RFI: What is Dadrock?

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Is it just a handwaving dismissal phrase for a band you don't happen to like, or is this a specific, proveably real genre?

Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Is any genre "proveably real"?

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

To clarify: Is Phil Collins/James Taylor/Michael Bolton Dadrock?
Mystery Bonus Question....Fave "Dadrock Record"/Least Fave "Dadrock Record"?

Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

No, they aren't really I don't think.

Paul Weller solo records are Dadrock. Records which are a bit like Paul Weller solo records are also Dadrock. Records which are trying to be like classic Sixties rock but were recorded in the 90s and 00s are generally Dadrock but not always.

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'd argue that later Oasis and Travis are Dadrock and that Coldplay and Starsailor aren't, they're too angsty. Dadrock is characterised by a general feeling of righteous contentment, a sense that in music the basic questions - what is worth playing, thinking about, talking about? - have been answered, that the struggles of the 60s and 70s are over and that the right side won even if you wouldn't know it from looking at the charts. What remains is to strap on a guitar and play some jolly good songs.

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Don't forget CAST!

jel --, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks, Tom, that clarifies matters immensely.

Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

In England, "Dad Rock" wakes sense because the rockers all got kicked in the nuts by Mods and couldn't spawn so Dad rock = anyfink Paul Wellah might like. In the USA where most parents are only senior to their offspring by 12-14 yrs, Dad Rock might mean anything from Ghostface Killah to The Misfits.

fritz, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

XTC's last album is probably the best Dadrock record I know and I still don't like it enough to own it.

Unless Sheryl Crow counts - actually let's face it she does, and I wuv her stuff.

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Which brings up the point...is there Momrock?

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

my mom likes meatloaf, if that's any help

weller-attested back-in-the-day dad-rock inc. traffic, stevie winwood >>> oddly enuff tok's defn excludes costello/dylan, in ref whom the entire whatevah came up

mark s, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

So Fritz: You're implying that most Americans have kids at the age of 12-14?

And considering my situation, I think "Momrock" might be the Pogues and Patti Smith.

Nate Patrin, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

blimey i think i just got in touch with tom's inner robot

mark s, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

No - cos in the Dadrock scheme of things women (and by "women" we mean "Chrissie Hynde") did not come along and make their contributions until the parameters of the music had already been finalised.

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Tik-tik-tik-tik-tik

Tok, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I think it includes Costello and Dylan selectively, and Patti Smith selectively too - it admires the idea of them as lyricists, for instance. Indeed generally it likes the idea that people in the 60s and 70s did fight the battles which made good music possible, it just doesn't want to engage with the issues again.

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Includes in its canon that is - I don't think any old bands are actually Dadrock, they're just rock (or not as the case may be).

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

it has to be extremely selective — eg basically taking them as the opposite of what they are — since both EC and BD restart the fight wiv every LP? (well, every return-to- form LP heh) (no actually, the non-return- to-form LPs are the ones where the fight doesn't get started, but not for want of trying: eg King of America has a great pre- game premise, it's just a fckn awful record)

who the hell admires patti smith "as a lyricist"?

mark s, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

oh right: ignore what just said then (except the patti smith bit)

mark s, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

my mom likes meatloaf, if that's any help
My mom was a true Punkah: She had a Cliff Richard (LIFE SIZE!) in her dorm room. heh. The nuns made her take it off.

nathalie, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The "kings" of Dadrock are undoubtably Ocean Colour Scene. Logophilia.com defines it as:

Music performed by aging rock stars; also, music that is strongly influenced by groups from the 60's and 70's.

It's kinda what music would sound like if disco and punk had never happened, really. Music where the Small Faces were more influential than the Beatles, and the Kinks are everyone's touchstone.

Dadrock acts: Ocean Colour Scene, Cast, The Verve, Paul Weller post 1988, The La's.

Judd Nelson, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

me, sorta. am i all alone in this generation?

unknown or illegal user, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

[that was an answ. to the patti smith qn not the dad rock qn OBV]

unknown or illegal user, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah it's not that they admire old rockers except for Traffic and the Small Faces, they admire the received ideas of what old rockers did, i.e. Patti Smith was apparently a female punk poetess of incredible integrity, this then absolves anyone else ever from having to be that. My sneaking suspicion is that Dadrockers are the most image conscious of any musicians anywhere (or just the worst listeners).

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

It sounds, then, like this label is pejorative from the get-go by its definition?

Joe, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

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mark s, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Joe: no. Because if you also believe that the battles of the 60s and 70s don't need refighting, and that in critical terms the good guys won, then Dadrock is clearly the music for you. As a label it's perjorative, yeah, as a genre not neccessarily (since most people do enjoy 'classic songwriting' to some extent) - it needs a friendly relabelling, but all the obvious ones - "modern rock", "adult rock" - are gone. Besides, Dadrockers probably don't think of themselves as a separate genre, since if I'm right about their worldview the age of genres in competition is essentially over.

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The nuns made her take it off.

Boy, and I thought it was only the priests getting up to some illicit action these days.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

''I'd argue that later Oasis and Travis are Dadrock and that Coldplay and Starsailor aren't, they're too angsty''

How is that the case, Tom: Oh, I get it, it was that lyric 'My daddy was an alcohholic' angry or what. Who sang it? Coldplay or starsailor? And Does it fucking matter?

These people walk around as if the world is great, or if it isn't, it will be if you just sing this fucking song.

The worst thing is that this is filed as student music, and, as someone who got a degree a few months back i have to say they are correct. But its nothing to do with me!

Julio Desouza, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Dear Son,

Mother & I find it hard to believe that any of the above accused sound "like disco and punk never happened." What artists that you kids listen to today actually fit this description?

Love, Dad

briania, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Dadrock doesn't have an exclusive monopoly on boringness, Julio. Coldplay and Starsailor with their awful moaning keening vocals are actually in the somewhat same tradition as yr favourites Keiji Haino and Diamanda Galas, they're trying to use music towards a private, spiritual end, achieving some kind of transcendence by expressing their pain through music, etc. etc. The problem is that both bands have hit on a set of tropes which they think mean 'yearning', 'spirituality', 'transcendence' etc. but actually just end up standing for a kind of noncommittal angst, at best.

It's the difference between a lack of ambition and an utterly misplaced ambition, perhaps?

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Meatloaf is playing Hyde Park in the summer! Are any ILXer's going?

jel --, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The thing that struck me when i heard Coldplay/starsailor was that these guys might be angry but its not targeted at anything so I concluded that these people are not angry when there is a lot to be angry about. I like music with a confromtational aspect (either in the words or in the music) though its probably way more complicated.

Diamanda= obv. sense of disgust. See plague mass live.

Keiji Haino= have not figured him out. I'm not sure he is angry but he is an incredible singer/guitarist (has technique but it never comes off as an egotistical display, from what I've heard anyway).

Julio Desouza, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Dadrock is a pejorative that says much more about the limitations of the person using the term and their narrow minded stereotyping than the bands the description is usually applied to (see my thesis on 'rockist' and double it).

Like all genre descriptions its a fluid term, but at its narrowest it applies to a specific small collection of UK post-britpop bands mainly ones that are friends of Paul Weller or likely to have supported Oasis. I'm not a big fan myself but don't find it disagreeable either. Ocean Colour Scene I have a great deal of time for, mainly because of their obsessive and clearly loving Stax refereneces. I've seen them twice and not actually enjoyed it much though. But hey, live and let live. I like Family, Traffic and the Faces so recent Weller is fine by me (though he was utterly awful the last time I saw him live).

If the stereotyping of the bands is useless, the stereotyping of fans of these bands are much worse - a shame but thats probably how it ever was.

So to answer the original question, it is a genre, but one only defined by its detractors (are there any other examples of this?).

Alexander Blair, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I think Dadrock is a perjorative name for a real thing, one that exists independent of its detractors - i.e. fans of 'Dadrock' exist but do not call it Dadrock, they value it for its positive qualities. I'd still stick with my characterisation of it as rock which is sure of itself, rock at rest if you like - in this sense Dadrock is semi- apt as a term, in that fatherhood is stereotypically the stage at which a man 'settles down', but it's only semi-apt because this is a bit of a useless stereotype.

Tom, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

**Music where the Small Faces were more influential than the Beatles, and the Kinks are everyone's touchstone**

(shuffles awkwardly)

Tom's description and explanation is OTM here. I think you can also add Dad-Soul to the menu - archetypal Dad-rocker likes 'shouty' soul ('Soul Man', bits of Otis etc) but spurns the more sensitive stuff as being 'for the birds'. Also The Who are *quality*. (What do you mean, how do I know all this?)

Alexander is also OTM, apart from Ocean Colour Scene, who while not as entirely wretched as they're *supposed* to be, are crap. I like Traffic, too.

Dr. C, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

its obviously a pejorative term, but one that has, i think, been claimed defiantly/semi-ironically by its fans. (in a "we're millwall no one likes us we dont care" stylee)

it is exactly as tom describes it (although travis are sort of a halfway rather than fully fledged - too wispy to be entirely accepted - partly due to lacking the requisite wellered soulmusic influences - the stax stuff mentioned above etc). i think its where indie and rock meet and synthesize, a resurgence of rock, that was knocked out of the market place from the 80s thru 94

gareth, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Dadrock= Pink Floyd for me so Im way off target. As for other genre's named by detractors were goth and grunge derogatory terms that stuck or merely descriptive?

kiwi, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Surely "punk" must have originally been a derogatory term? Unless someone one day said "Hmm, what shall we call this new musical genre? I know, let's name it after a slang term for prison rape victims. That'll be a good idea".

Judd Nelson, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Well think about the genre in qn - why wouldn't they say that?

Tom, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah. They didn't have focus groups back then, did they?

Judd Nelson, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Are Shack dadrock?

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

yes, they are...

gareth, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Michael Head ONLY veered towards Dad Rock with HMS Fable, which was a HUGE disappointment after the subtle beauty of The Strands album and the shimmering pop of 'Waterpistol'.

Dr. C, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Initially, 'Dadrock' was such an absurdly prejudiced term it was fun for a few laughs at Oasis' expense, but anymore it says as much about the person saying it (with a straight face!) as it does about the artists it supposedly describes. "Oh, I don't have time for 60s derived music. It's got to be re-cycled Roxy Music or Human League for me. You know, stuff that's not afraid to take chances."

Curt, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Obviously it triangualtes the person saying it yeah, but all words - especially genre-words - do this. Are you saying that all the people using it on this thread think like that, Curt?

Tom, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

well, he's right about me, that much is clear!

gareth, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Tom, people using it here are responding to the question, so no, you're not all stinking hypocrites.

(After reading the thread, I see now that Alexander Blair had posted the same comment before me.)

Curt, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I dont care if HMS Fable is dadrock. Truly it is one of the finest displays of songwriting...ever!

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

However, Club Dad is not Dadrock.

Sarah, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

why not just make it 'you dont get all yr music from mp3 blogs'

just sayin, Thursday, 30 April 2009 15:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

I know a couple of 30-something dudes who like Animal Collective. I don't feel uncool in the slightest for thinking they're turd.

Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 30 April 2009 15:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

Ed III, Ned, Southall OTMFM

sorry for british (country matters), Thursday, 30 April 2009 15:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

coolness was never an option in my world, before or after i became a dad, but i now feel very bad that i never listened to my promo of 'sung tongs' all the way through.

mark e, Thursday, 30 April 2009 15:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

Fuck, I know a 50-something mum who likes them, and it was one of the 30-something blokes who got her into them.

She asked Em if we were going to see The Hold Steady the other day. (She's Em's section head at work.)

Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 30 April 2009 15:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

Sung Tongs is better than the last two.

Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 30 April 2009 15:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

I guess The Lex's AC h8r posts were just subliminally pimping the dadrock he lives and loves all along then

National Lampoon's Minimal House (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 30 April 2009 15:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

Having said that, I love Wilco, especially their last -- and especially "dadrock" sounding -- disc, Sky Blue Sky

tis a really good disc and i actually first heard this through my dad who said something along the lines of "wilco are kinda the only game in town for us old timers".

QE II, Thursday, 30 April 2009 18:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

There is no such thing as "dadrock". It's called Britpop, and it was the best thing to happen to music for the entire 90s.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 30 April 2009 22:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

And there is of course nothing negative about being liked by dads. The majority of people with a musical taste that is not compete rubbish have become dads by now.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 30 April 2009 22:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

or mums?

sorry for british (country matters), Thursday, 30 April 2009 22:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

I would say most mums still have a rubbish taste. Celine Dion and Mariah Carey are hardly worthy :)

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 30 April 2009 22:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

There is no such thing as "dadrock". It's called Britpop, and it was the best worst thing to happen to music for the entire 90s ever.

the old grey mare hoos ain't what he hoosed to be (state of the world today), Thursday, 30 April 2009 22:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

Now of course the best thing of all would have been if music had stopped developing forever in 1984 and the same genres that dominated the charts in 1984 would have done forever without any change. Then Britpop wouldn't have been needed either.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 30 April 2009 22:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

(And I am not talking Grandmaster Flash here)

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 30 April 2009 22:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

what kind of music do deadbeat dads listen to?

velko, Thursday, 30 April 2009 22:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

RATT

ogmor, Thursday, 30 April 2009 23:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

We got this guy in town who would set up amps and a PA in the park and perform his brimstone 'n' damnation songs with his middle-school aged kids as the backing band. He played a lime-green 80s Kramer, then. Looks like he's got a band with other Dads now:

http://www.prime.org/

bendy, Friday, 1 May 2009 00:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

I gotta say, Geir is in especially fine form, here.

Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Friday, 1 May 2009 00:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

I guess I have no idea what dadrock is. I always thought it referred to stuff like Tom Petty, Springsteen, and Bob Seger.

worldwide global pandemic (Z S), Friday, 1 May 2009 00:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

I would NEVER label any britpop group as dadrock.

worldwide global pandemic (Z S), Friday, 1 May 2009 00:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

You're right about American dads. I guess it would be Wilco.

Kevin Yates, Phys. Ed. (u s steel), Friday, 1 May 2009 00:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

British people don't have Dads

loaded forbear (gabbneb), Friday, 1 May 2009 00:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

There is no such thing as "dadrock". It's called Britpop, and it was the best thing to happen to music for the entire 90s.

Ocean Colour Scene and Paul Weller were not britpop. They were Dadrock.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 1 May 2009 00:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

xp ZS: Yeah that's what I thought of as dadrock - along with stuff like The Eagles, Chicago, Boston, Billy Joel ...

giving a shit when it isn't your turn to give a shit (sarahel), Friday, 1 May 2009 01:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

The Smiths are for people who like/need lyrics so a certain variety of critic spazzs out over them.

Cocteaus are for people who like music so Xgau and his ilk shit on them.

I remember listening to the first single and literally moaning, Oh fuck, I'm NEVER going to hear the end of this.

Cocteaus by a flanging mile.

i, grey, Friday, 1 May 2009 05:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

American Dad Rock? Survey said!

Foreigner
Lou Gramm
Eagles
KISS
Fleetwood Mac
Steve Winwood
Eric Clapton
Paul Simon
Cat Stevens
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
Bruce Springsteen
Bon Jovi
Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship/Starship
Willie Nelson
Glenn Frey
Cream
Toto
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
David Bowie
Queen
Jackson Browne
The Byrds
Bread
The Who
Journey

And that's from an actual dad's Lastfm chart, no less.

Cunga, Friday, 1 May 2009 06:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

American "dadrock" already has a name. It's AOR. Most of those name fit into that term, and the rest don't fit in with the rest musically at all.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 1 May 2009 07:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

Sure, I'm just posting, for the sake of accuracy, what an actual "born in the 50s and stills loves the 70s" dad listened to regularly. And if you think some of the above bands really don't fit in with what dadrock is, let me warn you that Sixpence None the Richer barely missed the cut.

Cunga, Friday, 1 May 2009 07:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

I still see nothing wrong in that, although the best way to get rid of Britpop would probably be for dads and teachers to get heavily into hip-hop. Then the kids would move on and find something else (and possibly better).

Geir Hongro, Friday, 1 May 2009 07:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

(Although then I guess the hip-hop kids would just join the metal kids bunch instead)

Geir Hongro, Friday, 1 May 2009 07:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

The main difference between Dadrock/britpop has to be that the former doesn't stretch to the art school/glam end of the latter (Pulp), nor the punkier stuff like Elastica. Supergrass would borderline perhaps? The second album displays definite dadrock tendencies, it sounds like a conscious attempt to aim for some sort of rock classicism. (Good record though). Not sure about Blur though.

Gavin in Leeds, Friday, 1 May 2009 08:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

FUCK OFF YOU NUTTER

xpost

Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 1 May 2009 08:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

the best way to get rid of Britpop would probably be for dads and teachers to get heavily into hip-hop

Did someone say "BBC3 sketch show"?

National Lampoon's Minimal House (DJ Mencap), Friday, 1 May 2009 09:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

Dadrock i dont think meant bands that dads were into, it meant kids making retro music that sounded like the bands dads listened to from 20+ years ago. So the actual 60/70s bands weren't "dadrock"
Obviously with mojo and Q jumping on the bandwagon some dads did get into 90s stuff because they sounded like the bands from their youth.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 1 May 2009 12:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

JIMMY BUFFETT.

akaky akakievich, Saturday, 2 May 2009 17:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

No. If Jimmy Buffet is dadrock, I hate dadrock.

Jimmy Buffet is something else. Something horrible and lame.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 2 May 2009 17:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

I know a couple of 30-something dudes who like Animal Collective. I don't feel uncool in the slightest for thinking they're turd.

― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 30 April 2009 15:18 (2 days ago) Permalink

Ed III, Ned, Southall OTMFM

― sorry for british (country matters), Thursday, 30 April 2009 15:20 (2 days ago) Permalink

THANKS for that opinion!

I had missed it the previous 20 times it was posted.

and well done Robin for bringing up the rear with the hell ditto yet once more.

fandango, Saturday, 2 May 2009 17:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

I feel exactly the same way about Embrace lol

fandango, Saturday, 2 May 2009 17:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

I know MANY 30-something dudes who like Super Furry Animals. I don't...

fandango, Saturday, 2 May 2009 17:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

go on, tell us how overrated Nirvana and Radiohead are again please. Vintage Challops 10 years+, serve without "cool".

fandango, Saturday, 2 May 2009 17:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

my dad: America + Simon and Garfunkel + Norah Jones + The Dark Side of the Moon

Mulvaney, Thursday, 7 May 2009 16:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

nine years pass...

There is no such thing as "dadrock". It's called Britpop, and it was the best thing to happen to music for the entire 90s.

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:13 PM (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

God I miss this man.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 01:26 (four months ago) Permalink

Really, who cares!?

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 08:15 (four months ago) Permalink

well, dad, for one

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 08:40 (four months ago) Permalink

And Rock for another.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 09:09 (four months ago) Permalink

depressing that what was dadrock only 9 years ago is firmly grandadrock now

thomasintrouble, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 10:20 (four months ago) Permalink

There is no dad side of the rock; it's all dad, actually.

a film with a little more emotional balls (zchyrs), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 11:42 (four months ago) Permalink


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