The Katy Lied poll

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i don't think i have a favorite steely dan album. though i suppose whatever one i'm listening to at the moment is usually my favorite.

-- omar little, Friday, June 20, 2008 12:20 PM

^^This. And yet, if I had to pick just one SD song, "Your Gold Teeth II" might be my favorite. And of course this record also includes "Everyone's Gone to the Movies," which we maybe can all agree is one of the creepiest goddamn things ever put to tape, along with "Bad Sneakers" and "Dr. Wu," both v v pretty, "Black Friday" bringing the rock... oh, this is a good one.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Doctor Wu 37
Your Gold Teeth II 11
Bad Sneakers 8
Everyone's Gone to the Movies 7
Any World (That I'm Welcome To) 7
Rose Darling 6
Throw Back the Little Ones4
Black Friday 3
Daddy Don't Live in That New York City No More 1
Chain Lightning 0


kenan, Monday, 23 June 2008 19:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

still awaiting the jay & the americans poll

PappaWheelie V, Monday, 23 June 2008 19:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

this is def my favorite Dan album. don't think there is a real stand out track for me though.

mizzell, Monday, 23 June 2008 19:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

side 1 is absolutely flawless.

mizzell, Monday, 23 June 2008 19:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

This might be my least favorite of the first 6 albums, just not a lot of songs that ever fully connected with me, like I remember the choruses all really clearly, but not particularly fondly. Voted for "Any World" but "Gold Teeth II" is good, too.

some dude, Monday, 23 June 2008 19:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

Not one of my favorites either. Come to think of it, this might actually be my least favorite of their albums (I take back what I said about Aja on it's poll thread). Still some good songs on it though. Probably would pick "Doctor Wu" or "Daddy Don't Live etc".

o. nate, Monday, 23 June 2008 19:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

Nothing will dislodge The Royal Scam from its place as my least favorite Dan until Two Against Nature, but KL's second side is merely ok.

This is the album, though, that made me love them, and I still remember the scowls from the clerk I got in 1999 when I bought this (the revival hadn't started yet, no ILM, etc). Here's where they learned to write these seemingly harmless baubles of knotty syncopation, without the serrated edges of CTE and all the creepier for it ("Bad Sneakers" and "Dr. Wu").

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 23 June 2008 19:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

Here's where they learned to write these seemingly harmless baubles of knotty syncopation, without the serrated edges of CTE and all the creepier for it ("Bad Sneakers" and "Dr. Wu").

I'd say this sound actually first appeared in "Pretzel Logic" (the song) which would have fit right in on Katy Lied.

o. nate, Monday, 23 June 2008 19:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

the only thing i'm sure of is that chain lightning is the worst song on this, my favorite, dan record.

this is a case where i love love love so many of the songs on this, like jeez rose darling is just gorgeous and bad sneakers is still a mystery but.....Dr. Wu is just the most perfect song ever to me.

thx to the minutemen for covering it and making me a steely dan fan.

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 23 June 2008 19:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'd say this sound actually first appeared in "Pretzel Logic" (the song) which would have fit right in on Katy Lied.

I thought about it, but Pretzel Logic has a few dense songs. "Barrytown" and "Any Major Dude..." fit the bill.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 23 June 2008 19:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

Gold Teeth II

teflon monkey, Monday, 23 June 2008 20:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

This album was where I lived in one of my darkest hours. It's excruciatingly painful for me to listen to - I don't even know where my copy's at at the moment, and when I start to look for it, I usually think better of it before I find it. "Doctor Wu" is my instinctive answer, but "Rose Darling" is so dense and rich - "I would guess she's in Detroit, with lots of money in the bank/although I could be wrong" one of my all time favorite Fagen turns of phrase. And then there's "Your Gold Teeth II," which has one of Fagen's greatest vocals of the era - "who scheme and run wiiiiild," brutal.

But for me it's either "Rose Darling" or "Dr. Wu" and I'll just be flipping a oin at that point.

J0hn D., Monday, 23 June 2008 20:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

a coin, even

J0hn D., Monday, 23 June 2008 20:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

oining a phrase

kenan, Monday, 23 June 2008 20:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

oing oing oinging a phrase, I think you mean

J0hn D., Monday, 23 June 2008 20:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Your Gold Teeth II" is probably the first song on this album I really connected to, and I attribute that wholly to the Charlie Brown Christmas piano.

David R., Monday, 23 June 2008 20:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

fuck I can't find my copy, I'm about 95% sure I've bought this damn thing three times and i feel like I gotta hear it today

stupid disorganized packrat sensibilities really suck when you gotta hear something and you don't seem to have ever transferred it to the hard drive

J0hn D., Monday, 23 June 2008 20:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

btw Becker plays mad-wicked guitar on this.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 23 June 2008 20:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Any World (That I'm Welcome To)"

Brad C., Monday, 23 June 2008 20:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

I thought about it, but Pretzel Logic has a few dense songs. "Barrytown" and "Any Major Dude..." fit the bill

Dense, yeah, but they lack that bluesy vamp thing that runs through most of Katy. "Bad Sneakers" to me sounds more like a Pretzel Logic song - the overt formal playfulness of it. But maybe that's my own idiosyncratic interpretation.

o. nate, Monday, 23 June 2008 20:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

doctor wu is my favorite steely dan song, so its that

rose darling is runner-up

ciderpress, Monday, 23 June 2008 20:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

Christgau OTM:

Opening with an economic crash and closing with a smacked-out rumination about succor, betrayal, and Vietnam, the first side seems surprisingly sweet and lyrical--mostly by way of the Manhattan nostalgia of "Bad Sneakers" and the faithless passion of "Rose Darling," but also, and most tellingly, in the rumination. This is a matter of rhythm and timbre rather than verbal content--the music lets us know that their cynicism is no more a celebration of cynicism than their smack references are a celebration of smack, lets us know we can break the habit. By comparison the three skillful urban miniatures on side two seem thin and tight, never quite brought around by the more expansive emotions of "Your Gold Teeth II" (throw them out and see how they roll) and "Any World (That I'm Welcome To)" ("Is better than the one I come from"). A-

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 23 June 2008 20:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

Betting on the favorite, "Doctor Wu," on which, as you know, the man who married Charlie Parker's widow plays alto.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 23 June 2008 21:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Everyone's Gone To The Movies". Creepy lyrics, but wonderful song.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 23 June 2008 21:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

I threw up the first time I listened to this album. Until some good friends nudged me a little on Gaucho, this was my favorite Dan album.

Much as I love the hopelessness of "Any World That I'm Welcome To," my favorite's got to be "Everyone's Gone to the Movies," mostly because I feel like when the chorus comes in I can't shake the image of the protagonist's eyes lighting up like a pinball machine, which anyone who knows the song will know that's a strongly disturbing image.

For the record, the movie Happiness boldly cribs this album. Todd Solondz's whole oeurve is practically a giant Steely Dan flick.

talrose, Monday, 23 June 2008 21:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

my least favourite of Dan's good years albums, but gold teeth 2.black friday close 2nd

Zeno, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 12:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

doctor wu!

the next grozart, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 13:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

I've heard Fagen & Becker weren't happy with the way it was mixed, but this one usually hovers around my top two, maybe three favorite. Excepting Aja, possibly the only SD record for me without a single weak(ish) track.

after some serious consideration, I've got it narrowed down to Dr. Wu & Bad Sneakers.

will, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 13:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

i mean even Gaucho & Countdown have a song a piece i could skip over.

ok maybe chain lightning doesn't hit quite like the others. Still awesome though.

will, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 13:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Any World (That I'm Welcome To)" for me too

Joe, Thursday, 26 June 2008 00:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

Show Biz Kids! I am soooo loving the sound of crickets over on the CtE thread...
Dr. Wu, fer sher

iago g., Thursday, 26 June 2008 02:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Black Friday" - such a perfect opener, their best gleeful rocker
"When Black Friday comes / I'll collect everything I'm owed / And before my friends find out / I'll be on the road", it mentions KANGAROOS!

etc, Thursday, 26 June 2008 04:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

my favorite record of theirs, even though i also massively heart "aja" and "gaucho".

it's a good record to listen to when you're feeling down but not yet out. ridiculously compassionate and incisive lyrical vibe

dell, Thursday, 26 June 2008 19:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

like, people always are harping on about how cynical their lyrics are and stuff, but they have come up with some really moving stuff. fucking "any major dude" is like getting a massage from yr favorite grandparent (AND NOT IN A CREEPY WAY)

dell, Thursday, 26 June 2008 19:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

A grandparent who tells you the world's gone to shit after giving you said massage, though.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 26 June 2008 19:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

"doctor wu" is one of the best songs ever committed to vinyl which deals with the subject of substance abuse, and "caves of altamira" functions as a non-creepy counterpoint to "everyone's gone to the movies" childhood experiences. how do human beings manage to write such a groovy song about childhood perspectives? i dunno, but they somehow managed to do it.

dell, Thursday, 26 June 2008 19:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Any Major Dude" is great because it's so compassionate yet contemptuous at the same time.

o. nate, Thursday, 26 June 2008 19:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Caves" is on The Royal Scam.

jaymc, Thursday, 26 June 2008 19:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

xpost

haha, right you are on that point, Alfred

further xposts

yeah, exactly, o. nate. i stand/sit in awe of that shit

xxxxpost

yes, i realize that jamymc

dell, Thursday, 26 June 2008 19:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh OK, carry on then.

jaymc, Thursday, 26 June 2008 19:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

yes, i realize that jamymc

please change your username to that posthaste

dell, Thursday, 26 June 2008 19:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

I don't want to do your dirty work no more.

dell, Thursday, 26 June 2008 19:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

YGTII

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 09:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

O, the things we've seen and heard! -- an Arp synthesizer burning in the courtyard of a West Hollywood sound stage -- the thunder of a DeTomaso Pantera parked beneath the echo chambers of Studio C -- the mighty room-service bill from the Beverly Wilshire hotel, reflecting the cost of the joyful reunion of Mr. Phil Woods and 200 of his closest L.A. studio/jazz-musician pallies . . .

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 10:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

ROSE DARLING. One of the loveliest choruses ever and an even for SD deliciously made track. Bought '95 or so, my 1st SD album, guy didn't give me a funny look but since I was 16 or whatever he prob thought it was for my dad

Niles Caulder, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 10:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

Except maybe for Gaucho, I find this their most despairing album and as such, an extremely unpleasant listening experience, great though it is. I can very much see why anyone would think twice before playing it.

I went with "Doctor Wu," in many ways the ultimate Steely Dan song, for how it amps up both the catchiness and the nihilism and how it burdens single words with so much meaning.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 11:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

My favorite early SD album. "Doctor Wu" gets my vote - it's niiice.

Moodles, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

that fearsome excavation on Magnolia Boulevard

kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

Dr. Wu

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

Dr Wu

ablaeser, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 00:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Monday, 28 July 2008 23:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

Dr. Wu

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 July 2008 23:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Doctor Wu" was one of my favorite SD tracks for a long time, but I've also always been sorta drawn to "Any World" for its... shit, I dunno... it's got that cinematic quality that they achieve sometimes, but even compared to something like "Black Friday" or "Here at the Western World" or "Aja", "Any World" seems so over-the-top and melodramatic in its desperation. and I'm really pretty down on life lately, so for some reason that's very appealing to me right now.

bernard snowy, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 00:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

it is "Dr. Wu" for me, finally. but "Rose Darling" comes damn close.

J0hn D., Tuesday, 29 July 2008 02:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

Wu

our work is never over, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 02:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

I agree w/ geir
the drums at the end of the track are great

uh oh I'm having a fantasy, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm geir btw

uh oh I'm having a fantasy, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 00:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Ellington would've dug the horns in the bridge of "Throw Back the Little Ones."

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 08:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

Bad sneakers and a pina colada, my friend!!!!!!1111111

The Sorrows of Young Jeezy (jim), Monday, 13 July 2009 01:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

I like how the lyrics in "Dr. Wu" mention a "Katy TRIED..." and a "Katy LIES..." (but not a "Katy LIED...," strangely enough), and the album cover is a picture of a katyDID.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 13 July 2009 02:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

I would guess she's in detroit, with lots of money in the bank, although I could be wrong...

dyªº (dyao), Saturday, 24 April 2010 16:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

been thinking about j0hn d. pinpointing this line as being the crux of this song and basically he could not be more otm if his name was nabisco

dyªº (dyao), Saturday, 24 April 2010 16:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

although I could be wrong.

dyªº (dyao), Saturday, 24 April 2010 16:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

I love this album, but I really don't like that it ends with "Throw Back the Little Ones." "Any World" is such a perfect ending to a near-perfect album. I wouldn't mind if "Throw Back" was actually not on the record, entirely.

slagterm, Monday, 20 December 2010 03:50 (six years ago) Permalink

but those horns are so great! I hear it as a kind of epilogue (musically. at least), although "any world" is one if my favorite songs of theirs and would work wonderfully as a closer

blank, Monday, 20 December 2010 10:06 (six years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

everyone's gone to the movies = the most steely dan song ever?

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:40 (three years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

THROW BACK the little ones, and PAN FRY the big ones.
Use TACT, POISE, and REASON
To GENTLY SQUEEEZE them

I know hoes that know Ali Farka Toure (voodoo chili), Thursday, 27 October 2016 15:19 (one year ago) Permalink

Daddy Don't Live in That New York City No More 1

harsh!

piscesx, Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:35 (one year ago) Permalink

That sudden key change on the chorus 'Bad Sneakers'!

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:55 (one year ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

THROW BACK the little ones, and PAN FRY the big ones.
Use TACT, POISE, and REASON
To GENTLY SQUEEEZE them

― I know hoes that know Ali Farka Toure (voodoo chili), Thursday, October 27, 2016 11:19 AM (ten months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i often want to make this exact post

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 22:41 (two months ago) Permalink

Porcaro's drumming on this record is so OTM.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 16:59 (two months ago) Permalink

yea he kills it on Everyone's Gone to the Movies

flappy bird, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:12 (two months ago) Permalink

dr wu probably is the best song on the record, but wow, why such a blowout? any world, throw back, gold teeth, bad sneakers, even rose darling nip right at its heels.

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:14 (two months ago) Permalink

even most definitely rose darling

gospodin simmel, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:15 (two months ago) Permalink

'Rose Darling' is one of my favourite songs on here without a doubt!

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:18 (two months ago) Permalink


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