funk-rock drumming

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inspired by two princes thread. all the classics.

url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKPVUOUuomU]like this....[/url] and this... and this

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 06:44 (twelve years ago) link

oops.

anyway, the dire straits one is more disco-funk-rock i guess, but i love it.

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 06:47 (twelve years ago) link

from that thread

two princes
hard to handle

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 06:53 (twelve years ago) link

and the only apple pie video i could find, which sort of says it all.

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 06:59 (twelve years ago) link

people forget bruce was funk rock. i think he never had good enough drummers so he gave it up...

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 07:08 (twelve years ago) link

I was actually thinking more of "Dancing Days" and "D'Yer Maker" (maybe "Over the Hills..."?) when I made that offhand comparison re "Two Princes." Love the thread idea though.

Sundar, Saturday, 5 January 2008 07:09 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i went looking for dyer maker and got distracted by the crunge. but dyer maker is awesome. he's the god of this stuff for real. i saw a set of his drums the rr hall of fame, and it was amazing how tiny they looked, just this compact set. i was trying to imagine his kick coming out of that drum.

this dyer maker video is sort of cool. with bonus debate in the comments about whether it's better than sean kingston's version.

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 07:20 (twelve years ago) link

stones funk era was good. charlie watts can lay way far back in the groove, this stuff was made for him.

although he was pretty funky all along.

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 07:27 (twelve years ago) link

steve gadd is a funk-rock genius. my mom taught his kid one year, kid was a great drummer too.

(that lick dissected.)

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 07:32 (twelve years ago) link

and of course jaki liebezeit

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 08:24 (twelve years ago) link

and mani

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 08:31 (twelve years ago) link

(oops, reni. sorry reni. i always get those two crossed.)

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 08:33 (twelve years ago) link

(mani and reni should've just gone freelance. could've been the sly and robbie of the era.)

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 08:34 (twelve years ago) link

sort of goes without saying, i guess, but.

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 17:56 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNzilDmPpCg

Hope I did that right...

ellaguru, Saturday, 5 January 2008 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

Isnt that just funk drumming? this reminds me of the stella episode where they argue about listening to FUNK rock or funk ROCK

filthy dylan, Saturday, 5 January 2008 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i mean, the meters and all that southern funk is definitely the roots of this -- and completely great -- but i'm thinking more of the ways it was adopted by rock bands and really formed a foundation of a lot of '70s rock (and '80s, to a lesser extent). it's so obvious when you turn on a classic rock station, how much boogie there is in those rhythms.

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

and then by the '90s it mostly becomes the province of the jam band universe (although for the most part not to great effect).

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 20:34 (twelve years ago) link

this reminds me of the stella episode where they argue about listening to FUNK rock or funk ROCK

haha, i just saw this for the first time

Jordan, Saturday, 5 January 2008 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

(also in the '90s obviously the rap-rock universe, not my favorite but clearly a derivative)

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 21:23 (twelve years ago) link

Tommy Roe - Dizzy

http://youtube.com/watch?v=v7naDUGne9A

Black Oak Arkansas - Hot and Nasty

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SGAPhLK8qdk&feature=related

Guns N Roses - Mr. Brownstone

http://youtube.com/watch?v=c9O82ydYL_c

Rick Derringer - Rock and Roll Hootchie Koo

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oJd-ROdcW90

John Cougar Mellencamp - Rain On The Scarecrow

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d9Iy2Jw4DVk&feature=related

Deep Purple - Hush

http://youtube.com/watch?v=L58M88CweFg

Spencer Davis Group - I'm a Man

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NnywnNFdAv0

Thin Lizzy - Johnny the Fox

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pzY8nE6Y5jA

Billy Squier - The Big Beat

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TcQYgrm6Vv0

Aerosmith - Lord of the Thighs

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yOIAl1vS-WA

Steve Miller Band - Take the Money and Run

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fFGZufk4HFs

Bob Seger and the Last Heard - Heavy Music

http://youtube.com/watch?v=u0jPgkipDd8

Anyway, I don't want to get into a "white funk" vs. "funk" argument; these songs are just funky, period. I don't know that early hip-hip DJs made a distinction when they samped some of them, either.

xhuxk, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:10 (twelve years ago) link

excellent.
yeah i mean no second-class status by funk-rock vs. funk, they're both funky. but they're also distinct -- played mostly on different radio stations, to mostly different audiences.

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:26 (twelve years ago) link

glad to see aronoff there. i was looking for "justice and independence '85" but couldn't find a version of it online. "scarecrow" is hot too.

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:31 (twelve years ago) link

(Or okay, "funk rock"! Nobody said "white"; sorry. And yes, they do all rock. My mistake. So do these.)

AC/DC - Baby Please Don't Go

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1VlRUIHwygc&feature=related

Humble Pie - 30 Days In the Hole

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nRwn9ns4UPU&feature=related

Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels - Jenny Take a Ride

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rfrGV4DhSng

J. Geils Band - Flamethrower

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ehCnhSK4aU8

Electrifying Mojo didn't single out "Flamethrower" as "white funk" either, I don't think. And neither did this guy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nnj4YcjqlpU

Queen - Dragon Attack

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FngOL0njL2A

John Parr - Naughty Naughty

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gr8g1kdx_Bk

Foreigner - Urgent

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TzXRn-r-ky8

Ray Parker Jr - The Other Woman

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RA-4F6l-jr4

Kool and the Gang - Misled

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NeiLBET8Cdk

Shalamar - Dead Giveaway

http://youtube.com/watch?v=J6cMA79Ev24

Phil Collins & Philip Bailey - Easy Lover

http://youtube.com/watch?v=npoGEM1BbrY

xhuxk, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:32 (twelve years ago) link

Fleetwood Mac - Oh Well

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KE4HGlmtOcg

Couldn't find the Rockets version, which rocks even harder and funkier; oh well. (There is a version by forgotten Detroit AOR hacks the Look playing tribute to the Rockets in '03 though -- they're pretty good!)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=g71-4F3X8Ik

xhuxk, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

Nazareth - Hair of the Dog

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jEG0-3xlAkg

xhuxk, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:44 (twelve years ago) link

skynyrd was funky.

and the allmans.

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

RATM and the Gang of Four wish they were this funky:

REO Speedwagon - Golden Country

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cjqjZsw66DE

Grand Funk - People Let's Stop The War

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cqEztTsAlMg

xhuxk, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:50 (twelve years ago) link

Charlie Daniels Band - Legend of Wooley Swamp

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ES3P02NXX9E

Dr. John - Right Place Wrong Time

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ct4sVVqeoUE

Tina Turner - Life In the Fast Lane

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cnkVBnHMwpo

xhuxk, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:54 (twelve years ago) link

haven't listened to "golden country" in years. great song.

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:56 (twelve years ago) link

fool in the rain

(i like this thread)

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

and of course levon. hugely influential i think.

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

glad to see aronoff there.
Maybe this thread will finally get some action: TS Kenny Aaronson vs. Kenny Aronoff

James Redd and the Blecchs, Saturday, 5 January 2008 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

lil feat

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 23:13 (twelve years ago) link

Jerry Reed - Amos Moses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7GyLr7Cz2g

xhuxk, Sunday, 6 January 2008 00:03 (twelve years ago) link

Black Sabbath - Supernaut

http://youtube.com/watch?v=44hNwWCKgpI

ZZ Top - I Thank You

http://youtube.com/watch?v=02SJxuoCi5k

Montgomery Gentry - Just Got Paid

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0FL_2EjodWY

xhuxk, Sunday, 6 January 2008 00:17 (twelve years ago) link

Babe Ruth - The Mexican

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RMzhaCCG1So

Babe Ruth - Wells Fargo

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pkrQigba_Q0&feature=related

xhuxk, Sunday, 6 January 2008 00:22 (twelve years ago) link

Mothers Finest

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FMlA-IdLD-I

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qDsS_WQvjnY

xhuxk, Sunday, 6 January 2008 00:31 (twelve years ago) link

And yeah I know, I'm getting away from drumming per se' in some of these, but what the hell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96HqPpjI3UY

xhuxk, Sunday, 6 January 2008 00:38 (twelve years ago) link

Sabbath's 'Supernaut' is fucking fantastically funky isn't it...although as much down to the bass as the drums.

Mister Craig, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:21 (twelve years ago) link

Bachman Turner Overdrive

http://youtube.com/watch?v=edUrrWoyJlc

Herman Brood (= who Greg Dulli wishes he was maybe)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XdCFq0UA0QY

The Police, "Voices Inside My Head"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=f9yXRITQkcY

xhuxk, Sunday, 6 January 2008 02:49 (twelve years ago) link

And yeah I know, I'm getting away from drumming per se' in some of these

yeah grooves are way more than drums, i'm just drum-oriented. and in a lot of these even if the beats aren't flashy, they have funk even in just the way they roll into the 2 and 4.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 6 January 2008 03:03 (twelve years ago) link

or even just those hi-hat 16ths in "supernaut."

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 6 January 2008 03:08 (twelve years ago) link

happy mondays were mentioned on that other thread, deservedly. bad-news funk.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 6 January 2008 03:13 (twelve years ago) link

the doobies

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 6 January 2008 03:20 (twelve years ago) link

more on the fusion end of things, but traffic had lots of good drumming.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 6 January 2008 03:31 (twelve years ago) link

a few others

Boz Scaggs Lowdown

Little Feat Rock n Roll Doctor

Van Morrison Domino

The Pretenders Louie Louie

that's not my post, Sunday, 6 January 2008 04:28 (twelve years ago) link

and loverboy! i guess turn me loose is more disco than funk, but in the ballpark.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 6 January 2008 04:35 (twelve years ago) link

and the original joe jackson band was hot, david houghton and graham maby. did david houghton do anything else? i can't find any sign of him post-jackson.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 6 January 2008 04:58 (twelve years ago) link

Sir Douglas Quintet Nuevo Laredo

Eric Burdon and War Spill the Wine

that's not my post, Sunday, 6 January 2008 05:07 (twelve years ago) link

^^^^hell yeah.

train in vain

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 6 January 2008 05:10 (twelve years ago) link

those mother's finest clips are great. i just went and bought 2 albums.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 6 January 2008 05:21 (twelve years ago) link

ditto babe ruth, but i can only buy so many albums a night.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 6 January 2008 05:24 (twelve years ago) link

stan lynch is an understated guy

breakdown
here comes my girl
you got lucky

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 6 January 2008 05:45 (twelve years ago) link

oops messed up the here comes my girl link

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 6 January 2008 05:47 (twelve years ago) link

and the original joe jackson band was hot OTM

more from the mid 70s -- got the makings of a great K-Tel record

Climax Blues Band Couldn't Get It Right

Head East Never Been Any Reason

Golden Earing Radar Love

that's not my post, Sunday, 6 January 2008 05:51 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, head east especially.

meanwhile i can't decide how the neu/motorik thing fits in. it's sort of funky and anti-funky at the same time. the flatness works against funkiness, but it has an elliptical thing going on -- the measures are sort of elongated and loping. not actually funky i guess, but i like that drumming too. probably deserves its own thread.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 6 January 2008 05:58 (twelve years ago) link

my high school marching band played 25 or 6 to 4. i guess lots of marching bands do.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 6 January 2008 06:04 (twelve years ago) link

P.Funk, "Red Hot Mama" 1977 (not sure who drummer is here)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzEJvHE_rEg

Tony Williams 1972 (technically "latin jazz" but rocks pretty hard)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxyiNopn08w

Living Colour "Cult of Personality," drummer Will Calhoun (1988) -- "Type" would almost also work but was way too corny for me to link to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ5SVDYBNrY

X, "True Love," drummer D.J. Bonebrake (1983)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ5SVDYBNrY

Dimension 5ive, Sunday, 6 January 2008 07:28 (twelve years ago) link

Molotov, "Amateur," drummer Randy Ebright (2004)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyHCMWTG0Ig

Los Amigos Invisibles, "Cuchi Cuchi," drummer Juan Manuel Rora (2007)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as0kIIS-FjY

Dimension 5ive, Sunday, 6 January 2008 07:47 (twelve years ago) link

tony williams = genius

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 6 January 2008 08:33 (twelve years ago) link

Living Colour "Cult of Personality," drummer Will Calhoun (1988) -- "Type" would almost also work but was way too corny for me to link to

"type" is great. "we are the children of concrete and steel/this is the place where the truth is concealed" -- epic.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 6 January 2008 08:44 (twelve years ago) link

"stereotype" / "blood type" / "are you my type?" ugh so unfortunate. but yeah calhoun, what a drummer

Dimension 5ive, Sunday, 6 January 2008 14:16 (twelve years ago) link

did someone already post this? god they were friggin' killer live:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vo5svnNHer4

scott seward, Sunday, 6 January 2008 14:38 (twelve years ago) link

Los Fabulosos Cadillacs, "El Matador"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fPNX9BL5v1w

Teena Marie, "Lips To Find You"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QDFXskispJE

Jimmy Castor Bunch

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VlRXQEA0yj0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=182kaAEScUU

xhuxk, Sunday, 6 January 2008 15:59 (twelve years ago) link

Precious Metal, "Mr. Big Stuff"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rHMknB1Mgss

Girlschool, "Tush"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8rYMLfq1tMg

Dan Reed Network, "Ritual"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=isZxL_uh3pw

xhuxk, Sunday, 6 January 2008 16:09 (twelve years ago) link

Joan and the Blackhearts cover Sly and the Family Stone

http://youtube.com/watch?v=t75jGfIW1Rk

Brownsville Station

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SxBbmoUdEac

xhuxk, Sunday, 6 January 2008 16:35 (twelve years ago) link

Some Buddy Miles for Sunday morning

Down By The River

Texas

that's not my post, Sunday, 6 January 2008 17:35 (twelve years ago) link

Two Princes and Big Me by foo fighters are the only songs on my ipod. I've been playing them over and over for 5 years now.

CaptainLorax, Sunday, 6 January 2008 21:55 (twelve years ago) link

funk-rock on broadway

hair
heaven on their minds
you're the one that i want

tipsy mothra, Monday, 7 January 2008 08:47 (twelve years ago) link

My favorite STP. short and sweet and to the point. I dedicate this to all the ladies out there.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eGVobPA6b4Q

Confounded, Thursday, 10 January 2008 05:58 (twelve years ago) link

got those mother's finest albums, they're great! can't believe i never heard them. were they more popular in the south? they were never on yankee-rock radio that i remember. (maybe consigned to the funk stations?) the long vamp on "give you all the love" sounds a lot like "darling nikki."

speaking of which i guess darling nikki should be on this thread.

tipsy mothra, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:49 (twelve years ago) link

"Brownsville Station

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SxBbmoUdEac";

As great as Brownsville Station were, I don't hear a funk element in these two songs.

Rev. Hoodoo, Friday, 18 January 2008 22:05 (twelve years ago) link

they call me HOT N NASTY

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 January 2008 22:14 (twelve years ago) link

As great as Brownsville Station were, I don't hear a funk element in these two songs.

I agree with you re "Smokin In the Boys Room"; respectfully disagree re "Barefootin," which sounds plenty funky, I'd say.

xhuxk, Friday, 18 January 2008 22:24 (twelve years ago) link


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