Let us now praise Fairport Convention's "Liege & Lief"

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Just spotted the new reissue, and of course had to buy it--it has two more songs on it, which as far as I'm concerned is like an edition of Sophocles with two more plays in it. My friend was looking for something to buy, and I said "buy this--it's the best record ever made," exaggerating only slightly. The guy who was browsing next to us said "What record is that? Oh, Liege & Lief. Yeah, he's right." Inexplicably, my friend still didn't buy it.

This is the fifth copy I've owned--I tend to lend them out, and they often don't come back. The apotheosis of English folk-rock.

Am I wrong?

Douglas, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'll let you know tomorrow after I buy it! (Is the fact that I dislike Hangman's Beautiful Daughter going to be a problem?)

Mark, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

But is it SEXIST SWILL, I ask you? ;-)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

well since it's largely (if not entirely?...its been a long time since i've listened and its all the way across the country now preventing me from checking) sung by a woman, i'd say no.

jess, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I think I'd probably love it, though I haven't heard it. The guy who was browsing next to us said "What record is that? Oh, Liege & Lief. Yeah, he's right." Inexplicably, my friend still didn't buy it.

I think if I were that guy I'd sneak a look at your shoes and your hairstyle before taking a musical tip, no matter how vehement.

Momus, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, wait, he's your friend. So he presumably likes your shoes and hairstyle. In that case, you're right, it's inexplicable.

Momus, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

yep, i'd go with the greatest fusion of folk and rock on one album. enough trad arr's to appease the cecil sharpe fans, enough richard thompson guitar to please the rock fans. aside from faint whiff's of hippydom on "come all ye", it's stuff like the obvious "matty groves", "tam lin" and "crazy man michael" that stick in my mind. it's what english folk song does best - dark, black songs rather than celtic fiddle-de-dee stuff. i love other albums more, but it's an absolutely essential corner stone of populer music and the most significant folk rock artefact i've heard in the genre's purest terms...

chris browning, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

It's probably even better when the CD skips.

Momus, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

not half as good as Unhalfbricking whose (a) title is wonderfull, (b) cover photo is splendid and (c) music is less 'real' folky and so is much better indeed

philT, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i agree that the "unhalfbrivking" cover is better, but whether you prefer the music or not is not the point. to me, the early stuff is a bit too derivative to give me any real pleasure, but "liege and lief" is more important as a cultural artefact as the first PROPER fusion between traditional folk and rock music

commonswings, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

When I used to have a 'to buy' list many years ago, this was on it.

Is any of the rest of it as good as 'Farewell Farewell'?

N., Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

as good as "farewell farewell"? my god yes! especially "crazy man michael"

commonswings, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah. And "Tam Lin," which is so gorgeous and forceful it isn't immediately obvious that it's doing some incredibly tricky stuff: adhering to the trad 20-quatrains-in-a-row format, making it work as guitar/bass/drums rock (that RIFF! that RHYTHM!), and giving it a dynamic arc so it doesn't sound excessively repetitious.

The extra tracks, incidentally, are "Sir Patrick Spens" (a rather different arrangement than the one that ended up on Full House, and this time sung by Sandy Denny) and a longish, uncertain adaptation of a Richard Fariña piece, "Quiet Joys of Brotherhood," with some lovely Thompson guitar.

Douglas, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i don't know the musical terms for describing it, but "tam lin" seems to be the centrepiece of the album with "matty groves" as they seem ostensibally similar but also so different in approach. i haven't a copy off hand but how many songs are traditional on it?

commonswings, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

5 of the 8 songs are traditional and "Farewell, Farewell" is a re- write of another trad English ballad.

Since no ones mention it, my fav song is the "The Deserter" which, in addition to fantastic lyrics, has this super cool drum beat that sounds all slowed down and then sped up in a really weird way.

Alex in SF, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I seem to remember a story about the Fairporters auditioning a new bass player (Dave Pegg?) by tearing into "Tam Lin" at a brutally fast pace . . . and he kept up. Probably sounded downright Zep-ish.

Lee G, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

It's a great record. very well sequenced. The two long songs (matty grove and tam lin) are amazing, building the musical tension perfectly along with the lyrical. Farewell, Farewell is arguably Richard Thompson's best song. Sandy Denny's voice never sounded better. The only strike against it is the muffled drum sound pretty much always present on a Joe Boyd produced record. Now, what's this remaster? How is the sound? How about those two extra tracks?

g, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I like What We Did On Our Holidays better... what's that tune? "Tale in Bad Times"? I love that song.

Andy, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

When I got my CD player, "Liege & Leif" ws the first CD I went out & bought. It is one of the best rekords ever, I think.

Norman Phay, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Andy, the song you're thinking of is called "Tale In Hard Time" and is ace. A very different Fairport from the Liege and Lief model, a year and two albums earlier, and therefore far removed from this thread, but that was a *vital* song to me when I first heard it, wondering how Thompson could have written such *ancient* songs, so wise and so mature and so apparently indicative of years of experience, while still a teenager. I wasn't that good a songwriter in my teens, but I think I am now.

Robin Carmody, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

A great cd indeed,a colleague of mine had burnt Liege and Lief for me believing that I would appreciate it and he was certainly right.

MICHELINE, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I recently discovered 'Tale in Hard Time' and it is quite amazing. It would sound great as an 70s synth WHO wigout. Sounds curiously contemporary too. Fits well next to punk funk on a compilation.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 17:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This is the best revival thread ever, because Douglas is right as right. L&L is perfect wonderfulness in shiny plastic. I can't get enough of it.

J (Jay), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 17:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it's a classic but there's another album of theirs i prefer slightly more, as my email address may hint....

j fail (cenotaph), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 19:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

does anyone want copies of the old, non-remastered "unhalfbricking" and "what we did on our holidays"? i'm looking to sell them.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 19:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

vinyl? i could use unhalfbricking on vinyl actually....

j fail (cenotaph), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 19:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

no cd.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 19:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I love 'Farewell Farewell', but was shocked to discover that the melody is totally stolen from an olde English folk song - Anne Briggs does a version of it called 'Willie O'Winsbury'

Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 19:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it's actually a Scottish folk song, Child # 100.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 19:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Folk doesn't 'steal' you capitalist pig.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 21:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

'liege and lief' is a wonderful record. though I must admit it took a lot of listening to 'holidays' and 'unhalfbricking' before I really warmed to it.

the song 'sloth' from 'full house' fits nicely at the end of one side of a C90 containing 'holidays'. 'sloth' is probably my favorite song by them ever.

one of the bands that's made my life better.

jon leidecker, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 23:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

More than somewhat over-rated. The original songs are good but the Trad Arrs are on the dull side: "Matty Groves" and "Tam Lin" being especially turgid. I prefer Steeleye Span's "Hark the Village Wait".

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 12:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I love 'Farewell Farewell', but was shocked to discover that the melody is totally stolen from an olde English folk song - Anne Briggs does a version of it called 'Willie O'Winsbury'

Well, to be pedantic about it, Richard Thompson stole the tune from a version of "Willie O'Winsbury" sung by Andy Irvine on the first Sweeney's Men album - the problem being that Irvine sang the WRONG melody. So the melody isn't actually "Willie O'Winsbury" at all.

it's what english folk song does best - dark, black songs rather than celtic fiddle-de-dee stuff

If you think that "English" folk music does "dark and black songs best" then I suggest you haven't heard anything like as much Scottish and Irish folk music as you should have to be making such judgements. And anyway given that the folk music of the British Isles is all intermingled and given that that song you hear on a Fairport album, or a Martin Carthy album, or a Nic Jones album, is just as likely to be Scottish or Irish as English then generalisations are not a good idea.

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 13:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...
I really have officially pretty much flipped over this thing. I've known who Sandy Denny was for years but never thought I'd "get it". I do think this album does get a bit tiring towards the very end, but this is a small quibble and I can't tell you how many times this weekend I've shed tears at the sound of that woman's powerful voice.

I only decided to try this after hearing an interview with Joe Boyd (producer) promoting his new book. It was on BBC I think. He said that for awhile in the late 60's all these Brit bands were trying to emulate US influences, and he said that then this album came out by the Band called Big Pink or whatever it was (I wrote it down) and it was just so American sounding, he said, and so good, that the Brit bands backed down and went to back to the musical roots of their own land. And so he mentioned "Liege & Lief" next and I wrote it down and I've played it several times this weekend, absolutely delighted.

Just call me a goddamn lifelong Anglophile.

Bimble, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

If even one person would post and tell me I'm not alone it would mean a lot to me.

Bimble, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

You want to get all of Sandy Denny's stuff too then, and that Fotheringay record - it's pretty much all great. I like it better than the Fairport stuff, on the whole. Liege and Lief is terrific, though.

Keith, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yes please! Tell me where to start with this woman's career!!

I also think about how Peel loved Faiport...and how the mouse toy thing he used to wear on his belt buckle was made by Sandy for him. Thinking of Peel makes me cry, too. So it's a cry-fest all around.

Bimble, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I want to see the English countryside next year, really really I want to go back once in my life...I promise, before I die...

Bimble, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

all these Brit bands were trying to emulate US influences, and he said that then this album came out by the Band called Big Pink or whatever it was (I wrote it down) and it was just so American sounding, he said, and so good, that the Brit bands backed down and went to back to the musical roots of their own land.

Which is funny, since most of The Band were from Canada. But so is the archetypal American rocker Neil Young.

Hurting 2, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:36 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Well, I pretty much hate Peel, except for the toilet roll adverts, but I guess with Sandy Denny, just start with the North Star Grassman and the Ravens and work your way forward...

xx-post.

Keith, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:36 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yes, you are right, thanks for your contribution, Hurting. I didn't understand that before.

Oh don't hate Peel...he didn't always play great music but...okay look let's not argue.

Bimble, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Sure! It's not really the place for it, here...

Keith, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

just start with the North Star Grassman and the Ravens and work your way forward...

Shall do and report back, thank you.

Bimble, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Although...wait a minute...Robbie Robertson was in the Band wasn't he? I know he is Canadian, right?

Bimble, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

you are a character

RJG, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yes I am, but I already know you are one who has held me in contempt in the past, RJG. So I hold you in suspicion, and be careful what you say.

Bimble, Sunday, 22 April 2007 21:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

not a v good character

RJG, Monday, 23 April 2007 09:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Liege and Lief is amazing - esp., "Matty Groves".

o. nate, Monday, 23 April 2007 14:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i liked this a lot when i first bought it, but listening to it again recently the only stuff i can really get into is "come all ye" and "farewell farewell" - unhalfbricking is about sixty times better

pretzel walrus, Monday, 23 April 2007 15:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Unhalfbricking" is pretty great, but I prefer "Liege".

o. nate, Monday, 23 April 2007 15:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yes, I've read RU's reviews, comments, and book, but I've thought the same thing for the last 25 years, long before I'd ever heard of him.

(That said, few rock critic's taste are so closely aligned with mine. But I do disagree on about 10% of his opinions.)

Lee626, Thursday, 17 March 2011 21:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

weirdly, steeleye span came up at breakfast this morning at my house. wife said something about "that renn faire stuff you and your older brother like"... ;_;

tylerw, Thursday, 17 March 2011 21:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

What Lee626 said is what I think, too.

Mark G, Friday, 18 March 2011 10:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

after the accident that killed martin lamble they decided they would only go on if they could more or less be a different band, hence the full leap into traditional or traditionally-inspired material. so as much as i love holiday and unhalfbricking they just felt that they were through with that stuff for very personal reasons and i'm glad they came up with another model for making great music. also, no way denny or thompson were going to stay long-term in any band where they weren't running the show.

buzza, Friday, 18 March 2011 16:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

Steeleye's "Hark! The Village Wait" has become something of a white whale to me...which is odd because you'd think it'd be just the kind of album that you would find evenly dispensed the used bins. I've seen about a million copies of "Please To See The King" (all with different covers too), but "Hark!" has proven elusive. Also lots and lots of what look like dodgy later efforts. So what's the third one that I should also be on the look for?

xtianDC, Friday, 18 March 2011 16:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ten Man Mop is the other one to look for, it's got one of the key Steeleye tracks on it - 'When I Was on Horseback'

Below The Salt has its moments too, but the first three albums are definitely the ones you need.

ka£ka (NickB), Friday, 18 March 2011 17:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q4BrtuM5mU

ka£ka (NickB), Friday, 18 March 2011 17:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Don't know if Tom was talking about that particular song when he mentioned VU btw, but there is a comparison to be made right there.

ka£ka (NickB), Friday, 18 March 2011 17:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

the first three albums are definitely the ones you need

otm

buzza, Friday, 18 March 2011 17:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

Don't know if Tom was talking about that particular song when he mentioned VU btw, but there is a comparison to be made right there.

That's exactly the song! That's the song that got me into them!

Tom D (Tom D.), Friday, 18 March 2011 17:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

would love to hear lou sing the "wasn't i gay" part

buzza, Friday, 18 March 2011 17:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

LOL

Tom D (Tom D.), Friday, 18 March 2011 17:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

Easiest way to get the classic Hutchings stuff is to get the Lark In The Morning 2cd on Sanctuary. Think it may contain a couple of bonus tracks.
the r'n'r single?

The next 5 lps are available on a 3cd set too
A Parcel of Steeleye Span.

both of those sets go pretty cheap.

There was an edition of each of the first 3 with a bonus disc of live material a few years back. i never investigated since I had the Lark In The Morning set. Not sure what quality the live material had. Would like to cos I haven't found Hutchings era stuff torrented, earliest I've found is '73

Stevolende, Friday, 18 March 2011 19:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

i listened to this every week when i was in college.... not so much for about a decade thereafter... i thought it was a bit over the top... but am rediscovering it as we speak... and it's good....

btw the two key members of sweeney's men, discussed above, later joined planxty, who are at least as awesome as fairport IMO....

by another name (amateurist), Saturday, 20 August 2011 05:36 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

It's Fairport night on BBC4 next Friday – docus on the band and RT, a (recent, sadly) live performance and some archive BBC footage from the 60s and 70s.

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Sunday, 9 September 2012 16:44 (five years ago) Permalink

Sky Arts just showed a film called London Rock earlier this week that had some footage of the Full House line-up at their communal home among some other stuff. hadn't seen it before.

Also had The Faces and a few other bands. Keep finding interesting stuff on that channel , wish I'd realised I'd had access much earlier.

There's another live set by that line-up shot in I think Maidstone in a show that also feature Matthews Southern Comfort who were also in that London Rock

Stevolende, Sunday, 9 September 2012 21:07 (five years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

Just saw that there's a huge Fairport box set out - Come All Ye: The First 10 Years, with a lot of live material, rarities, alt takes. Most of it is on Spotify, as are pretty much all their albums (many of which hadn't been added last time I checked).

JoeStork, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 17:45 (six months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

What a motherfucking album

map, Monday, 12 March 2018 10:16 (three months ago) Permalink

I wonder if the debut live L&L performance at the RAH is ever going to become releasable. Somebody did a home remastering of it a few years ago that was at least listenable.

but the recording was deemed unreleasable a few years ago.
Shame to have a recording that historic and not be able to circulate it fully.

Are advances in recording technology going to make things like that more salvageable.

Stevolende, Monday, 12 March 2018 12:35 (three months ago) Permalink

I have the "deluxe" edition with a bonus disc containing:
2-1 Sir Patrick Spens (Sandy Denny Vocal Version)
2-2 Quiet Joys Of Brotherhood {Take 4}
2-3 The Ballad Of Easy Rider
2-4 Tam Lin (BBC session)
2-5 Medley: The Lark In The Morning; Rakish Paddy; Foxhunter's Jig; Toss The Feathers (BBC session)
2-6 Sir Patrick Spens (BBC session)
2-7 Reynardine (BBC session)
2-8 Quiet Joys Of Brotherhood {Take 1}
2-9 The Lady Is A Tramp (BBC session)
2-10 Medley: The Lady Is A Tramp; In Other Words (Fly Me To The Moon)

It's a great addition to an all-time classic.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 12 March 2018 13:18 (three months ago) Permalink

I wonder if the debut live L&L performance at the RAH is ever going to become releasable. Somebody did a home remastering of it a few years ago that was at least listenable.

but the recording was deemed unreleasable a few years ago.
Shame to have a recording that historic and not be able to circulate it fully.

Are advances in recording technology going to make things like that more salvageable.

― Stevolende

it depends how low our standards as a species get!

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Monday, 12 March 2018 14:17 (three months ago) Permalink

that bbc box of theirs is totally amazing btw

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Monday, 12 March 2018 14:18 (three months ago) Permalink

don't know if i've ever heard the royal albert hall L&L performance ... anyone know where it can be found?

tylerw, Monday, 12 March 2018 15:14 (three months ago) Permalink

Royal Festival Hall. To be annoying about it.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, 12 March 2018 15:19 (three months ago) Permalink

ah — i've heard a 1970 festival hall show w/o Denny ... is this one different?

tylerw, Monday, 12 March 2018 15:21 (three months ago) Permalink

Maybe not? Is the sound quality atrocious?

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, 12 March 2018 15:23 (three months ago) Permalink

it's not great — i guess this is the one you're referring to (link is dead): http://time-has-told-me.blogspot.com/2009/01/fairport-convention.html
don't think i've heard it, judging from the comments, the quality is terrible, but I'm pretty used to that.

tylerw, Monday, 12 March 2018 15:26 (three months ago) Permalink

That's like two or three months before L+L was released, so I would think that's the gig stevolende was referring to.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, 12 March 2018 15:40 (three months ago) Permalink

someone ysi plz

tylerw, Monday, 12 March 2018 15:41 (three months ago) Permalink

I want to see the English countryside next year, really really I want to go back once in my life...I promise, before I die...

― Bimble, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:34 (ten years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ah man

imago, Monday, 12 March 2018 15:45 (three months ago) Permalink

I was wondering to what extent the L&L line up was a live band. trying to think when the accident taht killed Martin lamble happened. looks like taht was June 69 and both Sandy Denny and Ashley Hutchings quit on the way back from a Scandinavian promo appearance before the end of teh year.
Plus there had to be some recovery time and whatever time teh band spent getting their music together in teh country before it got recorded. Chronology I'm looking at here http://www.stocton.org/fc_chron.htm only has the band together for 2 months in taht lineup though some of teh new members are around for serveral months after that.
So wonder if they had time to play together live much at all.

I think that the lineups either side of that L&L one are better documented live. Dyble era has the Bouton Rouge performance which really need s to be seen. Sandy & Ian matthews has 2 1968 sets Whittlesley Barn and Amsterdam.
Then the post Denny/Hutchings line up have Maidstone and POP2 from paris as video plus there seem to be several 1970 audios.

Wish there was more around. the 2 early Sandy are quite nice.
Bouton Rouge has some great guitar from Richard Thompson.

There are also a couple fo pretty good tv appearances from 1976

Stevolende, Monday, 12 March 2018 16:01 (three months ago) Permalink

I wish they still had the TOTP appearance. Looked a laff..

Mark G, Monday, 12 March 2018 16:03 (three months ago) Permalink

xp Also would love to see taht TOTP performance where thy are consciouly miming and bringing attention to it with props and things.
Seen stills from it but don't think the actual footage survives.

It's Si tu Doir Partir from what i recall.

Stevolende, Monday, 12 March 2018 16:03 (three months ago) Permalink

I was wondering to what extent the L&L line up was a live band.
really don't think they played very much at all in the L&L lineup — Sandy was pretty much gone by the time the album was released, I think, and by early 1970 Hutchings was out too.

tylerw, Monday, 12 March 2018 16:05 (three months ago) Permalink

I thought they both quit on the way back from a Scandinavian appearance. Thought it might have been a tv show in which case would love to see the footage. if not I thought it was a radio thing which would also be a good thing to have. Thought it wasa performance as in songs rather than just an interview anyway.
Must get around to reading I Always Kept A Unicorn now.

the Ashley Hutchings biography the Guv'nor was a very good read but may be long long gone since it was on helter skelter books I think.

Stevolende, Monday, 12 March 2018 16:16 (three months ago) Permalink

Also would love to see taht TOTP performance where thy are consciouly miming and bringing attention to it with props and things.
Seen stills from it but don't think the actual footage survives.

It's Si tu Doir Partir from what i recall.

Yeah..

A bit of a shame, as they managed to get copies of the songs they did in radio session by "asking nicely at the time", otherwise they'd all have got wiped after broadcast. Which is why that BBC CD exists.

Mark G, Monday, 12 March 2018 16:41 (three months ago) Permalink

Had a lovely evening tracking back and forth across various Denny Thompson bits and pieces. Ended up with the Albion Band who are patchy but damn, Gresford Disaster and Poor Old Horse.

L&L is unimpeachable.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 12 March 2018 21:52 (three months ago) Permalink

Denny Thompson, wasn't he in Pentangle?

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, 12 March 2018 21:53 (three months ago) Permalink

Liked fighting with Jehn Martyn, so I'm told.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 12 March 2018 21:56 (three months ago) Permalink

I do like the post fairports Ashley Hutchings stuff. Albion band was mainly him plus various others over the years. Including one time wife Shirley Collins on No Roses which is worth tracking down.
As is the Battle of the Field which seems to have an inner glow that always reminds me of Kosmische stuff.
& the 1st 3 Steeleye Span lps.

Stevolende, Monday, 12 March 2018 22:09 (three months ago) Permalink

Albion band also went through a stage where it featured both Richard & Linda Thompson and covered The Left Banke prior to the recording of teh first lp. There are 2 or 3 live sets from taht very early period that circulate.

Stevolende, Monday, 12 March 2018 22:12 (three months ago) Permalink

I am hearing Bright Phoebus for the very first time rn

0_0

when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Monday, 12 March 2018 22:32 (three months ago) Permalink

according to this site:

http://home.myfairpoint.net/srabbot/fc/fcbase.htm

...the "liege and lief" band did maybe a dozen gigs before sandy denny left. i haven't heard (or seen) the danish tv broadcast - is it out there on video?

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 02:02 (three months ago) Permalink

"Tam Lin" is such a savage piece of music.

timellison, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 03:03 (three months ago) Permalink

yes "Tam Lin" is a wild ride, would love to hear a live version from the era that catches even more fire if one exists

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 09:14 (three months ago) Permalink

That List that Rushomancy links to is really fascinating. I wonder if tracklisting denotes existing recording or just surviving set list. Would love to hear those sets if they do exist anyway. & see the Danish tv performance.
Here's the 2 tracks from Bouton Rouge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zvr-IKaf9I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5IUHjLpf3A

I was hoping something like that gigography existed since I'm familiar with teh fromthearchives site which covers Gun Club, Birthday party bad Seeds etc in a somewhat similar fashion.

I don't see an entry for Ashley hutchings leaving on the list though. I thought it was on the same return trip as Sandy Denny left so surprised it wasn't included in that note. Especially since I thought he was the actual founder member that the rest of the group formed around.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 10:09 (three months ago) Permalink

Pop 2 is here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgnWWNZoa4w
and still has Richard Thompson on board.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 10:12 (three months ago) Permalink

yes "Tam Lin" is a wild ride, would love to hear a live version from the era that catches even more fire if one exists

― droit au butt (Euler)

well, i've heard the tape discussed on this thread (i'd ysi it but i've no clue where i left the darn thing) and i don't believe such a thing does exist. my recollection is that the "tam lin" at this gig is about the same as the version they recorded the day before for top gear (it's on the bbc box) but in much worse fidelity - and i don't think the top gear version is by any means a patch on the album version. on the top gear version sandy starts in full bellow and stays there - no build.

the nonexistent thing i'd love to hear is the "liege and lief" band playing "a sailor's life". it could have been great! but the band didn't last long enough for such things.

the "pop 2" show is wonderful. the '70 fairport gets way short shrift imo, and hearing richard thompson play "sloth" with wilco a couple years back was pretty fucking awesome.

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 02:54 (three months ago) Permalink

One of the great rock holy grails is a recording of (parts of) Fairport jamming with (parts of) Zeppelin at the Troubadour in Los Angeles in 1970.

"September 4, 1970 - Today, after playing to 20,000 fans at the L.A. Forum, Led Zeppelin appear with Fairport Convention at the Troubadour in L.A. to a crowd of only a few hundred. The bands share instruments. Richard Thompson, guitarist for Fairport Convention plays Page's Les Paul, but FC's drummer, Dave Mattacks is hesitant to let Bonham play his drums because of Bonham's reputation as a very powerful drummer. Bonham sits down at the kit and steps on the bass pedal. Mattack watches in horror as his bass drum flies forward a half a foot. After the jam session which lasted almost three hours, the drum heads need a good changing and the toms need a good tuning. After the jam session, Bonham retires to Barney's Beanery, an after-hours bar, where he engages in a drinking contest with Janis Joplin."

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 03:38 (three months ago) Permalink

Denny Thompson, wasn't he in Pentangle?

― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, March 12, 2018 2:53 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

TS: Denny Lethargy VS. Denny Vertigo

omar little, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 03:43 (three months ago) Permalink


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