So, Fleet Foxes...

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No one here seems to be talking about them; is this right? The album is very nice indeed - in fact White Winter Hymnal and Ragged Wood are wondrous - and I'm waiting on a copy of the EP soon. The Beach Boys keep getting mentioned but I think the folk and religious overtones are more important. They're quite like... a poppier Grizzly Bear. Definitely one of my favourite albums of the year thus far; I gather they've had loads of hype -= from which directions?

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:45 (twelve years ago) link

I gather they've had loads of hype -= from which directions?

Radcliffe & Maconie for one.

NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:47 (twelve years ago) link

OK, this is weird. i got an e-mail yesterday from my former boss, which just said:

"So... fleet foxes?"

either way: not heard them, vaguely intrigued, should probably rectify that blah blah.

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:49 (twelve years ago) link

I gather they've had loads of hype -= from which directions?

Guardian Media Group

Bocken Social Scene, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:50 (twelve years ago) link

Have only heard a little, but was quite charmed by the way the hymnal thing conjures up the dusty school assembly hall vibe. Felt like I should be listening to it sitting cross-legged in my socks.

NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:57 (twelve years ago) link

Shite name though.

NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:57 (twelve years ago) link

I've listened to it three times now and wanted to like it but it's just failed to impress upon me altogether. There are a few nice moment, primarily when they drop the drums and go properly folky, but overall they just sound like a really dull, asset stripped version of My Morning Jacket's quieter moments.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:14 (twelve years ago) link

the record starts promosing, but the Shins meets Grizzly Bear formula is repeated too many times and i lost patience

Zeno, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:17 (twelve years ago) link

I've been bombarded by almost daily emails lauding their praises from their PR people for the last six months or so.

They are terrible and the Radcliffe/Maconie ALLEGED PAYOLA hype is particularly insufferable though one should expect no better from the Bella Union Guardian Music section.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:21 (twelve years ago) link

Actually, Radcliffe and Maconie are just particularly insufferable at the moment - smug, racist, sexist, homophobic, Tory twats, and that's just their listeners.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:22 (twelve years ago) link

I wouldn't know, I only ever listen to them when I'm driving home from the Bowls club.

NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:38 (twelve years ago) link

And woe betide anyone who fails to toe the party line - the M+M whip will decry you as "contrived."

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:41 (twelve years ago) link

The hype has certainly been off-putting, but my jury's out on them thus far. It all sounds very pretty, especially the vocals; I'll give them that much at least.

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:47 (twelve years ago) link

They strike me very much as a group for the kind of people who won't admit to liking Coldplay.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:03 (twelve years ago) link

I dunno, they're a lot more low-key than Clodpole, I didn't really get any sense of stadium aspirations.

NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:10 (twelve years ago) link

Given the descriptions, this is the sort of Southall music I'd probably find a bit dull, because I have "no heart". As opposed to the sort of Southall music that appeals to the subjective heart I do have. Still, I'll give them a go at some point.

Just got offed, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:12 (twelve years ago) link

The first time I heard White Winter Hymnal and Ragged Wood it made my heart want to burst.

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:28 (twelve years ago) link

So you'll probably hate them, Louis...

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:28 (twelve years ago) link

This is the CD of the month mailed out by the Rough Trade Album Club, but I haven't had a chance to listen to it. It came with a bonus disc of extra songs.

Savannah Smiles, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:43 (twelve years ago) link

Plenty going for £4 in MVE in a month's time then.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 12:20 (twelve years ago) link

There's something saccharine in the harmonies that's oft-putting.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 12:24 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah I'd go with that, but then I don't even like the Beach Boys.

I'd say less Coldplay, more the Magic Numbers without the fat jokes.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 12:28 (twelve years ago) link

The first time I heard White Winter Hymnal and Ragged Wood it made my heart want to burst.

I had the same reaction to White Winter Hymnal. And the saccharine harmonies are what make them appealing to me. Just bought the full disc.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 18 June 2008 12:53 (twelve years ago) link

I don't like The Beach Boys either!

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:02 (twelve years ago) link

the Magic Numbers without the fat jokes.

lolololol

banriquit, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:03 (twelve years ago) link

overall they just sound like a really dull, asset stripped version of My Morning Jacket's quieter moments.

amen. not into it.

poortheatre, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:13 (twelve years ago) link

Good name that doesn't fit the music - nice vocal sounds, but the predictable, uninteresting chord progressions render the overall effect lifeless and drab.

dubmill, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:28 (twelve years ago) link

Counting Crows for a (slightly) different demographic.

Sara Sara Sara, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:34 (twelve years ago) link

Great drum sound.

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:38 (twelve years ago) link

Not really getting the Counting Crows thing. Light, beatific, joyous vs overwrought emotional trauma?

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:39 (twelve years ago) link

50% Shins, 50% Midlake for me. Nice, but a bit uninteresting stuff.

zeus, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:00 (twelve years ago) link

Not getting the Coldplay thing, either. "Hello clouds, hello sky, hello ickle pretty birdies..." vs. "Meh, bit miserable, shall I kiss it better..."

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:01 (twelve years ago) link

Specifically the start of Ragged Wood reminds me of the "each day / spend it with you / yeah" bit in that Grizzly Bear song when the hammond gets going and everything notches up tempo-wise and IT'S AWESOME. Those drums make me want to run into the mountains forever and live in a delirious cabin.

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:04 (twelve years ago) link

Oh Mike, btw, I think you might dig the Shearwater album if you've not already heard it.

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:06 (twelve years ago) link

I prefer Grizzly Bear doing it.

How can you scratch your head at Coldplay yet savour those apnoeic cacafuegos Elbow?

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:08 (twelve years ago) link

Hahahaha, I love you, Marcello.

I prefer Grizzly doing it too, just about, but that doesn't mean I don't like Fleet Foxes doing it, at least for the moment.

Elbow do everything Coldplay do but with a better singer, better lyrics, better rhythms, more interesting songs, a wider emotional palette, a better guitarist and less grade 1 piano.

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:10 (twelve years ago) link

Oh Mike, btw, I think you might dig the Shearwater album if you've not already heard it.

Man, Shearwater strikes me as a really dull, plodding, flat-sounding band. The :30 samples from their new disc haven't changed my mind yet. When I hear or read someone say "Indie-Schmindie," or some other snide, I think they're talking about bands like Shearwater and Okervil River. I know some people are passionate about those bands, tho. Maybe just not for my (old) ears (damn kids with their crazy rock music).

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:12 (twelve years ago) link

RONG (xpost)

Nothing wrong with Grade I piano when emotions demand it. If only Elbow had some Cecil Taylor piano, it might drown out the drear ramblings of Guy "Ventolin Man" Garvey.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:14 (twelve years ago) link

Elbow are what people think Embrace are like.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:14 (twelve years ago) link

Hahahaha!

Daniel, Esq., I'm not familiar at all with Shearwater pre Rook, but Rook is some pretty awesome, folk-rock-ambient shit.

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:16 (twelve years ago) link

My first impressions were a bit premature, "He Doesn't Know Why", "Heard Them Stirring" and "Your Protector" are truly beautiful songs.

zeus, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:19 (twelve years ago) link

I'm looking forward to the Hova "Your Protector" remix: "You walk along the stream BOUNCE, BOUNCE/Your head caught in a waking dream IT'S YA BOYY
Your protector's coming home and you don't STOP &c."

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:22 (twelve years ago) link

Not really getting the Counting Crows thing. Light, beatific, joyous vs overwrought emotional trauma?

I just meant Counting Crows in the wearing-influences-on-sleeve/static background muzak kinda way.

Sara Sara Sara, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:28 (twelve years ago) link

"white winter hymnal" excepted, the album is a huge letdown after the e.p. the hype these guys are getting is a little overbearing, kind of like the obnoxious liner notes on the sleeve of the cd--a lot of positioning how we're supposed to receive and listen to them, what bands we're supposed to be hearing as influences that these fleet foxes are upgrading for us

kamerad, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:30 (twelve years ago) link

See, in the old days you had, say, a Buffalo Springfield album, and all you got was maybe a picture of the band on the front and another on the back plus personnel details, track listing and other relevant credits and you had to work the rest out for yourself instead of being spoonfed.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:38 (twelve years ago) link

That's not entirely true, Marcello, is it? If anything you get less info on record sleeves these days cos it';s all on fucking Facebook.

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:41 (twelve years ago) link

CD packaging is pathetic these days. All you get is a picture of the artist on the front and maybe another on the back plus track listings, personnel details (if you're lucky) and other relevant credits (not always) and so you have to work the rest out for yourself instead of being given proper information what you've paid your hard earned £16 for innit.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:46 (twelve years ago) link

Elbow do everything Coldplay do but with a better singer, better lyrics, better rhythms, more interesting songs, a wider emotional palette, a better guitarist and less grade 1 piano.

And more imaginative/adventurous arrangements/production, greater emotional acuity and honesty, a sense of genuine rather than ersatz connection with their listeners, a total lack of pomposity... I could go on!

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:48 (twelve years ago) link

Oh Mike, btw, I think you might dig the Shearwater album if you've not already heard it.

Just playing "Red Sea, Black Sea" now. Hmm, starts off like Richard Thompson, and then it all expands outwards and kind of goes WAAAA! Yes, not bad at all.

As for Grizzly Bear: I didn't like that Crystals cover at all, sorry. But hark, what's this... "Knife"... ooh, much more like it...

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:57 (twelve years ago) link

Rook is some pretty awesome, folk-rock-ambient shit.

Okay, this is the new one, yes? It's on eMusic. I'll investigate.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:00 (twelve years ago) link

it just all sounds like one long song

Pecknold and FJM back on the same page eh

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 June 2017 19:07 (three years ago) link

=/

Austin, Friday, 16 June 2017 19:11 (three years ago) link

i agree there are more drifty / wandering / less-melodic parts to this album, but "no" melodies? to me, Third of May, Fool's Errand, Crack-Up and maybe Cassius and Keep Time are all on par with the first two albums melodically

alpine static, Friday, 16 June 2017 20:50 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

"Mearcstapa" on the new one is pretty great. I like the "How to Disappear Completely" bassline

calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:39 (three years ago) link

Little detours every now and then are nice, like the minute of piano at the end of "Fools Errand"

calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:51 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://www.stereogum.com/1954233/watch-phish-cover-fleet-foxes-at-msg/video/

How embarrassing for FF

calstars, Friday, 28 July 2017 18:25 (three years ago) link

embarrassed for everyone, really

global tetrahedron, Friday, 28 July 2017 18:29 (three years ago) link

there's a fair amount to like on the new one but pecknold needs to work with a lyricist or something.

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 28 July 2017 20:30 (three years ago) link

five months pass...

I haven't listened to anything since the debut but my word, "Third of May" is gorgeous.

Freedom, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 10:12 (three years ago) link

Sometimes I forget this band exists and then I hear them and think they’re great

calstars, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 12:09 (three years ago) link

Listened to the new one a bit more and it's grown on me. It took a really long time for the individual aspects of the songs to develop and sort out their own identities. But, after revisiting fairly regularly, I have no problem calling it a good record. Would still consider it easily the least substantial of their albums so far, though.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:52 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

guitarist and fleet foxes kitchen sink guy skyler skjelset released another solo record today called back in heaven and it's decent modern dream pop stuff. kind of early fleet foxes musical backing with mbv style vocals. nothing life changing, but pretty as heck to be certain.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 28 August 2020 15:50 (six months ago) link

Was just wondering what rock these guys were hiding under

calstars, Friday, 28 August 2020 17:07 (six months ago) link

pecknold's been working on the next fleet foxes album all year. his instagram is pretty active with updates and teases. he was actually in europe recording when quarantine first hit and was initially told he would have to stay put, but found his way back to la, and now nyc.

the pieces of the new material he's teased have been very "orchestral" and dreamy. i'm excited for it, whenever it happens.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 28 August 2020 17:29 (six months ago) link

same. Robin's gone from overhyped (in others' opinion, not mine) to underrated genius ... in part because he doesn't work quickly and disappears for long stretches.

first two albums are all-timers.

i'm probably upthread saying the same thing a few years ago.

alpine static, Friday, 28 August 2020 18:24 (six months ago) link

agreed. helplessness blues is still able to just wreck me in the right vibe. seeing that material live was unreal.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 28 August 2020 18:34 (six months ago) link

Third album is really good too, just requires some warming up.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 28 August 2020 21:10 (six months ago) link

Yeah, I'd say it's a good album after listening to it about a thousand times. I'd probably still rate it third out of their three albums so far.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 28 August 2020 23:10 (six months ago) link

agreed! (xpost)

i appreciate his efforts to try new stuff / stretch / not make the s/t over and over, etc.

not that i would reject an album full of "Third of May," of course

alpine static, Friday, 28 August 2020 23:12 (six months ago) link

lol, not only did i just post that ^ *before* scrolling up and seeing this thing i posted three years ago:

i am all for Robin exploring whatever he wants to explore, but i'd be lying if i said i wouldn't play an album full of "Third of May"s over and over again until the end of time

― alpine static, Tuesday, June 13, 2017 2:01 PM (three years ago)

i also said *this* four hours ago, about something different:

i'm probably upthread saying the same thing a few years ago.

― alpine static, Friday, August 28, 2020 11:24 AM (four hours ago)

alpine static, Friday, 28 August 2020 23:22 (six months ago) link

something to be said for consistency, man.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 28 August 2020 23:34 (six months ago) link

three weeks pass...

apparently fflp4 is titled shore and will be streamed in full tomorrow at fleetfoxes.co

ok, sure ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 21 September 2020 16:25 (five months ago) link

stooooooooked

alpine static, Monday, 21 September 2020 16:34 (five months ago) link

WAIT pic.twitter.com/JnxD8tcoB9

— Brandon (@blgtylr) September 21, 2020

just sayin, Monday, 21 September 2020 21:01 (five months ago) link

the actual cover is gorgeous. i'm too lazy to find it and post it, though.

streaming at 6:31 a.m. Pacific tomorrow, i guess to line up w/ the autumnal equinox?

i wanna get up and listen but then my wife would say "oh so you can get up early for Fleet Foxes, but not for work, to get the kids ready, to exercise, etc."

(and rightly so)

alpine static, Monday, 21 September 2020 23:48 (five months ago) link

The whole thing is on Spotify now. It's really good.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:37 (five months ago) link

Gave it a (very) distracted listen while working today and it sounded good indeed, but I'm looking forward to giving it some proper attention over the weekend (not to turn into a cliché but a long autumn walk seems like a perfect opportunity to properly enjoy it).

ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 14:49 (five months ago) link

i don't think i've seen p4k do a tweet like this before ... although maybe there is no other example? or maybe i just missed it.

Best New Music x5

Read all the reviews here: https://t.co/zTOVfU0yMa pic.twitter.com/6c5LHOJl0K

— Pitchfork (@pitchfork) September 23, 2020

alpine static, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:04 (five months ago) link

i don't disagree with the praise, but fuck narcissistic pfork assholes. yes, i'm on my high horse right now, but robin deserves a better audience than that.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 23:47 (five months ago) link

who are pfork assholes?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 23:48 (five months ago) link

I haven't heard anything of theirs since the first album mainly because the rave reviews all make their music sound incredibly unappealing

Simon H., Thursday, 24 September 2020 00:19 (five months ago) link

About a third of the new album has stood out for me so far--Crack-Up and Sun Giant are still the only two releases of theirs that I like front-to-back.

Aspects of the production and vocal performances on Crack-Up really reminded me of Phil Elverum fwiw, so it's a mildly interesting coincidence to me that Shore is out around the same time as Microphones in 2020.

call mr zbow that's my name that name again is mr zbow (Craig D.), Thursday, 24 September 2020 02:30 (five months ago) link

Something about the drumming on this new one feels really different. Can't put my finger on why just yet. Maybe it's a rhythmic rather than a sonic thing. Like a few of the songs are more propulsive than I'm used to with FF material.

I've only really started coming round to The Crack-Up recently, always felt it was almost certainly good just a bit impenetrable.

This one is a lot more fresh faced feeling.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Thursday, 24 September 2020 07:39 (five months ago) link

"I'm Not My Season" is very nice. did they always sound this much like Leonard Cohen? need to re listen to the old ones maybe.

gman59, Friday, 25 September 2020 19:49 (five months ago) link

This sounds a bit like Christian rock.

pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:04 (five months ago) link

They've always given me church vibes. Maybe it's the "choral" aspect. Idk, never really bothered me honestly.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:23 (five months ago) link

Singer’s voice is obviously really great but I also enjoy the rhythms and the band on something like “cradling mother”

calstars, Sunday, 27 September 2020 12:24 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

Devil walk by?devil wakin by

calstars, Sunday, 1 November 2020 23:10 (four months ago) link

this new one completely passed me by, don't remember a single thing about it

global tetrahedron, Monday, 2 November 2020 14:14 (four months ago) link

same...it's a lovely record, but it's like a breath of fresh air..doesn't last that long.

black dice live ft. jerry garcia (rizzx), Monday, 2 November 2020 14:20 (four months ago) link

Hmm, the opposite for me. It felt nebulous in first listen but I find myself continuing to come back to it. I find it a very comforting album.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 2 November 2020 15:10 (four months ago) link

i really liked the crack-up, had some edges that were shorn down for this new one

global tetrahedron, Monday, 2 November 2020 15:13 (four months ago) link

I’ve been feeling the itch to return to that album, which I liked but don’t really remember aside from a few tracks. It seems to have gotten a critical reassessment already.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 2 November 2020 15:16 (four months ago) link

three months pass...

Still kind of baffled by the release strategy for Shore, still not out on vinyl/CD for another full month.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 18 February 2021 18:34 (two weeks ago) link

It’s one of those that I keep saving for the right time to play it but that time never seems to come

calstars, Thursday, 18 February 2021 18:50 (two weeks ago) link

xp think it might be as simple as Robin wanted to released it on the autumn equinox (possibly in 2020, specifically / he has a thing with numbers, iirc) and vinyl is super delayed but he didn't want to push it back?

alpine static, Thursday, 18 February 2021 19:20 (two weeks ago) link

Sure, I know the equinox release strategy thing and production delays are surely a factor, but a six month lag seems to be on the extreme end.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 18 February 2021 19:21 (two weeks ago) link

yeah, i'm a little confused honestly. i got a message from the retailer telling me my pre-order (plain old black vinyl) has been delayed from mid-january to now mid-march, but i keep seeing people on instagram posting photos of their copies.

seems like it was about six months turnaround time for the latest fiona apple album from when it was on streaming to to when i could hold a copy in my hands.

it's the new model and i do not like it.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 18 February 2021 19:49 (two weeks ago) link

ha, yeah, not sure I like this much of a gap. No doubt COVID and weather issues all over the country won't be helping things out much on that front.

Looks like it came out in the EU/UK a few weeks ago, so maybe that's how you are seeing people with a copy? This is according to their official store for both CD and vinyl:

EU & UK Orders: February 5, 2021.
Everywhere Else: March 19, 2021.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 18 February 2021 20:16 (two weeks ago) link

this is nice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTwhDOha4-U

alpine static, Friday, 19 February 2021 07:47 (two weeks ago) link


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