Joni Mitchell: Classic or Dud

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I'm not normally one for the acoustic singy-songwrity pantheon but I'll be gosh-darned if "Blue" doesn't just *floor* me. So for that, classic.

Trouble is, I'm too unfamiliar with the rest of her work. Enlighten me but answer the thread question as well, please. ;-)

Venga, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Dud, Dud and thrice Dud. Annoyingly "twee" hippy songstress with a piercing warble that could make dogs' heads explode. Ick!

alex in nyc, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Is she related to Grant and Phil?

DG, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I liked "Urge for Going" and "Conversation". Poor homebound Canadian girl!! True though, she does warble too much. Final verdict-dud.

Joseph Wasko, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Classic. I remember that on one ill-advised attendance of a cadet leadership camp, mentally replaying her better songs in my head was pretty much what got me through the week. Now admittedly I was fourteen and high-strung at the time, but I still reckon she was, when on form, an unbeatable lyricist. The true classic in her back catalogue is _Hejira_, which of course everyone needs, as it strikes the perfect balance between her early directness and her later abstraction (and her early warbling and later nicotine-enhanced rasp, for that matter).

Tim, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The single worst artist to ever live? Not only do I hate her on principle, but I found Blue to be the most painful album to get through this side of Pink Moon.

Otis Wheeler, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

'Hejira' is the only album I've heard- 'Song for Sharon' and 'Coyote' in particular are excellent. The lyrics and instrumentation floor me.

Geordie loves it fretless, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Pure garbage. Not fit to pick the toenails of Leonard Cohen, Nick Drake, Tim Buckley. Bloody ugly, as well.

Johnathan, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

cobblers. She was & is HOT!!! "Hejira" is a truly beautiful record, better than all that dylan shite wot folks from old-fart magazines get all hot & bothered over. Joni=classic!

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norman fay, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

HOT!!! Joni Mitchell! Now you're just being silly.

Johnathan, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

No, he's NOT! (though it's beside the point)

I got "Blue" and "Ladies of the Canyon" for my parents, not thinking I'd ever want them for myself. And why is it that 'warbling' should be considered a bad sound to listen to? Her voice on those two records is lovely!

youn, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I figure there's just something I don't get about her music. I've tried it on for size lotsa times over the years & the only song i ever developed a lasting liking for is "The Jungle Line" off "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns".
I'm glad I still don't get it actually, it means I'm (still) Not Adult-Oriented.

Duane Zarakov, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I have Blue and Court And Spark and like both a lot. Blue, especially. I do think, though, that my appreciation has something to do with nostalgia. The whole hippie outlook of that kind of music, (and the sound, too) were what the softer side of the radio was all about when I was a kid in the 70s (both records came out a few years before I would have heard them; but the late 70s still had plenty of that singer/songwriter stuff going.) So I'm not going to cram it down anyone's throat, just because I have certain associations from a certain time & place. I will say that Blue has some fantastic melodies & I'm going to say Classic just on the basis of those two records. I guess I'm more of a hippie than a punk.

Mark, Sunday, 15 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. One only needs to listen to her whining at the Isle of Wight festival. Along those lines, the whole of the 60's folk revival (with Dylan et al) has always escaped my sphere of likes, or even my sphere of intellectual appreciation. It just seems so fake. Or maybe I'm just a cynic.

JM, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

'My Old Man' (Blue) astonishes me. I used to hear it as a kid, and rediscovering it recently made me shiver with - with memory, nostalgia, something recovered, I suppose; but also with what felt like its innate qualities, the extraordinary intuitive suppleness of the melody, her delivery of it, the plangency of the piano chords. The one thing that let me down was reading the lyrics (I'd not really made them out from listening), which didn't measure up to the sheer emotional charge of the pure aural experience at all.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I hate "Big Yellow Taxi" with a passion called hate, to paraphrase Mr Weller and Ms Headon. But wherever "Night In The City" is (not on 'Blue' I don't think), I like it there.

More to the point, did anyone see that Norwegian girl doing Joni Mitchell on Stars In Euro Eyes?

Tom, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah Tom ...she had scary teeth

Geordie Racer, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"whining"? "Warbling"? Are some posters getting Ms Mitchell mixed upw/joan baez? (now she was *d*u*d*!) I think Joni Mitchell's voice is very pure-sounding, not warbly at all.

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NoRMaN FaY, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

By 'warbling', I thought people meant that she used vocal effects - modulations in pitch, etc. - too much, with the implication that her singing was skilled, but heartless, like Mariah Carey's. I think her voice sounds very pure, too, and didn't know that the terms were mutually exclusive.

Norman, it's funny that you mention Joan Baez in relation to this. Joan Didion has this essay about her in which she writes: "When it was time to go to high school, her father was teaching at Stanford, and so she went to Palo Alto High School, where she taught herself "House of the Rising Sun" on a Sears, Roebuck guitar, tried to achieve vibrato by tapping her throat with her finger, and made headlines by refusing to leave the school during a bomb drill." I love the myth that's suggested by these facts, esp. in relation to the setting.

youn, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...
That's an interesting thread. The positions are quite clear. I'd say my favorite post in here was the Pinefox's. "My Old Man" is an emotionally very intense song with great lyrics: "But when he's gone. Me and them lonesome blues collide. The bed's too big. The frying pan's too wide". She delivers this song in a pure and vulnerable way which is typical for her. As a lyricist she is a genius. A line like "I could drink a case of you and I would still be on my feet" is simply beautiful. I always loved her crystal-clear articulation. So it really makes me wonder that the Pinefox did not get the vocals on "My Old Man".

She warbled most on the first album where she sings false in places. That record is even for me as a fan hardly bearable. I am with Tom concerning "Big Yellow Taxi". Musically it is terrible whereas from the lyrics and the premonition of men destroying nature it is pure genius. "Woodstock" is another of her melodically inferior songs. "Last Flight Tonight" also never gripped me. Absolutely essential are "Blue", "Court and Spark" and "Hejira".

BTW Joan Baez who I always found too folky made a great album in 1992 called "Play Me Backwards".

alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

surely it is women who destroy nature, with their lipstick and their hairspray...

as i am allergic to the entire countryside, i liked that they paved over paradise and put up a parking lot: asphalt = better than pollen dust, IMO

mark s, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

she is so yearningly honest , i find that refreshing

anthony, Tuesday, 26 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Some reasons to admire Joni:

1. The completely unique sound she gets out of an acoustic guitar on "Blue". 'A Case Of You' = classic.

2. "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns": my definition of Pazz & Jop. Also includes Burundi music way before it was fashionable to do things like this.

3. A band like Nazareth can do great covers of her material. Also her vocal lines are ideal fodder for bootlegs (as Fluke demonstrated years ago). Recontextualisation and all that.

4. She kept Jaco busy - hence fewer shitty Jazz Rock records were made.

(I'm joking about No.4 alex!)

Jeff W, Tuesday, 26 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
she uses capos well

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 07:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"blue" reminds me of summer camp. fond memories.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 07:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Uber Classic! I have to second Jeff's points about the amazing angular guitar tones she got (cf. Blue) and the pazz and jop..
Lyrically she is much more than the fay hippie she's been portrayed as. She's got a great gift of observation re. people and relationships, which I guess puts her in the 'mature' category... Also, that kind of hippie outlook, she started out with, gave her a great perspective on the end of that dream during the 70s, as fantastically displayed on her classic trilogy: Court & Sparks, Hissing of Summer Lawns and Hejira

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Friday, 29 August 2003 08:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

While I find "Blue" slightly overrated, here excellent mid 70s output ("Court And Spark", "Hissing Of Summer Lawns", "Hejira") definitely makes her classic. No doubt about that.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 29 August 2003 10:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ok how big a bummer is it when Geir likes what u like

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 12:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

...and conversely how reassuring it is to find that Geir likes an artist you loathe

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

she uses capos well

and/or multiple alternate tunings, some of her own invention, i believe?

she's one of the greats, compositionally, subject-matter-wise and maybe persona-wise. and yes, arguably hot, if you like the personality. and probably harder than anyone who thinks she's "twee".

Both For the Roses and Court and Spark are arguably better than Blue. Her best singing (and guitar-playing?) may be on the otherwise middling though convenient pre-C&S-greatest-hits live Miles of Aisles

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

j0hn otm.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Saskatchewan ROOLZ

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure why I never answered this the first time around. Joni's one of my all-time favorites. Just listened to Don Juan's Reckless Daughter the day before yesterday, The Hissing of Summer Lawns is also a great one. Her dour seriousness as of late is a bit of a pity, but what a huge talent.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I love Blue. I dunno ´bout her later stuff, though.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

gabbneb her tunings are often fairly conventional (open D and G are probably her most used non-standard tunings). she has a real grace with the open tunings (e.g., "you turn me on (i'm a radio)") that requires a level of skill fairly uncommon, maybe someone like malkmus, someone who can sing and (uppercase) PLAY pretty sophisticated lines simultaneously.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Geir Hongro has made me listen to Court and Spark again after I had mentally filed it away as something to sell or to give to my parents, and I'm glad. There's a version of 'Just Like This Train' on one of those KCRW compilations, which I like a lot. I'm trying to figure out why the arrangements on the album aren't as straightforward for me.

youn, Friday, 29 August 2003 18:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(but possibly her inventedness is maybe variations on D and G... hey! again kinda like malkmus!)

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Also, having Charles Mingus call you up and say here's some songs I wrote for you, why don't you put some lyrics to them is pretty classic.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(but ultimately maybe more like richard thompson, burt jansch or even anne briggs)

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the title track to "court and spark" was running through my head last night, despite not having heard it for years.

i wish i liked anne briggs more.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(i wish i knew who anne briggs or bert jansch were shocker)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 29 August 2003 19:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

they are some guitarists i got into in college shortly after i first heard the led zeppelin bbc session ("white summer/black mountain side") and how it was page's electric rip of several bert jansch songs. it turns out jansch learned the originals from friend/partner anne briggs... but primarily 60s british folk stuff, he was in pentangle and had a lengthy solo career, she stopped playing after a couple records.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 19:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

anne briggs was an english folk singer who started out singing unaccompanied traditional ballads for topic records. later she made a few singer-songwriter type records, with a traditional quality to them. she was very good-looking and had a reputation as a free spirit. she dated bert jansch, who is a v. famous english guitar player/songwriter/singer who wrote "needle of death" and was in pentangle. briggs was a pretty good guitar player too and a decent songwriter. i don't like her voice much on the ballads stuff, it's been claimed as unadorned but it sounds florid to me. the lp the time has come though is very pretty.

just noticed gygax's post. well, a 2nd opinion then.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 20:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i mean she was good looking and a free spirit since every liner note written about her seems to mention those things. apologies.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 20:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I find For The Roses quite frustrating. Some great stuff on there, but so much of it sounds so... awkward.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 30 August 2003 07:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dated bert jansch, who is a v. famous english guitar player/songwriter/singer

That should read v. famous SCOTTISH guitar player etc., hope you never meet Bert on a dark night!

Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 31 August 2003 12:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

thx for the correction.

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 31 August 2003 19:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I can't believe the amount of dissent; without doubt, classic.

christoff (christoff), Friday, 5 September 2003 12:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

Expanded 2CD remasters of "Court And Spark", "Hissing Of Summer Lawns" and "Hejira" were supposed to have been released by January this year. They are not yet in the shops half a year later.
Does anyone know what happened and when and if they are due?

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 20:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

she dumped them in the ocean, I heard.

sw00ds, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 20:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

Thread bump reminded me that she's going to die this year

Pentenema Karten, Monday, 18 January 2016 15:19 (one year ago) Permalink

thanks for that comment, really adding value there

calstars, Monday, 18 January 2016 15:24 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Thirty of my favorites.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 03:20 (nine months ago) Permalink

no paprika plains, no credibility.

i am exaggerating, i know, great list.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:00 (nine months ago) Permalink

when I play "Paprika Plains" it's pleasant. I may have to keep trying.

on Facebook Tim F mused that my Summer Lawns picks bore the biggest similarities w/C&S, which wasn't my intention.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:34 (nine months ago) Permalink

my no. 1 would be "the boho dance" but what do i know

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:49 (nine months ago) Permalink

i love blue and it was the first joni record i heard but yea court and spark is what did it for me too. this resonated w/ me:

A vinyl copy of Court and Spark borrowed from the A/V library did it: ten perfect songs that like their creator couldn’t make up their minds about being narratives, autobiography, journal entries, or reasons to flaunt exquisite woodwind arrangements.

marcos, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:51 (nine months ago) Permalink

the opening minute of the song 'hissing of summer lawns' makes my jaw drop every time. the sort of cool funk of the opening bars and the flute-like sound of her voice over the first few lines

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:07 (nine months ago) Permalink

the song that really first really sold me on her though, that doesn't seem to get that much attention, is People's Patties. Something about those harmonies. So bold and stark.

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:12 (nine months ago) Permalink

yes, people's parties is an all-timer, brilliant chord changes and the most perfectly recorded acoustic guitar i have ever heard

ridiculous perm ban decision (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:04 (nine months ago) Permalink

Prince obv studied the outro "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:16 (nine months ago) Permalink

People's Patties

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:21 (nine months ago) Permalink

haha just noticed that

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 05:49 (nine months ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

Dan Chiasson is a poetry critic for the New Yorker, but/and here his often astute, deftly detailed clarity evokes the musical experience, incl. why artists and listeners bother, so much better than many full-time music writers can manage:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/joni-mitchells-openhearted-heroism (title and sub a bit much, but may not have been his choice).

dow, Friday, 13 October 2017 23:56 (one month ago) Permalink

Some great reading, I didn't know that "A Case of You" was about Leonard Cohen. Has anyone read that new biography "Reckless Daughter" by David Yaffe already?

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Saturday, 14 October 2017 05:22 (one month ago) Permalink

drew a map of canada, ooooooh canadaaaaaaaaa

bodak horseman (voodoo chili), Saturday, 14 October 2017 14:04 (one month ago) Permalink

The piece in New Yorker is great. I'd also recommend two more recent ones:

Chords of Inquiry: http://www.bookforum.com/inprint/024_03/18474
The Unknowable Joni Mitchell: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/the-unknowable-joni-mitchell/540618/

By the way, the fact that she released a run of Blue > For the Roses > Court and Spark > The Hissing of Summer Lawns > Hejira in just five years never fails to amaze me. What an artist.

ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Saturday, 14 October 2017 14:27 (one month ago) Permalink

i know this comes up every time a 2001-era ilx thread gets bumped, but ilx really was gross and vile back then, wasn't it?

bob lefse (rushomancy), Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:03 (one month ago) Permalink

Do you mean the discussion of her hotness?

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:20 (one month ago) Permalink

For the Roses is the one I'm most likely to put on nowadays, partly just because I completely overlooked it before. "Do you wanna con-tact somebody first?"

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:51 (one month ago) Permalink

morning, morgantown
buy your dreams a dollar down

Mordy, Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:53 (one month ago) Permalink

XP - Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire is so great, one of my favourites.

MaresNest, Saturday, 14 October 2017 16:57 (one month ago) Permalink

I listened to Night Ride Home this morning; album title otm. top shelf album imo

droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 14 October 2017 16:59 (one month ago) Permalink

By the way, the fact that she released a run of Blue > For the Roses > Court and Spark > The Hissing of Summer Lawns > Hejira in just five years never fails to amaze me. What an artist.

― ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:27 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

marcos, Saturday, 14 October 2017 17:09 (one month ago) Permalink

The statement that "A Case of You" is about Cohen is speculation. Mitchell has never said who it's about, and it could just as easily be Graham Nash.

heaven parker (anagram), Saturday, 14 October 2017 17:47 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah but who would YOU rather bed?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 October 2017 17:55 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't know anything about Nash but the Skakespearean line "I am as constant as the northern star" alone points so much into the direction of Cohen that it hurts. The bitter tasting wine, Canada, the line about love touching souls, it all makes a lot of sense. Thinking about it, it must be Cohen she is singing about.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:50 (one month ago) Permalink

I thought "A Case of You" was about James Taylor

flappy bird, Saturday, 14 October 2017 22:13 (one month ago) Permalink

or maybe she was singing about dr. pepper

bodak horseman (voodoo chili), Saturday, 14 October 2017 23:01 (one month ago) Permalink

Maybe it's one of the great songs of all time and I'm not worried about backstory

pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 14 October 2017 23:21 (one month ago) Permalink

thank u ^^^

marcos, Sunday, 15 October 2017 00:04 (one month ago) Permalink

NV otm

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 15 October 2017 00:08 (one month ago) Permalink

Gotta admit that my stomach flips whenever this thread gets revived.

MaresNest, Sunday, 15 October 2017 00:25 (one month ago) Permalink

I've been thinking lately that I feel like there's been a sea change in my lifetime where people finally stopped thinking of her as "great female artist" in that asterisked sort of way and more universally accepted her as just great artist period. Not sure if that's the culture or just the maturing of my own social circles.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Sunday, 15 October 2017 02:50 (one month ago) Permalink

Yes and no. We can't ignore what our simple male minds can just glimpse sometimes, like Chiasson squinting hard at some of the experiences she dealt with in her songs, incl. what it was like to be a woman on stage in The Age of Rock---a litte tyme trip here, brace yourselves (though that won't really work, I just tried it before re-reading this)
http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/bk-aow/airplane.php

dow, Sunday, 15 October 2017 03:10 (one month ago) Permalink

Agree with man alive - great artist period

looser than lucinda (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 15 October 2017 20:52 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

i had never heard "hunter" - so good!

marcos, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 15:33 (one week ago) Permalink

and that acoustic "edith," wow

marcos, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 15:38 (one week ago) Permalink

thanks, man — yeah there is not a ton of unreleased Joni, but what's out there is pretty great. "Hunter" should really be better known.
you can get all of those hissing demos here: http://www.ousterhout.net/mp3/jm.html

tylerw, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 15:48 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah those Hissing demos are great

sleeve, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 16:13 (one week ago) Permalink

this obviously never came out ...

In November 2009, Rhino Entertainment will be releasing a Joni Mitchell box set. The 4CD/1DVD-package will have over 85 songs, from the mid-sixties up to Joni's last album "Shine". Several unreleased songs and alternate versions will be included, plus very rare and previously unissued video performances spanning Joni's incomparable career. Joni will be contributing notes to the package and overseeing the photo edit and design.

Instead of traditional liner notes, Joni would like to invite the online Joni Mitchell-community to send in a statement of why they enjoy the music. It can be one sentence or a short paragraph and the best will be chosen for the liner notes for the project. It can be a personal experience with the music or why in general you like it.

Here are some notes from Joni herself on working the box set :

"The tapes from my first record have been in David Crosby's possession all these years - it's like a miracle that they didn't go up in smoke or something. And there are a lot of [unreleased] songs from back then that would be impossible for me to sing now - they're really ingenue works. There also are some bits of banter between Crosby and me on the first record. And there is in existence the fledgling flight of 'Both Sides Now' at the Second Fret in Philadelphia.

There are tracks from the Mingus album, which was cut with four of five different bands; with some of them I do better vocal performances. I wanted to come into jazz and take it somewhere. There are some tracks where I don't take it anywhere, that are just straight meat-and-potatoes jazz where I'm actually singing better than I did [on the commercially released tracks]. The album I put out is a little more out there.

There's a lot of other stuff back there as well. For instance, the first album was a conceptual album. I had so much material that the first side is called 'I Came To The City' and the second side is called 'Out Of The City & Down To The Seaside'. It's that same recurring theme: What are cities doing to nature? There are [unreleased] songs from that era, one of them called 'Jeremy', which is a nice song about a kid thrown into prison for pot.

There also are [unreleased songs with] pretty melodies and 'tunesmithy' lyrics. I've always been called a folk singer, from the time I made my first record. I've only recorded two folk songs in my whole career, but I used to sing folk songs before I began to write, and there are [tapes] of those - and that's kind of interesting. It's a piece of the evolution that's missing from [my] records."

tylerw, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 16:15 (one week ago) Permalink

wow, that Edith demo is fantastic

was there ever a Joni poll?

niels, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:49 (one week ago) Permalink

nice, thanks!

maybe some time we can do another where Hejira wins

niels, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:54 (one week ago) Permalink

More cogent quotes and intriguing glosses from the new bio, incl. addiction and "her career-crippling love of jazz", so more than one addiction, maybe (sure, blame jazz, Rolling Stone). Zings of male stars, natch---I gotta get thishttp://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/joni-mitchell-on-exes-addictions-music-in-candid-biography-w511165
Maybe all these conversations w biographer give some plausibility to the flickering hope that she's recovered powers of speech, or was xpost scamming The Croz and others she didn't wanna talk to anymore.

dow, Friday, 10 November 2017 16:40 (one week ago) Permalink

Looks good. I’m not super versed in her career but she has some damn good songs and reading about rock stars and drugs in the 70s is always fun.

calstars, Friday, 10 November 2017 17:43 (one week ago) Permalink

it really is

marcos, Friday, 10 November 2017 17:44 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah i can't wait to finish the jann wenner bio and get into this

flappy bird, Friday, 10 November 2017 18:06 (one week ago) Permalink


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