The Pogues: Classic or Dud

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For 'A Rainy Night In Soho' alone, I'll forgive MacGowan just about anything.

Venga, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

And 'A Pair Of Brown Eyes'.

Venga, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

If I should fall from the grace of God ! "Bury me at sea, where no other ghosts can haunt me"

naz, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Shane McGowan = best music critic ever, for expressing his opinion of a Beach Boys record by eating it

dave q, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, that explains his teeth. I'd always imagined he just ate too many sweets.

Martin Skidmore, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
last night's whistle test right, 2 of my fave bands doing 2 of
their best songs okay ?
(cocteaus doing 'pearly dewdrops..' r.e.m. doing 'pretty persuasion')
and yet the highlight by a country f-ing mile was shane and company
rattling through 'sally maclenanne' in ust under 3 minutes.
good *god* it was good.

there isn't a 'pick only one' for them yet as far as i can tell so
i'll start and say 'waxie's dargle'.
'thousands are sailing' also killa.

piscesboy, Friday, 13 June 2003 09:43 (seventeen years ago) link

absolute classic! 'if i should fall...' is still as good as when it came out.

joan vich (joan vich), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:48 (seventeen years ago) link

classic. it's a tough POO, but for now I'll settle for "Summer in Siam"

(Shane was once so wasted during a gig at a festival (i don't remember which, a dutch or belgian one it was) it was almost too painfull to watch... he forgot about the cigarette he was smoking and the lyrics he was singing, just blabbering on. Until someone came from backstage to walk him off stage, supporting him like one supports an old man across the street (only to find out that he actually didn't want to...). The guitarist (clearly fed up with the situation) took over on vocals and they rushed their way through the set)

willem (willem), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:17 (seventeen years ago) link

cool, i was going to start a pogues thread because i've been listening to Rum Sodomy & The Lash non-stop all week. classic for its creation of water-tight, perfect aesthetic world, complete on its own terms - ie, for 43 minutes you live in the Pogues version of reality and there isn't a chink of light, no gaps in their vision.

POO is impossible but i'll say 'A Pair Of Brown Eyes' because my girlfriend's in the video! (and it's a classic video too)

pete b. (pete b.), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic for many things, but for me really just one...

I've seen a lot bands over the years, and a lot of them were really good. Really really good. Some were stunning and a few have left my jaw hanging open. Then there's The Pogues. 1987. Hollywood Palladium. The Pogues guitarist was missing for the tour - Joe Strummer was filling in.

Holy cow folks... Calling it a mere show doesn't really begin to describe the malestrom pouring off the stage. A band of desperates who clearly didn't give a fuck about anything but yet somehow channeled that all that unhinged abandon into some spectacular intense playing. I really had no previous experience to compare it to - maybe the final shootout in The Wild Bunch or something. My ass was kicked.

The funny thing was that The Pogues were the opening band that night. The headliners were Los Lobos and this night was their first LA show since "La Bamba" went #1. Los Lobos were indeed great, but one of the first thing Cesar Rosas says is "we''d like to thank The Pogues for kicking our ass tonight".

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 14 June 2003 09:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I adore Red Roses for Me and Rum, Sodomy & the Lash in their entirety and bits and pieces after that, notably "Gridlock" and "Young Ned of the Hill" (both off Peace & Love). Completely lost interest after that. "Church of the Holy Spook" on Shane first solo album is a great, rolicking single, though.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 14 June 2003 10:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic, classic, CLASSIC. I have been listening to Red Roses for Me and If I Should Fall from Grace with God a lot recently. I think Shane McGowan is one of the most underrated writers in the world today.

"Boys from the County Hell", "Streams of Whiskey" and "Transmetropolitan" are three of the most rip-roaring songs I've ever heard, and when you compare them to beautiful songs like "A Rainy Night in Soho", "Misty Morning, Albert Bridge", "Fairytale of New York" and "Thousands are Sailing", the guy is a total all-round genius.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 15 June 2003 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I have either not heard them or don't remember what I heard, but If I Should Fall. . . is on my short list of rock CDs to buy eventually. I have a feeling I will like them.

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 15 June 2003 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

classic. POO is hard, becuz my favorite pogues song was in a movie (automatically loses points) but I don't remember which movie (i don't like movies) - The Old Main Drag.

I'm SUCH a Pogues fan, I even like that albuim without Shane - Waiting For Herb. Heavy nostalgia / ex girl moves for me on that one tho, so no foul

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 15 June 2003 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

At their peak (early-mid '80's) totally classic, especially live - their annual St Patrick's Day gigs were absolutely essential mayhem. By the end of the decade 'though Shane had lost the plot and the rest of the band were lost without him.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 16 June 2003 08:32 (seventeen years ago) link

eight months pass...
It's all about Sally Maclenanne

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 23 February 2004 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I finally got around to downloading Shane MacGowan's cover of 'What's Another Year?' the other day - I lost my copy of A Song For Eurotrash a few years ago under mysterious circumstances. It's not as great as I remembered, but it's still good.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...
FUCKING A THEY'RE GETTING BACK TOGETHER!!!

"By the way, if you are a Pogues fan living in Glasgow, Newcastle, Birmingham,Manchester, London or Dublin and are hoping to see (the 1987-1990 line up of)The Pogues one last time, December 13 through to December 23 (2004) would be a really bad time to leave town."

The Pogues Reunion 2004

13.12.2004 - Glasgow Academy
14.12.2004 - Glasgow Academy
16.12.2004 - Newcastle Arena
17.12.2004 - Birmingham Academy
18.12.2004 - Manchester Evening News Arena
20.12.2004 - London Brixton Academy
21.12.2004 - London Brixton Academy
23.12.2004 - Dublin Point (MCD)


Sir Chaki McBeer III (chaki), Monday, 2 August 2004 00:20 (sixteen years ago) link

"the original line up including Shane MacGowan will play"
http://www.albumvote.co.uk/news/news.php?nid=114

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 2 August 2004 05:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Believe it when you see it. Did you guys seen the MacGowan doc, "If I Should Fall from Grace"?
http://www.citypages.com/filmreviews/detail.asp?MID=4055

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 2 August 2004 05:23 (sixteen years ago) link

i love pogues!

Sir Chaki McBeer III (chaki), Monday, 2 August 2004 08:12 (sixteen years ago) link

C or D? Well, that depends on whether or not I'm drunk at the time!

Ah hell, who am I kidding? Classic for Rum, Sodomy & The Lash, the finest record I own with the name "Elvis Costello" on it.

BTW, I too saw Joe Strummer playing with the Pogues (Detroit, '87) during the same tour that Chris mentioned upthread, and everything he says about that show was right on. As far as I can remember...

(They did "London Calling"! Sounded GREAT!)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 2 August 2004 09:40 (sixteen years ago) link

shane macgowan drinks at my local when he's in london. my friend worked at the bar - she wasn't allowed to clean up all the glasses in front of him, many of them unfinished, for fear it would cause him distress. once, he got off the bar, walked outside, looked around, licked the tip of his finger and checked the direction of the wind, and then trickled back to his seat at the bar.

matthew james (matthew james), Monday, 2 August 2004 12:10 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm going to be in the u.k. at that time, i think. this is probably the best news i'll get today.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 2 August 2004 14:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Classic for 'Rum Sodomy and The Lash' & 'Red Roses For Me' - the rest I can take or leave (with a special place set aside for Fiesta as it gets played every time someone at Celtic who doesn't have their 'own' song scores).
POO - Boys From The County Hell

The Joe Strummer tour was reviewed in one of the UK weekly mags with the classic headline "Rum, Sodomy and The Clash".

Onimo (GerryNemo), Monday, 2 August 2004 15:12 (sixteen years ago) link

god i wish i could go to these shows :(

Sir Chaki McBeer III (chaki), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 00:02 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
i forgot how good waiting for herb is.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 1 December 2005 07:34 (fifteen years ago) link

pogue mahone though, kinds sucked

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 1 December 2005 07:35 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
why is shane in a wheelchair ?

chaki, Saturday, 31 March 2007 00:46 (fourteen years ago) link

He fell at their recent Boston gig and fucked up his knee. Had to cancel the first of the three nights in NYC, but played the second and third (the final one being St. Patrick's Day, of course).

Rumor is there'll be a new studio album, but I don't know how excited I am about that prospect. I only like the first three (and the Poguetry In Motion EP).

unperson, Saturday, 31 March 2007 00:59 (fourteen years ago) link

thank you.

chaki, Saturday, 31 March 2007 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link

I definitely liked the two Pogues albums without Shane - 'Waiting For Herb' was especially great favourite of mine about 13 years ago, though I hardly ever listening them since.

zeus, Saturday, 31 March 2007 10:05 (fourteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

My book here says it's Shane McGowan's birthday today. He's 50 years old.

Bimble, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 05:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Happy christmas yer arse.

rogermexico., Wednesday, 26 December 2007 08:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Last night he was on Harry Hill's TV Burp singing Fairytale of New York with a beluga whale.

ledge, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 12:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Shouldn't this topic be "Classic or Drunk"?

Mr. Odd, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

It is astounding that Shane MacGowan is still alive but Kirsty MacColl is dead.

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 27 December 2007 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link

And I think he will be touring with the Pogues in America in March 2008

curmudgeon, Thursday, 27 December 2007 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link

"ferried around america with the pogues" might be a better construction. but he made 50, that's an achievement. the man's liver gives hope to us all. really all his organs deserve respect.

tipsy mothra, Thursday, 27 December 2007 03:06 (thirteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

Will someone please, please, please tell me who the woman is singing on this. I don't believe it's Kirsty MacColl. Please. Is this on a Pogues album? It's a b-side isn't it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN-8JpgmA0s

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 24 August 2008 19:05 (twelve years ago) link

Sounds like Belinda Carlisle but it's probably Cait O'Riordan.

everything, Sunday, 24 August 2008 19:12 (twelve years ago) link

that's Cait O'Riordan, who used to play bass for the Pogues until Daryl Hunt took over from "If I Should Fall..." Unfortunately, she married Elvis Costello after he produced "Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash."

That song was written by Shane MacGowan but it's on the Sid and Nancy soundtrack. It's also on the excellent Pogues box set that just came out.

res, Sunday, 24 August 2008 20:03 (twelve years ago) link

incidentally, MONUMENTAL CLASSIC. That box set kicks fucking ass.

res, Sunday, 24 August 2008 20:16 (twelve years ago) link

also a great version of that song with sinead o'connor on shane's first solo album.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 24 August 2008 21:34 (twelve years ago) link

It was a single in its own right as well. As tipsy says, there's a version on "The Snake" as well featuring Sinead O'Connor.

ailsa, Monday, 25 August 2008 00:40 (twelve years ago) link

Sinead O'Connor version is not as good, IMHO. And his solo version of "Rake at the Gates of Hell" is fucking terrible compared to the original. But, shockingly, he made another amazing Christmas song after he went solo. It's called "Christmas Lullaby" and unbelievably, it's nearly as good as "Fairytale of New York." That song was on a limited edition single only, alas.

res, Monday, 25 August 2008 01:16 (twelve years ago) link

i sort of prefer the sinead version, it's more wistful and draws out the melody more. both are great though. "you looked so cool you could have put out vietnam" is one of my favorite shane lines.

tipsy mothra, Monday, 25 August 2008 03:31 (twelve years ago) link

here's the video to the album version of shane/sinead. (produced by trevor horn!)

tipsy mothra, Monday, 25 August 2008 03:34 (twelve years ago) link

Thanks ILM!!!!!!!!!

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Monday, 25 August 2008 03:56 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

obligatory st paddy's day pogues video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TejJDFt6Tkk&feature=related

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 12:59 (eleven years ago) link

blame insufferable patritos fans lol

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 April 2021 23:25 (two weeks ago) link

documentary is good btw. i didn't even hate johnny depp.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 April 2021 23:27 (two weeks ago) link

one thing I did not know: that “streets of sorrow/birmingham six” was treated by the authorities as a “fuck tha police”-level threat to order

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 18 April 2021 00:12 (two weeks ago) link

oh cool I see this is on Hulu, that's my Saturday night

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 18 April 2021 00:34 (two weeks ago) link

no interviews of any pogue bandmates was weird and disappointing
I wasn’t crazy about it but some good vintage clips
Poor man is basically nosferatu now, what is his actual ailment? Liver disease? aftermath of stroke?

buzza, Monday, 19 April 2021 04:26 (two weeks ago) link

that “streets of sorrow/birmingham six” was treated by the authorities as a “fuck tha police”-level threat to order

Yeah, that came out as the Birmingham Six case was finally working toward eventual exoneration. They were all released in '91. It was a huge political cause.

xpost I'm not saying that's what I think wrt the Pogues, I like them a lot, but I just know a lot of people that kind of are like peace out on any Irish type stuff because of...I dunno...Boston I guess

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, April 16, 2021 10:02 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

and truly it has very little to do w the Pogues or even actual Ireland

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, April 16, 2021 10:05 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

lets not forget the Bennigans, which my partner immediately referenced the first time they heard me put on a Pogues record

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 19 April 2021 14:21 (two weeks ago) link

"the Bennigans", jfc, idk where that came from

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 19 April 2021 14:22 (two weeks ago) link

Um, us neither...

Mark G, Monday, 19 April 2021 14:58 (two weeks ago) link

ha fair i meant Bennigans the (now defunct i think?) restaurant chain often thrown as a reference for annoying US fake-irishness

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 19 April 2021 15:24 (two weeks ago) link

Ah.

Thx

Mark G, Monday, 19 April 2021 16:38 (two weeks ago) link

I think there's a bit of difficulty disentangling the Pogues from all the horseshit Irish pride mook shit like Dropkick Murphys
Except they don't sound anything alike. I was in Dublin a few years ago and went on a musical pub crawl like all the tourists do. Our hosts —who could really play — absolutely trashed the Dropkick Murphys repeatedly (and justifiably). When the Q&A session came, I nervously asked about Shane and his standing among traditional Irish musicians like themselves. They had nothing but respect for him.

TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:53 (two weeks ago) link

Yes, I know what the Pogues and Dropkick Murphys don't sound alike

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:07 (two weeks ago) link

guy was probably relieved to have a tourist asking him about literally any band other than the dropkick murphys

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:25 (two weeks ago) link

@UMS just to clarify, no one thinks you are endorsing this POV! you're just reporting the news :)

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 00:05 (two weeks ago) link

watched this, really took me out a bit. obviously it's julien temple so it's got it's quirks but i'd rather his eccentricities than the standard straight to streaming formula music docs of which there are so many.

to the irish discussion, was a great example of what tom d. was talking about wrt plastic paddies in the u.s., the film felt so connected with ireland on so many levels, how deeply shane believed in his irishness, the pain and the hurt and the bloodshed and the poetry and the literature and his ancestors and the countryside itself, all of it. here it's just a dodgy "celtic" tattoo around the bicep of a bouncer and dyed-green beer and green mardi gras beads on st. paddy's day.

it really broke my heart to see him now. just completely slack, no expression, barely upright, methodically downing glass after glass of white wine. he would say things that made sense, sometimes were even funny or insightful, but it's almost like he's trapped in his own body -- some kind of lucid coma.

the parts where the sinn fein leader is talking to him are so uncomfortable. he wants something from shane that just isn't there anymore.

you could see it in the eyes of some of the people he talked to - the woman who was his biographer (i think?) and even ilx's beloved boaby gillespie. saw little moments where he would roll his eyes - "okay what should we talk about then?" after shane tells him to quit interrogating him about moving to london, little sad, knowing flashes in his eyes.

his family history and childhood was gripping. so much hurt and pain and alcohol, just gallons and gallons and gallons. getting fed booze at 6 years old by his aunt, how was he supposed to turn out.

i liked his sister the best, i think she understands him. to have such a gift and such a sensitivity to understanding people - to be able to really *write* that into a song. what a gift. and then to see someone drown that gift, year and year, blot it all out, extinguish whatever talent god had given him. really heartbreaking.

i think it hits a bit closer, because i've always been a social drinker, a fun drunk, i like talking to people. but in the last year sometimes i get the impulse to just deaden everything.

at the end when he says he wishes he could write songs again and play pool. it's so clear that's never going to happen again.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 19:59 (two weeks ago) link

yeah watched this today and all the contemporary bits with him were extremely difficult to watch.
the shots where he would raise a glass to take a drink, it took me a few times to realize that they werent in extreme slow motion, that was just how he moved. crushing to see. would have scared me off drink altogether if i'd seen something like that in my teens.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 20:13 (two weeks ago) link

also fuck johnny depp, what a little sycophant ghoul wannabe he is, found his new hunter s. thompson to cheer on into the grave

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 20:15 (two weeks ago) link

yeah i wont soon forget the part he rang that bell and was like "i defy any bastard to shane isnt sharper than the rest of them put together!" or whatever, meanwhile shane is across the table struggling to breathe

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 20:20 (two weeks ago) link

the worst

theatrically laughing hysterically at every little thing shane managed to mumble out

i found the parts where he was being interviewed by his own wife...um....interesting?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 20:23 (two weeks ago) link

yeah, no idea whats going on there.

its gonna be on my mind for a while, i can say that for sure. by the end of it all i could think of was the body of work that will never exist, songs he'll never write, poems never published, the memoir we'll never read. in the tribute at the end, it was brutal to watch him barely able to croak out a few lines of "Summer in Siam" next to Nick Cave & knowing theyre the same age.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 21:02 (two weeks ago) link

Still need to see this, but I've always wondered how much of Shane's current state is due strictly to drink and not that in combination with all of the other substances he's ingested over the years.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 21:09 (two weeks ago) link

I haven’t seen it yet either, but tbh the mere fact of a non-dead Shane in 2021 is a bit of an astonishment. I thought he was a goner when he got de-Pogued in the early ‘90s.

He briefly got re-Pogued. At least, I saw the band in ... 2007 (?) with him and they were great.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 April 2021 01:04 (two weeks ago) link

afaik he never left the reformed band

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 22 April 2021 01:21 (two weeks ago) link

^ he was in nine years of the original run, fourteen years of the reunion

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 22 April 2021 01:23 (two weeks ago) link

When the Q&A session came, I nervously asked about Shane and his standing among traditional Irish musicians like themselves. They had nothing but respect for him.

I had a similar experience years ago in Manchester, as a college student. There was an Irish folk-rock band my friends and I used to go see a lot, a real hot-shit group full of "national champion" musicians. We got to know them a bit and had some drinks with them. They had a few Pogues songs in their repertoire, and I was a huge Pogues fan, so I asked the band what they thought of them. First they all laughed about what terrible players most of the guys in the Pogues were. But then their lead singer said something like, "But y'know it doesn't really matter if you can't play when you've got Shane MacGowan's songs." They all nodded.

johnny depp's new irish accent is tied with Bono appearance as the worst thing in this.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 22 April 2021 08:52 (two weeks ago) link

I remember Jimmy Tarbuck giving big props to Shane, just ahead of his appearance on a chat show they were both on.

Mark G, Thursday, 22 April 2021 11:58 (two weeks ago) link

just watched this last night

on the one hand in general Julien Temple drives me up the wall bc his docs are like overdecorated xmas trees

but

Crock of Gold is weirdly beautiful in its way. it‘s sad & stark but maintains the intent of celebrating him with his flaws, & works really well as genuinely sincere reminder of his godgiven talent for music & writing

like it felt like the kind of thing that might be put together about other great poets or writers

him saying if he was handed a full syringe today he’d still shoot it & his biographer’s genuinely shocked reaction (and his rationale “a reward for being a good boy”) - i mean, god if you are looking for a real snapshot of addiction, there it is

the footage of nick cave & shane singing summer of siam together made me bawl

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 2 May 2021 18:19 (four days ago) link

this movie, whoa. what a story. reliable narrator crisis. or not? i think the crisis is only in my head.

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 01:00 (two days ago) link

yeah with Shane who fuckin knows

i love the moment when MacGowan is talking to Bobby Gillespie about the coronet solo in Fairytale of New York & he says “you know it right” and Gillspie looks at him SON blankly to the point where clear that he doesnt but also it’s unclear if Gillespie even knows that Fairytale is a song, a Pogues song, what even is a song or who is this person talking to me rn

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 02:11 (two days ago) link

*SO not SON oops

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 02:11 (two days ago) link

when Shane says quit interrogating me and Bobby half rolls his eyes and says "well what do you want to talk about?" is priceless

yes that was gold

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 03:03 (two days ago) link

I was more shocked by Shane's condition in a BBC documentary made ten (15? 20?) years ago. There are clips of it in Crock of Gold: in one memorable bit Shane gets lost in a pub, wandering out from the bar into the corridor and keeps shouting "Where's the pub? Where's the pub?" That was a real wrencher, but having seen it, he didn't seem too bad in this one.

mahb, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 07:07 (two days ago) link

What's Bobby Gillespie doing in this anyway?

Authoritarian Steaks (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 09:28 (two days ago) link

Lol, seriously. What the fuck does he have to do with this story? Save it for the Stuart Adamson (RIP) doc.

We started this last night. It's really good (sad) so far, but we were wondering if Shane had had a stroke. I guess it turns out that in 2015 he suffered a fall in the studio and injured his pelvis. I'm assuming he blew off medical advice to take it easy or whatever. Hence the wheelchair.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 12:04 (two days ago) link

Pretty sure Irish folk music is not a genre Primal Scream have latched on to yet. Unless someone knows better.

Authoritarian Steaks (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 12:55 (two days ago) link

yeah I don't know, he just kind of shows up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceMxRE6ViIQ

Number None, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 13:38 (two days ago) link

I'd say him and Shane are just "mates" in the same way he and Depp are

Number None, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 13:39 (two days ago) link

Gaun yersel' Boab!

Authoritarian Steaks (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 13:46 (two days ago) link

I read it as an attempt to have Shane interviewed not by traditional interviewer / documentarian types, but by different-yet-complementary cultural figures.

Having, say, Bob Dylan interview him would have been a surprising choice, but we as the audience wouldn't be any more enlightened or informed

Frumious Cumberbatch (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 13:52 (two days ago) link

And (not to be That Guy) but the cornet solo in question is from "A Rainy Night in Soho."

I point this out only because one could make a little doggerel about how (in McGowan's telling) he fired Elvis Co. for wanting an oboe solo on "Soho" and he said "No. Go."

Frumious Cumberbatch (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 13:59 (two days ago) link

ahh thx curse my bad memory

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:03 (two days ago) link

I was reading a bit & Temple decided since MacGowan is a pretty ornery interview in general, that to get a variety of conversations he’d gather friends/famous fans/ people he’s sat down & talked to before

i suppose in lieu of footage of macgowan telling temple to fuck off repeatedly

which … doesnt sound like the worst idea …

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:19 (two days ago) link


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