Royal Trux : Classic or Dud ?

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or just an inbetweener ?

ALSO - what about harmelodics - who needs that as a justification for playing watchawant whenyawant ?

Accelerator - I think everyone loved it cause it wasn't total shite like the previous albums

Geordie Racer, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

DUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I used to like Cats n' Dogs. NEVER liked Twin Infinitives (also known as music for posers rockstar wannabe junkie art school drop outs) and, even though I thought the "aerosmithy" later album was listenable, I got bored of them. Now, I get nothing out of Cats N' Dogs except annoying attitude from self-absorbed, self-destructive, overgrown brats that think not taking showers is cool. That Aerosmithy one, though (with Ray-O-vac) is STILL okay, but rarely do I think to put it on. They annoy me. Yes.

, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

probably dud, but only because their albums are overlong - the last song on veterans of disorder (forget the name) is about 7 minutes of pretentious guitarwank which the world could have done without. i remember reading a press clipping sounding really impressed that this was neil hagerty's longest ever solo. however, at other times, they do sound on fire, it just never quite gets going enough. jennifer herrema (sp?) is, however, the coolest woman in rock. without a shadow of a doubt...


Bill, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

So very in between. I have only heard everything from Thank You and later, except for Twin Infinitives, which I didn't like at all and eventually sold (and it wasn't because it was too noisy.) They have a handful of really, really great songs ("I'm Ready," "Stevie," "Yo Se!") but all the records I have are about half tracks I skip. I get annoyed by Herrerma's singing, though I realize most people consider her some kind of rock goddess (could it be because she is beautiful?) But no way could I say either classic or dud, I'm afraid.

Mark, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

->> Erm, I love Neil Hagerty's guitar wankery, precisely on songs like "Blue is the frequency". He is a remarkable wanker.

RTX will never be classic, but it certainly isn't dud. It's one of these cult footnotes in rockunroll history. Certainly not compulsory listening, but definitely worth investigating if hard drugs, dirty hair and space boogie usually interest you. Although I have "TI", "C&D" and weird live stuff, I confess I seldom listen to them. I mostly play their recent stuff, with "Thank You" remaining their highlight. Along with the now much-scorned "Give out but don't give up" by the Scream Team 94, "Thank You" is one of my alltime fave pastiche records, a proper pop record by a duo of brilliant songwriters who rarely before had released songs as straightforward. I think it's a good thing when a band reknowned for its "difficult listening material" comes out with a set of proper tunes with hooks and a high level of "hummability". The opening cut, "A Night To Remember", is in my mind comparable to such songs as the Stones' "Rocks Off!", the aforementioned Scream's "Jailbird" and "Rocks", Suede's "Metal Mickey" or Bowie's "Watch that Man". You know, songs you play before going out (a category of songs I love, I'll post a thread about that). And that's how I like my RTX: fast rockunroll with a blond cat on a hot tin roof's raspy growl telling me I'm gonna lose.

And if your girlfriend finds your Scruffy Jenny obsession suspicious and/or maddening, then she is not a woman for you, mate.

Mr Herrema, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like them, but still have yet to get everything in my usual compulsive way. That's probably because right now I'm more interested in buying up every last No-Man related release, for instance.

My favorite moment of theirs is from that video of theirs where Jennifer acts sexy and semi-flashes the audience. It made no sense at all, it was the visual equivalent of "Pick 'em and Flick 'em" by the Melvins. *BOUM...BOUMMMMMMM...wheedlewheedlewheedle* Er, anyway.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Best rock band ever. But I've said that in almost every thread on ILM ;) 'Twin Infinitives', 'Royal Trux', 'Cats & Dogs' and 'Accelerator' are bona fide classics. And everyone probably loved Accelerator because 'Liar' has the greatest riff ever. Needless to say a typical love em or hate em band (never sing in sync, Neil plays too many notes, Jennifer is the strangest sex symbol in pop history, erratic live shows). So Supa CLASSIC!

Omar, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think they are just slightly worse than a Yo-La Tengo live performance (ie the Garage 1998) so pretty noisy and tuneless.

james edmund L, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

God, that was short Omar ;). I was expecting an essay when I saw this thread. Classic anyway, although I only have "Thank You" which is fantastic. Great, great, guitar sound. Anyone heard Haggerty's solo album?

Dr. C, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hahaha...well if you could collect all the words I've written on Royal Trux on ILM you would get that essay ;) I can't be arsed to climb on a soapbox anymore and start praising a band that obviously is not to everyone's taste. The negative outcome of this c-o-d comes as no surprise since I've only met 3 people in my life who love Royal Trux, 2 who worked at the same record-shop I'm a regular customer of (and not counting the ones who where at the blinding gig they once played in Amsterdam, probably all critics ;)

Omar, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

five months pass...
I remember when I just didnt get Royal Trux. They were so way out and Jennifer usually just stood there and smoked and didnt say/sing a word while Neil shot his wad on guitar. It seemed all made up at the moment and straight out of a bong to boot. It was 1993 when I got to see them three nights in a row in Chicago at Lounge Ax for a Drag City festival. They played the same 'list' every night but in TOTALLY different ways. They were deconstructing their own music and songs with little to no effort. The songs remaned the same but the forms were totally different, as if there was a subconscience map they were following. It totally blew my mind. They were HUGE! The totally burned. They were Blue Cheer. It was amazing. I have seen them in the last few years and they seem to have locked into a loud boogie blues rock thing that seems pretty simular from night to night. Maybe the drugs DID keep them open ended and hungry.

Mark, Sunday, 30 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Official RTX lore says they were not on drugs in '93. More recent relatively-straight boogie rock phase was, I reckon, to do with the rhythm section who played on the final few tours and the 'Pound For Pound' LP. But Jen and Neil were still doing crazy shit!

joel, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

four months pass...
Yeah, I have recently seen Neil play with his solo band and he is defiantly back to the open-ended crazy shit. Two drummers, both almost totally unaware of each other.. And a stand up bass that never really cut through the mess (and by mess I mean 'good, crazy, wicked mess). It took effort to see his genius during the live show that is more evident on the LPs. Check out the Drag City Super Sessions LP where Neil takes the helm over his songs, Smog’s' and Edith Frost's. His vision shines bright over all the songs and the LP is arguably HIS recor

Mark, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Total Classic, or Total Dud, sometimes in the same song.
Their last three (real, not Hand of Glory) albums were some of the best rock albs of the 90s. Unless Pound For Pound was 2000, which I think it might have been. Come ON, "Sunshine & Grease", "Dr. Gone" fucking awesome and anyone who doesn't think so should be tied to a pillar of salt in Caribou Country.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Totally agree. The last three albums are a trilogy on the theme of Great Rock Music. Jennifer channeling Bob Dylan on Coming Out Party is a beautiful thing. But destroy beyond recognition Twin Infinitives and "harmelodics". Has anyone heard Weird War, what's that like?

Paula G., Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Weird War is far more Svenonius (sp?) than Hagerty (sp? jeez, I'm dopey today). It's cheap thrills, a touch more exciting than Ian's David Candy alb.
For Neil's post-RT work, I like his two (or three if you count the Sabbath cover) Drag City Supersession songs best. There's some good stuff on both his solo albs, but I think one of the big things with him is who he's playing with brings out different things in him.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

hah, dq to thread!!

geeta, Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

hand of glory is not a real album?

zemko (bob), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link's album *length* anyway. But it's only two "songs" that seem to be just a lot of unfinished meanderings spliced together. I think it's stuff recorded over a lot of years in the late 1980s, in other words not made as *an album* but patched together as something for them to sell post-breakup. Maybe its better than I make it out, I only heard someone else's copy of it. But it sounded like more Twin Infinitives crap.

Paula G., Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the SONG stuff.
The OTHER stuff, I can get into sometimes, but when they're doing rock songs, that's my favourite.
Hand of Glory is just OTHER stuff. No songs. Just stuff. Either you're into it or you aren't. Unless you're really not into, then you'll hate it.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

i have thankyou, and might i say that it sucks the shit out of a horses ass.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 24 January 2003 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Horace: the first Royal Trux album (self-titled, not the one with the skulls) is a flawless *synthesis* of "song" and "stuff". Check it out sometime.

harman, Friday, 24 January 2003 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link

classic except for "hand of glory". everything else owns, and as it happens, the ones i liked least when they came out ("sweet 16" and "veterans") are now my favorites.

mosurock (mosurock), Friday, 24 January 2003 07:41 (nineteen years ago) link

'Veterans of Disorder' is one of the greatest albums ever made, like if Primal Scream (or any other UK band) were 'about' music-qua-music

dave q, Friday, 24 January 2003 10:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Didn't Primal Scream dedicate an alb to the Trux?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 24 January 2003 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I've heard a couple of things from 'veterans..' and 'accelerator...' and as nice as the riffs are, or as wasted as the singing sounds it kind of felt to me that I wouldn't really get into a full record of it. That feeling was enough to put me off until I got round to buying 'twin infinitives' last week after that royal trux vs afghan whigs thread.

I like it lots => pretty! Bunch of skeletal fragments put together to make into an incredibly coherent mess of a record.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I've seen a lot of slagging of that album lately. I love Twin Infinitives.

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link


If you arent feeling a certain album of theirs, there will be a point in your life when you will.

I think they are the only band who's catalog I've completly sold off...only to buy it back later.


ddb, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been listening to the self titled recently. It's great!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link

duh. Greatest rock and roll band of all time. No contest.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

i really don't like royal trux. thankyou is the only one i have. i only listened to it once, and realised that i would never ever enjoy it, no matter how hard i tried. i like the ballad "stevie" which is off accelerator, i think, but i'm still saying dud. i've always meant to pick up a copy of "twin infinitives" though, out of curiosity more than anything.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

If ever there was a group who ran 180-degrees against the prevailing ILM aesthetics (you know, Anglophilia; the people who accuse others of being "rockist" ... ), then RTX were/are it.

Did RTX create much of an impact in Britain? I really have no idea. It seems to me that most of their references and signifiers, not to mention their evocations, would be lost on a British audience. Or if RTX did in fact make an impression in the UK, I have a strong feeling that they were received and understood as far more exotic and inscrutable (or pretentious, if you like) than they actually were.

Anyway, at this stage I'm more convinced than ever that RTX were among the greatest bands in rock & roll history, and are gradually being recognized as such.

kjoerup, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 00:49 (eighteen years ago) link

See the thing is its that rock n'roll-ness of the band that put me off. Twin Infinitives is more artful.

More art, less rock thx!

When 'accelerator' came out I remember a 'wow they are back!'-type reaction from the press at the time, people seemed to be glad.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 08:55 (eighteen years ago) link

simon reynolds loved royal trux. he wrote about them in the melody maker at least once.

a, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 10:22 (eighteen years ago) link

accelerator and veterand of disorder totally blew my mind when they came out. it was mad, unpredictable rock and roll at its best. and i still love those records (much more than thank you, btw, which is only ok to me). but accelerator... oh my...

joan vich (joan vich), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

are their reference points really that inscrutable to UK audiences? The Stones seem to loom the largest in RTX's universe.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Royal Trux played the worst show I ever saw. We saw them out at the back of The Garage afterwards and my friend Ben shouted at them for it.

Thank You is terrible, though.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 18:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i got twin infinitives tonight because of this thread. cheap & used & FUCKING AWESOME. it's gonna take me weeks to make sense of this album.

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 27 May 2004 06:44 (eighteen years ago) link

it's a classic, but Thank You is the masterpiece.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link


Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

NO ACTUALLY IT'S "SINGLES, LIVE, UNRELEASED". That record just beats everything ever in the right mood.

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I only have Thank You, but for faux-Stones with the weirdness cranked up a few notches there is none better. (I'll get the rest eventually when I find them at less extortionate prices!) I love that they could freely talk about harmolodics, and star in their own comic book.

Hayden Nicholls (Pop the Weasel), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
I've purchased Pound for Pound, Veterans of Disorder, and Thank You within the past couple of weeks and now Royal Trux is the only music I want to listen to. What should I do?

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Accelerator, my friend.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Accelerator is one of the best.

steve hise, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

they are good aren't they nick?!?!

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Is Royal Trux noize?

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

if not, i don't know what noize is

(ok, wolf eyes or some shit, but then who cares?)

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, Neil Michael Hagerty & the Howling Hex double album (I haven't heard any of the ltd ed records, pity me!) kicks ass and is the best of his three wide-release (har har) post RTX albs. Though lately, I've been getting into the first one again. "Creature Catcher" is wonderful.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

The guy mentioned not by name in the first long paragraph sounds awfully like a stylist I used to work with who dabbles in some label stuff...

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 17 November 2019 07:08 (three years ago) link

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Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 17 November 2019 11:41 (three years ago) link

we’re not allowed to have a manager or anything at Drag City—you’re not allowed to have anybody work for you at Drag City.


j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Sunday, 17 November 2019 14:28 (three years ago) link

Never got into Royal True, but that's a great interview.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 17 November 2019 14:50 (three years ago) link

Why was it taken down?

paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Sunday, 17 November 2019 15:30 (three years ago) link

the site itself is down

Colonel Poo, Sunday, 17 November 2019 15:37 (three years ago) link

Ah. Rock n roll

paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Sunday, 17 November 2019 15:37 (three years ago) link

I feel like I have already read three different versions of that interview.

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 17 November 2019 20:00 (three years ago) link

I really want to know more about their specific issues with Drag City. That's the second time they've thrown a pretty wild (and weird) accusation at them, which not only doesn't seem to jibe with the label's rep but also seems weird considering how many artists cultivate (seemingly) really solid long term relationships with them.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 18 November 2019 16:37 (three years ago) link

we’re not allowed to have a manager or anything at Drag City—you’re not allowed to have anybody work for you at Drag City.


LOL yeah so weird. When I read that I wondered if that was something like she had expected Drag City to pay for their manager or something.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 18 November 2019 17:15 (three years ago) link

I’ve done a real 180 on White Stuff... now I rate it above Pound for Pound (already my least favorite Trux LP), as well as — why not? — the 2nd half of VoD.

hip musical crush (morrisp), Thursday, 21 November 2019 01:45 (three years ago) link

Love the bit where they're threatening Robert E Lee. Weird to see them kind of engaging with the world.

I was very skeptical of the album based on the videos/singles but the whole thing works very nicely. I even came around to the Kool Keith song which I couldn't stand initially.

Cow_Art, Thursday, 21 November 2019 03:58 (three years ago) link

I still skip that one after a minute or so 😬

hip musical crush (morrisp), Thursday, 21 November 2019 04:16 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Quantum Entanglement, the best-of comp that Fat Possum issued on vinyl for RSD, now seems to be generally available on other platforms.

Into the Bro-known: One Dude’s ‘Frozen’ Podcast (morrisp), Sunday, 5 January 2020 22:53 (two years ago) link

Interesting tracklist? Points off for starting off a comp with a song that’s also track 1 on the LP it’s taken from (that’s kind of a party foul, IMO):

01. I’m Ready
02. Waterpark
03. Ray O Vac
04. The Spectre
05. Platinum Tips
06. Stevie (For Steven S.)
07. Sunshine and Grease
08. Stop
09. Liar
10. The Flag
11. Junkie Nurse
12. Call Out The Lions
13. White Stuff
14. Shockwave Rider

Into the Bro-known: One Dude’s ‘Frozen’ Podcast (morrisp), Sunday, 5 January 2020 22:55 (two years ago) link

no Back To School, no credibility

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Sunday, 5 January 2020 23:13 (two years ago) link

It’s actually a pretty crummy tracklist IMO

Into the Bro-known: One Dude’s ‘Frozen’ Podcast (morrisp), Sunday, 5 January 2020 23:21 (two years ago) link

It's ok but a bit lol

PLEB AF (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 6 January 2020 08:06 (two years ago) link

the whole idea of a RTX "greatest hits" is lol

Οὖτις, Monday, 6 January 2020 16:21 (two years ago) link

When I personally consider that this is their best release, maybe it's not so lol?:

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:38 (two years ago) link

Has there ever been a thread for weakest/least-representative “best of” comps? This would be a contender imo

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:48 (two years ago) link

Admittedly a band to sum up in14 tracks but still

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:49 (two years ago) link

*a hard band to sum up

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:50 (two years ago) link

at least it has "Ray O Vac", the closest they came to a would-be hit imo (had anyone cared)

L'assie (Euler), Monday, 6 January 2020 16:53 (two years ago) link

My first exposure to Trux was via a mixtape that a friend loaned me (a friend of hers and made it for her). I remember it had “Ray-O-Vac,” “Strawberry Soda Pop,” etc. I was like — LOL, ok. Then I heard ”Morphic Resident“ on a CMJ mix; bought Sweet Sixteen as soon as it came out; and was obsessed with it.

BeerAdvocate in the streets, Wookiepedia in the sheets (morrisp), Monday, 6 January 2020 17:17 (two years ago) link

When I personally consider that this is their best release, maybe it's not so lol?:

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, January 6, 2020 11:38 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

"faca amolada" should be on that greatest 'hits'

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 6 January 2020 17:52 (two years ago) link

Oh, I loved that. Think I had it on a 7" bootleg because it was actually a Peel Sessions recording.

timellison, Monday, 6 January 2020 18:31 (two years ago) link

If I had to pick one Trux release to accompany me on a desert island, it would be Singles/Live/Unreleased. It's the whole enchilada.

Anyone else take umbrage at that lame Quietus review of Quantum Entanglement a few weeks ago?

InternationalWaters, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 14:17 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

Neil Hagerty, patreon post:

"sad anniversary

This marks two years since I had to pull the plug on Royal Trux again, may-be it was the 9th time. That year, I got an extra 10K to finish a session then I left the studio with what was supposed to be an entire LP of finished LP tracks sitting there to melt. Once the deal got started, April to June this time of year, every person who was around the last time I pulled the plug re-appeared from Orange County, Chicago & Mississippi and I was me against 21 dudes. 

I said I’d do the record if we had a producer who had the final say on everything, band members only in the studio and the record was only the songs totally finished by a certain date. Nothing got worked out and it was a debacle the whole time.  I left on the date we had agreed on.

So all them took it over and spiked me, then now the UK groups in publishing and marketing also get involved and they steamrolled the release without me hearing any of the tracks. They tried to do the band without me but that didn’t work then offered me money to do a tour. I ended up paying someone 3000$ to not have to speak to anyone involved again. Meanwhile they’re putting out old re-releases and I get nothing for that.

1 year ago, after they torpedoed the trux thing fat possum came back and said they'd let me do a record to come out in the fall of ’19 and they would back the record up with tour support and so on. They buried the record this may I think and still owe me 17K in unpaid invoices for travel, show expenses, sessions, musicians, artwork. The publishing company offered me 0$ for it. That’s 0$ I came away with for all the songs I wrote for the trux record and the solo record.

This is the work that I do and I don’t get to choose the 2 bosses who i work for but if things go bad they blame the musicians & listeners have no sympathy.  Things get contorted. 

All I know is to stay on the path my father set me on, keep working to get very good at a few things, don't listen to white lies, you can't go wrong with a song-- no one else ever had better advice for me."

Mike Dixn, Friday, 12 June 2020 10:27 (two years ago) link

Came here to post this, lol

Charging for Brewskis™ (morrisp), Friday, 12 June 2020 17:34 (two years ago) link

Clearly Neil was not happy with the way the Trux reunion was working out and was never really comfortable with it in the first place, so I'm not surprised that went to shit.

Interesting to hear him dog on Fat Possum now too. Wasn't part of the reason he was excited about Fat Possum was that he hated how Drag City treated him?

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 12 June 2020 18:36 (two years ago) link

Considering how he did press for the recent Hex album, it was reviewed in Pitchfork, etc., I’m not sure how it was “buried” more than any random Drag City release.

Charging for Brewskis™ (morrisp), Friday, 12 June 2020 19:44 (two years ago) link

Obviously there is a lot going on behind the scenes we don't know about and it's not like there is any reliable narrator in the Trux universe, but it reads a little bit like Neil has some unrealistic expectations of what a label might do for him given that he's starting to say the same things about Fat Possum that he said about Drag City (which still surprises me, because I can't remember hearing other artists with similar complaints).

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 12 June 2020 19:59 (two years ago) link

It was convenient for Neil to blame the collapse of the industry on his label (who are basically saints imho).

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 12 June 2020 20:35 (two years ago) link

(that could be directed at either FP or DC)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 12 June 2020 20:35 (two years ago) link

I don't know much about Fat Possum, but Drag City always struck me as really supportive of their artists. Considering the, we'll go with eccentric (or finicky) artists that have stuck with them for decades in some cases, it's hard to take Neil's complaints about them too seriously.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 12 June 2020 20:38 (two years ago) link

He should re-sign with Virgin!

Charging for Brewskis™ (morrisp), Friday, 12 June 2020 20:59 (two years ago) link

tbf it's hard to top a label that pays you not to make an album

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Friday, 12 June 2020 22:04 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

i don't know if it's their best album but "pound for pound" probably has the most tasty riffs out of the rtx catalog. just in the first three songs, you've got the sweet lead part on "call out the lions," the little woody woodpecker riff on "fire hill," and basically all of the guitar parts in "platinum tips"

na (NA), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 17:08 (two years ago) link

seven months pass...
"The Real Royal Trux" rehearsal jam sounds suspiciously like Black Bananas studio jams, but what do I know.
Also, I think NMH might be done with music forever. Patreon output lately is mostly early morning snapshots of Denver sidewalk garbage and occasional plugs for the board games.

These two never stop being hard to figure.

Mike Dixn, Sunday, 6 June 2021 22:17 (one year ago) link

I just quit (“paused”) my Pateon payments. Where/when is this jam from(?)

like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Sunday, 6 June 2021 22:43 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

I'm on-again off-again with Neil's patreon output. Confusing mess of unexplained scribble art, deep concept/no concept video essays, and 12 minute long noise floor recordings. All called 'Amusements' but I think he's fulfilled the literal form of "He could fart into a mic and I'd buy it". All said, I'm still obsessed with everything he does. I want good things for him. I hope the Virgin money is still paying his rent or something.

Side crud: I'm a lonely trux fan searching for buds. DM me with whatever service you're on and let's talk.

Food for convo: The Best Of record is a big source of inspiration for me. Multiple layers going on with it. The overall New Border Sound genre he concocted. The sense that he's simplified the songwriting down to (my words:) "Three Crayons" ie artistic restrictions: Every drum pattern is texmex Bom-chacha Bom-chacha, every guitar solo just fuzzy single note hammer-ons, etc. Don't have to ask himself what choice to make, it's predetermined.

I wish the White Stuff era didn't interrupt Hex and Bananas. Hex's Denver, along with the 7"s (Butterfly/Party Shoes are you kidding me) and Banana's expected next album after the SpyderBrain/Margaritas 7", -- Both bands were in their absolute best of times. I'm glad I got to see Trux live in 17, but the following White Stuff garbage just wrecked both parties.

trux tracker (edges), Wednesday, 7 July 2021 19:50 (one year ago) link

I agree about Best Of (though not really about White Stuff; I feel like he had kind of played the Hex thing out by that point).

There's some related discussion here: new Howling Hex / Neil Hagerty brings the funk!

r u rolling pop 2021 (morrisp), Wednesday, 7 July 2021 20:02 (one year ago) link

one month passes...


Shallot Shortage 2021 (morrisp), Thursday, 12 August 2021 20:26 (one year ago) link

I don't think I can conceive of a better rock & roll recording than "Golden Rules." Also, the entirety of Sweet Sixteen!

Shallot Shortage 2021 (morrisp), Thursday, 12 August 2021 20:27 (one year ago) link

if it rocks, put it on the table
If it rolls, put it in the hole

Shallot Shortage 2021 (morrisp), Thursday, 12 August 2021 21:59 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

Mike Dixn, Tuesday, 21 December 2021 03:07 (eleven months ago) link

proof of life

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 21 December 2021 13:46 (eleven months ago) link

haha good to see — he's been MIA on the Denver scene for the past few years (even pre-pandemic). I assume he's still here, I think that's a rocky mountain chocolate factory bear.

tylerw, Tuesday, 21 December 2021 16:25 (eleven months ago) link

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