Faith No More: Angel Dust v. The Real Thing

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I love both...The Real Thing is full of pop goodness ("Falling to Pieces") and even some thrashy metal ("Surprise, You're Dead!")...

Angel Dust is such a different beast. Despite its weirdness it always has this depressive vibe to me (then again, I bought it the week I started taking anti-depressants for the first time so it might bethat instead).

But I vote Angel Dust on the strength of "Everything's Ruined", "Land of Sunshine", "Caffeine", "Kindergarten", and "RV"....

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 4 January 2008 00:18 (eleven years ago) link

this isn't even a contest

chaki, Friday, 4 January 2008 00:26 (eleven years ago) link

....but you didn't tell me who you voted for. The suspense is molesting me!

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 4 January 2008 00:26 (eleven years ago) link

Angel Dust isn't only their best album but one of the best ever made.

nickalicious, Friday, 4 January 2008 00:31 (eleven years ago) link

Angel Dust

Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 4 January 2008 00:31 (eleven years ago) link

This should have just been a qustion in ask chaki!

Cosmo Vitelli, Friday, 4 January 2008 00:44 (eleven years ago) link

I never got the hang of Angel Dust. When I first bought it, I took it back to the store because I thought the cassette was warped (it was actually keyboards in the background). RV and Be Aggressive had too much of a novelty flavor. I don't really like Crack Hitler or Jizzlobber. There are some great, great songs to be sure: Land of Sunshine, Smaller and Smaller, Everything's Ruined, Small Victory ... but they don't really make up for the ones I don't like.

The Real Thing also contains some songs I don't dig on; Falling to Pieces is way up on that list. It has the distinct advantage however, of containing one of my favorite fifty-percents of an album this side of Abbey Road. Starting with the title track and moving on through Underwater Love, The Morning After, Woodpecker From Mars and War Pigs. I go pretty nuts whenever I hear this. I'm going to go listen to it now.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 4 January 2008 00:49 (eleven years ago) link

The only thing I'll say about the matter is that buying Angel Dust remains the first and only time in which a record store clerk refused to sell an album to a minor.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 4 January 2008 00:51 (eleven years ago) link

haven't heard AD in ages but it's the only album I've ever bought 3 times: on tape, then on CD when the tape broke, then eventually a third nostalgic copy when the other CD burned in a fire that consumed 50 of my discs. I don't think I ever listened that third copy.

Cosmo Vitelli, Friday, 4 January 2008 00:56 (eleven years ago) link

Yes! The ecstacy! You can pray! You! Will never let! It Slip away!

kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 4 January 2008 00:57 (eleven years ago) link

That part just kills me. Whew!

kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 4 January 2008 00:58 (eleven years ago) link

how about King for a Day? I liked thatone too.

Album of the Year was oddly the first FNM I heard all the way through and outside of Collision, Ashes to Ashes, and STripsearch, it's pretty boring.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 4 January 2008 01:01 (eleven years ago) link

I think Introduce Yourself is pretty fierce.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 4 January 2008 01:09 (eleven years ago) link

nobody cares a lot about that 'other' FNM

Cosmo Vitelli, Friday, 4 January 2008 01:13 (eleven years ago) link

Album of the Year was oddly the first FNM I heard all the way through and outside of Collision, Ashes to Ashes, and STripsearch, it's pretty boring.

man, Last Cup of Sorrow killed me. still love that song.

rockapads, Friday, 4 January 2008 01:25 (eleven years ago) link

oh and definitely angel dust. no contest here. it was their houses of the holy.

rockapads, Friday, 4 January 2008 01:25 (eleven years ago) link

yea I liked Last Cup of Sorrow...

"this...is getting old and so will you".

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 4 January 2008 01:28 (eleven years ago) link

Angel Dust is a phenomenal piece of art that I don't listen to that much for the same reason I don't listen to a lot of other great albums that much, which is that I don't want to wear it out for me. I pull out The Real Thing more often, since that's their great pop record (although I'm more partial to the first half). I am going to have to say Angel Dust, though.

Jeff Treppel, Friday, 4 January 2008 01:56 (eleven years ago) link

Angel Dust is a terrific record, The Real Thing merely a fun one. I think Album of the Year is actually pretty enjoyable the whole way through, but realise I am in a minority.

chap, Friday, 4 January 2008 03:22 (eleven years ago) link

Album of the Year is rad.

chaki, Friday, 4 January 2008 03:32 (eleven years ago) link

three years pass...

Listened to Angel Dust for the first time in years today and its a really great album.

my opinionation (Hamildan), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:46 (eight years ago) link

yes

american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:50 (eight years ago) link

Can't be overstated. Perfect marriage of weirdness and pop catchiness.

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:15 (eight years ago) link

nine months pass...

I will never tire of Angel Dust.

http://youtu.be/Gx34APCro-U

sam500, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 07:35 (seven years ago) link

The Real Thing also contains some songs I don't dig on; Falling to Pieces is way up on that list. It has the distinct advantage however, of containing one of my favorite fifty-percents of an album this side of Abbey Road. Starting with the title track and moving on through Underwater Love, The Morning After, Woodpecker From Mars and War Pigs. I go pretty nuts whenever I hear this. I'm going to go listen to it now.

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, January 3, 2008 7:49 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Been so long since I've listened to this. Do people around here even recognize the greatness of the song The Real Thing?

beachville, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 09:49 (seven years ago) link

I listen to Angel Dust all the time, still, and have for so many years. just a stone cold classic. Real Thing is great too, particularly Falling to Pieces. But I never warmed to any of the later albums.

akm, Thursday, 1 March 2012 00:29 (seven years ago) link

The rare random band my wife and I equally love. And by "band" I mean these two records. Equally.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 March 2012 00:47 (seven years ago) link

I don't remember ever starting this thread.

Angel Dust still my fav. Still love The Real Thing.

"Land of Sunshine" is such a perfect album opener.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 1 March 2012 01:43 (seven years ago) link

Been so long since I've listened to this. Do people around here even recognize the greatness of the song The Real Thing?

― beachville, Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:49 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark

probably my fav track on the album actually

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 1 March 2012 01:44 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, The Real Thing is fabulous. Angel Dust is my favourite. King For A Day, Fool For A Lifetime, with a bit of editing, could have been up there too.

Turrican, Thursday, 1 March 2012 12:31 (seven years ago) link

this is a tough one because angel dust was v challenging for me as a middle school student and did a lot to broaden my musical mind

but on balance i think real thing kills it, there is not a bad track on there whereas it is easy for me to pick out flaws in individual angel dust tracks

the late great, Thursday, 1 March 2012 15:36 (seven years ago) link

angel dust has aged a lot better. i'll still rock out to the real thing but i don't know how i'd feel about it if i heard it for the first time now.

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 1 March 2012 15:54 (seven years ago) link

angel dust, no question. much more ambitious and largely successful.

patton still has that super-nasal thing going on the real thing too. was never too into that.

original bgm, Thursday, 1 March 2012 15:56 (seven years ago) link

that's how i feel about the cookie monster voice songs on angel dust

the late great, Thursday, 1 March 2012 19:20 (seven years ago) link

I think "Angel Dust" may be "better" and more "ambitious," but I would be lying if I claimed I actually liked it more for those reasons. My honest response remains that I like both equally.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 March 2012 20:20 (seven years ago) link

five years pass...

if there is one song that tips Angel Dust over the edge to me, it's "Kindergarten". jesus christ that song. the moods, the keyboards, the chorus, the staccato vocals.

i could listen to that shit on loop forever. and the guitar harmonies at the end is like...climax

the "Held back again" vocals always give me chills.....

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 01:51 (two years ago) link

this album I bought when I was 19 when I had started antidepressants for the first time and that combined with the sometimes depressive vibe the album gives off used to just fuck with my mood. once I got past that personal baggage this thing just wouldn't leave my player

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 01:54 (two years ago) link

Yeah, this was one of a handful of albums (alongside Badmotorfinger, Dirt, Psalm 69, the first Mr. Bungle, etc.) that were way too good at feeding my fourteen-year-old depressive moods and that I listened to way too much and that I've just in the last few years started learning how to approach without those associations.

(Got A) Key In My Peehole (From Peeing Through a Keyhole) (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 02:50 (two years ago) link

listening to badmotorfinger is like being beaten with a sack of very tired led zeppelins

“Remember,” he says, “Noddy Holder is a gangster.” (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 02:53 (two years ago) link

Tomahawk's first record is the perfect encapsulation of what Faith No More ended with, I don't think Patton's done another record quite like it. Love "Angel Dust" particularly " Jizzlobber".

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 08:24 (two years ago) link

I think Tomahawk's most recent album is very good, the most stripped-down and straightforward thing Patton's done for a decade plus.

chap, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 09:55 (two years ago) link

Damn, forgot all about "Oddfellows". That is a great record!

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 17:41 (two years ago) link

King for a Day secretly has it over both of these records imo

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 17:45 (two years ago) link

I've tried so many times in the years since that album came out, but I'm still not hearing it. So I guess it's just a really, really well kept secret.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 17:58 (two years ago) link

last time i listened to king for a day i realized it must've singlehandedly invented incubus

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 18:19 (two years ago) link

I'm with JiC on this one

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 18:20 (two years ago) link

King for a Day is great but the benefits of having Spruance are also a hindrance in that he brings more of the genre-splicing of Bungle into the mix. Which isn't bad, but "Star AD" and "Evidence", while I love both, are kinda kitschy in a way that Angel Dust isn't.

There aren't really even any songs I dislike from it, but I enjoy the highs of Angel Dust more.

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 18:34 (two years ago) link

(though there is "Midnight Cowboy" and "RV", so.....)

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 18:35 (two years ago) link

King for a Day secretly has it over both of these records imo

― Whiney G. Weingarten

The issue with KotD is that it crosses over into simple genre parody too often, which is less interesting no matter how well done those parodies might be. On Angel Dust it's more like each individual song combines several genres to create something original. The more enduring songs on King for me are the ones that attempt that, such as the title track, Ricochet and Last to Know. Something like Evidence is fun and very listenable, but not as exciting as their more experimental hybrid tracks.

chap, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 19:25 (two years ago) link

*KfaD, I think I'm getting it mixed up with Match of the Day.

chap, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 19:30 (two years ago) link

I also love RV!

chap, Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:22 (three weeks ago) link

I do too! But that song benefits from being a sorbet after three high energy tunes to begin AD.

If all i get is sorbet i get sick.

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:24 (three weeks ago) link

ILX ate my previous attempt at saying as much but: I have yet to really check out any of the 21st Century comeback albums from the bands I dug in my teens. Feels like I'd be courting disappointment. I think I heard one song from Sol Invictus and it was fine but not exactly a rousing endorsement to go all-in.

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:30 (three weeks ago) link

Separation Anxiety, Cone of Shame and Matador are the good tracks as far as I remember.

chap, Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:39 (three weeks ago) link

I suppose what's missing in the post-Angel Dust output are those catchy Bottum piano lines. From then on he went mostly for the atmosphere? And I'm not sure it was down to the band going in a different, more Patton-controlled direction.

Roddy was on heroin for a fair amount of this time.

The biography Small Victories, released last year, is a decent read for those interested.

Vernon Locke, Thursday, 21 November 2019 22:51 (three weeks ago) link

Is being on heroin known to make one compose catchier piano lines?

chap, Friday, 22 November 2019 08:14 (three weeks ago) link

Shoulda heard Brad Nowell's unfinished etudes

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Friday, 22 November 2019 12:07 (three weeks ago) link

xp: Vernon was explaining that's why he has fewer contributions.

Thanks for the book recommendation!

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 22 November 2019 12:46 (three weeks ago) link

Is being on heroin known to make one compose catchier piano lines?

The evidence (Bill Evans, Brad Mehldau) would suggest the opposite. Though Sonny Clark was pretty great.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 22 November 2019 17:57 (three weeks ago) link

Man, Evidence is so good. They were really good at that 'late night search for a car' laidback funk rnb vibe (Stripsearch too)

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Friday, 22 November 2019 18:21 (three weeks ago) link

"I had no idea Courtney Love was the singer in FNM for a little while" . so was Paula Frazer from Tarnation, for one show. There's a fairly poor sounding recording of it floating around. She told me she thought it was awful but I think it's pretty good, sounds like Siouxsie.

akm, Saturday, 23 November 2019 15:42 (three weeks ago) link

I don't think Sol Invictus is any worse than any of the other post Angel Dust albums. None of them do much for me. Angel Dust was epochal for me but then my tastes went elsewhere.

akm, Saturday, 23 November 2019 15:44 (three weeks ago) link

Vernon was explaining that's why he has fewer contributions.

yeah, exactly. apols for the lack of clarity, must be the heroin.

In other news,

psssst... pic.twitter.com/yKxiM2913S

— Faith No More (@FaithNoMore) November 23, 2019

Vernon Locke, Saturday, 23 November 2019 22:26 (three weeks ago) link

They were great on that little tour they did behind the last album.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 23 November 2019 23:34 (three weeks ago) link

I missed it because I was out of town so I certainly hope to catch them again. I haven't seen them since the Angel Dust tour and that was a fucking show.

akm, Sunday, 24 November 2019 21:41 (two weeks ago) link

Christ, I've never seen them. Maybe this will be the year!

☮ (peace, man), Monday, 25 November 2019 13:04 (two weeks ago) link

they were fun. threw Boz Scagg's "Lowdown" into the middle of "Midlife Crisis", did pretty much all of my favorite songs...except "Land of Sunshine", sadly.

Patton ended the show by simulating giving a blow job to the microphone for the last minute then just walked offstage.

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 November 2019 13:06 (two weeks ago) link

The biography Small Victories, released last year, is a decent read for those interested.

Yeah, I'm definitely interested. Thanks for the heads up!

I remember reading somewhere back in the day that there was a rift between Martin and Bottum which ended up hurting them both, with Martin leaving and Bottum getting sidelined. But I can't remember hearing about that again so I'm not sure there was any truth to it.

cpl593H, Monday, 25 November 2019 13:31 (two weeks ago) link

Weird to see so many FNM fans on here given the relative dearth of Mr Bungle threads on ILM! I recently revisited the s/t and DV and both hold up pretty well (though parts of s/t have definitely aged pretty poorly)

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 25 November 2019 14:37 (two weeks ago) link

I've never gotten into Mr. Bungle, despite loving Faith No More and Zorn/Naked City. I just don't like Bungle's players that much.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 November 2019 14:49 (two weeks ago) link

Patton ended the show by simulating giving a blow job to the microphone for the last minute then just walked offstage.

The ultimate Mike Patton story is the one about the Farriss brothers from INXS ringing him to ask if he wanted to be their frontman for their upcoming tour. He replied that he would do it on one condition . . . that he be allowed to re-enact Hutchence's death on stage every night.

As for FNM themselves, listened to them a fair bit back in the day (early 1990s) because I had a friend at the time who was hugely into them, but I'd imagine a lot of it hasn't dated too well.

does it look like i'm here (jon123), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:26 (two weeks ago) link

but I'd imagine a lot of it hasn't dated too well

IDK. Every now and then I go back to the hits and I find it surprising how well they hold up. That combination of erasure + funk metal should be a train wreck but the way they embrace every hook that's available is really overwhelming. Really, they overwhelm you with hooks.

cpl593H, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:44 (two weeks ago) link

I've never gotten into Mr. Bungle, despite loving Faith No More and Zorn/Naked City. I just don't like Bungle's players that much.

You've listened to California right? Far and away their most cohesive (and least frenetic) album. One of my two fave Patton records, along with Angel Dust.

chap, Monday, 25 November 2019 16:44 (two weeks ago) link

I saw them live in September of 1992 (with Helmet opening) and they were great - I remember them playing Europe's "The The Final Countdown" as they came on stage and all ran around doing calisthenics and my cousin fulfilled his dream of crowd surfing while they played "RV".

I've listened to KFAD and AOTY again for the first time in ages and they still don't do much for me - not terrible or anything, they just feel lackluster compared to the previous two and are kind of boring. It turns out I really like Jim Martin's big dumb riffs and that feels absent in both of these which feel more generic-metally to me, or sound more like Mr. Bungle in a way that I didn't want from my FNM records.

joygoat, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:09 (two weeks ago) link

xpost I haven't listened to California since it came out, and I saw them on that tour. I remember it being kind of lounge music? Sort of more the direction of some of other Mike Patton's other projects. That is to say, I don't remember much of a metal or noise aspect to it.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:10 (two weeks ago) link

California is fucking fantastic. it has "Retrovertigo", which is a weird power ballad. "Sweet Charity" does have kind of a seaside feel, but it's a great song.

there are definitely heavy moments on it. it's just less experimental than Disco Volante, but that's a relative statement. it was one of my favorite albums of that year.

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:13 (two weeks ago) link

To say it has a loungy feel is fair, but the dark weirdness is still there, albeit more subtly than on previous albums. Kind of a Blue Velvet vibe.

chap, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:27 (two weeks ago) link

I just don't remember it at all, any more than I remember Lovage or Tomahawk (both of whom I saw live as well). However, I did like Fantomas, that scratched the weird metal itch for me.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:50 (two weeks ago) link

Be interesting to hear your reaction if you do decide to listen to it again.

chap, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:56 (two weeks ago) link

Listening to it now, and enjoying!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 November 2019 18:05 (two weeks ago) link

Didn't the KDAF era have a song called 'I Wanna Fuck Myself'?

this was a GG Allin cover version, and a good one at that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3vx8u7k6Rc

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Monday, 25 November 2019 18:16 (two weeks ago) link

Speaking of Patton and (intentional) assholery, per the INXS anecdote (whether or not it is real). I remember hearing about them having a miserable time opening for GNR in Europe, culminating (supposedly) with Patton taking a shit into Axl's stage shoes or something.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 November 2019 18:18 (two weeks ago) link

(LOL it was supposedly not his stage shoes but into his orange juice carton! And the FNM camp has denied it, so oh well.)

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 November 2019 18:19 (two weeks ago) link

Though I did find this catalog of him pooping and peeing on or in everything. True or not, esp. from a famed bullshitter, it's certainly ... gross.

http://www.faithnomorefollowers.com/2017/02/diary-of-shit-terrorist.html

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 November 2019 18:27 (two weeks ago) link

I fell into some sort of wikipedia worm hole and didn't know that three members of the band were a third - Preston Lea Spruance III, Roswell Christopher Bottum III, and Charles Henry Mosley III.

joygoat, Monday, 25 November 2019 18:45 (two weeks ago) link

I guess that's why they called him Tre

☮ (peace, man), Monday, 25 November 2019 18:49 (two weeks ago) link

I've never gotten into Mr. Bungle, despite loving Faith No More and Zorn/Naked City. I just don't like Bungle's players that much.

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, November 25, 2019 9:49 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Ah, see I'm something of a Trevor Dunn superfan, so it's the opposite for me (I really like Spruance too)

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 25 November 2019 23:12 (two weeks ago) link

I still can't believe Jim Martin was in Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 00:04 (two weeks ago) link

Station!

☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 00:24 (two weeks ago) link

The ultimate Mike Patton story is the one about the Farriss brothers from INXS ringing him to ask if he wanted to be their frontman for their upcoming tour. He replied that he would do it on one condition . . . that he be allowed to re-enact Hutchence's death on stage every night.

― does it look like i'm here (jon123)

i feel like patton was just really into autoerotic asphyxiation

he also wrote that song "dead goon" for the first mr. bungle album

the only song from "angel dust" i have still in my library is "malpractice", i don't know if anybody ever talks about it but i listened to the whole album at some point between 2009 and 2016 and that song stood out as the highlight

Agnes Motörhead (rushomancy), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 01:14 (two weeks ago) link

Speaking of Patton and (intentional) assholery, per the INXS anecdote (whether or not it is real). I remember hearing about them having a miserable time opening for GNR in Europe, culminating (supposedly) with Patton taking a shit into Axl's stage shoes or something.

Patton's big thing back then was what he referred to as "shit terrorism". Find a hairdryer in someone's hotel room, take a dump in it, screw the front back on, then carnage would ensue the next time somebody switched the hairdryer on.

A very odd man.

does it look like i'm here (jon123), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 14:18 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, I became much less enamored of him as a personality the more stories like this I heard.

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 14:34 (two weeks ago) link

I posted a link to a full catalog of his tall tales. which may in fact be just that, bullshit.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 14:48 (two weeks ago) link

It can't be a coincidence that the bands he is always accused of feuding with, like guns n' roses or the red hot chili peppers, seem like the biggest assholes of all time.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 14:49 (two weeks ago) link

Has to be full of it cos most of those would be arrestable offenses

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 16:02 (two weeks ago) link

Good point, rock bands would never do anything illegal on the road.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 16:15 (two weeks ago) link

Difference between "trashing a hotel room" and "giving someone an e coli infection".

Dave Matthews hasn't recovered from dumping shit and piss on innocent bystanders

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 16:46 (two weeks ago) link

And then there was the Chicago River Incident

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 16:46 (two weeks ago) link

Replacements used to put a dead fish in hotel ice dispensers, iirc. And God knows where they peed.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 16:59 (two weeks ago) link

Speaking words of wisdom....

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 17:00 (two weeks ago) link


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