Why Weren't Zeni Geva More Popular?

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They had Steve Albini on their side (he produced their records, and even played on the live All Right, You Little Bastards. Their seemed ploddingly metallic at first, but repeated listens revealed surprising complexity. Plus, rip-roarin' guitar. So why didn't they make it?

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OptionVotes
They didn't have the cool all-black-clothes-and-sunglasses-all-the-time mystique of Keiji Haino and Fushitsusha, but at 15
Their label, Skin Graft, had no hipster cachet. 7
They just weren't that good.6
KK Null's sub-Gira barking vocals were annoying. 2
Their lyrics were dumb, and in English. 0


unperson, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 20:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

Extremely unfavorable Reward/Punishment ratio, esp. on initial listenings.

contenderizer, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 20:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

Why isn't sanding the flesh off your forehead more popular? Repeated sandings reveal surprising tactile complexities .

contenderizer, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 20:41 (ten years ago) Permalink

Skin Graft rules!!!!!

M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 20:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

I was about to say, what's this 'no hipster cachet' claim.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 20:45 (ten years ago) Permalink

KK Null's sub-Gira barking vocals were annoying.

Never hurt every fucking metal band ever.

They didn't have the cool all-black-clothes-and-sunglasses-all-the-time mystique of Keiji Haino and Fushitsusha, but at the same time they couldn't be embraced as a quirky novelty act a la Shonen Knife.

You could have a point here.

Their lyrics were dumb, and in English.

Many of their lyrics were in Japanese, and you couldn't make out the English words anyway, apart from the odd "MOTHERFUCKERRRRR".

Their label, Skin Graft, had no hipster cachet.

Skin Graft were real nerd-hipsters weren't they? And they put out Melt-Banana.

They just weren't that good.

More that they were avant-metal before it was hip / popular. In the early 90's they were too metal for Shellac fans and too weird for Eyehategod fans.

Matt #2, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 20:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

yeah they had cachet up the ying yang!

stealth skin graft moment= the skateboarder girl on the real world that wore nothing but skin graft t-shirts for the whole show. also seemed to be only normal person on real world, ever.

M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 20:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

Zeni Geva and Skin Graft were the epitome of hipster cache back then. I just regret missing them in cleveland.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 20:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

i still have the skin graft AC/DC covers double 45s, i think zeni geva is on that, i wonder if they are worth mad $$$$?

M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 20:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

looks like they are still kickin'

http://www.myspace.com/zenigeva

M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 20:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

Just to clarify, I like ZG. I was listening to All Right... as I typed out this poll. But (and maybe it was just a consequence of living in suburban NJ) nobody else I knew seemed to like them, even "underground" types.

unperson, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 20:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

I think the Sides 45s are maybe worth mad ¢¢¢. And did Fushitsusha really outsell Zeni Geva? I'd guess the opposite, stateside anyways.

contenderizer, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 20:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

I think the AC/DC covers 7" with Will Oldham is worth $$$.
ZG were supposed to play the Supersonic festival in the UK last year but KK Null's mother died so they had to blow it out. Skronk guitarist Tabata is playing in Acid Mothers Temple now isn't he?

Matt #2, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 20:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

Weren't they on Alternative Tentacles more than Skin Graft anyway?

Matt #2, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 20:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

We could be eating pudding
But we'd rather place our balls
In their mouths when they are eating
And let them be themselves

contenderizer, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 20:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yeah, don't hate on Skin Graft. Arab on Radar's Skin Graft LPs are their best work and some of the greatest records of that era (time/place), IMHO.

ian, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 20:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

xpost. It's true. And, for whatever reason, AT have been the kiss of death to hipster cachet for many a fine band.

P.S. I said "hipster cachet". Please dont' kill me.

contenderizer, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 20:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

there weren't that many hipsters back then

sexyDancer, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 20:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

It's true. They were invented by those Northern Soul critics back in the 80s. Didn't really catch on til later.

contenderizer, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 21:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

i think zeni geva and kk null were (or are) about as popular as they were ever gonna be here. i mean, that stuff had/has a presence. you can still find the albums.

i still listen to 10000 light years. i love that album. and that one came out on neurot here.

dude has put out a LOT of stuff. that public bath cover was the best. the artwork, i mean.

scott seward, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 21:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

Important, Neurot, Crucial Blast, lots of labels have put that stuff out here.

scott seward, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 21:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

Cold Spring are reissuing the awesome Maximum Money Monster:

http://www.coldspring.co.uk/discography/csr78cd.php

Matt #2, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 21:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

have reissued! and they split it into multiple tracks instead of one long endurance-testing one. on the down side they got rid of the original cover and replaced it with some generic shit.

answering the OP: too metal for the weirdos, too weird for the metal dudes. at least at the time.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 21 February 2008 04:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

i saw them live

am0n, Thursday, 21 February 2008 05:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

about 10 yrs ago =(

am0n, Thursday, 21 February 2008 05:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

stealth skin graft moment= the skateboarder girl on the real world that wore nothing but skin graft t-shirts for the whole show

Can anyone confirm or deny that the singer from the Spin Doctors was on MTV once wearing a Skin Graft shirt?

Someone on a mailing list I used to be on mentioned it once, I mean who would make up something like that

DJ Mencap, Thursday, 21 February 2008 08:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

I only have 10,000 Light Years, but love it.

The reason I love it is the same reason I think they weren't/aren't more popular; as GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ says, "too metal for the weirdos, too weird for the metal dudes".

krakow, Thursday, 21 February 2008 10:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

All the people I gave copies of 10,000 Light Years were metal/grunge fans and they liked it. I think that album also got a very good Kerrang review.

Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 21 February 2008 10:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

Had something on Alternative Tentacles that just seemed to sound like a duff version of early Swans, at a time when almost all Alt Rock seemed to sound like that, so I went off and listened to old Punk stuff for a few years.

Judging by these posts, I may have been mistaken. Still can't be bothered to dig that record out though.

Soukesian, Thursday, 21 February 2008 20:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

I think my dismissal goes somewhere along with Soukesian's. Circa '95, based on Desire for Agony & Maximum Money Monsters, I wrote ZG off as a reductive, cartoon version of what every American post-punk "noise rock" band was doing at the time. Admirable in its extremity, but with nothing much on offer beyond the sound itself. Subsequent time spent w/ KK Null solo stuff hasn't done much more for me, though it's perfectly nice as housecleaning background music.

Maybe I oughtta give 'em another shot. I've got a much higher brutality threshhold these days.

contenderizer, Thursday, 21 February 2008 21:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Thursday, 28 February 2008 00:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Friday, 29 February 2008 00:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

Well, I guess Keiji Haino is pretty damn cool.

krakow, Friday, 29 February 2008 08:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

he's got a sexy evil moe howard/roy orbison thing going on.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Friday, 29 February 2008 09:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

A lot of this sounds like turn of the century generic metalcore

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

^ this

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 8 April 2008 04:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

ten years pass...

The stuff they did with Albini - All Right You Little Bastards, Superunit, and the Nai-Ha album - have been collected as a 2 disc set

http://coldspring.bandcamp.com/album/maximum-implosion-csr260cd

DEATH PUPPET (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 09:12 (one week ago) Permalink

Nai-Ha is probably my favorite of theirs these days, Tabata's guitar really holds its own with some great clean, psychedelic stuff and weirder bluesy moments.

DEATH PUPPET (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 10:16 (one week ago) Permalink


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