Bill Hicks C or D

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I'm not terribly familiar with what Hicks has done, but I often get the feeling he's over-rated. People make him out to be some kind of God-like genius with a unique commentary on modern life and blahblahblah, when really he's just a competent stand-up comedian making quite obvious points. Like that one where he "observes" that a lot of rock musicians do drugs - well I'll be! Is that really the best there is? Okay, I realise that may not be the best part of his repertorie, but really, what I've heard seems all too much like regular student patter you could hear just about anywhere - not the observations of a social genius like many would say.
Feel free to gun me down on this. I could be very wrong as I don't know THAT much about the man Hicks to get where he's coming from so maybe I'm opening my mouth too soon.

dog latin, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

He's for people who've been smoking pot so long they've forgotten how to come up with their OWN mind-blowing "have you ever really looked at your hand/the government is like totally not cool maaaaan" observations.

fritz, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not sure if it is inherent in a stand up routine being on a CD but Hicks does sound a lot less dangerous than he did when I saw him in Edinburgh at the festival some time around 1990.

This wasn't even in his last and most bitter period but it was a staggeringly savage performance, it wasn't particularly funny but it was one of the most amazing things I've seen.

On CD he sounds like he is taking a few shots at some easy and well deserved targets, exposing the lies and deceit of 'THEM', but the feeling when you are in the audience was that he was including YOU in that category too, your petty hypocracies and narrowmindedness were exposed.

I'm not sure why he sounds so tame on CD now, its a shame he's dated so badly and that his followers seem to have lasted longer. I am not even sure how to defend the high praise with just the evidence of the CDs, and it seems so lame to retort that you wouldn't understand unless you saw him live. However the high praise IS deserved.

Alexander Blair, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I don't know if I'd make anyone out to be a godlike genius really, but I know personally I love Bill Hicks. It's the way he manages to turn total frustration and anger into comedy that is the attraction for me. I think it's an acquired taste as some mates love him and others really think he's terrible. I will say his goatboy thing wasn't particularly funny, nor were SOME of the drugs sketches.

I can see how he'd be made into a hero figure because anyone who the "legalise the weed man" crew can get their hands on gets this treatment. Fuck that, that's really the tip of the iceberg. Even if the actual points he's making are a little tired now, or even if they were then, it's the way he makes them, the genuine anger, concern, you can see he really is affected by alot of the issues he discusses.

Ronan, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Try his last two records. Especially his LAST. This was after he found out he was dying from Pancreatic Cancer and he had nothing left to lose. George Carlin is only NOW starting to get to Rant in E Minor's. The difference is, Carlin gave up hope. Hicks was still an optimist.
Denis Leary tole some of his best bits from the Late Great Reverend Bill Hicks. Indisputably, Abso-fucking-lutely CLASSIC. Hallelujah. Amen.

Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I've seen all the videos and heard three of the records. The man was on fire with righteous indignation. Classic.

Nick Southall, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Lord Custos is OTM. I used to think that Denis Leary's No Cure For Cancer was at least mildly amusing until I heard Bill Hicks, and then I realized where Leary got the whole thing from. Like, to the word, it seemed like. The only thing is, Hicks could be exceptionally mean-spirited but only when he thought the targets were a threat to basic human dignity (attacks on non-smokers aside).

Sean Carruthers, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

i hate denis leary more than i hate god

mark s, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I hate him more than Mark does.

RickyT, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I hate him more than Ricky does. Oh wait, no, hate is such a strong word (unless when it comes to Radiohead). Seriously, he's pretty good. But some of his sketches are a bit dud (especially the one about Catholic crosses).

nathalie, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Classic.

I've just finished reading his hagiography, sorry I mean biography, by Cynthia True and was actually in tears at the end when he died. How sad am I? Apparently he had the pain in his stomach for ages, but was just so busy that he didn't bother goinf to get it checked out.

Anyway, some of his stuff may sound a little dated, but it's only because so many people have stolen his ideas since. His delivery though is always incredible.

About the goatboy thing, not funny. But apparently he invented the character to piss off the Guardian reading audiences in the UK who he felt loved him too much!

I love Rant-In-E-Minor, apart from, maybe, the Marblehead Johnson tracks interwoven amongst the comedy (put in because no-one would sign them).

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Classic, with some exceptions. It's a rare stand-up that's consistently hilarious, and it's easy to complain that he hit some easy targets in this company - they weren't and still aren't hit often enough in many quarters.

Martin Skidmore, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I haven't heard the records, but the videos I've seen are definitely classic. I don't know if it would go over as well audio-only.

I agree about the goatboy thing, but it was kind of fascinating on the video I saw (a U.K. performance) to see him knowingly take it out for way longer than seemed necessary.

Jordan, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Lord Custos is OTM. I used to think that Denis Leary's No Cure For Cancer was at least mildly amusing until I heard Bill Hicks, and then I realized where Leary got the whole thing from. Like, to the word, it seemed like.
Yeah, one of my fave Hicks Quotes is "Suuuuure, I stole my entire routine from Leary; and then to throw everyone off the scent, I did his routines better 5 years before he even started."
The only thing is, Hicks could be exceptionally mean-spirited but only when he thought the targets were a threat to basic human dignity
Aren't those the best targets anyway?

Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I used to like Bill. Now the routines are too familiar and I'm sorry to say it, I've grown up a bit. I can't stand any preacher who dumps on something without proposing alternatives. I don't buy the "take mushrooms and you're somehow better" schtick. If I want social commentary I'll go to Chomsky. If i want to laugh i'll listen to a comedian. Basically I'm pig sick of running into dickheads smoking a Marlboro, drinking a Coke, wearing Nike trainers who think they're righteous because they listen to a bit of Bill Hicks.

Lynskey, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Classic, without a doubt. Some of his material may not age well, but listening to his take on the Gulf War now, it's eerie to think how similar the situation is today.

The first two albums are funny but seem a little unfocused. Haven't heard Arizona Bay. Rant In E-Minor is a masterpiece of bile and catharsis that manages to be uplifting at the same time.

Hicks' best moment didn't make it onto the albums (unless it's on AB) - "If anyone here is in marketing...kill yourselves."

Justyn Dillingham, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

"Oh, I know what you're thinking, he's going for the anti-marketing market, that's a good market...no, seriously, kill yourselves."

Jordan, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

absolute classic. and yeah, sure, his points were OBVIOUS (though not to everyone, OBVIOUSly). but the real secret to bill's classic-ness is the fact that he was SO GOD-DAMNED FUNNY. as a comic, his material and his delivery were blinding.

stevie, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

His drugs stuff especially the mushroom bit did get tired pretty quickly. But I can't honstly think of any other comedian who had such stage prescence and who you looked forward to hearing his take on things. I thinks on the official site there is the last ever stand up he ever did just after he had learnt that his Letterman slot had been cut and i suspect he also knew his days were numbered. He admits during the show that he is not on top form and pretty much alienates everyone there. It's still really funny.

monstatruk, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

not as good as sam kinison by a long stretch. what's that you say??? a corpulent american chap being "scatalogical", well press my trousers and call the chaplain we shan't be having that. DUH. his act was like DUH when there's nothing to DUH about in the 1st place

bob snoom, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Hicks' best moment didn't make it onto the albums (unless it's on AB) - "If anyone here is in marketing...kill yourselves."
Its the delivery. It's how he so deadpan psuedo-serious but he stretches the world kill into "keeeeeiiiiillllll yerself."

Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

His genius was to tie cruelty and vitriol to a consistent moral message. Kinison and Leary's vitriol was in service to nothing more than themselves; it doesn't make those comics less funny, it just means nobody starts threads about them.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Go ahead and feel free to open threads for Kinnison and Leary. I've used up my two threads for the day on George Carlin and Neil Hamburger

Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry. Lets try that again.
Go ahead and feel free to open threads for Kinnison and Leary. I've used up my two threads for the day on George Carlin and Neil Hamburger

Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

DON'T feel free to open threads on Kinison and Leary because you will be BANNED.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

but kinison is funny and leary nevah evah has been in the slightest evah: also every fim he is in is utterly utterly terrible (what's the one abt two rappers who become rub cops? the only good bit in that is that kriss kross are in it...)

mark s, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Any other standups that ILM readers enjoy? I must say, I'm a bigger fan of the sureal-er side of things. Reeves & Mortimer and Eddie Izzard are more my style. As long as it's absurd. Oh - and this is funny too: www.rathergood.com

dog latin, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Steven Wright rocks my socks. Leary did have some funny bits before he became such a cartoon. I used to play Hicks clips on my radio show over droning ambient tracks (i.e. I was trying to be Tool).

bnw, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

bnw is otm as usual. Steven Wright is fantastic. Absolute hilarity, the only problem is when you go to see him, he does only one liners and by the time you leave you can remember about 5 of them.

Ronan, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

He's not as funny now that he's older.

Sterling Clover, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Wright, natch. I like early Cosby, and Newhart is pretty good, too. I keep trying to find that one Emo Phillips album without much luck...Firesign Theatre's my fave ever, but they're not exactly standup.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

So is Lenny Bruce any good then?

Justyn Dillingham, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

richard pryor... that 'and its deep too' box is indispensible...

stevie, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
CLASSIC

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 06:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Surprised nobody's mentioned his Gulf War 1 stuff. In the run up to GW2 it proved depressingly relevant. But it's some of the best political stand up - Hicks at his best.
Why should social comment be left to Chomsky et al? I doubt I've had attended a Chomsky lecture (via satellite) if I hadn't heard Hicks. He's "Chomsky with dick jokes". I'm a firm believer in the ability of comedy and satire to speak profound truths. The Tempest and Don Quixote are among the greatest works of art for this reason.
Hicks introduced me to a lot of US politics. The Jesse Helms and Rush Limbaugh routines on Rant are awesome. I love the look on people's faces when I play them those ones. His attacks go way beyond the boundaries of good taste, but Helms and Limbaugh are such foul creatures (Helms fought against civil rights in the 60s, hawked tobacco etc etc, Limbaugh has played a big part in reducing US political discourse to reactionary rhetoric)they really deserve it. These vicious attacks are in the grand tradition of Jonathon Swift and Peter Cook.
Agreed, the drugs stuff is a bit naff at times, although moments like the "Let's go play mini-golf" while tripping line are priceless.
I discovered Hicks at a time when I felt pretty low and he was an inspiration. It made me realise I didn't have to put up with the bullshit and I could be myself.
So classic for sure.
Likewise Pryor. Don't have the whole box set, although I've got the "greatest hits" from it. It's incredible, especially the stuff where he jokes about setting himself on fire. I didn't get the full impact until I got the Live In Concert DVD, which is hysterical.

stew s, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 07:46 (eighteen years ago) link

The guy is just not funny at all. Dud.

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 10:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic:
1) "Man, the Beatles were so high they let Ringo sing a couple of tunes."
2) Rush Limbaugh-munches-scat.
3) "... and it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before..."
4) "You want the 32-ounce or the large?"
5) Debbie Gibson Versus Jimi Hendrix

Dud:
1) Goatboy
2) Marblehead Johnson
3) Tool fans claiming him for their own.
4) Dennis Leary gaining a shitload of fame and money for doing a diluted version of the exact same schtick.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, Dennis Leary should be shot.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

CBS is advertising that Friday night's Letterman show will have the never-seen Hicks footage that was cut. Dunno if it's all of it or what.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 30 January 2009 09:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Apparently it's the whole routine.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 30 January 2009 09:43 (thirteen years ago) link

there wasn't really that much to it- just the pro-lifers routine?

i always thought his routines were better written than delivered- his habit of talking down to an audience didn't appeal to me at all in the DVD i managed to catch.

Redknapp out (darraghmac), Friday, 30 January 2009 09:49 (thirteen years ago) link

DO YOU SEE

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 30 January 2009 10:27 (thirteen years ago) link

i always thought his routines were better written than delivered-

Yes. He was clearly a smart guy, but I have a problem with any comedian who thinks they're enlightening us with the truth. That whole "I'm going to wake you sheep up to the way things really are" attitude is not my cup of tea. I'd prefer a good fart joke any day.

kornrulez6969, Friday, 30 January 2009 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link

i miss fritz

and what, Friday, 30 January 2009 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link

I wonder if mark s would like Rescue Me

Tracer Hand, Friday, 30 January 2009 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link

I've always been fascinated by the whole "Denis Leary stole Bill Hicks' act" meme. I personally think that for someone as legendary as Hicks, he hasn't dated well at all.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 30 January 2009 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm not sure who stole from who. But I never had any use for what Hicks I've heard/seen; just seemed like dumb stoner humor to me. And Rescue Me is one of my favorite TV shows of the decade. (Liked Leary's Lock N Load album from 1997 okay, too.)

xhuxk, Friday, 30 January 2009 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link

i really wish The Job had stuck around for a few seasons, tho i hear Rescue Me is pretty similar

velko, Friday, 30 January 2009 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link

I like Bill Hicks well enough tho I wish he didn't blow into the microphone. His fawningest fans seem to be very hateful and misanthropic people. I do quote him, tho: "Whatchoo READIN for?" Which I say to my dog a lot.

Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Friday, 30 January 2009 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link

I wish I had not known so many hateful and misanthropic stoners in my life.

Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Friday, 30 January 2009 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link

I can't imagine listening to Hicks again, but there was something cathartic about hearing his old political routines in the post-9/11-Iraq invasion era.

As utterly cheesy as it is, I can't imagine Kinison/Clay or even a Burr/Stanhope doing anything remotely as humane as his "it's just a ride" bit.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 18:41 (three years ago) link

I'm amazed anyone can even attempt comedy in this clenched-butthole cultural moment

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)

"nancy" is pretty funny

the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 18:51 (three years ago) link

There's a lot of great comedy out there right now. The whole "snowflakes" argument, re: stand-up at least, is generally the domain of the Bill Maher/Adam Carolla types who are bitter that they're not what's in anymore.

Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 19:05 (three years ago) link

Keep culture wars out of comedy, say fans of bill hicks

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 19:09 (three years ago) link

read that guardian article the other day and thought the responses were predictable (not bad, just predictable). i relistened to all of hicks's stuff last year and thought the music stuff had aged badly, but i dunno, there was still a lot of funny material, and his timing was always sharp. to a certain extent you're going to run into offensive, dated material if you listen to any classic comedy -- i mean, there's sexist stuff in bob newhart's routines, or the marx brothers' movies. of course no one has to seek out any of that stuff if they don't want to, but not everyone is content to "get their funny fix from instagram." (and yes that's an actual quote from the article, lol.)

tbh, this part stuck with me more than the more obvious criticisms:

It’s not just the rock’n’roll stylings that seem quaint. It’s the things that got Hicks wound up: advertising, marketing, capitalism, and how they captured and sullied all things good. A generation later, advertising is the air we breathe, our selves are our product. It’s harder – for comedians and everyone else – to imagine how life could ever be otherwise. Bob seems to be understating things when she says: “Selling out has evolved in meaning.”

the hicks stuff that resonates with me most is probably also his most dated material: the anti-marketing/branding stuff. the amount of branding/self-promo that goes on basically everywhere now makes me queasy, and it's already hard to imagine life without it. i mean, someone who does a hicks-esque rant on a twitter thread now is probably trying to sell you their book.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 19:32 (three years ago) link

well but we all know that's why modern life is rubbish

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 19:34 (three years ago) link

That very deliberate conflation of hating capitalist reality with calling out the mentality of privilege is the total MO of shitty defensive bigotry in 2019

See me in mi heels an' tinge (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 19:41 (three years ago) link

The best bits of Hicks (anti-advertising, anti-nationist, pro-psychedelics) are out of tune with the zeitgeist of 2019, the worst bits (reactionary prejudice, violence, contempt, conspiracy theories) sound like standard kit for the iconoclastic libertarian assholes who seem to be all over the internet. Conclusion: 2019 not that great after all.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 20:14 (three years ago) link

Solid material but his delivery was not as strong as it could have been. It is my firm opinion that this is why Denis Leary took his shtick (quite literally in a few cases) and parlayed it into much more success than Hicks ever had. It pains me to admit this because Leary is a Masshole tool, but there it is.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 20:22 (three years ago) link

D Leary's most trenchant observation was that peak-beauty DiCaprio looked like a hot 14-yo girl

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 20:39 (three years ago) link

anyway, i was barely aware of Hicks while he was alive, and most of what i know of him came from when i reviewed the documentary 8 years ago:

https://www.slantmagazine.com/film/american-the-bill-hicks-story-2/

(ie don't ask me to defend my opinions, bcz i'd forgotten them)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 20:46 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuQC6gvWEf8

☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 21:12 (three years ago) link

That's the only Bill Hicks thing I know other than Chicks Dig Jerks and no one has been talking about it on this thread, so.

☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 21:15 (three years ago) link

I had never heard of him but he had an appearance on a local cable show broadcast in New Jersey called Live From Rascals, which was a nearby comedy club. It was absolutely hysterical in 1988, but he sort of believed his own hype and became a dress in leather truth teller, which is never funny.

Anyway here is the clip from the Rascals show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGl88pvfX9c

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 22:35 (three years ago) link

why are the "feminine" Debbie Gibson and George Michael bad and "real men" like Jimi Hendrix and the Rolling Stones good?

a routine i hated even when i loooooved hicks

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 22:43 (three years ago) link

Sorry, I guess I was a 16 year old rockist

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 22:48 (three years ago) link

i was too! but iirc the "joke" is that jimi hendrix is raping debbie gibson with his guitar dick, it's a bad joke

i mean i know it has been established that hicks did not trade in jokes but he was capable of being funny

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 23:34 (three years ago) link

i should prob revisit him before really assessing the quality of his jokes. i'm guessing i would prob still enjoy the incredibly vivid jay leno suicide by uzi bit

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 23:42 (three years ago) link

I have a low threshold for the tellin'-it-like-it-is comics of the 80s/90s. Except for Carlin, of course, but that's not really fair because he was the best stand-up ever and could do about 10 other things (other than the truth-teller guise) better than anyone else. And his "Americans suck" bits at least had a bit of charm about them.

Sam Weller, Thursday, 28 February 2019 14:05 (three years ago) link

I recall that Lenny Bruce's stuff when i was a kid was considered dated as all hell and in the UK at least he was rarely if ever referenced by the new comedians, you really could not get hold of his stuff anywhere either, it just seemed to have vanished. This is just 'a thing' that happens to comedy? It's interesting how Louie is being called out for his 'jokes' about school shootings which were obviously not funny at all but old fans have said it's no different to his early stuff, yet there's a million things in say Eminem lyrics that could be similarly criticised which.. aren't being. Yet. Or not in Guardian articles or whatever.

piscesx, Thursday, 28 February 2019 14:40 (three years ago) link

Tbf nobody gives a shit about Eminem in 2019

See me in mi heels an' tinge (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 28 February 2019 14:44 (three years ago) link

Tbf nobody gives a shit about Eminem in 2019

There are certain ILXors who care very, very deeply about Eminem and have in fact gone so far as to write up detailed rankings of his entire catalog in the past week.

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 28 February 2019 14:47 (three years ago) link

Whiney cares about Eminem in 2019 iirc

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 28 February 2019 14:53 (three years ago) link

Chart stats for Eminem's last album from 2018 FYI:

Australian Albums 1
Austrian Albums 1
Belgian Albums 1
Canadian Albums 1
Czech Albums 1
Danish Albums 1
Dutch Albums 1
Finnish Albums 1
French Albums 3
German Albums 2
Greek Albums 3
Irish Albums 1
Italian Albums 1
New Zealand Albums 1
Norwegian Albums 1
Scottish Albums 1
Swedish Albums 1
Swiss Albums 1
UK Albums 1
US Billboard 200 1
US Top R&B/Hip-Hop 1

piscesx, Thursday, 28 February 2019 15:03 (three years ago) link

May god go with him and his loyal fans

See me in mi heels an' tinge (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 28 February 2019 15:28 (three years ago) link

99% of occasions where "dated" is used require the hard application of a sock o' manure to the offender

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 February 2019 15:36 (three years ago) link

I recall that Lenny Bruce's stuff when i was a kid was considered dated as all hell and in the UK at least he was rarely if ever referenced by the new comedians, you really could not get hold of his stuff anywhere either, it just seemed to have vanished. This is just 'a thing' that happens to comedy? It's interesting how Louie is being called out for his 'jokes' about school shootings which were obviously not funny at all but old fans have said it's no different to his early stuff, yet there's a million things in say Eminem lyrics that could be similarly criticised which.. aren't being. Yet. Or not in Guardian articles or whatever.

― piscesx, Thursday, February 28, 2019 6:40 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

louis' material is attracting greater scrutiny because he's now an outed sex criminal. he used to be able to get away with edge-lord comedy because people's idea of him was that he was a nice, liberal (plenty of material paying lip-service to the existence of misogyny, inequality in his oeuvre) guy, most no longer think that, so the, very similar, material he now comes out with is demonized.

when eminem did that terrible trump rap there were articles online about how problematic eminem is and how that doesn't sit well with a makeover as a "resistance" guy

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 28 February 2019 17:20 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

been thinking a lot about this guy lately. what was his fucking problem

frogbs, Wednesday, 14 September 2022 02:25 (three weeks ago) link

pancreas problems iirc

ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 02:42 (three weeks ago) link

dry squeegeed his third eye too hard

look like Farley smoke like Marley (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 17:35 (three weeks ago) link

This is completely a recycled Bill Hicks bit.

World is 4000 years old. Dinosaurs were planted by god to confuse us

— 𝔊𝔯𝔦𝔪𝔢𝔰 (@Grimezsz) September 13, 2022

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 17:38 (three weeks ago) link

Except for Carlin, of course, but that's not really fair because he was the best stand-up ever and could do about 10 other things (other than the truth-teller guise) better than anyone else.

Hicks >>> Carlin

Hicks never made “jokes” justifying wiping out endangered species.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 17:39 (three weeks ago) link

I will poll my list of 50 worst Bill Hicks bits one day, don't think he made a joke about wiping out an endangered species but pretty sure most of them are worse than that.

link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 17:45 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah but he was brave enough to speak up about how contemptible a woman is for working in a restaurant

Wiggum Dorma (wins), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 17:49 (three weeks ago) link

Hicks never made “jokes” justifying wiping out endangered species. dude just whined a lot

brimstead, Wednesday, 14 September 2022 17:51 (three weeks ago) link

Carlin asked where the blue food was while coked up and it's on tape

look like Farley smoke like Marley (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 17:51 (three weeks ago) link

?

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 17:53 (three weeks ago) link

Admittedly Hicks deliver was usually strident but what I’ve seen of Carlin is even more overbearing.

I don’t remember the “reader” bit being misogynist, it was mostly just pointing out the anti-intellectual strain of the American heartland, especially the South, and the butt of the joke happened to be female.

I’m sure he did have some truly awful bits but again nothing I recall equivalent to “extinction lol”. Carlin is also the leading proponent of “rape is funny” iirc.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 17:56 (three weeks ago) link

His funniest bits are trying to channel Richard Pryor. I know I know, Kinnison > Hicks too, given.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 17:59 (three weeks ago) link

Kinnison is the least funny human to ever live

look like Farley smoke like Marley (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 18:01 (three weeks ago) link

he’s definitely funnier than me

brimstead, Wednesday, 14 September 2022 18:02 (three weeks ago) link

ymmv wrt misogyny (helps if you ignore a shitload of evidence from his other routines) but the classism of “lol imagine working as a waitress what scum” is I think p indisputable

Wiggum Dorma (wins), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 18:06 (three weeks ago) link

I was just parroting the lore on that one tbh. I usually get Kinnison and the Screaming Bob guy mixed up.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 18:06 (three weeks ago) link

(Xpost sorry)

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 18:07 (three weeks ago) link

also I cannot forgive the kind of prick who would describe Thatcher's Britain or even post-Thatcher Britain as a "socialist nightmare".

calzino, Wednesday, 14 September 2022 18:11 (three weeks ago) link

ILX folks really take incidental asides from an extended riff personally. That was somewhere near this rant wasn’t it?

I was in Australia, and the Australians had a big contingency at the Branch Davidian compound, and I’m from Texas so they were very curious. They were asking me all about it, you know. ‘Oh, this guy’s so weird, in’t he? This guy Koresh is so weird.’ And I was thinking, well, wait a minute. Frustrated rock musician with a messianic complex, armed to the teeth, and trying to fuck everything that moves. I don’t know how to tell you this: sounds like every one of my friends in Austin. I don’t know if this is gonna be an isolated incident.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 15 September 2022 17:23 (two weeks ago) link

(I just read the script, didn’t listen, but I’m guessing his take on an Aussie accent is atrocious. Y’all can go ahead and chalk another demerit on the list for that one too.)

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 15 September 2022 17:25 (two weeks ago) link

Ok I guess “demerit” is specifically American lingo too. Fuck me.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 15 September 2022 17:26 (two weeks ago) link

been thinking a lot about this guy lately. what was his fucking problem

― frogbs

i don't know but whatever it is a lot of cis white dudes seem to have similar problems

carlin holds up surprisingly well imo, one of these days i might do a proper rewatch of "you are all diseased". he's doing a bit... this is something released in 2000 where he's complaining about airport security. and i'm thinking, "oh no...", but he turns it into, hey, you know what the real shitty thing about airport security is? it's systemically racist. (except he's funny when he says it because he's a comedian.) he starts out saying some kind of cringey white guy edgelord shit but he keeps twisting it _against_ white guy edgelords.

even when he says stupid shit, like complaining about vaccines (which is also something he does in that special), you're never quite _sure_ if he means it because it's like... wait, he's not _actually_ suggesting that kids should swim in raw sewage because it will "toughen them up", is he? if hicks did that routine i wouldn't question for a second that he genuinely meant it.

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 15 September 2022 23:53 (two weeks ago) link


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