Second Toughest Poll Ever!

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I love this album!

Poll Results

OptionVotes
juanita/kiteless/to dream of love 10
banstyle/sappys curry 5
pearls girl 4
rowla 1
air towel 1
stagger1
confusion the waitress 0
blueski 0


scott seward, Sunday, 25 May 2008 00:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

rowla

Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 25 May 2008 00:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

juanita/kiteless/to dream of love

one of the best openings of any album.

jed_, Sunday, 25 May 2008 00:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

i'm playing this album now. i haven't played it in forever. i used to love to play it LOUD. really really loud. i'm listening on the computer/headphones now and the cd itself isn't actually that loud. not like new CDs. (my copy is old)

scott seward, Sunday, 25 May 2008 00:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Pearls Girl". I prefer "Dunobasswithmyheadman" though.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 25 May 2008 01:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

banstyle/sappys curry

omar little, Sunday, 25 May 2008 01:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

oh my god, I agree with geir about dubnobasswithmyheadman

Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 25 May 2008 01:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

i think most people prefer it! don't they?

scott seward, Sunday, 25 May 2008 02:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

juanita/kiteless/to dream of love

one of the best openings of any album.

agreed.

j-rock, Sunday, 25 May 2008 13:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

Stagger's a terrific closer as well. It's between that and the first two.

chap, Sunday, 25 May 2008 13:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'd completely forgotten about Stagger! Going to listen to this again now.

JimD, Sunday, 25 May 2008 14:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

the correct answer is Juanita, which should win easily. i've voted for Air Towel which has made a return to the set list recently. excellent track, often overlooked.

brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 25 May 2008 16:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

I decided to vote for Banstyle to even things out a bit.

chap, Sunday, 25 May 2008 16:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

I thought this was a joke poll!

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 25 May 2008 16:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

Scott does not joke about music!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 May 2008 16:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 23:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 23:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

I was the only one who voted for Rowla :(

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 23:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

i should have voted for it. i love that track. i can't remember what i voted for. or even if i voted. banstyle over pearls girl shocker!

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 23:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Air Towel" and "Stagger are probably the only two I wouldn't have considered voting for. But the right one won.

Eric H., Thursday, 5 June 2008 02:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

most listened to album ever in my home

roxymuzak, Thursday, 5 June 2008 03:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

second toughest vs. beaucoup fish? don't want to start a separate thread

cutty, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 19:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

Second Toughest - it's more varied and more soulful to my ears.

chap, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 19:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

Second Toughest easy. But dubnobass beats all

The User Formerly Known As Pfunkboy Latterly Known as.. (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 19:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

um... what group/album is this.....

i brings that levity (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 19:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

if you have to ask...

cutty, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 19:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

Underworld.

chap, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 19:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

what does it sound like

i brings that levity (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 19:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

Slow-building techno with stream of consciousness lyrics over the top.

chap, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 19:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

^^^ lol

cutty, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

it sounds like lager lager lager

cutty, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underworld_(band)

cutty, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think i prefer this album to dubnobass...

jed_, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

i agree

memo from norv turner (omar little), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

it hangs together a lot better too and those opening two tracks are so epic.

memo from norv turner (omar little), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

I still never listen to this album.

Lots of praying with no breakfast! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

so what do you listen to then?

cutty, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

Underworld-wise? dubnobass..., A Hundred Days Off and esp. Beaucoup Fish

Lots of praying with no breakfast! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

yes, knowing already you are an underworld fan it's hard to believe you do not listen to 2d toughest

cutty, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

I believe I have been badmouthing Second Toughest... on this site forever.

Lots of praying with no breakfast! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 21:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

i must have blocked that out of my memory because it makes me sad

cutty, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 21:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

I wish I liked it more! The people who like it REALLY love it, and when I first heard the songs off of it at an Underworld show in '96, I thought they were fantastic. Then, when I bought the album, they all sounded limp and unremarkable (except for "Pearl's Girl", which still didn't stand out for me until I heard it on "The Saint" soundtrack).

Lots of praying with no breakfast! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 21:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

(I had the opposite reaction to "Jumbo"; I heard the Everything, Everything version first and thought it was muted and half-baked, then heard the Beaucoup Fish version which has much, much, MUCH crisper filters on the drum tracks and was totally blown away.)

Lots of praying with no breakfast! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 21:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

PARC off the last album is 'very second toughest...' someone told me. they're right too it's great.

piscesx, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 23:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

i do not have a track called PARC on "oblivion with bells"

cutty, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

it wasn't on OWB but it was released in Japan as Darc. Great track too. You will need Loads of Birds and Peach Tree to complete the OWB tracks.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

Sorry to clarify = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bells_The_Bells

The album also includes the previously unreleased song "Parc", which was released by Underworld as the official J-Wave 20th Anniversary Song.
The song is a reworking of a previous live performance of the then-named "Darc" in Amsterdam in 2005.

piscesx, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

dan you hurt me in my heart

From Rax to Rich's (jjjusten), Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

ah, yes, had the naming backwards. Strumpet is another new song that is fantastic. Available on the Live Here Now discs through Underworldlive.com Highly recommend getting some of those discs, they're starting to sell out.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

If I could only have two Underworld songs ever, both come from this album/era: "Juanita" and "Tin There."

Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Wednesday, 18 February 2009 02:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

juanita is the best underworld song. jumbo close 2nd.

cutty, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 02:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

Confusion the Waitress and Air Towel are both fantastic too despite only getting 1 vote between them. I go through periods of listening to them both a lot.

Remixes from this era are also very good. Some of the ones that have a distinct Second Toughest vibe are:

Massive Attack Remix
Zion Train remixes
Orbital Remix

there is a very distinct shift in the sound of their records and those mixes have the Second Toughest sound in my opinion. saint etienne, sven vath and drum club remixes all sound close but the drums on those still sound like dubnobass era.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 03:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75EQkwEVlyA

i love this so much, the 'juanita' section just stays at the same BPM but gradually keeps picking up momentum and little washes of sound along the way. i dunno, this whole album is devoid of obvious anthems and was a total eye-opener as an album for me.

omar little, Thursday, 11 November 2010 00:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^^ this tune is so evocative of a particular time and place for me; first year uni, just getting into clubbing. it makes me well up. remember justin robertson playing it at cream and words can't describe the feeling, i'd never expected to hear it out. a song that hits me right there, all time.

These children will not kill my Gerrard for me oh, (or something), Friday, 12 November 2010 03:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

wow guys, I used to really like this album but now I really LOVE it, had heard it 25+ times without hearing ANY of the crazy sounds that go on during "Banstyle" or "Confusion"

frogbs, Thursday, 4 October 2012 20:15 (five years ago) Permalink

The remixes Underworld did from this era were amazing as well. The Dreadzone and Orbital mixes especially.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:56 (five years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

really, what else sounds like this album? it sounds as unique to me today as it did when it came out.

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:00 (four years ago) Permalink

best album ever

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:08 (four years ago) Permalink

also for some reason 'open eye signal' from the new jon hopkins album reminds me of this album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q04ILDXe3QE

christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:14 (four years ago) Permalink

or maybe just underworld in general to some degree, maybe it reminds me more of some of their deep cuts

christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:15 (four years ago) Permalink

holy shit i never knew "stagger" was completely improvised

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:18 (four years ago) Permalink

can't remember who did the underworld one week one band but they were one of the bands i considered writing about; really enjoyed that week

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:20 (four years ago) Permalink

thanks for that track. i can hear a similarity, for sure.

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:24 (four years ago) Permalink

wow, I never knew that about "Stagger" either. it does make sense though - the music is fairly loose, and Hyde's lyrics make even less sense than usual. if anything sounds improvised (or put together quickly) it's "Airtowel" which sort of feels like their jam track. "Stagger" is just too perfect as it is.

frogbs, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:35 (four years ago) Permalink

Sure there was a good deal of post-improv splicing and editing.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:35 (four years ago) Permalink

confusion the waitress 0

:-(

Boven is het stil (Eric H.), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:36 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah that's a joke

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 19:09 (four years ago) Permalink

i can buy that the overall structure and lyrics were spur of the moment though

frogbs, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 19:26 (four years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Really vibing on Air Towel at the moment.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 14 February 2014 14:52 (three years ago) Permalink

just listened to this yesterday, juanita/kiteless never fails to make me stop whatever im doing and just listen

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Friday, 14 February 2014 14:59 (three years ago) Permalink

listening to this for the first time

bourgie tagger (crüt), Friday, 14 February 2014 17:33 (three years ago) Permalink

report back, I'm curious as to how it's held up to someone who doesn't have any memories attached to it. my last impression of this was that it dated very well...feels cleaner and more timeless than dubnobass or Beacoup Fish

frogbs, Friday, 14 February 2014 17:34 (three years ago) Permalink

this album makes me want to live my life driving around in a car at night

christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 14 February 2014 17:38 (three years ago) Permalink

first time, crut?!?? we should have talked about this IRL while you were here

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Sunday, 16 February 2014 22:03 (three years ago) Permalink

also al leong otm in the extreme.

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Sunday, 16 February 2014 22:03 (three years ago) Permalink

Think this is my favourite dance album of all time these days. It definitely has dated better than Dubnobass and Beaucoup Fish (as great as those they are)

Kitchen Person, Sunday, 16 February 2014 22:25 (three years ago) Permalink

Obviously didn't need those and they in that last sentence.

Kitchen Person, Sunday, 16 February 2014 22:26 (three years ago) Permalink

I love the lack of obvious bangers on this one (I don't think Hyde does his shouty vox thing here except on pearls girl and even there it's deeply distorted.) and those hooks are just really so subtle and they immerse themselves in my head. like on confusion the waitress, which is all time great. I think they really achieved something singular here, like the perfect moody, propulsive, shining cityscape fast approaching in the distance album.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 02:05 (three years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

this album makes me want to live my life driving around in a car at night

― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, February 14, 2014 5:38 PM (1 year ago)

Listening again to this again now, mainly thanks to the epics poll, and I'm hearing again how good it is and how much I loved it. Such great tracks all the way through. It reminds me so much of my travelling to meet my gf in Liverpool from Leeds on the trans eur.. erm trans peninne express. Great days.

kraudive, Saturday, 11 April 2015 00:37 (two years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

CD3: previously unreleased material
1. Bug
2. Confusion The Waitress (She Said)
3. D+B Thing
4. D’Arbly St
5. 4 Crowns
6. Rowla A1806
7. Bing Here
8. Techno Thang
9. Pearls Ver2
10. Bloody 1

yessssssss

frogbs, Thursday, 17 September 2015 15:37 (two years ago) Permalink

i've been listening to this album a lot lately and it's still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 17 September 2015 15:39 (two years ago) Permalink

my cd copy is still way too quiet, gotta crank the stereo up double to hear it. But it still sounds amazing.

nomar, Thursday, 17 September 2015 16:50 (two years ago) Permalink

Full set:

Disc: 1
1. Juanita: Kiteless: To Dream Of Love
2. Banstyle / Sappys Curry
3. Confusion the Waitress
4. Rowla
5. Pearl's Girl
6. Air Towel
7. Blueski
8. Stagger
Disc: 2
1. Cherry Pie
2. Oich Oich
3. Puppies
4. Mosaic
5. Deep Arch
6. Pearl's Girl (Tin There)
7. Pearl's Girl (14996 Version)
8. Born Slippy (Original Instrumental Version)
9. Born Slippy.Nuxx (Deep Pan)
Disc: 3
1. Bug
2. Confusion The Waitress (She Said)
3. D+B Thing
4. D'Arbly St
5. 4 Crowns
6. Rowla A1806
7. Bing Here
8. Techno Thang
9. Pearls Ver2
10. Bloody 1
Disc: 4
1. Nuxx A1796
2. Nuxx A2221 UW live (2 sets) Leicester M Dog 94
3. Nuxx A4712 Live @ Zap club Brighton Feb94
4. Nuxx A4733 UW live Amsterdam Apr94
5. Nuxx Liquid Room 94 A2254 UW Live Liquid Room 2 Tokyo
6. Nuxx from A1825
7. Born Slippy (Nuxx)

Mark G, Friday, 25 September 2015 12:22 (two years ago) Permalink

i've been listening to this album a lot lately and it's still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson)

nakhchivan, Friday, 25 September 2015 12:24 (two years ago) Permalink

i only found out the titles origin last year

nakhchivan, Friday, 25 September 2015 12:25 (two years ago) Permalink

which is?

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Friday, 25 September 2015 14:27 (two years ago) Permalink

The unusual name of the album derives from a comment made by member Rick Smith's six-year-old nephew, Simon Prosser, when asked on his progress at infant school, the level of schooling attended by four- to seven-year-old children in the United Kingdom[citation needed].

Mark G, Friday, 25 September 2015 15:21 (two years ago) Permalink

yes it may or may not be true but between truth and [citation needed] print the later

nakhchivan, Friday, 25 September 2015 15:29 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

The first two tracks on this album = godlike.

Turrican, Monday, 12 October 2015 23:53 (two years ago) Permalink

cannot believe Amazon wants $$110 for the 4cd set!

the late great, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 02:00 (two years ago) Permalink

I've gotta say, I love how this album is mastered so quietly compared to other electronic records of the time, it means it really blossoms when you crank it up.

Turrican, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 23:12 (two years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

this has got to have the best first six minutes of any electronic album ever. even though I've heard it a zillion times I still get drawn in every time.

frogbs, Friday, 12 February 2016 14:21 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

The best 30 minutes, more like!

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 18:42 (five days ago) Permalink


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