So, Fleet Foxes...

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No one here seems to be talking about them; is this right? The album is very nice indeed - in fact White Winter Hymnal and Ragged Wood are wondrous - and I'm waiting on a copy of the EP soon. The Beach Boys keep getting mentioned but I think the folk and religious overtones are more important. They're quite like... a poppier Grizzly Bear. Definitely one of my favourite albums of the year thus far; I gather they've had loads of hype -= from which directions?

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

I gather they've had loads of hype -= from which directions?

Radcliffe & Maconie for one.

NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

OK, this is weird. i got an e-mail yesterday from my former boss, which just said:

"So... fleet foxes?"

either way: not heard them, vaguely intrigued, should probably rectify that blah blah.

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

I gather they've had loads of hype -= from which directions?

Guardian Media Group

Bocken Social Scene, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

Have only heard a little, but was quite charmed by the way the hymnal thing conjures up the dusty school assembly hall vibe. Felt like I should be listening to it sitting cross-legged in my socks.

NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

Shite name though.

NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

I've listened to it three times now and wanted to like it but it's just failed to impress upon me altogether. There are a few nice moment, primarily when they drop the drums and go properly folky, but overall they just sound like a really dull, asset stripped version of My Morning Jacket's quieter moments.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

the record starts promosing, but the Shins meets Grizzly Bear formula is repeated too many times and i lost patience

Zeno, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

I've been bombarded by almost daily emails lauding their praises from their PR people for the last six months or so.

They are terrible and the Radcliffe/Maconie ALLEGED PAYOLA hype is particularly insufferable though one should expect no better from the Bella Union Guardian Music section.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

Actually, Radcliffe and Maconie are just particularly insufferable at the moment - smug, racist, sexist, homophobic, Tory twats, and that's just their listeners.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't know, I only ever listen to them when I'm driving home from the Bowls club.

NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

And woe betide anyone who fails to toe the party line - the M+M whip will decry you as "contrived."

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

The hype has certainly been off-putting, but my jury's out on them thus far. It all sounds very pretty, especially the vocals; I'll give them that much at least.

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

They strike me very much as a group for the kind of people who won't admit to liking Coldplay.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

I dunno, they're a lot more low-key than Clodpole, I didn't really get any sense of stadium aspirations.

NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

Given the descriptions, this is the sort of Southall music I'd probably find a bit dull, because I have "no heart". As opposed to the sort of Southall music that appeals to the subjective heart I do have. Still, I'll give them a go at some point.

Just got offed, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

The first time I heard White Winter Hymnal and Ragged Wood it made my heart want to burst.

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

So you'll probably hate them, Louis...

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

This is the CD of the month mailed out by the Rough Trade Album Club, but I haven't had a chance to listen to it. It came with a bonus disc of extra songs.

Savannah Smiles, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

Plenty going for £4 in MVE in a month's time then.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 12:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

There's something saccharine in the harmonies that's oft-putting.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 12:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yeah I'd go with that, but then I don't even like the Beach Boys.

I'd say less Coldplay, more the Magic Numbers without the fat jokes.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 12:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

The first time I heard White Winter Hymnal and Ragged Wood it made my heart want to burst.

I had the same reaction to White Winter Hymnal. And the saccharine harmonies are what make them appealing to me. Just bought the full disc.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 18 June 2008 12:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

I don't like The Beach Boys either!

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

the Magic Numbers without the fat jokes.

lolololol

banriquit, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

overall they just sound like a really dull, asset stripped version of My Morning Jacket's quieter moments.

amen. not into it.

poortheatre, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

Good name that doesn't fit the music - nice vocal sounds, but the predictable, uninteresting chord progressions render the overall effect lifeless and drab.

dubmill, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

Counting Crows for a (slightly) different demographic.

Sara Sara Sara, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

Great drum sound.

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

Not really getting the Counting Crows thing. Light, beatific, joyous vs overwrought emotional trauma?

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

50% Shins, 50% Midlake for me. Nice, but a bit uninteresting stuff.

zeus, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

Not getting the Coldplay thing, either. "Hello clouds, hello sky, hello ickle pretty birdies..." vs. "Meh, bit miserable, shall I kiss it better..."

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

Specifically the start of Ragged Wood reminds me of the "each day / spend it with you / yeah" bit in that Grizzly Bear song when the hammond gets going and everything notches up tempo-wise and IT'S AWESOME. Those drums make me want to run into the mountains forever and live in a delirious cabin.

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh Mike, btw, I think you might dig the Shearwater album if you've not already heard it.

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

I prefer Grizzly Bear doing it.

How can you scratch your head at Coldplay yet savour those apnoeic cacafuegos Elbow?

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hahahaha, I love you, Marcello.

I prefer Grizzly doing it too, just about, but that doesn't mean I don't like Fleet Foxes doing it, at least for the moment.

Elbow do everything Coldplay do but with a better singer, better lyrics, better rhythms, more interesting songs, a wider emotional palette, a better guitarist and less grade 1 piano.

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh Mike, btw, I think you might dig the Shearwater album if you've not already heard it.

Man, Shearwater strikes me as a really dull, plodding, flat-sounding band. The :30 samples from their new disc haven't changed my mind yet. When I hear or read someone say "Indie-Schmindie," or some other snide, I think they're talking about bands like Shearwater and Okervil River. I know some people are passionate about those bands, tho. Maybe just not for my (old) ears (damn kids with their crazy rock music).

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

RONG (xpost)

Nothing wrong with Grade I piano when emotions demand it. If only Elbow had some Cecil Taylor piano, it might drown out the drear ramblings of Guy "Ventolin Man" Garvey.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

Elbow are what people think Embrace are like.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hahahaha!

Daniel, Esq., I'm not familiar at all with Shearwater pre Rook, but Rook is some pretty awesome, folk-rock-ambient shit.

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

My first impressions were a bit premature, "He Doesn't Know Why", "Heard Them Stirring" and "Your Protector" are truly beautiful songs.

zeus, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm looking forward to the Hova "Your Protector" remix: "You walk along the stream BOUNCE, BOUNCE/Your head caught in a waking dream IT'S YA BOYY
Your protector's coming home and you don't STOP &c."

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

Not really getting the Counting Crows thing. Light, beatific, joyous vs overwrought emotional trauma?

I just meant Counting Crows in the wearing-influences-on-sleeve/static background muzak kinda way.

Sara Sara Sara, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

"white winter hymnal" excepted, the album is a huge letdown after the e.p. the hype these guys are getting is a little overbearing, kind of like the obnoxious liner notes on the sleeve of the cd--a lot of positioning how we're supposed to receive and listen to them, what bands we're supposed to be hearing as influences that these fleet foxes are upgrading for us

kamerad, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

See, in the old days you had, say, a Buffalo Springfield album, and all you got was maybe a picture of the band on the front and another on the back plus personnel details, track listing and other relevant credits and you had to work the rest out for yourself instead of being spoonfed.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

That's not entirely true, Marcello, is it? If anything you get less info on record sleeves these days cos it';s all on fucking Facebook.

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

CD packaging is pathetic these days. All you get is a picture of the artist on the front and maybe another on the back plus track listings, personnel details (if you're lucky) and other relevant credits (not always) and so you have to work the rest out for yourself instead of being given proper information what you've paid your hard earned £16 for innit.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

Elbow do everything Coldplay do but with a better singer, better lyrics, better rhythms, more interesting songs, a wider emotional palette, a better guitarist and less grade 1 piano.

And more imaginative/adventurous arrangements/production, greater emotional acuity and honesty, a sense of genuine rather than ersatz connection with their listeners, a total lack of pomposity... I could go on!

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh Mike, btw, I think you might dig the Shearwater album if you've not already heard it.

Just playing "Red Sea, Black Sea" now. Hmm, starts off like Richard Thompson, and then it all expands outwards and kind of goes WAAAA! Yes, not bad at all.

As for Grizzly Bear: I didn't like that Crystals cover at all, sorry. But hark, what's this... "Knife"... ooh, much more like it...

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

Rook is some pretty awesome, folk-rock-ambient shit.

Okay, this is the new one, yes? It's on eMusic. I'll investigate.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

An aside: speaking of 60's group harmonies that were possibly influential on the Fleet boys — what about the Association?

Austin, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:07 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

turns out i like a fleet foxes song. who knew?

crüt, Monday, 13 January 2014 01:52 (three years ago) Permalink

are you okay? you should sit down, elevate your legs, maybe take a sedative.

Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 13 January 2014 02:18 (three years ago) Permalink

wait, sedative + fleet-foxes song might be a bad combination.

Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 13 January 2014 02:18 (three years ago) Permalink

which song

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Monday, 13 January 2014 03:27 (three years ago) Permalink

I think there was one I liked, but then there was a grizzly bear song that sounded very similar to it but better and then I forgot about the fleet foxes song

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Monday, 13 January 2014 03:27 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah it was this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afRPnsncupg

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Monday, 13 January 2014 03:32 (three years ago) Permalink

fleet foxes are okay. bon iver can be okay. sufjan stevens is okay. many indie bands that are pilloried endlessly are okay. if people can listen appreciatively to seals & crofts songs, they can hardly complain much about fleet foxes.

Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 13 January 2014 03:33 (three years ago) Permalink

I think those are all examples of people that are pretty damned good at their craft, and all have a certain kind of tender yet grand style that can get very cloying in more than a small dose.

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Monday, 13 January 2014 03:34 (three years ago) Permalink

i think you can say that about a lot of pop stars, too.

and hey, i like beyonce a lot.

Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 13 January 2014 03:35 (three years ago) Permalink

(in relatively small doses).

Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 13 January 2014 03:36 (three years ago) Permalink

(apologies for the snark; by-product of late-night document review. i think you're exactly right)

Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 13 January 2014 03:37 (three years ago) Permalink

Bon Iver and Fleet Foxes especially seem to have discovered this certain sound that is very pleasing and sweet and emotional but just over-relied on it to the point of it becoming maddening. It's like watching a movie where the Maurice Jarre theme is playing the whole time instead of just at key moments.

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Monday, 13 January 2014 03:40 (three years ago) Permalink

i get that. still, while it may be a reflection of my age or a desire to revisit my youth, if bon iver wants to record a dozen more albums that sound like toto, i'd be fine with it.

Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 13 January 2014 03:43 (three years ago) Permalink

i remember that fleet foxes song (english house). it's good.

Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 13 January 2014 03:51 (three years ago) Permalink

I don't think I've really listened to the Bon Iver album that sounds like toto. That sounds different than what I'm thinking of.

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Monday, 13 January 2014 03:55 (three years ago) Permalink

best example, iirc

Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 13 January 2014 03:57 (three years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

From FB today:

For anyone who's curious, this is a short Fleet Foxes update - been a while! So, after the last round of touring, I decided to go back to school. I never got an undergraduate degree, and this felt like the right time to both see what that was about and to try something new after a while in the touring / recording lifestyle. I moved to New York and enrolled at Columbia, and I've mostly been doing that, but I'm working on songs and excited for whatever happens next musically, even if it's down the line. Hope all is well out there.

Best,
Robin

Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 21:24 (three years ago) Permalink

he should've stayed silent

markers, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 22:50 (three years ago) Permalink

I don't listen to this band but I think that's kind of rad, that he just went and got a degree

Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 22:56 (three years ago) Permalink

totally 100% agree with this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Daniel, Esq 2, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 23:16 (three years ago) Permalink

Next he's going to start making meta-art, acting in indies, doing installations, writing books, acting in soaps..

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 23:39 (three years ago) Permalink

I still maintain that they're done. He will do music again in some capacity, but Fleet Foxes burned him out big time.

austinato (Austin), Thursday, 24 April 2014 00:20 (three years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

FB today

Hey

We have two shows happening next year that are ready to announce - the BBK Live festival in Bilbao, Spain, and the Vida Festival in Barcelona. Late June / early July. Many more to come worldwide, our third album is almost done and we're very... very... very excited

FF

a full playlist of presidential apocalypse jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 17 November 2016 20:37 (eleven months ago) Permalink

sweet!

Οὖτις, Thursday, 17 November 2016 20:53 (eleven months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

new one is very good

calstars, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 01:43 (seven months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

best band going, Pecknold is a visionary

alpine static, Monday, 12 June 2017 22:17 (four months ago) Permalink

History still out on that one but dude does harmonize well withhimsrkf

calstars, Monday, 12 June 2017 23:10 (four months ago) Permalink

* well with himself

calstars, Monday, 12 June 2017 23:11 (four months ago) Permalink

New songs so far don't exactly sound like a big evolution from the old stuff, but also I really liked the old stuff and I like the new songs too.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 00:19 (four months ago) Permalink

Dude has a very nice voice

calstars, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 01:59 (four months ago) Permalink

I am very nonplussed by this new material. I'll still get the album and give it my undivided attention, as it's been one of my anticipated releases since Robin started to indicate he was doing music again, roughly sixteen months ago.

But, I dunno, all those accusations thrown at the last two albums of being needlessly complicated and too self-referential never made sense to me. But, unfortunately, it's starting to ring true with this new material. It just feels so overthought and too self-conscious. Helplessness Blues, in particular, had such a free-flowing, organic vibe to it, but so far this new stuff feels very stiff, contrived, and unnatural.

Austin, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:02 (four months ago) Permalink

I really like the new album but I also think that ^^ is a fair observation\

i am all for Robin exploring whatever he wants to explore, but i'd be lying if i said i wouldn't play an album full of "Third of May"s over and over again until the end of time

alpine static, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 21:01 (four months ago) Permalink

was playing the newest amen dunes and my friend thought it was the new fleet foxes. wasn't interested in listening until he said that?

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 21:07 (four months ago) Permalink

Robin is great at music imo and all the self-consciousness is a result of him growing up as a participant in the online environment, and once he became a public figure, seeing his role change from "having a voice" to "being a topic"

fgti, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 14:10 (four months ago) Permalink

this is not on Spotify, is this not out yet?

Bee OK, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 23:58 (four months ago) Permalink

This doesn't seem as revelatory as their earliest stiff bit yeah, it's still really good

calstars, Thursday, 15 June 2017 00:02 (four months ago) Permalink

Friday is the official release date.

Austin, Thursday, 15 June 2017 01:16 (four months ago) Permalink

Loved the debut for its creepy pastoral hauntingness but they completely lost me on the second with all the psychedelic excess

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 15 June 2017 08:23 (four months ago) Permalink

Saw him supporting Joanna Newsom last year and he was amazing. He played one or two new songs, some old stuff and a couple of covers, then did a duet with Newsom at the end of her set. The thing is his voice is just so flat out gorgeous that in general you want as few instruments as possible (or no instruments, where appropriate) in the way. Someone just needs to lock him in a room and stick a mic in front of him.

the_ecuador_three, Thursday, 15 June 2017 10:02 (four months ago) Permalink

Well, going in for my first proper listening of the whole thing now and I'm feeling like my initial assessment a few days ago (at that point, just judging by the pre-release songs) was unfortunately a little too on the mark.

I mean, it's obviously very carefully crafted music and the overall wash of it all is, at first, rather pleasant. But, I don't know. It's so impenetrable and rambling. There are practically no melodies here, either. In the past, songs like 'Ragged Wood' or 'The Plains / Bitter Dance' were pretty dense, but at least there was something musical to latch onto. Crack-Up feels so monotone and un-dynamic by comparison.

It's definitely a very pretty, reverby album — it just all sounds like one long song. But, I don't know; maybe that was the point?

Austin, Friday, 16 June 2017 19:00 (four months ago) Permalink

Also, this:

they completely lost me on the second with all the psychedelic excess

Is quite simply balderdash. I can't think of a single moment on that album that would even imply psychedelia.

Austin, Friday, 16 June 2017 19:04 (four months ago) Permalink

it just all sounds like one long song

Pecknold and FJM back on the same page eh

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 June 2017 19:07 (four months ago) Permalink

=/

Austin, Friday, 16 June 2017 19:11 (four months ago) Permalink

i agree there are more drifty / wandering / less-melodic parts to this album, but "no" melodies? to me, Third of May, Fool's Errand, Crack-Up and maybe Cassius and Keep Time are all on par with the first two albums melodically

alpine static, Friday, 16 June 2017 20:50 (four months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

"Mearcstapa" on the new one is pretty great. I like the "How to Disappear Completely" bassline

calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:39 (three months ago) Permalink

Little detours every now and then are nice, like the minute of piano at the end of "Fools Errand"

calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:51 (three months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

http://www.stereogum.com/1954233/watch-phish-cover-fleet-foxes-at-msg/video/

How embarrassing for FF

calstars, Friday, 28 July 2017 18:25 (two months ago) Permalink

embarrassed for everyone, really

global tetrahedron, Friday, 28 July 2017 18:29 (two months ago) Permalink

there's a fair amount to like on the new one but pecknold needs to work with a lyricist or something.

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 28 July 2017 20:30 (two months ago) Permalink


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