i really don't like royal trux. thankyou is the only one i have. i only listened to it once, and realised that i would never ever enjoy it, no matter how hard i tried. i like the ballad "stevie" which is off accelerator, i think, but i'm still saying dud. i've always meant to pick up a copy of "twin infinitives" though, out of curiosity more than anything.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If ever there was a group who ran 180-degrees against the prevailing ILM aesthetics (you know, Anglophilia; the people who accuse others of being "rockist" ... ), then RTX were/are it.

Did RTX create much of an impact in Britain? I really have no idea. It seems to me that most of their references and signifiers, not to mention their evocations, would be lost on a British audience. Or if RTX did in fact make an impression in the UK, I have a strong feeling that they were received and understood as far more exotic and inscrutable (or pretentious, if you like) than they actually were.

Anyway, at this stage I'm more convinced than ever that RTX were among the greatest bands in rock & roll history, and are gradually being recognized as such.

kjoerup, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 00:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

See the thing is its that rock n'roll-ness of the band that put me off. Twin Infinitives is more artful.

More art, less rock thx!

When 'accelerator' came out I remember a 'wow they are back!'-type reaction from the press at the time, people seemed to be glad.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 08:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

simon reynolds loved royal trux. he wrote about them in the melody maker at least once.

a, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 10:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

accelerator and veterand of disorder totally blew my mind when they came out. it was mad, unpredictable rock and roll at its best. and i still love those records (much more than thank you, btw, which is only ok to me). but accelerator... oh my...

joan vich (joan vich), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 14:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

are their reference points really that inscrutable to UK audiences? The Stones seem to loom the largest in RTX's universe.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 18:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Royal Trux played the worst show I ever saw. We saw them out at the back of The Garage afterwards and my friend Ben shouted at them for it.

Thank You is terrible, though.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 18:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i got twin infinitives tonight because of this thread. cheap & used & FUCKING AWESOME. it's gonna take me weeks to make sense of this album.

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 27 May 2004 06:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it's a classic, but Thank You is the masterpiece.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

NO ACTUALLY IT'S "SINGLES, LIVE, UNRELEASED". That record just beats everything ever in the right mood.

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I only have Thank You, but for faux-Stones with the weirdness cranked up a few notches there is none better. (I'll get the rest eventually when I find them at less extortionate prices!) I love that they could freely talk about harmolodics, and star in their own comic book.

Hayden Nicholls (Pop the Weasel), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
I've purchased Pound for Pound, Veterans of Disorder, and Thank You within the past couple of weeks and now Royal Trux is the only music I want to listen to. What should I do?

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Accelerator, my friend.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Accelerator is one of the best.

steve hise, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

they are good aren't they nick?!?!

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Is Royal Trux noize?

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

if not, i don't know what noize is

(ok, wolf eyes or some shit, but then who cares?)

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Also, Neil Michael Hagerty & the Howling Hex double album (I haven't heard any of the ltd ed records, pity me!) kicks ass and is the best of his three wide-release (har har) post RTX albs. Though lately, I've been getting into the first one again. "Creature Catcher" is wonderful.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Wondering that myself. As much as I don't doubt there's an element of performative promotion involved here, the Guardian interview is the only one where they've claimed to break up during the interview, no? Everything else just mentions that Neil seemed to have split during the recording, then been really distant and unengaged with the tour stuff.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 17:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i probably said this on this thread but at one point someone compiled every interview royal trux ever did (before the reunion) into a PDF and i sent it to my kindle and read it like a book and it was fascinating seeing how their stories changed from interview to interview and to try and piece together the "truth" from the overlaps and contradictions

na (NA), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 17:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

(I thought the MOJO interview was them not having spoken in months and having a huge argument in the middle of it)

space rock gapdy = ADOSE (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 17:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I haven't read that MOJO one yet, thanks for the reminder.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 19:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Neil tweeted this a couple hours ago:

these last real royal trux shows are truly happening and confirmed in the usa may/june, check local sources-- any press you see is coming from orange county/ newport beach, just a job to fuck me over by people w/ resources and 00% else

— Neil Hagerty (@TheHowlingHex) March 5, 2019

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink


tylerw, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the guardian article is decent, but both of the articles listed above overstate how central royal trux was to the 90s.. herrema as "the heroin chic icon" or whatever. trux ,even during their time on virgin, were as i recall a very niche phenomenon.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The quotes (from both Neil & Jen) in the Guardian piece are great. (I just skimmed the rest, I already know their backstory.)

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The Yahoo article is indeed sorta poignant (and contains some useful info re: the Sweet Sixteen cover art: “actually a bunch of oatmeal, Tabasco sauce, and chocolate sauce”).

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the guardian article is decent, but both of the articles listed above overstate how central royal trux was to the 90s.. herrema as "the heroin chic icon" or whatever. trux ,even during their time on virgin, were as i recall a very niche phenomenon.

I have no sales figures to back this up but I have always thought of them as a band whose audience was about 95% music critics.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Trux were never exactly critical darlings (and the folks I knew who were heavily into the band were very far removed from the rockcrit scene).

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:22 (two weeks ago) Permalink

This accumulation of Trouser Press entries basically captures the "bemused, distanced half-appreciation" that was typical of even the band's "positive" reviews:

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Accelerator was well-received in the UK, it got press attention in the NME and elsewhere IIRC

Neil S, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Good point, I’m coming at it from a U.S. perspective. (Didn’t Primal Scream pay tribute to that album somehow?)

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

If this is a publicity stunt, it's working like a charm. This is the most ILX has ever discussed Royal Trux

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink

accelerator was well-reviewed but by that point (turn of century) they were well consigned and probably resigned to being a minor indie phenomenon. the moment they had any buzz (and as noted, it was only ever a mild buzz, i remember even contemporaneous bands like urge overkill getting way more industry attention) was earlier, when they were signed to virgin.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xp nah there were ~80 posts in the 9/4/2005 revive upthread :)

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The recent Pavement vs. Royal Trux poll garnered tons of comments (and votes)

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

(Trux lost, of course)

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Trux maybe peaked in terms of both mainstream and critical appeal w/Cats and Dogs, i remember a glowing review in Rolling Stone (during a time when that actually meant something). plus it was released at a peak era for alternative rock making more commercial waves, in the same month as Exile in Guyville, Saturation, Transmissions from the Satellite Heart, In on the Kill Taker, 14 Songs, and Souvlaki. I'd be willing to bet Trux sold less than any of them, and I actually doubt it was their biggest selling album, but I think they were at their most "respectable" during that moment.

omar little, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

...or in Drag City's words, Do you remember the summer of '93? Our brief stay in Camelot.

yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i remember a glowing review in Rolling Stone

iirc that was SReynolds, who had already championed the previous couple/few records in the pages of Melody Maker.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I believe it was Jim Greer who had championed them (& pre-hype Pavement) much earlier in the mainstream press, the zines were all over the early Drag City catalog.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Cats & Dogs is a brilliant, brilliant record

my future think tank (stevie), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 23:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"Alison Moyet, man." Graun interview worth it for that alone, but can't believe how bad the writing is at times, even resorting to the old "like x falling down a flight of stairs" cliche.

Position Position, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 00:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Sativa ftw

ian, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 00:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm on Team Neil, but he very well may "smoke too much weed" ;P

yuh yuh (morrisp), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 00:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I've listened to White Stuff a good bit since Friday and it's steadily growing on me. Honestly just happy to hear those sloppily-intertwined voices together again on some new songs.

InternationalWaters, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 14:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

funny, when I interviewed Neil via email for a PSF article back in 2015, I asked him about the 1990 tour when they were running drum loops behind live guitar/vox (as seen in the 'What Is Royal Trux' concert footage posted above), and he brought up Yaz as a reference point. Guess it had a bigger impact than I had assumed.

whitehallunity, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 17:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm trying to listen to White Stuff again... the drumming is, like, really bad.

yuh yuh (morrisp), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 18:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The Trux concept c. "VOD" era was not supposed to extend to literally sounding like amateurish hair metal

yuh yuh (morrisp), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 18:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Podcast interview with Jennifer. She explains leaving Drag City and a bit of personal history:

Mike Dixn, Thursday, 7 March 2019 12:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

On first listen through this sounds fine to me; it's neither as good as Veterans of Disorder or Electric Brick Wall but it sits comfortably between the two, and I 100% have time for that kind of album

space rock gapdy = ADOSE (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 7 March 2019 21:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink


Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 7 March 2019 21:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

can't listen to that interview at work. what's the short version of her leaving drag city?

one thing notale about drag city is how much loyalty they seem to inspire. royal trux are exceptional in being long time or old time d.c. acts that have left the label not once but twice. cf. bill callahan and will oldham who have stuck with them for 25+ years despite surely getting lots of offers from bigger labels.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:26 (two weeks ago) Permalink


affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:26 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Listening to the podcast now; Jennifer suggests that Drag City operates in some kind of groupthink fashion that was dragging them down (transcription is mine):

Neil and I have, like, all sorts of ideas[...] We don't want to be held down, we don't want to be told no, and we don't want to be on a label that's a collective mind. When we want to do something, we can't wait for the label to determine if everyone else wants to roll that way. We're autonomous, and always have been[...] They're the label, and we're the artist. It's more of a 'project' than a seriously functioning record label at this point.

She goes on to say that when she finally overcame her skepticism around streaming, and wanted Trux's stuff out there, she was frustrated by the politics around how Drag City was approaching it at the time.

yuh yuh (morrisp), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

huh. honestly it's hard to imagine any label satisfying her desire to roll with whatever they want to do.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink


affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"our 2020 album will only be released on CD-ROM"

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The specific incident she mentions is that she is/was pro-streaming and DC kept pushing back for months and then finally they acquiesced and let Royal Trux/RTX/Black Bananas be available on streaming sites and within a day or two the entire Drag City catalog started being available as well.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The way I heard/understood it, it was only after they had left the label, and their catalog was made available by Fat Possum, that all the DC stuff also came online (which was the "irony" of the situation).

yuh yuh (morrisp), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Haha, I def like the accuracy of your take better than my 1/2 of one ear semi-listening take.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:40 (two weeks ago) Permalink

omg interviewer seriously just asked about "'white stuff' in terms of racism" I'm dying

Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 7 March 2019 23:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Podcast interviews conducted via telephone are t-h-e W-O-R-S-T

yuh yuh (morrisp), Thursday, 7 March 2019 23:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I don't know what the story is with Drag City; but when you consider that even Neil "noted he was 'overjoyed' not to be working with the band’s previous label" (per one of the interviews linked above) -- something definitely went bad there.

yuh yuh (morrisp), Thursday, 7 March 2019 23:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

is your ejaculate racist y/n?

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 23:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm kinda glad I heard this after all the Neil/Jennifer drama and read some of the negative reviews, since it set my expectations to a point where I really kinda liked it. It's not great, but not the Black Bananas redux I kinda feared. I still don't like the Kool Keith track and a few others, but "Suburban Junky Lady", "Every Day Swan" and "Whopper Dave" give me what I like.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 13:11 (two days ago) Permalink

I agree, it's definitely a better album than what I / we had been led to believe

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 21:09 (two days ago) Permalink

I think it's great fun. And it still feels like RT except for the Kool Keith track but I'm gonna guess that was Jennifer H's call so I'll give her that one weird outlier.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 23:38 (two days ago) Permalink

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