Ride 'Nowhere' Poll

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One of those albums where practically each song has been my favorite at one point or another

Poll Results

OptionVotes
"Vapour Trail" 17
"Dreams Burn Down" 13
"Taste" 6
"Polar Bear" 6
"Seagull" 5
"Decay" 3
"Nowhere"3
"Paralysed" 2
"In a Different Place" 2
"Kaleidoscope" 2
"Here and Now" 2


baaderonixx, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:01 (twelve years ago) link

"Vapour Trail" always and forever

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:21 (twelve years ago) link

Right now I'm debating btw "In a Different Place" and "Dreams Burn Down"

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:22 (twelve years ago) link

Ah, very tough one. "Vapour Trail" probably snags it, but I love the title track and "Decay" as well.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:23 (twelve years ago) link

I've never been keen on the central trio of Dreams Burn Down, Decay, and Paralysed. Too turgid. Any of the first four, or Vapour Trail or Taste could be my choice. Last two I always quite liked, but they never quite did it for me like they did for some others.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:36 (twelve years ago) link

taste, but i feel like it doesn't really belong on the album. otherwise seagull. even at the time i didn't think vapour trail was all that

electricsound, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:52 (twelve years ago) link

With my purist hat on, I should really say that it's only really tracks 1 to 8 that constitute the album "Nowhere", which is why I'm not voting for "Here and now". Instead my vote goes to "Dreams burn down" for just being so very immense.

Rob M v2, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:56 (twelve years ago) link

dreams burn down. today

Alan, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:07 (twelve years ago) link

GBA poll would be harder tho.

Alan, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:12 (twelve years ago) link

Nah, that would be quite easy...

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:17 (twelve years ago) link

alright, cool your boots it is then. nobody post the poll.

Alan, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:18 (twelve years ago) link

GBA is a piece of piss, because the opening track is the best thing Ride have ever done, the second song is OK, and the rest of it is shite.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:21 (twelve years ago) link

this is a) not the case, and b) see (a)

Alan, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:24 (twelve years ago) link

GBA is OK but came as a huge disappointment at the time for me. My favorite on that is 'OX4'

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:32 (twelve years ago) link

Taste.
though Seagull also desrves it's praise

Zeno, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:36 (twelve years ago) link

I remember when I got 'Nowhere' the only song I could get into, for quite a few months, was "Kaleidoscope"

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:37 (twelve years ago) link

'polar bear' was my favourite song in the entire world for a very long timen.

ages and ages ago, someone (Kate StC?) said on an ilx thread that the 'cello at the end of Vapour Trail was out of tune and since then I haven't really been able to enjoy it properly, I keep thinking 'ooh it sort of is, isn't it/'

permanent resolution, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:53 (twelve years ago) link

for ages Taste was my fave, but now I prefer Vapour Trail.

Grandpont Genie, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 14:00 (twelve years ago) link

Scik Mouthy vaguely OTM in the sense that with both albums, it comes down to a coin flip between two songs (here it's "Vapour Trail" vs "Dreams Burn Down"), with everything else on the albums being left in the dust.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 14:00 (twelve years ago) link

wrong

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 14:06 (twelve years ago) link

I never really liked Vapour Trail that much. The last 3 songs shouldn't really be there (including bonus tracks in album polls - C/D?)

I vote Dreams Burn Down.

Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 14:29 (twelve years ago) link

How do you define a bonus track though?

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 14:31 (twelve years ago) link

These songs were on all the standard CD editions, right?

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 14:33 (twelve years ago) link

oh sorry, I see they were just on the US edition

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 14:36 (twelve years ago) link

Nope, they were on the UK CD as well. But they were all on "Fall", which is where they belong.

Rob M v2, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 15:06 (twelve years ago) link

Then I don't really see the difference. Just bacause a song appeared on an EP or a single, it shouldn't be included as a real album track?

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 15:09 (twelve years ago) link

As I said, the original album - vinyl / cassette - was "Seagull" through to "Vapour trail", and the original CD had the 3 extra tracks tagged on the end so really they aren't on the album. It's just that over time nobody remembers the vinyl / cassette editions and the CD has become the dominant music carrier so I don't blame you for the questions.

Maybe I'm just being purist and anal by ignoring them in this poll - certainly when I play "Nowhere" I don't switch the CD off after "Vapour trail", I let it play and love the 3 extra songs, but for me they are of a piece as part of the "Fall" EP - that's how I heard them first, that's how I feel they belong. "Dreams burn down" works in both places - on the EP and the LP.

I'm thinking too much about this now, aren't I?

Rob M v2, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

Hmmm, I guess this question could be its own thread, but I feel that extra songs included on the CD edition are not bonus if they were there on the original edition (ie. not added for some re-release), esp. at a time when CD was already clearly the dominant format. Same goes for, say, the Cure's 'Disintegration'.

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 15:52 (twelve years ago) link

Agree it comes down to 'Vapour Trail' or 'Dreams Burn Down'. I'll go with 'Dreams...' as that chiming guitar riff gets me everytime.

Peteski, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 16:48 (twelve years ago) link

bah, this is some CD reissue, Taste was ne'er on that album.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 16:54 (twelve years ago) link

First, to clarify: Going Blank Again is a stone cold classic from start to finish.

So is Nowhere, of course, and this is partiularly hard for me because I've listened to it so regularly for such a long time, that my "favorite" track has alternated variously among "Seagull," "Kaleidoscope," "Polar Bear," "Dreams Burn Down" & "Taste." "Vapor Trail" is nice as well, but I never understood why people thought it towered so highly over the rest of the album. In the end, I'm going to cheat a bit and vote "Seagull" just for how fucking tremendous it was when played live.

It's a shame Britpop had to come along and quash Ride's aesthetic. It was nice while it lasted.

Pillbox, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 17:34 (twelve years ago) link

I heard Mark and Andy on the radio a couple of years back doing some reminiscing. They were asked what the best thing they'd done was, and they said 'Dreams Burn Down' without a moment's hesitation. I'd never paid that much attention to it before, but I put it on and it was immediately obvious that they were right.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

"Dreams burn down" is one of those songs where I can remember precisely where I was when I heard it for the first time - sat at my old PC in my bedroom at my parents, Peel on in the background - I was completely blown away by it. I'd loved the first two EPs and was anticipating something good for the third single but not THAT good. I remember noting in my diary that night that it sounded like "slow motion Felt with distortion pedals set to stun".

Rob M v2, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 18:06 (twelve years ago) link

can you recommend any Felt that sounds a bit like that?

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 19:55 (twelve years ago) link

not really into ride, but the trespasser's william cover of "vapour trail" is amazing.

jeremy waters, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 20:14 (twelve years ago) link

Electricsound OTM - I don't feel like those last three "bonus" tracks belong on the album proper because they were from the earlier "Fall" EP.

I'd love to choose Seagull but almost any live version of that song shits all over the album version, so "Vapour Trail" is the clear choice.

Bimble, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

though it's not a part of the album, really... "Nowhere" wins for me

stephen, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 23:46 (twelve years ago) link

GBA is a piece of piss, because the opening track is the best thing Ride have ever done, the second song is OK, and the rest of it is shite.

Pretty damn well OTM, Nick.

Bimble, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 02:55 (twelve years ago) link

this whole debate about what is and isn't on this album is a no brainier for me. i bought this on release date on CD in the US, poll is right it has all 11 of these songs on that CD.

i don't think i could love an album more than i did with this one at that time. i was so obsessed with this album that my friends and i sat there one night and tried to figure out the lyrics. that ended up being an impossible task and very unrewarding. we couldn't finish but ended up getting the lyrics at a British type of club in Los Angeles some nine months later.

"Polar Bear" fwiw, but can go in about seven different directions.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 03:23 (twelve years ago) link

baaderonixx, i imagine Rob was thinking of earlier, cherry red era felt, perhaps specifically primitive painters, which could be seen as their proto gaze moment, the guitar lines on dreams burn down do recall Maurice Deebank's a bit. Felt really aren't about getting trapped under collapsing walls of molten feedback though.

cw, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 10:54 (twelve years ago) link

Just to weigh in to a couple of the debates rather late in the day: GBA = mostly poor, but LTAB is really good & yes, I only think of Nowhere as consisting of the eight tracks that were on the vinyl record because that's what I bought. Was CD really the dominant format in 1990? I didn't get a CD player till Xmas 92.

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 11:01 (twelve years ago) link

I meant to follow that up with my vote, but work suddenly banned ILM for 'violence' (whatever that means).

'Seagull' is absolutely excellent, probably my favourite Ride track. As 1990 had progressed and Ride moved through the Ride EP, then Play EP, then Fall EP, they seemed to be phasing out the wah-wah assaults and just going for a kind of reverb & distortion type of sound, which I was a bit disappointed at. I bought the album the day it came out and when I heard the opening track I just thought 'great - the wah-wah's back'. They usually closed with this or played it as an encore and it was just made to jump around like a madman to.

'Kaleidoscope' is a great pop song (in the loosest sense of the word 'pop', because it didn't sound remotely like anything in the charts at that time) that has been largely overlooked and never got played live that I know of. I was going to go through track by track, but I loved this album at the time and it's difficult to find a weak spot. Maybe 'Dreams Burn Down' hasn't aged so well (perhaps because that whole quiet-noise-quiet thing got overdone by Nirvana in the years to follow) and the singing/lyrics on Vapour Trail lack a certain something.

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 16:18 (twelve years ago) link

Those first couple of bars of 'Dreams Burn Down' though ... it's shoegazing's 'When The Levee Breaks'

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 16:32 (twelve years ago) link

i love this album to bits, and i'm actually going to vote for a song that shouldn't actually be listed: 'here and now'. such a gem that one.

major props to all the other tracks though, particularly 'seagull', 'dreams burn down' and 'paralysed'.

Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 16:42 (twelve years ago) link

Argh. Those last three tracks are gonna skew things no matter what we do!

Bimble, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 16:48 (twelve years ago) link

'polar bear' was my favourite song in the entire world for a very long timen.

^^^this.

CharlieNo4, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 16:54 (twelve years ago) link

So a Disintegration poll shouldn't include "Homesick"?

baaderonixx, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 17:13 (twelve years ago) link

Ride really owned the world for a few months back then, didn't they?

my fave Ride track (and, in fact, the only one I still listen to semi-regularly) is "Drive Blind"...but I'll take "Dreams Burn Down" here, it's the only song listed above that I can still hum...

henry s, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 17:34 (twelve years ago) link

Jumping back into the 8 tracks v 11 tracks debate, I can remember a review of 'Nowhere' (in either Sounds or MM or NME) bemoaning the fact that it had an already-released E.P. track on it (i.e. 'Dreams Burn Down'). If CDs had been seen as the dominant format (in the Indie market) at that time then that review would have bemoaned the fact that the *whole* Fall EP had been tacked onto the album.

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, it's kindof a testament to how common EP releases were in the indie world at the time, too. They weren't seen as just "singles" from an album with b-sides, but respectable in their own right.

Bimble, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 18:06 (twelve years ago) link

t/s: leave them all behind vs. ummagumma live disc

Just got offed, Saturday, 31 May 2008 10:28 (twelve years ago) link

hahahahahhahhahahhahha

Also:

Leave Them All Behind vs. The Who's "Baba O'Riley" (just listen to the way they both start, I dare you)

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 31 May 2008 10:43 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i know! by the way i regard ummagumma live as the pinnacle of floyd, so it's actually a pretty tough call.

Just got offed, Saturday, 31 May 2008 10:45 (twelve years ago) link

I'm a bit of a virgin...I only associate that album with a woman with long red hippie hair that I could never win...circa 1989

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 31 May 2008 10:53 (twelve years ago) link

Anyway...Pixies anyone?

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 31 May 2008 10:54 (twelve years ago) link

I need to listen to more Pixies. You need to listen to more Cardiacs. Fair deal?

Just got offed, Saturday, 31 May 2008 10:55 (twelve years ago) link

Okay okay I promise.

But right now...

GRASSHOPPER

FAN CLUB STARTZ HERE

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 31 May 2008 12:34 (twelve years ago) link

DO YOU WANT YOUR SHOEGAZE IN A PROG ROCK STYLEE????

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 31 May 2008 12:34 (twelve years ago) link

no doubt I will be beaten on the head with a 2x4 (Fall) for saying that, but nevertheless.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 31 May 2008 12:35 (twelve years ago) link

YOU POST_ROCK SADDOES RUN AND HIDE

ON THE RUN THYE'VE GOT YOU< RIDE

GRASSHOPPER WILL FREE YOUR MIND

YOUR ARSE IS UP TO OBAMA

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 31 May 2008 12:41 (twelve years ago) link

what

stephen, Saturday, 31 May 2008 14:24 (twelve years ago) link

I've never heard Grasshopper. Does someone wanna fix me up?

Scik Mouthy, Saturday, 31 May 2008 14:50 (twelve years ago) link

I listened to it yesterday streaming from here:

http://www.imeem.com/kmfis/music/wdzKV7Yy/ride_grasshopper/

No idea what the site is or whatever, I just googled "ride grasshopper mp3"

Pashmina, Saturday, 31 May 2008 14:53 (twelve years ago) link

Nick, get hold of "Howard Hughes" and "Stampede" as well. They're two of the best songs Ride have done IMO.

Just got offed, Saturday, 31 May 2008 19:09 (twelve years ago) link

The 'Birdman' b-sides (Don't Let It Die, Rolling Thunder #2 and Let's Get Lost) hold up really well too. I don't know what went wrong with Carnival of Light - maybe it's worth revisiting.

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 31 May 2008 19:36 (twelve years ago) link

"Birdman" is possibly my favorite song Ride ever did.

stephen, Saturday, 31 May 2008 22:19 (twelve years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Saturday, 31 May 2008 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

kaleidoscope is the big loser here, deserves about 10 of vapour trail's votes

Just got offed, Saturday, 31 May 2008 23:02 (twelve years ago) link

and Seagull deserves the 11 votes that went to songs which aren't on the album!

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Saturday, 31 May 2008 23:12 (twelve years ago) link

"paralysed" deserves most of those IMO

Just got offed, Saturday, 31 May 2008 23:14 (twelve years ago) link

but seagull deserves the rest

Just got offed, Saturday, 31 May 2008 23:15 (twelve years ago) link

has any of the stuff that was on the "pink floyd" album they did that was scrapped in favor of carnival of light ever revisited? how much of it ended up on carnival of light? they should have just sit in the corner and let john leckie take control.

keythkeyth, Sunday, 1 June 2008 03:39 (twelve years ago) link

Just for the record, I would gladly have voted for Taste or Here & Now except for the fact that THEY ARE NOT ON THE ALBUM.

Bimble, Sunday, 1 June 2008 06:33 (twelve years ago) link

Also this has been a really fun thread. And thanks for the sorta off-the-cuff Pink Floyd/Cardiacs exchange, LJ!

Bimble, Sunday, 1 June 2008 06:35 (twelve years ago) link

Okay hey this is really weird. I'm getting flashbacks about the bass player of Ride. No shit. I was there for the soundcheck in '91 in an empty club when they toured with Lush or whatever because my friend was gonna interview Lush I think. Anyway, I just remembered that he (bassist of Ride) played the riff for Jane's Addiction's "Mountain Song" for a little bit during the soundcheck. Also...another weird thing is on this Coming Up For Air EP he does the bass riff for The Damned song "Neat Neat Neat" and he ALSO does the bass riff for Felt's "Primitive Painters" at the beginning of the "Performance" part. I completely and totally respect him for ripping these things off, is the funny thing. I mean how any bassist could really compete with what was going on with the guitars & drums on that is beyond me, so he was wise to just sit back and enjoy the Ride.

Bimble, Sunday, 1 June 2008 07:03 (twelve years ago) link

Alright last post on this thread tonight until someone else posts:

I don't think anyone has yet made it clear on this thread yet, but anyone who knows Grasshopper and appreciates it MUST hear the Coming Up For Air EP. It's that place beyond Grasshopper. Not quite as good perhaps, but then think how many times you had to play Grasshopper before you felt you knew the whole thing?

Bimble, Sunday, 1 June 2008 07:19 (twelve years ago) link

Damn u polar bear h8rtz!

SeekAltRoute, Sunday, 1 June 2008 08:44 (twelve years ago) link

not really into ride, but the trespasser's william cover of "vapour trail" is amazing.
yes this is fantastic. it's the saddest song in the world.

haitch, Sunday, 1 June 2008 10:39 (twelve years ago) link

Coming Up For Air EP
1 Soundcheck #1 4:20
2 Soundcheck #2 1:26
3 Performance 30:51

is what I need. Does anyone have a link? I've acquired quite a bit of shoegazism from the Tremelo100 site before. Coming Up For Air is listed there, but the link doesn't work. Gah!

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 1 June 2008 14:35 (twelve years ago) link

Here's a link.

Bimble, Sunday, 1 June 2008 19:30 (twelve years ago) link

having some of that thanks

Just got offed, Sunday, 1 June 2008 19:33 (twelve years ago) link

Merci monsieur Bimble.

willem, Sunday, 1 June 2008 19:49 (twelve years ago) link

Sire, I am in your debt.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 1 June 2008 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

Oh my god...I just heard the beginning of Polar Bear in my head.

Holy jesus. I'm playing it now.

I feel so sorry for people who never saw them live, I really really do. I hate to say that. But they were absolutely the best thing ever live. I can't erase those memories, they are a heavy part of me, those gigs.

I don't think I saw them 6 times like Nasty, Brutish & Short did, but it seems to me I probably saw them about 5 times. I can't forget what Leave Them All Behind sounded like outside at the Belgian festival. It wasn't even available for sale yet. They were poised to conquer the world and then...a fall from grace. But I've accepted this now, you know. It's history.

Bimble, Sunday, 1 June 2008 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

DECAY = GOTH SHOEGAZE

Bimble, Sunday, 1 June 2008 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

Bimble is still more goth than you.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 1 June 2008 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

VAYPOOR TRAYLE

TASTE

HERE & NOW

NOWHERE

best sequence of Ride songs ever outside of Grasshopper/Today Forever EP.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 1 June 2008 22:55 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

Cannot wait

p4K:

Ride don't get treated with quite the same hushed reverence as their shoegaze peers My Bloody Valentine, but they sat comfortably in the top tier of late-80s/early-90s effects-pedal abusers. This year, their landmark 1990 debut album Nowhere turns 20. On December 21, Rhino will release an expanded double-disc reissue of the album.

The new edition includes a remastered version of the original album's U.S. edition, as well as the 1991 EP Today Forever and an unreleased 1991 live show. It'll come packaged as a hardback book, along with a 40-page booklet featuring photos and an essay by critic Jim DeRogatis. Check out the tracklist below.

Nowhere: 20th Anniversary Edition:

CD1 (Nowhere and Today Forever):

01 Seagull
02 Kaleidoscope
03 In a Different Place
04 Polar Bear
05 Dreams Burn Down
06 Decay
07 Paralysed
08 Vapour Trail
09 Taste
10 Here and Now
11 Nowhere
12 Unfamiliar
13 Sennen
14 Beneath
15 Today

CD2 (Live at the Roxy, 1991):

01 Polar Bear
02 Seagull
03 Unfamiliar
04 Dreams Burn Down
05 Like a Daydream
06 Vapour Trail
07 In a Different Place
08 Perfect Time
09 Taste
10 Nowhere
11 Chelsea Girl
12 Drive Blind

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 11 November 2010 21:26 (nine years ago) link

I think I might already have that Roxy set & if it is what I am thinking of, it is one of their best live recordings. I would certainly invest in a remaster of the same show.

strangled by a necklace of mexicans (Pillbox), Thursday, 11 November 2010 21:38 (nine years ago) link

♡_♡

嬰ハ長調 (c sharp major), Thursday, 11 November 2010 21:46 (nine years ago) link

Okay, up for that. Twenty years old though - when Nowhere came out, Abbey Road was only a year older than that.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 11 November 2010 21:53 (nine years ago) link

shhh..

strangled by a necklace of mexicans (Pillbox), Thursday, 11 November 2010 21:54 (nine years ago) link

Woahhh

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 11 November 2010 22:41 (nine years ago) link

jeepers thats an amazing stat/fact.

piscesx, Friday, 12 November 2010 00:21 (nine years ago) link

Yeah that would definitely be the same Roxy set that's partially circulated for a while; seven songs from it were on a promo single.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 November 2010 00:24 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

so is this out then? can't find it listed on any of the online retailers

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 4 February 2011 09:24 (nine years ago) link

Future ILX poll: The original 8 songs on Nowhere or the 7 bonus tracks?

Spikey, Friday, 4 February 2011 10:55 (nine years ago) link

three months pass...

So is this not being released in Europe??
can't imagine I'm the only one interested in this

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:55 (nine years ago) link

nine years pass...

Turned thirty years old this week. Yes you're old. Burbled this just now:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/covid-coping-42820529

Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 October 2020 16:32 (one week ago) link

CLASSIC, great driving album.

brimstead, Friday, 16 October 2020 17:06 (one week ago) link


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