Exile in Guyville, the poll

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Liz thinks "Sex & Candy" was the best song of the '90s.

Poll Results

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"Fuck and Run" – 3:07 13
"Divorce Song" – 3:20 13
"Stratford-On-Guy" – 2:59 6
"6'1"" – 3:05 3
"Mesmerizing" – 3:55 3
"Glory" – 1:29 2
"Never Said" – 3:16 2
"Shatter" – 5:28 2
"Help Me Mary" – 2:16 1
"Johnny Sunshine" – 3:27 1
" Flower" – 2:03 1
"Soap Star Joe" – 2:44 1
"Girls! Girls! Girls!" – 2:20 1
"Explain It to Me" – 3:11 1
"Strange Loop" – 3:561
"Dance of the Seven Veils" – 2:29 0
"Canary" – 3:19 0
"Gunshy" – 3:15 0


milo z, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 23:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

stratford-on-guy, easy

electricsound, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 23:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

Ridiculously tough to pick once it's narrowed down to my favorites, the hooky midtempo rock n rollers:

"6'1"" – 3:05
"Help Me Mary" – 2:16
"Soap Star Joe" – 2:44
"Fuck and Run" – 3:07
"Divorce Song" – 3:20

"Divorce Song" and "Fuck and Run" have moved me to tears, whereas the others just kick ass. "Divorce Song" then, for not having even the appearance of leaning on shock value.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 23:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

yeah "divorce song". probably her best-ever lyric.

tipsy mothra, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 23:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

Mesmerizing.

SeekAltRoute, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 23:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

Never Said

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 00:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

An unbreakable 3-way tie for first between 6'1", Fuck and Run, and Divorce Song, so I voted Shatter, which has some serious sentimental value for me.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 00:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

Couldn't choose between Fuck and Run and Divorce Song, picked Fuck and Run for the totally WTF lyric "even when I was 12..." WHAT, Liz??

Love Soap Star Joe, too.

Man what a great album

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 05:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

"divorce song," easy. because what tipsy said, and that's saying something b/c she's got some good ones. also bonus points to ILM for no one yet even mentioning oh-so-quotable song that put her on so many maps way back when.

Hon. mention to the rockers: 6'1", Help Me Mary, Mesmerizing...

rogermexico., Wednesday, 2 January 2008 06:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

Shatter is so good.

sleeve, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 07:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

'Divorce Song' - 'cause it's helping me through mine today. My kid sis recalls fondly about how when this record came out, (93?), I sent it to her explaining that this was the best I could do to explain tough male/female relationships - me being the brother that couldn't see her through her high school years, being that there was a 9 yr difference between us.

BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 13:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Divorce Song" makes me feel like a disgusting pit. So I voted for it.

kiss out the jams, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 18:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

i don't know this is so hard. i really kind of came around to johnny sunshine in a HUGE way. i might have to go for it.

Surmounter, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 18:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

Wow, I chose Divorce Song as well, with Dance of the Seven Veils and 6'1" in a close race. 6'1" is special to me because that's my height and it reminds me to own it ;)

Finefinemusic, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 20:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Monday, 7 January 2008 00:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

one of my favorite albums of all time. voted "fuck and run" because, like the rest of the album, it's poignant, funny and it totally rocks. tough one, though, because i love at least five other songs just as much, esp. "dance of the seven veils" and "divorce song."

Emily Bjurnhjam, Monday, 7 January 2008 00:15 (ten years ago) Permalink

Great, great, great album. I remember buying it on tape many years ago. I always used to gravitate to side 2 but but the whole thing is fantastic. As previous posters have stated, there are at least 5 other tacks on here that could get the vote. But I'm going to go for Shatter because I love the sound of that guitar.

sam500, Monday, 7 January 2008 00:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

6'1" coz of the swagger

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Monday, 7 January 2008 01:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

She did a mini set on KCRW sometime between "Exile" and "Whip Smart" where she played 3 songs that I don't think ever ended up on albums, and they were just amazing. I used to have a cassette of them that I taped off the radio. "Rise," "Wasted," and "Hurricane Cindy" (the last one she actually ended up recording for a b-side late in her career, but the lyrics were totally different and it was much less creepy). I miss that tape. It had cringey Chris Douridas drooling banter between the tunes.

Savannah Smiles, Monday, 7 January 2008 10:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

okay i did it. johnny sunshine it is.

Surmounter, Monday, 7 January 2008 16:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

Voted for "Explain It To Me" in the end. Love the electric strumming and weird electronic swirls.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 7 January 2008 16:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

I honestly cannot remember the last time I played this, but I'd probably cite "Fuck And Run".

Alex in NYC, Monday, 7 January 2008 17:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

I couldn't remember the last time I listened to it either, but this poll reminded me to pull it off the shelf/throw it, freshly encoded, onto the iPod. I went with "Strange Loop" but think I meant "Stratford-On-Guy."

dblcheeksneek, Monday, 7 January 2008 20:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

she played 3 songs that I don't think ever ended up on albums

there's basically an entire CD's worth of great Liz Phair songs that never made it to LP. "Wasted" and "Hurricane Cindy" are two good examples, there are at least a dozen more.

sleeve, Monday, 7 January 2008 21:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 00:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

This is one of the least-disputable poll results I've ever seen.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 02:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Glory" is like the only song I like on this one.. and that one song where she's like "I wanna just want ur fresh young jimmy, slamming jamming ramming in me."

The Brainwasher, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 02:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

sad to see "dance of the seven veils" lose out so hard. it's the sleeper hit of the album!

Emily Bjurnhjam, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 06:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

and no votes for 'canary' or 'gunshy' - both beautiful songs in there own right...but maybe not quite rocking enought to get the vote. i love the little tempo changes on gunshy and the fragile sounding piano on canary. hell - the whole album's great.

sam500, Tuesday, 8 January 2008 06:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

GUYS

Surmounter, Thursday, 22 May 2008 02:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

i'm really upset.

i just realized

i wanted to vote for dance of the seven veils, which is the one "johnny, myyy love..."

but i thought it was Johnny Sunshine so i voted for that by mistake! ARRRRRGHHHHH! and now Dance of the seven veils has no votes :(

Surmounter, Thursday, 22 May 2008 02:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

This disc is being reissued next month, I believe.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 22 May 2008 05:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

missed the poll.. 6'1".
I really like "Soap Star Joe" and "Canary" too. got this album back in 94, still listen to it.

daria-g, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

prolly cuz it's pure genius

Surmounter, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Just back from the Chicago show. WOW.

toby, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 02:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

I HATE YOU!!!!!! what was the best song?

Surmounter, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 02:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'm not too sure! The obvious favourites (6'1, fuck and run etc) were in some ways less good, just because they were a straightforward band runthrough. More interesting was the effort they made on stuff like canary, flower, shatter, to replicate the sound of the record. Definitely one of those shows where you pick out a lot of stuff you didn't notice before - I'll be listening to the record a good deal tomorrow, I suspect.

toby, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 03:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

It was essentially all great though. Even the new song in the encore seemed promising (charming solo goes at chopsticks and polyester bride, too).

toby, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 03:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

nice -- i feel like that's a good sign, that those were the highlights.

Surmounter, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 03:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

i am so thrilled by the idea of a new song being "promising" (this from someone who liked albums 4 and 5 at first) i can't even put it into words

Keaney Tong, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 03:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

said new song:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NP8z5MQD9Sw

toby, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 12:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

Pitchfork and Jim DeRogatis seemed to hate her show (Google News search them)… I hope to hear better things from the people who show up at Hiro tonight and tomorrow. People seemed to like her in SF… maybe it's just the traditional Chicago hatred of her taking over.

Keaney Tong, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 23:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

Is the reissue remastered?

milo z, Thursday, 26 June 2008 00:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

DeRogatis looked like a bit of a dick to me (I know nothing about him more generally, fwiw); sat there with his laptop in the stalls, barely paying any attention. I think it's fair to suggest that his mind may have been made up before the show. Not quite sure that Mesmerising is a "potty-mouthed confession", either.

Apparantly there is some remastering - I think the Pfork review mentions it?

toby, Thursday, 26 June 2008 13:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

i love that song

Surmounter, Thursday, 26 June 2008 13:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

divorce song

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Friday, 29 April 2011 21:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

why can't i breathe whenever i think abt u

markers, Friday, 29 April 2011 21:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

I didn't really think that I realizeed how highly I regarded this album (top 10 of the decade for sure) until I realized that five or six songs from it were among my favorite ever ("Glory", "Explain it to Me", "Canary", "Fuck and Run", "Divorce Song", "Johnny Sunshine"). My favorite out of all of these, and the one I wouldve voted for, is Explain it to Me. Love that song.

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 29 April 2011 22:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't remember this poll but I probably would have either voted DS or F and Run. Popular choices it seems. This album was really important to me for a long time.

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 29 April 2011 22:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh yeah F&&R and DS are def #2 and #3 in my book...way glad they won!

did anybody ever do a runoff?

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 29 April 2011 23:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

samesies, it was major for me in HS... F & Run and 6'1" would've been close contenders for me too, but i just revisited it this week for the first time in years and divorce song was even more devastating than i remembered

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Friday, 29 April 2011 23:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I'm going to have to dig this out now I think.

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 29 April 2011 23:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm gonna do a run off; prepare for your Site New Answers to get f-bombed.

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 29 April 2011 23:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

Run off?

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Friday, 29 April 2011 23:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, tied for first place...

why not?

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 29 April 2011 23:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

i might have voted for canary, not sure

mookieproof, Friday, 29 April 2011 23:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'd venture to say that you did not.

Has anyone ever dared to talk about Phair's guitar skills?

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 30 April 2011 00:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

a man named gygax! dared, many years ago

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 30 April 2011 00:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

**furiously searches**

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 30 April 2011 00:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

i always thought her playing on this record was very good...
there are two songs on her whipsmart that i considered very well-written: "shane" and "nashville".

― gygax!, Wednesday, December 4, 2002 6:19 PM (8 years ago) Bookmark

There are some great guitar songs on Exile. I don't think I've ever heard PJ Harvey.
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cum dude (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 30 April 2011 00:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

**thunderous applause**

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 30 April 2011 00:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

i might have voted for canary, not sure

had i voted, obvs

mookieproof, Saturday, 30 April 2011 01:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

My first college girlfriend was a really big deal too, at the time. But somehow, she's not so important to me currently. I think that once in a while I can work up some enthusiasm for Jeremy Engle, but that's about it. There's gotta be an alternate universe out there somewhere where Phair actually amounts to something...

dlp9001, Saturday, 30 April 2011 01:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

Glory is definitely one of the best songs ever.

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Saturday, 30 April 2011 01:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Her electric rhythm strum is one of my favorite songs ever.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 April 2011 02:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

aww man, one late write-in vote for Dance of the Seven Veils, because I too am a cunt in spring..

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

no, apparently I voted way back in the day. I guess Future Lex is nastier than Past Lex. I am still 6'1" though.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 2 May 2011 16:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Her electric rhythm strum is one of my favorite songs ever.

― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, April 29, 2011

SOTM - she and brad wood found a great sound on this record.

mesmerizing in particular. the bluesy little hook from same is one of my fave things to play when I'm just hangin' on the couch with a guitar.

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Monday, 2 May 2011 18:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

Anyone listened to her episode of Joe Rogan yet? I just realized that it was up.

http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/liz-phair

how's life, Monday, 9 April 2018 14:26 (four months ago) Permalink

i'll be honest, the 'joe rogan' part is a likely unsurmountable hurdle right out of the gate

star wars ep viii: the bay of porgs (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 9 April 2018 14:31 (four months ago) Permalink

Yeah, I get that. But he isn't 100% unlistenable and can be a good interviewer (with some very glaring exceptions). My breakdown of when I'll listen to Rogan from another thread:

how's life wrote this on thread Post a controversial opinion on board I Love Everything on Oct 13, 2017

lol, I'll listen to Joe Rogan if one of my favorite musicians is on. Then it'll be like Ok that was pretty cool. Who's next? A guy who hunts invasive pigs in Patagonia? Great! Sign me up! Subscribe! Next? A b-list stand-up comic. Ok, sure I guess... Next week? The more speculative side of evolutionary psychology! EJECT EJECT!

This repeats itself every 6 months or so for me. Substitute in Milo Yiannopoulos, an anti-feminist woman, or some MMA fighter in the last slot as necessary.

Point being, there's a two-hour Liz Phair interview up.

how's life, Monday, 9 April 2018 14:36 (four months ago) Permalink

omg, like 10 minutes in and they're talking aliens.

how's life, Monday, 9 April 2018 15:37 (four months ago) Permalink

I enjoyed it, it's just 2 hours of stoner talk

flappy bird, Monday, 9 April 2018 16:43 (four months ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was enjoying it. I just got up to the part where Liz starts talking about how maybe demons are dog ghosts and had to take a little break. I'll finish it up tonight.

how's life, Monday, 9 April 2018 16:46 (four months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Haven't listened to it yet, but she's on the latest Song Exploder talking about Divorce Song.

http://songexploder.net/liz-phair

how's life, Friday, 11 May 2018 11:41 (three months ago) Permalink

I really wish those Song Exploders were an hour long. They're great for the most part but I always want more.

flappy bird, Friday, 11 May 2018 16:21 (three months ago) Permalink

My thoughts exactly! It's seemed like they could have covered a lot more

rip van wanko, Friday, 11 May 2018 16:23 (three months ago) Permalink

I'm not a gearhead or even a musician but I don't remember it being mentioned what kind of guitar she used

rip van wanko, Friday, 11 May 2018 16:25 (three months ago) Permalink

I'd bet it was her old Fender Duo Sonic. She's had other guitars since but probably not at the time.

how's life, Friday, 11 May 2018 16:54 (three months ago) Permalink

Having never listened to Liz Phair before it's insane reading old ILM threads (not this one, the other ones)

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 11 May 2018 16:57 (three months ago) Permalink

Haven't listened to it yet, but she's on the latest Song Exploder talking about Divorce Song.

http://songexploder.net/liz-phair

― how's life, Friday, May 11, 2018 4:41 AM (nine hours ago)

I wonder if "Shane" was a sequel to "Divorce Song":

I know that it was the night
The war broke out because
You and I were driving around

You were doing a story
About if people understood
What had happened to their world
Tonight
In bed
Sleeping
The world tonight
In bed
Asleep

You said that you were in touch
With the draft resistors
In case the big boys called you up
You're gonna have to let 'em
Dick you around
But don't let 'em make
You do
What you can't live with
Tonight
In bed
With me
Sleeping
You looked like you were just a little kid

Shane, I said, you've got to watch your ass

You've gotta have fear in your heart
You've gotta have fear in your heart
You've gotta have fear in your heart
You've gotta have fear in your heart
You've gotta have fear in your heart
You've gotta have fear in your heart
You've gotta have fear in your heart
You've gotta have fear in your heart
Fear in your heart

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 11 May 2018 21:21 (three months ago) Permalink


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