Songs where the songwriter confuses A with B

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In "Being Boiled" by Human League Phil Oakey confuses Buddhism with Hinduism.

In "Pulling Mussels from the Shell" by Squeeze Glenn Tilbrook confuses William Tell with Robin Hood.

other e.g.s pls.

Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:28 (twelve years ago) link

in 'one in a million', axl rose confuses "small town white boy" with "insecure homophobic racist bigot"

Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

In 'The Falling', Roots Manuva confuses Dunblane with Lockerbie.

chap, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 16:26 (twelve years ago) link

In "Addicted to Love", Robert Palmer confuses love with sex.

ledge, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 17:30 (twelve years ago) link

I'm too dumb to play this but I'll give it a shot.
In 'Promiscuous Girl" Nelly Furtado confuses prostitution with flirting.
Eh?

VeronaInTheClub, Thursday, 5 June 2008 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

In "Nashville Cats" by Lovin' Spoonful, John Sebastian confuses Nashville with Memphis:

"...every one is a yellow Sun Record from Nashville"

Tom D., Friday, 6 June 2008 09:20 (twelve years ago) link

VeronaIn just confused promiscuity with prostitution.

Mark G, Friday, 6 June 2008 09:31 (twelve years ago) link

"Flowin' like an adverb/ Action word"

The Reverend, Friday, 6 June 2008 09:35 (twelve years ago) link

In "Ooh Wee", Ghostface confuses the producer Mark Ronson with Mark Bronson, the production assistant on the movie "Pirates of Silicon Valley": http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0111526/

Dom Passantino, Friday, 6 June 2008 10:07 (twelve years ago) link

In "You're Beautiful" singer/songwriter James Blunt confuses baring your soul with being a bit rapey.

Noodle Vague, Friday, 6 June 2008 10:08 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

The Doors, "Five To One": Five to one, baby/One in five. ("One in five" actually implies FOUR to one.)

Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 07:04 (twelve years ago) link

In "Punk Rock Girl" by the Dead Milkmen, I was always confused by the fact that he says "someone played a Beach Boys song on the jukebox / It was California Dreamin' / So we started screamin' / On such a winter's day."

California Dreamin' is by the Mamas and the Papas, of course-- but I found out much later that the Beach Boys also did it. But who the hell has ever heard that version?

res, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 14:13 (twelve years ago) link

Oh yeah, there's this one Tool song on "Opiate" where he says that his drugged-out friend thought he was a "fire drill." I'm almost positive he meant "fire hydrant."

res, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 14:13 (twelve years ago) link

In "Bald Headed Hoes," Willie D says "There should be a crime against bald headed hoes," when he means to say "there should be a LAW against bald headed hoes."

Then again, later in the song, he advocates violence against the titular figures, so perhaps he did mean what he said after all. It's hard to say.

Savannah Smiles, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 14:32 (twelve years ago) link

In "You're Beautiful" singer/songwriter James Blunt confuses baring your soul with being a bit rapey
Good stuff

VeronaInTheClub, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 14:45 (twelve years ago) link

(x-post) >> California Dreamin' is by the Mamas and the Papas, of course-- but I found out much later that the Beach Boys also did it. But who the hell has ever heard that version?

Never knew this! Wiki sez BBoys did two cover versions. One was released on a Radio Shack sampler cassette Rock 'N' Roll City in 1983, and a re-recorded version appeared on the CD Made in The USA (1986.) I kinda doubt the Milkmen were aware of this, and always assumed they made the transposition just cuz it seems funny (or natural) that the narrator wouldn't know (or care about) the difference.

Dan Peterson, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 14:57 (twelve years ago) link

I kinda doubt the Milkmen were aware of this, and always assumed they made the transposition just cuz it seems funny (or natural) that the narrator wouldn't know (or care about) the difference.

The latter might be true, but I'm pretty sure that they had a sort of encyclopedic knowledge of music trivia, as evidenced by many somewhat obscure musical references in their back catalog.

res, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 15:19 (twelve years ago) link

The Supremes' "Back in My Arms Again" confuses Romeo with the Casanova promiscuous type: "And Flo, she don't know / Cause the boy she loves is a Romeo."

Joseph McCombs, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 16:45 (twelve years ago) link

D&D Allstars: 1-2 Pass It -- KRS One says "Your lyrics are stiff like David Koppel" -- I assume he meant news anchor Ted and not an obscure reference to a British photographer

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 16:50 (twelve years ago) link

haha Myonga, I never thought about that!

Sundar, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

foxy's verse on affirmative action ftw:

[Foxy Brown]
In the black Camaro
Firm deep all my niggaz hail the blackest sparrow
Wallabee's be the apparel
Through the darkest tunnel, I got visions of multimillions
in the biggest bundle, in the Lex pushed by my nigga Jungle
He money bags got Moet, Sean Don
Bundle of sixty-two, they ain't got a clue what we about to do
My whole team we shittin hard like Czar
Sosa, Foxy Brown, Cormega, and Escobar
I keep a fat marquis piece, laced in all the illest snake skin
Armani sweaters Carolina Hebrera
Be The Firm baby, from BK to the 'Bridge
My nigga Wiz, operation Firm Biz, so what the deal is
I keep a phat jew-el, sippin Crist-ies
Sittin on top of fifty grand in the Nautica Van, uhh!
We stay incogni' like all them thug niggaz in Marcy
The Gods, they praise Allah with visions of Gandhi
Bet it on, my whole crew is Don Juan
On Cayman Island with a case of Cristal and Papa Chula spoke
Nigga with them Cubans that snort coke
Raw though, an ounce mixed wit leak that's pure though
Flippin the bigger picture, the bigger nigga with the cheddar
Was mad dripper, he had a fuckin villa in Manilla
We got to flee to Panama, but wait it's half and half
Keys is one and two-fifth, so how we flip
Thirty-two grams raw, chop it in half, get sixteen, double it times three
We got forty-eight, which mean a whole lot of cream
Divide the profit by four, subtract it by eight
We back to sixteen, now add the other two that 'Mega bringin through
So let's see, if we flip this other key
Then that's more for me, mad coke and mad leak
Plus a five hundred, cut in half is two-fifty
Now triple that times three, we got three quarters of another key
The Firm baby, volume one uhh..

and what, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 17:22 (twelve years ago) link

(Chamillionaire)
Ay big time
I'm tryna see the president dead (presidents dead?), that's what I said
But not the one in the white house man, the one with the green presidents head
Blue or red I'm still ridin', ladies be tellin' me that I'm sexcist
And I guess it's, 'cause I always love the money over dresses
Always been about them horizontal lines through them S's
That's a dollar sign, Impala flyin' watch how she undresses

and what, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

(Jay-Z)
Thirty-eight revolve like the sun round the earth
Try to play hard get you found round the dirt
Six shell casings found round your shirt

and what, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 17:27 (twelve years ago) link

Elliott Smith saying "Duracell Bunny" in Rose Parade.

bear, bear, bear, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 17:31 (twelve years ago) link

no bullshit it originally was the duracell bunny, energizer ripped it off

and what, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

The Duracell Bunny predates the Energizer Bunny, which actually began as a parody of the Duracell Bunny commercials and toys that became a collectible item. There are differences in appearance — the Energizer Bunny wears sunglasses, has larger ears, is a different shade of pink and has a different body shape. Also, while the Energizer Bunny is a single rabbit, the Duracell Bunnies are a species. The Energizer Bunny is always depicted with a drum, as the Duracell Bunny toys of which it is a parody had drums. The actual Duracell Bunny advertising campaign has moved beyond this, and Duracell Bunnies are usually depicted as doing something other than beating a drum.

and what, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

Oh word. I just remember reading some interview with him where he copped to having the other bunny in mind when he wrote it.

bear, bear, bear, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 17:34 (twelve years ago) link

In "King of Rock," Run-DMC confuse the Beatles with the Police.

Douglas, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 17:44 (twelve years ago) link

Also, in "Bled White," Elliott Smith confuses the F train with the N or R. Perhaps he was at 34th St., where they intersect.

Douglas, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

dunno if anyone's noticed this, but in the song 'ironic', alanis morrisette confuses things which are annoying (e.g. 'rain on your wedding day') with things which are ironic.

banriquit, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 17:51 (twelve years ago) link

In "King of Rock," Run-DMC confuse the Beatles with the Police.

-- Douglas, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 18:44 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

At time of recording, there were three members of The Beatles.

The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 17:52 (twelve years ago) link

^^^ good find! maybe she did it on purpose to be "ironic" lol

and what, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 17:53 (twelve years ago) link

X-Clan

My style is deep, deeper than atlantis, deeper than the sea floor travelled by the mantis.

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 18:21 (twelve years ago) link

Jay-Z has always been an adamant opponent of the Copernican model.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 18:26 (twelve years ago) link

in the song 'gold digger' kanye west confuses 'ska punk' with 'hen fap'.

banriquit, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 19:56 (twelve years ago) link

^^

the post that had to be made

dell, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 20:03 (twelve years ago) link

Far out, I never heard of no "Duracell Bunny" till now! I missed that ad campaign entirely.

Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 21:02 (twelve years ago) link

That Foxy Brown verse is kind of o_O

mh, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

Isn't the Alanis Morrisette thing common knowledge?

Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 01:56 (twelve years ago) link

At time of recording, there were three members of The Beatles.

This is another one where they copped to being straight-up wrong, guys genuinely thought there were always three Beatles (unlike the 417 that quantum mathematics have established as co-existing within the Schrodingerian fifth position).

energy flash gordon, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 02:38 (twelve years ago) link

How can I go on / When every alpha particle hides a neon nucleus

In the song "Richard", Billy Bragg confuses the noble gases neon and helium.

anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 08:26 (twelve years ago) link

what a loser

s1ocki, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 16:36 (twelve years ago) link

this thread is really primo material btw... good work all around

s1ocki, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 16:36 (twelve years ago) link

(Lil Wayne)
Young moolah baby
I got money on money on money on money
on top of more money on top of my shit like flies
open that ferrari f 5 like eyes up and down ocean drive
jumpin up out that maybach with a bitch way back to tease them thighs
she got a tattoo on her booty and it say 305
DJ Khaled say it's a movie now don't forget your lines,
Cause you dont want me to edit before we roll the credits
bitch give me my credit
i'm so energetic
i'm f**kin like a rabbit smokin on lettuce
whatever i want i get it
i meant it if i said it
and i say i keep it pumpin i aint talkin unletted
if you want it come get it
cause boy i'm ready
i get that fast fetty they should call me Tom Petty
got two bitches one peanut butter one jelly
i'm a American gangster already

richard petty is the NASCAR driver, tom petty is a singer/songwriter

and what, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 16:49 (twelve years ago) link

A) Halloween
B) Not Halloween

Bushwick Bill (My MInd is Playin' Tricks on Me)

Bobbi Peru, Friday, 27 June 2008 05:52 (twelve years ago) link

early morning april 4th a shot rings out in the memphis sky

balls, Friday, 27 June 2008 07:03 (twelve years ago) link

that beach boys 'california dreaming' got what felt like alot of airplay on mtv at the time, here's the horror - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAQ-AeUlijU. big al jardine showcase. lotta sax. i think it was the followup to the slightly bigger hit 'getcha back' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Pk9kwcGKk - really really shoddy production on these things, the vocals on 'getcha back' are just stunningly schlocky. really w/ these, roth's 'california girls', 'wipeout' (the best of this bunch by many miles), and then of course 'kokomo' the beach boys were hustling pretty hard for a hit then.

balls, Friday, 27 June 2008 07:12 (twelve years ago) link

Y'all niggaz is scared, I'm your worst nightmare squared
That's double for niggaz who ain't mathematically aware

The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Friday, 27 June 2008 08:12 (twelve years ago) link

Nice, or possibly Smooth

"Like Dizzy Gillespie played the sax"

Oilyrags, Friday, 27 June 2008 12:06 (twelve years ago) link

In The Crazy Word of Arthur Brown's rendition of "Fire", Arthur Brown confuses being the god of hellfire with being Arthur Brown.

Neil S, Friday, 27 June 2008 12:13 (twelve years ago) link

i don't know how you'd parse that other than 'these are things that could hypothetically happen, they have yet to happen'

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:09 (eight years ago) link

holography. time travel. alternate dimensions. cryogenic preservation.

how's life, Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:18 (eight years ago) link

two years pass...

in the 2nd verse of "Dollar", Scarface raps:

I takes her home
You sweat the shit
She rolls her eyes
Like the exorcist

presumably thinking of
http://i51.tinypic.com/2hqwfsz.jpg

Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 01:35 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

In "Highlands", Bob Dylan confuses Aberdeen with somewhere that's actually in the Highlands. Maybe Aberfeldy, I don't know.

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 January 2018 20:45 (three years ago) link

“Backstab the bitch/like I’m Myer Michaels” (Young Thug, No Cap)

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Sunday, 28 January 2018 21:19 (three years ago) link

In "Open House", Lou Reed confuses Czechoslovakian with Rusyn (or Ruthenian) when he sings(?) of the 'Czechoslovakian customs' of Andy Warhol's mother, Julia. As any fool knows, Czechoslovakia didn't exist till 1918 and Julia emigrated to the USA in 1921, aged 29, and, in any case, Rusyns are neither Czech nor Slovakian.

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 January 2018 21:37 (three years ago) link

Not quite the same thing Danish hip-hop group Nik & Jay made several songs about going to the famous Danish beach Bellevue and watching the sunset. Bellevue faces east. Second time they made sure to say 'sun set over the ocean' to underline they'd never done it.

Frederik B, Sunday, 28 January 2018 22:01 (three years ago) link

Ha, I was just about to bring up the similar geographic confusion in "The Night Chicago Died," but then decided it wasn't really an A-with-B situation.

Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 28 January 2018 22:06 (three years ago) link

Re Sarah Bernhardt's hand

There is a book I own that has various famous peoples hands as made via moulds. I suspected that was what Wire was singing about, and in the latest biog book they confirmed it.

Funnily enough, it does not include SB's hand.

Mark G, Sunday, 28 January 2018 22:45 (three years ago) link

Andy Partridge is fairly good at doing this, though fair play to him for owning up about it so cheerfully:

Todd Bernhardt: Okay, let's talk about "(Living through another) Cuba".

Andy Partridge: Well, first off I must apologize for my historical crapness here, because the Cuban Missile Crisis was not 1961, as I say in the lyric. It's one of at least three factual blunders I've made in my song lyrics over the years.

TB: What are the other two?

AP: Well, for this one, I should have said, "It's 1962 again and we are piggy in the middle." You know, Britain's little place between Great Big Russia and Great Big America.

TB: Right...

AP: And in the song, "This Is the End," I say, "They might drop Fat Boy on your town," but of course the atom bomb was not "Fat Boy" -- it was "Little Boy" and "Fat Man." So, I weirdly combined the two of them to make a non-existent atom bomb -- "Fat Boy".

TB: The new atom bomb! The Third Wave.

AP: Yeah. The one they're going to drop on Swindon, I'm sure, just to tidy the place up a bit! (laughs) To correct all the problems we have with our architecture. And also, in the song "Rip Van Reuben," the man who wrote the Wizard of Oz was L. Frank Baum, not L. Frank Richards. Frank Richards wrote the Billy Bunter school books. So, I should check my facts before I do my lyrics!

TB: You and I had also talked about another one when we discussed "I'd Like That." In those lyrics, you have all these historical couples, and you put together Helen and Hector, who were not really a couple.

AP: No. Dammit. (pauses) That one's poetic license!

From the Chalkhills website.

Portsmouth Bubblejet, Sunday, 28 January 2018 23:18 (three years ago) link

in 'Joy Without Pleasure', Daniel Johnston confuses joy with pleasure and pleasure with joy

how to diss a peer completely (unregistered), Monday, 29 January 2018 23:09 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

In the intro to "The Tackro", Lee Perry poses the question, "Have you ever met anyone uglier than you, Van Cleef?", apparently under the impression that Lee Van Cleef's character in "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly" is The Ugly when, of course, he's The Bad and Eli Wallach is The Ugly. I don't think it's the only reggae song where this mistake is made either.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Saturday, 15 February 2020 13:57 (one year ago) link

Pavement's "Give It A Day":
"Increase Mather told her Dad, 'I roundly disagree with you'"

Increase Mather was a man
.

Another one — “Box Elder, MO” (he meant “MT”).

You have seen the heavy groups (morrisp), Saturday, 15 February 2020 15:05 (one year ago) link

In the theatrical trailer, Angel Eyes is referred to as The Ugly and Tuco, The Bad.[17] This is due to a translation error; the original Italian title translates to "The Good [one], the Ugly [one], the Bad [one]".

visiting, Saturday, 15 February 2020 15:50 (one year ago) link

Maybe they only showed the theatrical trailer in Jamaica!

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Saturday, 15 February 2020 15:58 (one year ago) link

K-Fed famously confused paparazzi for Pavarotti

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 February 2020 16:24 (one year ago) link

In "Livin' In The Future", Bruce Springsteen confuses the future with the past.

also confuses himself with John Prine.

Taylor Swift's latest album has a lot of confusion about common phrases. "Paint me out to be bad," in The Man, confuses "paint me as" with "make me out to be." In London Boy, she's very confused about what "home is where the heart is" means. "They say home is where the heart is / but that's not where mine lives." She's agreeing with the platitude that she thinks she's questioning.

Lily Dale, Saturday, 15 February 2020 23:57 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

My my, on board the HMS Bellerophon, lying off Rochefort, a coastal town in western France, Napoleon did surrender.

OK, scansion needs some work.

anatol_merklich, Thursday, 8 April 2021 00:17 (one week ago) link

confusing "military surrender" with "falling in love"

new display name (Left), Thursday, 8 April 2021 00:24 (one week ago) link

"Uma Thurman" by Fall Out Boy, where I'm pretty sure they confused Dick Dale's Miserlou with the theme for the Munsters.

MarkoP, Thursday, 8 April 2021 03:59 (one week ago) link

In London Boy, she's very confused about what "home is where the heart is" means. "They say home is where the heart is / but that's not where mine lives." She's agreeing with the platitude that she thinks she's questioning.

I think she's tweaking the platitude – she doesn't consider London to be her home, even though her heart (a dude) lives there. Admittedly, it's not the greatest line.

come along you starbucks lovers (taylor’s version) (morrisp), Thursday, 8 April 2021 04:20 (one week ago) link

In the New Order song, Crystal. Bernard Sumner confuses honey with something that cannot be bought for money.

Whereas Honey is easily bought within many food and heath stores.

my opinionation (Hamildan), Thursday, 8 April 2021 15:24 (one week ago) link

To be fair, he could be listing these as distinct features of love. (1) It's like honey. (2) Additionally, you can't buy, it with money.

sgt. pepper's one-and-only bobo honkin' band (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 8 April 2021 15:27 (one week ago) link

Not a song per se BUT William Carlos Williams once wrote, "Your thighs are appletrees whose blossoms touch the sky. Which sky? The sky where Watteau hung a lady's slipper."

He appears to have been thinking of "The Swing," by Fragonard.

In the Muppet Movie song "I Hope that Something Better Comes Along," Rowlf sings about "the little feet of tadpoles," but tadpoles don't have feet, as Kermit points out.

Condé Nasty (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 8 April 2021 15:53 (one week ago) link

"She made a monkey out of ol' King Kong" -- such a good lyric since King Kong was a gorilla.

pplains, Thursday, 8 April 2021 15:59 (one week ago) link

I think she's tweaking the platitude – she doesn't consider London to be her home, even though her heart (a dude) lives there. Admittedly, it's not the greatest line.

What does the original proverb mean? If it is "no matter where I roam, my heart will always be at home", then this tweaking makes sense. If it is "no matter where I'm from, wherever my heart is atm - that's my home", this seems like a pointless thing for her to say; if anything, it undercuts the romantic message.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 8 April 2021 15:59 (one week ago) link

I believe it's the latter - and it may be pointless, but I think that's what she means. Whether she's visiting London or is at home, London isn't her home; but her "heart" lives there.

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 8 April 2021 16:03 (one week ago) link

It would almost be better if she were misreading!

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 8 April 2021 16:13 (one week ago) link

In Madison Avenue's "Don't Call Me Baby", the singer says, "You're sure misunderstood" in reference to a particular man's eligibility to refer to her as 'baby'.

What she means is that he's 'misinformed' about his position. It would also work to say, "You've surely misunderstood". This has bugged me since 1999.

Uncle Boomer Who Can Recall His Past Wives (Adept), Thursday, 8 April 2021 16:15 (one week ago) link

In 'It's Alright' Sterling Void confuses "dictation" and "dictatorship". This has bugged me since 1989.

Piedie Gimbel, Thursday, 8 April 2021 16:21 (one week ago) link

It's surprising is that Neil Tennant just rolled with it in the PSB cover version. I'd have thought it'd be the sort of English up with which he would not put.

I Advance Masked (Vast Halo), Thursday, 8 April 2021 16:50 (one week ago) link

I think "Tom Sawyer" by Rush is more about Huckleberry Finn, but I'm more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

"What they say about his company..." Who? Becky Thatcher? The daughter of the county judge? What are they saying about her? Tell me.

pplains, Thursday, 8 April 2021 17:01 (one week ago) link

Acc to this, it was based both on Tom Sawyer (as an individualist) and Pye Dubois's "Louie the Warrior": https://www.loudersound.com/features/the-story-behind-the-song-tom-sawyer-by-rush

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 8 April 2021 17:19 (one week ago) link

Lil Yachty re: his like "My new bitch yellow / she blow that dick like a cello": "I fucked up. I thought Squidward played the cello. He don't. That's a flute. I fucked up."

justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:00 (one week ago) link

(also, he actually plays the clarinet)

justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:00 (one week ago) link

"What you say about his company is what you say about society" - my guess is this more about respecting individuals' non-conformity and freedom of association (e.g. Tom skipping school and hanging out with whoever he wanted); I don't think Peart was racist at all but I'm not sure this was really meant to be a statement about racism, except in the sense that everyone should have the same individual freedoms.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:04 (one week ago) link

"Dictation" can mean "the act of commanding arbitrarily" so it is correctly uses in "It's Alright".

everything, Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:19 (one week ago) link

Perhaps, but the phrase is not idiomatic and sounds a little strange. Anglophones do not describe North Korea as a place where "dictation is being forced". We call it a dictatorship.

I Advance Masked (Vast Halo), Thursday, 8 April 2021 20:08 (one week ago) link

"What you say about his company is what you say about society" -- My interpretation was more like, whatever horrible things they would say about Jim, well, you could say the same damn things about society as a whole.

pplains, Thursday, 8 April 2021 20:18 (one week ago) link

That would probably be a more meaningful statement. I'm just not sure it's what Peart intended.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 8 April 2021 20:24 (one week ago) link

He was obsessed with themes of solitude, individualism, non-conformity, and liberty at that time, including on much of the rest of the album, and it's what comes across in his quotes about this song as well.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 8 April 2021 20:30 (one week ago) link

Darren Hanlon's "Cheat the Future": "Over three hundred thousand stars make up the solar system"
I saw him perform this live, and beforehand, he explained that he realized too late that the solar system has just one star (and was mixing up "galaxy" and "solar system").

ernestp, Friday, 9 April 2021 01:57 (one week ago) link

I think a lot of "Tom Sawyer" can be explained by the fact that it was slapped together rather quickly. It doesn't make tons of sense, just sounds sorta cool.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 9 April 2021 02:00 (one week ago) link

Usually Peart's lyrics are quite transparent, but "Tom Sawyer" makes no sense to me. Unlike the New World Man or the Digital Man, I don't even know what we're supposed to think about this character.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 02:04 (one week ago) link

Back to the main topic, I think Kanye does this a lot in a kind of troll-y way. The one that comes to mind is "I keep it 300, like the Romans."

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 9 April 2021 02:06 (one week ago) link

Lyrically, "Tom Sawyer" is credited to Pye Dubois and Peart, and was apparently adapted from Dubois's poem, which I can't find rn, so that's probably why it's different from Peart's usual style and may not all fully cohere. I don't think it's incomprehensible that the character is a tough-minded free thinker whom we are not supposed to put down as arrogant, though.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Friday, 9 April 2021 14:57 (one week ago) link

but did he con his pals into painting that damn fence?

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 9 April 2021 15:17 (one week ago) link

Ha, I think that might be what "he gets high on you/And the space he invades, he gets by on you" is getting at - he looks out for himself, even at your expense sometimes. It's about today's Tom Sawyer, so a modern-day warrior who is like Twain's hero.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Friday, 9 April 2021 15:26 (one week ago) link

The space he invades is clearly a reference to the popular arcade video game "Space Invaders."

However I suspect Peart was actually thinking of Frogger.

Condé Nasty (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 9 April 2021 15:36 (one week ago) link

It doesn't make tons of sense, just sounds sorta cool.

Very willing to let this be the final word on this subject!

pplains, Friday, 9 April 2021 19:36 (one week ago) link


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