Pete Shelley's Homosapien LP - classic or dud?

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help me decide please

Zeno, Sunday, 27 January 2008 18:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

The single is ultra-mega-classic.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 27 January 2008 20:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

when lcd dude puts out a record as good as XL 1 lemme know. let alone homosapien.

although as a single yeah was as good as XL 1 was as an album.

-- scott seward, Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:15 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Link

xhuxk, Sunday, 27 January 2008 20:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

i like it a lot. used to have it on vinyl, have never replaced it. title track is the high point i guess, but a bunch of good songs. "i don't know what it is," "yesterday's not here," "guess i must have been in love with myself." i remember liking it better than xl-1, but i don't really remember xl-1 very clearly.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 27 January 2008 20:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

Agree that the single is uber classic, the album is good but patchy and better than XL-1. You could probably make a fine 10 track best-of the two of them, but still not a patch on the Buzzcocks canon. Frankly I like Diggle's solo work much better than Shelley's.

Mr. Odd, Sunday, 27 January 2008 22:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yeah, "Yesterday's Not Here" is terrific. Xgau compared it to Billy Swan's I Can Help in its great single-plus-other-cool-stuffness.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Monday, 28 January 2008 05:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

Fucking huge classic, of course.

Alex in NYC, Monday, 28 January 2008 13:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

could have done better job with the production though

Zeno, Monday, 28 January 2008 13:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

Classic. And I've got also no problems with the production.
Thr title track is uber-mega-classic, but Yesterday's Not Here or Witness The Change are perfect synth-pop songs too.

zeus, Wednesday, 6 February 2008 14:41 (ten years ago) Permalink

1981 - so earlier than Bronski Beat, Soft Cell etc by several years, was this the first great gay alternative dance record? Fantastic album, even better 12" remixes. Martin Rushent on peak form. Right records, wrong time. The relative failure of this ended Shelley's electronic solo career. And out went the (Wolfe) white suits. And by 1989 he's just another old punk bloke.

Guy Beckett, Wednesday, 6 February 2008 15:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

picked this up on lp yesterday ($4)... liking it a lot so far!

htshell, Friday, 8 February 2008 19:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

i gotta pick this up i think i saw it at a store near my house for cheap

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 8 February 2008 19:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Summer's here!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZRoPqCn9zs

Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Friday, 7 May 2010 03:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

fantastic thing. went through a huge love affair w this record a few years back. the single's was such a massive hit and has cast such along shadow that i think people just kind of assume that it must eclipse the album. but no! the u.s. lp version includes "love in vain", "witness the change" and "in love with somebody else" (ditching "keats song", "pusherman" and "it's hard enough knowing") and it is awesome pretty much from front to back. in addition to stuff mentioned above, "just one of those affairs" is another personal favorite, goofy as it is. and the production is beyond reproach.

contenderizer, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

classic

I have a big tv with blue ray's (latebloomer), Friday, 7 May 2010 06:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

ok ive listened to the single at least 10 times today, it actually sounds even better than i remember it, tho it was always a total pop thrill, esp
high
all the gods/in the sky/way up /see the world/spinning round

damn i love that song

fat mantis (Hunt3r), Saturday, 8 May 2010 04:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

ha the formatting screwed up my attempt to diagram "way up ^^^high^^^ see the world spinnin round"

fat mantis (Hunt3r), Saturday, 8 May 2010 04:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

The first solo album's fantastic (as well as relevant non-LP sides.) The second one's fine too, but the third I found lacking. A lot of my favorite stuff didn't make the album at all - like the incredibly sweet "Maxine." I always sort of figured that this record would have a successful "revival," but instead it appears to have been largely forgotten. A pity.

crustaceanrebel, Saturday, 8 May 2010 05:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

Heard this in the record shop the other day and swooned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns2-Ef1Pa0c

vmajestic, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 15:06 (three years ago) Permalink

classic

some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 15:43 (three years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

ummm....someone posted of Facebook that he died???

:(

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:43 (one week ago) Permalink

christ no way?

my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:44 (one week ago) Permalink

Twitter reports all over the place. Closest to confirmation I can find is a second hand report saying his brother reported it was a heart attack.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:45 (one week ago) Permalink

oh man....

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:47 (one week ago) Permalink

this is the post, but it is as yet unclear if it is true, but this seems largely reliable pic.twitter.com/U3KNCCxNRF

— Billy (the kid) (@postpunkpoet) December 6, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:49 (one week ago) Permalink

Sadly, confirmed by the BBC.

Pete Shelley, lead singer of punk band Buzzcocks, dies aged 63 of suspected heart attack https://t.co/OAaSRAEGER

— BBC Breaking News (@BBCBreaking) December 6, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:56 (one week ago) Permalink

oh fuck it. so long pete :(

my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:00 (one week ago) Permalink

JUst saw this on Facebook , shared by a relative of his apparently.

Stevolende, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:03 (one week ago) Permalink

Damn. In my opinion Homosapien has a killer title track but XL-1 is a stronger record.

63! He will be eternally young.

Ashley Pomeroy, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:09 (one week ago) Permalink

RIP:(

What is Blecchism ? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:15 (one week ago) Permalink

fuck... RIP to one of the greats.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:20 (one week ago) Permalink

fuck

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:20 (one week ago) Permalink

Deep Cut: "Give It To Me" from '84 is very important to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oclNhYajwo4

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:22 (one week ago) Permalink

Devastated. Such a sublime songwriter and so lovely. He once gave me a pint of champagne with cranberry saying "it'll get you pissed and help treat cystitis." :)

— AMY BRITTON (@amyjaybritton) December 6, 2018

Last chat w/ Pete, Feb 2016: “I went into the kitchen to make a cup of tea after writing Oh Shit in the bedroom. Mum was doing some ironing. She said, Do you have to swear? I said, Yes, mother, I do.”

— Mark Paytress (@Paytress) December 6, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:51 (one week ago) Permalink

well shit. or oh shit perhaps more appropriate

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:06 (one week ago) Permalink

Sharpest wit of any of those guys around that time.

I leave you with his punchline, you can guess the story I'm sure..

"No, sorry, girls don't give passes to guys that wear glasses"

Mark G, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:18 (one week ago) Permalink

Noooo! what incredible songwriter.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:24 (one week ago) Permalink

fuuuck

rip van wanko, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:27 (one week ago) Permalink

RIP :(

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:29 (one week ago) Permalink

rip

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:29 (one week ago) Permalink

The two bands that reformed the proper lineup and played gigs I could get to (and did) were Buzzcocks and the Velvets. Television didas well, but I didn't go thought it greedy if me.

Anyway, recently found a cassette of that reunion gig at Brixton academy, was as good as I remembered.

Mark G, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:36 (one week ago) Permalink

So many good songs and good performances

What is Blecchism ? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:11 (one week ago) Permalink

Just seen the brief tributes on BBC and itv news, now watching news night here it comes.

Mark G, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:13 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, a longer bit of "Ever Fallen in love" oh it just faded.

I guess 6music will be all tributes now.

Mark G, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:15 (one week ago) Permalink

Hmm, guess not.

Maybe tomorrow

Mark G, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:17 (one week ago) Permalink

Many of us use boilerplate, i.e. "RIP to one of the greats." Pete Shelley deserves it.

With a band like Buzzcocks and a songwriter like Shelley, the line between hooks and melodies gets a good whacking. I don't know if "What Do I Get" and "You Say You Don't Love Me" are giant hook-songs or songs with indelible melodies. Does it matter?

I almost wrote, "and, god, 'I Believe'" but it would dishonor one of the brutal examples of self-abnegation in rock. But it's not nihilistic -- a person who sang "I Believe" like Pete Shelley did was holding out for another reason to believe.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:18 (one week ago) Permalink

6music playing a full peel session now.

Mark G, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:21 (one week ago) Permalink

Hmm, bit jumpy but that might be my TV

Mark G, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:23 (one week ago) Permalink

No way, Pete Shelley can't be dead ;_;

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:38 (one week ago) Permalink

Don’t have the usual love/hate relationship with him I otherwise would have with an artist I spent a lot of time listening to, just the former.

What is Blecchism ? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:54 (one week ago) Permalink

Checking my Facebook, amazing how many disparate people loved Pete's music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf2DgSJuUHc

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Friday, 7 December 2018 00:17 (one week ago) Permalink

this is horrible, horrible news, RIP.

Bee OK, Friday, 7 December 2018 00:45 (one week ago) Permalink

Oh man. Never got to see him play but I had a friendly phone interview with him once, very sweet guy. One of those ones where I was like, "I know you hear this all the time, but your music means a lot to me. Thank you." R.I.P. Pete.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 7 December 2018 01:58 (one week ago) Permalink

He meant a good deal to me -- as queer artist (even Fine Young Cannibals' "Ever Fallen in Love" cover couldn't hide the gay subtexts; if anything, Roland Gift sounded queeer), as singer-guitarist. Recovering from a deep dive into Can and listening to Buzzcocks a couple hours ago, I noticed how they interpolated Can's use of space and well-timed bits of noise in a pop punk context like no one did.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 December 2018 02:19 (one week ago) Permalink

xps yeah this is all over my FB feed in a way that surprises me and warms my heart

just gonna c&p this great remembrance from Lou Barlow:

I sat next to Pete Shelley for the duration (2-3 hrs?) of the Mojo magazine awards a few years back and it was one of th best -getting drunk with a stranger- moments I’ve ever had.. his asides and comments on the assembled group of rock stars around us in his heavy (and ofter indecipherable) Mancunian accent was as hilarious as u can imagine.. the fact that he was one of the greatest songwriters of all time (his raw, sexual, emotionally vulnerable lyrics were a huge influence on me) was initially too much take but I had no choice but to relax, share the free flowing wine and let it happen (and never let on how much his music meant to me.. that would have blown the vibe) ..the two funniest things I remember were: #1 when the Zombies rose to accept an award he said ‘who are they?’ and commented that the way they stood in line, facing forward in profile silhouette, resembled an LP cover (it did).. and #2 at the end of the night he insisted that he had met my mother, when I assured him that was not in any way possible, he wouldn’t take my word for it until we stumbled out to the sidewalk (right into Joe Elliott from Def Leppard who was v nice and not at all bothered when I spat out ‘hey, yer the guy from Def Leppard!!’) .. it finally became clear that Pete thought I was Kevin Shields.. anyway, Pete Shelley seemed t b living the life that a lot of those Manchester punk/post punk genius guys did/do .. prob partying till the end, not giving a shit in the most glorious way.. he spoke the immortal words ‘no Moët no show-ay’ after all (in reference to his rider requirement).. the Buzzcocks recorded many of my favorite songs that only get better and more miraculous sounding with age.. their first recordings invented hardcore and the sophistication of the songwriting puts them shoulder t shoulder w the Beatles etc. and Pete Shelley was a good hang, condolences t all his friends and loved ones..

sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 02:21 (one week ago) Permalink

wow`

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 December 2018 02:30 (one week ago) Permalink

no Moët no show-ay

sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 02:33 (one week ago) Permalink

better than "homo superior-ah in my interior-ah"

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 December 2018 02:34 (one week ago) Permalink

def

sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 02:36 (one week ago) Permalink

Sweet story, although that was definitely a Lancasheeeeere accent Pete had and not a Manchester one

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Friday, 7 December 2018 02:40 (one week ago) Permalink

... not that Lou Barlow could be expected to spot that!

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Friday, 7 December 2018 02:41 (one week ago) Permalink

Here’s my favorite Buzzcocks story—and I wish I could remember if it happened at WFMU or at a college radio station. At any rate, it was sometime in the mid-‘90s, in the U.S.

— Douglas Wolk (@douglaswolk) December 6, 2018

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 December 2018 02:41 (one week ago) Permalink

man that's great. I got to see them in '91 or '92 (only recently reformed iirc) at the I-Beam in San Francisco and it was the same kinda thing, like one new song and then six total classics in a row and then another new songs and then six more killer oldies played with fire and meaning.

sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 02:50 (one week ago) Permalink

I interviewed him once too and all I can remember is how nice and funny he was. Oh, and I remember calling the hotel's front desk and asking to be transferred to Pete Shelley's room, which was super cool.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 02:52 (one week ago) Permalink

Love these stories! Bummed I never saw them/him live

Heard the news late last night and played side 1 of XL-1 just before I went to bed, lovely and appropriate if atypical closer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEyhprjbz3A

willem, Friday, 7 December 2018 10:35 (one week ago) Permalink

Should have posted this, audio synced to the ZX Spectrum computer program that came with the album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4X2FG9Jbqw&t=1080s

willem, Friday, 7 December 2018 10:39 (one week ago) Permalink

don't think anyone's posted this yet, ZX Spectrum code which was the last track on XL-1 and made accompanying visuals for each track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4X2FG9Jbqw

xp gah

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Friday, 7 December 2018 10:40 (one week ago) Permalink

looks like I was a second late but got the link right lol

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Friday, 7 December 2018 10:41 (one week ago) Permalink

:)

willem, Friday, 7 December 2018 10:42 (one week ago) Permalink

win.

Mark G, Friday, 7 December 2018 10:57 (one week ago) Permalink

Gratified by how much coverage his death is getting.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/dec/07/pete-shelley-tributes-glen-matlock-pete-hook-jon-savage

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Saturday, 8 December 2018 12:55 (one week ago) Permalink

Nice, thanks. I clicked through to the other relevant stuff as well. Enjoyed Malcolm Garrett referring to him as the “P.G. Wodehouse of Punk.”

What Do I Blecch? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 December 2018 13:58 (one week ago) Permalink

So sad reading that, especially Marc Riley discovering the news while on air. Sounds like one of those guys, like George Michael, whose generosity of spirit and the affection felt for him only becomes widely known after their passing.

Dan Worsley, Saturday, 8 December 2018 14:36 (one week ago) Permalink

> especially Marc Riley discovering the news while on air

same happened when MES died.

(my thoughts went out to radcliffe and maconie when i heard, except radcliffe is off ill and maconie wasn't doing the show this week)

koogs, Saturday, 8 December 2018 17:37 (one week ago) Permalink

clicked through to the other relevant stuff as well

That Suzanne Moore piece is really good.

timellison, Saturday, 8 December 2018 19:13 (one week ago) Permalink

only found today. irl i was playing various buzzcocks and shelley for my pop-punk-fan kid the very day he passed! really bummed.

standard style response from me is “someday, sadly, mccartney will pass, and i will say, ‘what a talent! no pete shelley, but RIP.’” damn.

Hunt3r, Sunday, 9 December 2018 01:11 (one week ago) Permalink

This afternoon I watched They'll Love Me When I'm Dead, the documentary about the making of Orson Welles' The Other Side of the Wind, which plays "Why Can't I Touch It" over the end credits--something that would have surprised me even if the song wasn't suddenly, sadly timely.

Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Sunday, 9 December 2018 01:33 (one week ago) Permalink

Didn't even occur to me that I was playing the Buzzcocks at the dinner table just a couple of weeks ago, because they're awesome

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 9 December 2018 04:32 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, I dug out the "Product" box about a month ago, and had the "Operator's Manual" cd in the car.

Oh, and..

. Sounds like one of those guys, like George Michael, whose generosity of spirit and the affection felt for him only becomes widely known after their passing.

― Dan Worsley, Saturday, December 8, 2018 2:36 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Actually, so many people had said what a nice bloke Pete was over a long period, generous to other bands even back then - along with Johnny Clarke.

Mark G, Sunday, 9 December 2018 15:58 (one week ago) Permalink

better than "homo superior-ah in my interior-ah"

I had never seen the video for “Homosapien” before. I like how they went out of their way to place Pete inside the most interior looking of all interiors (hey, and it’s obviously his, he wears matching clothes!). Can’t decide whether this was supreme irony or a way of providing plausible deniability, or a combination of both.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64sxycxRIvI

breastcrawl, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 13:48 (six days ago) Permalink


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