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Kyla - "Do you mind" (Crazy Cousinz mix)

Fuck this is awesome.

J@cob, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 01:45 (fourteen years ago) link

OK, I listened to this crap. Can I have the last eight minutes of my life back?

Display Name, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 02:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Please list reasons for crapness with citations and sources.

J@cob, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 03:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah that was pretty awful. Something the DJ would spin VERY early in the evening while s/he's sorting through records and no one really wants to dance just yet. Polite house over martinis. And there are no dynamics to it; nothing slams into place. The vocals are bland. The lyrics are banal. And finally, it's not all that funky!

Now go record something good please.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 07:10 (fourteen years ago) link

needs a DJ Gregory dub

blueski, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 09:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes but the loli-sex vocals and the socafied beats, you don't find that kind of different and kind of essentially london-ish somehow? I don't see how anyone could think this sounded like Hed Kandi or Naked or whatever...

J@cob, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 09:32 (fourteen years ago) link

i quite like the double-tap piano hook on this 'awful gay terrible house music'

blueski, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 09:45 (fourteen years ago) link

It's more attenuated than the Hed Kandi norm. But I bet it wouldn't prick up my ears if it was thrown on one of their comps. And I don't live in London so I can't comment on how different-yet-same it is.

I mean, I guess it's okaaaaaaaaaaay on a second listen. But definitely nothing to write home (or start a thread) about.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah that piano hook is my favorite element. I'm trying to place the 1980s video game where I first heard it.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Right you know how people have started talking about a revitalised funky house scene in London, how exactly does this differ from the funky house scene that's been all over London for the last few years?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:13 (fourteen years ago) link

who's been saying it's revitalised?

blueski, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:15 (fourteen years ago) link

it's whats upfront that counts

Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 16:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Why people gotta hate on Hed Kandi and Naked???

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I like this quite a bit, though it's not the best funky house (in the strict london '08 sense) tune I've heard. I like that the genre is increasingly coalescing around that post "Cure & The Cause" sound but with a stronger Carribean influence - I'm hoping it becomes even more syncopated. Funny how bassline and funky house have so cleanly split speed garage influences between them.

Secret prescient and lost funky house tune before the fact: Mis-Teeq's "Eye Candy".

Tim F, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 13:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Pleasant enough but I agree the lyrics and vocal hooks could be stronger, although the singing itself is fine. The worst thing for me is I don't like the piano and snare sounds they've used, especially the piano (something about its tone grates with me).

dubmill, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 15:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Why people gotta hate on Hed Kandi and Naked???

-- Spencer Chow, Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:48 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Link

spencer otm

i still think kjb opinions4u are the worst

deej, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 15:25 (fourteen years ago) link

oh and what do u know hes wrong, this is dope

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 00:59 (fourteen years ago) link

also is "lol this is polite house" the lamest critique or what. how could that not describe 90% of that dixon mix he loves??

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 01:01 (fourteen years ago) link

One thing that's important to note is that UK equivalents of vocal house, esp. in the post-speed garage tradition, have never been interested in lyrical profundity or vocal power in the way that the US tradition has been. There's very few stirring diva performances - most of it is more focused on how very simple vocal phrases are situated in the mix. So people looking for good "songs" from this genre will inevitably be disappointed. But, you know, Dem 2's "Destiny" didn't need to be a "good song" to be fabulous, and nor does this stuff.

Blackdown had a great little bit on the lyrics to this track on his blog.

Tim F, Thursday, 1 May 2008 03:36 (fourteen years ago) link

But Dem 2's "Destiny" was indeed fabulous whereas this...just isn't.

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 1 May 2008 03:45 (fourteen years ago) link

"good" point

deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 03:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm hoping it becomes even more syncopated

and in addition to that overly obnoxious gear snob post I just made can I just throw in another old jackoff opinion that if this track is what counts for "syncopated" in dance music in 2008 then I would also LOVE to hear what "more syncopated" means

perhaps it will include a BASS DURMP on the OFFBEATIES

El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 May 2008 03:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Tombot did you want a serious answer?

Tim F, Thursday, 1 May 2008 06:43 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm honestly a little surprised the snare on the offbeat of 2 still counts for anything, I guess. I've always thought it was just obnoxious outside of jungle/dnb

El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 May 2008 06:50 (fourteen years ago) link

I would go into my usual spiel about that particular rhythm, but even I'm bored of it.

Anyway, fuck the hataz, this is hot.

The Reverend, Thursday, 1 May 2008 07:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Well it's not like "wow this is the most syncopated music ever", but it's more syncopated than mainstream house, speed garage or bassline, let's put it that way. Given the hyper-stiffness of bassline in particular, it's interesting to see the syncopation/carribean vibe of this stuff emerging as its point of distinction from "funky house" in the broad sense.

When I say "more syncopated" I'm thinking of 2001-era soca-beat 2-step basically - see stuff like TJ Cases's "One By One", or Bump & Flex dub mixes from that period.

Not so much this track, but other Crazy Cousinz tracks strike me as verging on broken beat - esp. the broken beat-like vocal housey tracks Zed Bias was making circa 2002.

Actually there's a kind of back-to-early-2002 feel across the whole post-UK Garage spectrum, e.g.

- "Wearing My Rolex" sounds a bit like "Rush The DJ", "Standard Flow" etc.

- Tectonic/Punch Drunk dubstep reviving the first Horsepower Productions album, 2562 reviving Zed Bias (in a different, "deeper", and more substantially syncopated way than funky house does).

- Bassline sounding like "Dutty", and also like El-Tuff remixes.

Of course early 2002 (as 2-step was losing its grip as the reigning sound, but before the fully-fledged emergence of grime) was the last time this cluster of styles was really not quite clear as to where it was going, so a return to this temporary impasse makes sense.

Tim F, Thursday, 1 May 2008 07:02 (fourteen years ago) link

you don't find that kind of different and kind of essentially london-ish somehow?

Apart from the vocals this tune sound more like something coming out of the Spanish scene. Like this maybe.

Siegbran, Thursday, 1 May 2008 10:24 (fourteen years ago) link

you guys know a lot of stuff.

the next grozart, Thursday, 1 May 2008 11:17 (fourteen years ago) link

The Marcus Nasty funky house DJ set on DejaVu FM that Martin Clark talks about and links to here is sick.

There's a track in the first section that actually sounds 95% of the way to my dreams for the genre, halfway between TJ Cases' "One By One" and Davinche's old 'R&G' productions ("Leave Me Alone", "Mr. DJ" etc.). But the whole thing is really exciting and vibey feeling.

Martin's right as well when he says that this stuff sounds more exciting with MCs chatting over the top.

Tim F, Saturday, 3 May 2008 13:15 (fourteen years ago) link

I cannot stop listening to this Marcus Nasty set. If you've wondering how on earth "funky house" can form it's own distinct genre you've gotta check it, I've never heard a house set that captures this specific vibe. It's really making me flash back to 2-step in the best possible way (i.e. the feel rather than the specific sound).

Tim F, Sunday, 4 May 2008 06:18 (fourteen years ago) link

this is great but is there a reason it starts with track 2 instead of track 1? why was the mix divided into trax anyway?

deej, Sunday, 4 May 2008 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link

also can anyone find this kyla rmx on vinyl??

deej, Sunday, 4 May 2008 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Finding any of this stuff for love or money seems impossible.

I guess the best way to get the tracks would to be get at the producer's individual Myspace accounts.

I really wish Apple would get something out I could buy.

Siah Alan, Sunday, 4 May 2008 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link

"Bongo Jam" - song of the year???


Tim F, Monday, 5 May 2008 08:28 (fourteen years ago) link

BTW Deej I think Marcus Nasty just uploaded enough of his set to fit onto a CD, hence the missing part one and the way it cuts off suddenly. No idea why it's split into parts.

Tim F, Monday, 5 May 2008 08:29 (fourteen years ago) link

I got to say that I think I prefer the kyla to "bongo jam" but anyways...

Re: buying records - Rinse are putting out a Supa D mix CD and the blurb that comes with it says this is the first time any of these are getting a release of any sort. The Kyla original (prod by paleface) is getting a rerelease on Ministry this year so they might put the Crazy Cousinz mix on that...

J@cob, Monday, 5 May 2008 09:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Jacob "Bongo Jam" sounds fairly pasty on myspace, on marcus nasty's mix it sounds awesome. Mind you the Kyra track improves from myspace to mix by roughly the same margin.

Tim F, Monday, 5 May 2008 10:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah I heard both on his mix too - and I completely agree. I just like the sexualness of the Kyla track which makes it the kind of song people will really get into in that leather shoes and designer shirts garage type environment. Every time I hear it I can really picture that scene, although the picture in my head probably has way too much moschino for it to be relevant to 2008. Bongo Jam straddles a line between goofiness, seriousness and Manu Chao that makes it totally dependent on mix context to work. No bad thing that, but I can see it sounding horribly cheesy 90% of the time, especially on radio.

J@cob, Monday, 5 May 2008 10:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Ha that's true but, y'know, go goofiness!

I'm hoping to start seeing proper Caribbean crossover stuff soon. I wonder if the ragga-ish version of "Calabria" is big in this scene.

Tim F, Monday, 5 May 2008 10:30 (fourteen years ago) link

stelfox tipped me to "bongo man," and it's currently blowing my mind. i do think it's hilarious how close it comes in sound and feel to villalobos' remix of the horrorist's "one night in nyc"!

pshrbrn, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Two more recommendations:

1) Sticky - How Very Dare You
Yes, that Sticky! And this isn't too far from what he was doing circa 2002, great ridiculous diva vocals, huge bass drop, clattering breakbeaty rhythms. Not 4X4 at all but definitely "funky house". Love it.

1) Seany B - Stomper
This reminds me a bit of my beloved "Are You Really From The Ends (VIP Remix)" - stomping and insatiable as the title suggests. Very big 4X4 kick but with all these awesome bongo flutters and counter-rhythms.

Tim F, Saturday, 10 May 2008 14:36 (fourteen years ago) link

myspace rip of 'bongo jam', if anyone's interested. produced by flukes of wifey riddim fame btw!

not really relevant to this thread but i'm liking sticky's 'i'm in love'. first song on his myspace. 'mr dj' was another one of his tunes more in the funky vein.

dbs, Saturday, 10 May 2008 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link

whoa "whole night" w/ shantie = A+++++++++++++++++++

moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 10 May 2008 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link

oops i think it's called "do you mind"

moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 10 May 2008 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link

"Who's gonna be that dancing king???"

Shantie is pretty amazing. He's so nimble and prissy!

"Too much war/Everywhere you go what you fightin' for?/I don't know/Back in the day man raves fi look wife/nowadays man a come rave fi take life/can't deal with it, the trouble and strife/formation that, left to the right!"

I would totally start using "formation that" myself if I didn't know I would sound ridiculous.

Tim F, Sunday, 11 May 2008 08:44 (fourteen years ago) link

fucking finally!

pshrbrn, Sunday, 11 May 2008 16:11 (fourteen years ago) link

now jamming: bongo jam

The Reverend, Monday, 12 May 2008 02:35 (fourteen years ago) link

This flukes kid = big things

J@cob, Monday, 12 May 2008 07:36 (fourteen years ago) link

I think the last time an area of music so suddenly and completely emotionally/intellectually monopolized me was dancehall in 2003 and before that 2-step in 1999. (grime not so much only because it was harder to find totally hypnotic DJ sets etc.)

Tim F, Thursday, 15 May 2008 09:12 (fourteen years ago) link

couple of weeks ago i found myself waiting upon a night bus at the stop opposite the hackney empire, which has a little club or bar type thing in the corner there if yall familz. anyway as i harrumphed @ tfl in my dishevelled state i recognised a vaguely familiar sound emanating from said venue. gadzooks (i remarked internally) if it isnt the migraine skank by gracious k! and a live pa at that! shortly afterwards an unimpressive gang of revellers streamed out of the place and ran to the nearby bus stop and back again, to muted cheers. come up on stage all of you cried gracious k. i put my headphones in and pulled up citymapper once more, content to accept that funky was still dead.

r|t|c, Thursday, 9 June 2016 00:32 (six years ago) link

jam with the usual "shout out to jack poppy olivia and gabriel in halls" beeb biz. [actual transcript, no golby]. least he got tadow horns in there i spose

r|t|c, Thursday, 9 June 2016 00:38 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

All the streaming services deleted "this is classic uk funky" from their sites. RIP genre, you are now a drake meme

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 2 September 2016 07:02 (six years ago) link

In all seriousness if someone has a zip for that comp I'd kill for it

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 2 September 2016 07:02 (six years ago) link

hadnt seen it before

this seems to be the only place where it's still listed to buy (and flacs too) but uk only i'm supposing

u might have decent luck seeking the tracks individually, esp if the ogs itt still have functional hard drives from then unlike myself

r|t|c, Friday, 2 September 2016 09:18 (six years ago) link

I have like 95% of that comp anyway but the mix was nice Friday evening comfort food. It's one of the few places where the Aidonia Bounce is commercially available as well and certainly the only place where it was on a streaming service.

Matt DC, Friday, 2 September 2016 09:22 (six years ago) link

Ugh "Funky Steps".

Matt DC, Friday, 2 September 2016 09:22 (six years ago) link

that comp totally passed me by too. i've got most of the tunes already but theres a few that weren't available or that i've never even heard before (or maybe just forgotten) that i might have to grab.

anyway, FNG - Night time july : this tune sounds super super familiar, did it come out under another name? i'm sure i've got it but can't find anything by FNG on the harddrive

Benny B, Friday, 2 September 2016 15:15 (six years ago) link

^^ it's by fingaprint

dbs, Friday, 2 September 2016 15:50 (six years ago) link

aah yeah had a feeling it was off invasion records thanks! i had that 12" with space invasion on the flip, classic riddims both.

Benny B, Friday, 2 September 2016 16:30 (six years ago) link

Looks like there is a US download for this 🙏🏻 thanks rtc

Yeah it wasn't so much that this was some kind of defining document or something as it was an easily available overview that touched on many of the important records, unlike the trash playlist introductions to uk funky or whatever

Also "do you mind" is no longer on streaming 🤔 *looks to toronto*

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 2 September 2016 17:55 (six years ago) link

never forget (= totally forget until just now)

r|t|c, Friday, 2 September 2016 19:55 (six years ago) link

this one isn't so bad in retrospect. rly it's only the keystone invasion crew (fingaprint & tadow) cuts that set the other one apart

r|t|c, Friday, 2 September 2016 20:06 (six years ago) link

by the by i was looking for something else a while ago and accidentally reacquainted myself with this utter classic, probably somewhat forgotten bit of foundational filth

r|t|c, Friday, 2 September 2016 20:08 (six years ago) link

Tadow's "Rising Sun" remains the archetypal "makes no sense on its own but is the best tune ever in the mix" track.

Tim F, Friday, 2 September 2016 21:11 (six years ago) link

I for one never forgot and will never forget the "Find Your Love" remix.

Tim F, Friday, 2 September 2016 21:14 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

My treasured Marcus Nasty 2008 sets are sounding particularly excellent to date. I think I've been in mourning ever since funky died .

Tim F, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 08:52 (five years ago) link

do you still listen to (current) UK radio Tim? I haven't for a long time. always wonder if I'm missing much... to be honest what I do miss recently is dropping in here to ILM casually and seeing you and r|t|c raving about dance bangers on threads like this. after decades of underground dance and a houseful of 12"s it was a relief to slow things down. what I want now is tunes that scratch every itch!

Paul, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 17:23 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

here be flukes, back solo under the crazy cousinz moniker with a half hour guest mix and short interview at 45mins in which he reflects on his "captivating year" having pound notes pouring from every pocket enjoying the patronage of a nice group of teenagers that are currently proudly purveying a super ultra new global bass type post-funky zzz (you may have seen it around being enticingly referred to as 130bpm). (all the yuppies lex stabbed in the back in that final episode of funky house of cards revenged themselves upon him by having kids i guess). "people are taking it more seriously than the scene we had before".

the mix is not unpleasant with the old riddims to begin with but swiftly nosedives into a dog's breakfast of irrelevant semi-modern solecisms. the usual.

brother tim will now join me in donning the old ceremonial robes and gravely chanting "i'm a wise old yoot and i know what's what."

r|t|c, Sunday, 18 December 2016 20:49 (five years ago) link

10 years' time let's see what we got.

God knows I might hate it, God knows I might not.

Tim F, Sunday, 18 December 2016 21:10 (five years ago) link

r|t|c, Sunday, 18 December 2016 21:14 (five years ago) link

^^^ otm

Tim F, Sunday, 18 December 2016 21:20 (five years ago) link

crying @ funky house of cards

J0rdan S., Sunday, 18 December 2016 21:33 (five years ago) link

that ahadadream set was so tedious i've decided to share the gift of xmas with some liquidated stock

these frootloopy tc4 2016 treetz should actually really be filed in the old PVC thread i guess, except the chocolate puma student whiteboy grimey bigbeat basshouse scene never reveals itself to me whenever i delve. maybe because it doesnt exist!!! oh well enjoy

r|t|c, Sunday, 18 December 2016 22:11 (five years ago) link


r|t|c, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 12:54 (five years ago) link

actually everything after vapour arrives at 50mins is a towering garbage inferno, don't even bother. but that first half!!!

r|t|c, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 13:57 (five years ago) link


This is tremendous.

I don't even recognise most of the tracks from about 23 minutes (other than the obvious like "Rass Out" and "Seasons").

Tim F, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 04:27 (five years ago) link

grateful not to have been commuting when 'crackish' crept in. woulda done a madness.

i love the whole bit where coldsteps is like 'alright let me give them a conscious one' and you just hear shants in the background going YES. YES. YES. YES.

also funny cos coldsteps has only ever had one conscious one and it is his horrible apocalyptic "bodies burning ending up in bins" piece. which still sounded fucking incredible because somehow, impossibly, only marcus-ly, warm queasy synth pads suddenly bloomed from the tune out of nowhere at the very exact moment he says "take a look things just got worse", just like a poisoned 4hero 'loveless'. incredible scenes

r|t|c, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 08:46 (five years ago) link

Sad to think that some people don't get that this music is the nicest vibes of all time.

I tried to write "biggest vibes" but my phone changed it to "nicest vibes", my phone otm tbh.

Tim F, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 11:17 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

jam with the usual "shout out to jack poppy olivia and gabriel in halls" beeb biz. [actual transcript, no golby]. least he got tadow horns in there i spose

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r|t|c, Monday, 10 April 2017 16:21 (five years ago) link


r|t|c, Monday, 10 April 2017 16:21 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

Just to let you all know about my new mixcloud where I'm uploading all the classic era uk funky sets I can find, 60 sets so far.

You'll find most of the sets that got raved about and discussed in this thread - Marcus Nasty 2008> on Deja/Rinse, formative 2007 sets from Supa D, Taffa, Kismet, Hardhouse Banton & Dubplate Wonder, funkystepz, Ill Blu, loads of my own recordings of live FM from Petchy, Devine Recordings and whatever else I could gather together.

I've already gone a bit mad on this and don't have much more to upload but I'd like to keep it going, so if any of you lot have got classic material that I haven't got, please share and I'll upload it.

Benny B, Thursday, 3 May 2018 09:16 (four years ago) link

OMG Benny.

I lost so many of my favourite funky sets when my computer died last year, this is a godsend.

Tim F, Thursday, 3 May 2018 13:04 (four years ago) link

This is my favorite ilx thread of all time. Thanx Benny

moullet, Friday, 4 May 2018 11:22 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 15:17 (two years ago) link

Baby J - I Wanna Tell You Something ^

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 15:18 (two years ago) link

didn't know where else to put this:

omar little, Friday, 28 February 2020 00:54 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Done a zip of some old funkystepz tunes. If you want it you have 7 days to ask me for it.

— Funkystepz (@Funkystepz) May 6, 2020

just sayin, Thursday, 7 May 2020 06:41 (two years ago) link

I got mine this morning and it is the best. Pastor Lucas! The Whitney refix! All the Rihanna versions!

boxedjoy, Friday, 8 May 2020 11:50 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Damn! missed it

moullet, Sunday, 24 May 2020 14:28 (two years ago) link

i asked twice :(

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:43 (two years ago) link

hint taken, keep an eye on your DMs

boxedjoy, Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:47 (two years ago) link


Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:48 (two years ago) link

could you send it to me too, please?

dbs, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:44 (two years ago) link

thx <3

dbs, Sunday, 24 May 2020 17:21 (two years ago) link

bj - 😌

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 24 May 2020 17:58 (two years ago) link

thx a lot boxedjoy!

moullet, Thursday, 28 May 2020 11:45 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

A little history lesson on why UK Funky was actually called UK Funky..... Because so many people have asked me this.

— N:Fostell (@nfostellmusic) June 11, 2022

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 11 June 2022 23:19 (three months ago) link

Thanks for sharing!

I miss uk funky

paolo, Sunday, 12 June 2022 10:52 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

Burt Cope - Let U Go

Tracer Hand, Friday, 15 July 2022 12:37 (two months ago) link

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