Joni Mitchell: Classic or Dud

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I'm not normally one for the acoustic singy-songwrity pantheon but I'll be gosh-darned if "Blue" doesn't just *floor* me. So for that, classic.

Trouble is, I'm too unfamiliar with the rest of her work. Enlighten me but answer the thread question as well, please. ;-)

Venga, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Dud, Dud and thrice Dud. Annoyingly "twee" hippy songstress with a piercing warble that could make dogs' heads explode. Ick!

alex in nyc, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Is she related to Grant and Phil?

DG, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I liked "Urge for Going" and "Conversation". Poor homebound Canadian girl!! True though, she does warble too much. Final verdict-dud.

Joseph Wasko, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Classic. I remember that on one ill-advised attendance of a cadet leadership camp, mentally replaying her better songs in my head was pretty much what got me through the week. Now admittedly I was fourteen and high-strung at the time, but I still reckon she was, when on form, an unbeatable lyricist. The true classic in her back catalogue is _Hejira_, which of course everyone needs, as it strikes the perfect balance between her early directness and her later abstraction (and her early warbling and later nicotine-enhanced rasp, for that matter).

Tim, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The single worst artist to ever live? Not only do I hate her on principle, but I found Blue to be the most painful album to get through this side of Pink Moon.

Otis Wheeler, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

'Hejira' is the only album I've heard- 'Song for Sharon' and 'Coyote' in particular are excellent. The lyrics and instrumentation floor me.

Geordie loves it fretless, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Pure garbage. Not fit to pick the toenails of Leonard Cohen, Nick Drake, Tim Buckley. Bloody ugly, as well.

Johnathan, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

cobblers. She was & is HOT!!! "Hejira" is a truly beautiful record, better than all that dylan shite wot folks from old-fart magazines get all hot & bothered over. Joni=classic!


norman fay, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

HOT!!! Joni Mitchell! Now you're just being silly.

Johnathan, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

No, he's NOT! (though it's beside the point)

I got "Blue" and "Ladies of the Canyon" for my parents, not thinking I'd ever want them for myself. And why is it that 'warbling' should be considered a bad sound to listen to? Her voice on those two records is lovely!

youn, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I figure there's just something I don't get about her music. I've tried it on for size lotsa times over the years & the only song i ever developed a lasting liking for is "The Jungle Line" off "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns".
I'm glad I still don't get it actually, it means I'm (still) Not Adult-Oriented.

Duane Zarakov, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I have Blue and Court And Spark and like both a lot. Blue, especially. I do think, though, that my appreciation has something to do with nostalgia. The whole hippie outlook of that kind of music, (and the sound, too) were what the softer side of the radio was all about when I was a kid in the 70s (both records came out a few years before I would have heard them; but the late 70s still had plenty of that singer/songwriter stuff going.) So I'm not going to cram it down anyone's throat, just because I have certain associations from a certain time & place. I will say that Blue has some fantastic melodies & I'm going to say Classic just on the basis of those two records. I guess I'm more of a hippie than a punk.

Mark, Sunday, 15 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. One only needs to listen to her whining at the Isle of Wight festival. Along those lines, the whole of the 60's folk revival (with Dylan et al) has always escaped my sphere of likes, or even my sphere of intellectual appreciation. It just seems so fake. Or maybe I'm just a cynic.

JM, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

'My Old Man' (Blue) astonishes me. I used to hear it as a kid, and rediscovering it recently made me shiver with - with memory, nostalgia, something recovered, I suppose; but also with what felt like its innate qualities, the extraordinary intuitive suppleness of the melody, her delivery of it, the plangency of the piano chords. The one thing that let me down was reading the lyrics (I'd not really made them out from listening), which didn't measure up to the sheer emotional charge of the pure aural experience at all.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I hate "Big Yellow Taxi" with a passion called hate, to paraphrase Mr Weller and Ms Headon. But wherever "Night In The City" is (not on 'Blue' I don't think), I like it there.

More to the point, did anyone see that Norwegian girl doing Joni Mitchell on Stars In Euro Eyes?

Tom, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah Tom ...she had scary teeth

Geordie Racer, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"whining"? "Warbling"? Are some posters getting Ms Mitchell mixed upw/joan baez? (now she was *d*u*d*!) I think Joni Mitchell's voice is very pure-sounding, not warbly at all.


NoRMaN FaY, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

By 'warbling', I thought people meant that she used vocal effects - modulations in pitch, etc. - too much, with the implication that her singing was skilled, but heartless, like Mariah Carey's. I think her voice sounds very pure, too, and didn't know that the terms were mutually exclusive.

Norman, it's funny that you mention Joan Baez in relation to this. Joan Didion has this essay about her in which she writes: "When it was time to go to high school, her father was teaching at Stanford, and so she went to Palo Alto High School, where she taught herself "House of the Rising Sun" on a Sears, Roebuck guitar, tried to achieve vibrato by tapping her throat with her finger, and made headlines by refusing to leave the school during a bomb drill." I love the myth that's suggested by these facts, esp. in relation to the setting.

youn, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...
That's an interesting thread. The positions are quite clear. I'd say my favorite post in here was the Pinefox's. "My Old Man" is an emotionally very intense song with great lyrics: "But when he's gone. Me and them lonesome blues collide. The bed's too big. The frying pan's too wide". She delivers this song in a pure and vulnerable way which is typical for her. As a lyricist she is a genius. A line like "I could drink a case of you and I would still be on my feet" is simply beautiful. I always loved her crystal-clear articulation. So it really makes me wonder that the Pinefox did not get the vocals on "My Old Man".

She warbled most on the first album where she sings false in places. That record is even for me as a fan hardly bearable. I am with Tom concerning "Big Yellow Taxi". Musically it is terrible whereas from the lyrics and the premonition of men destroying nature it is pure genius. "Woodstock" is another of her melodically inferior songs. "Last Flight Tonight" also never gripped me. Absolutely essential are "Blue", "Court and Spark" and "Hejira".

BTW Joan Baez who I always found too folky made a great album in 1992 called "Play Me Backwards".

alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

surely it is women who destroy nature, with their lipstick and their hairspray...

as i am allergic to the entire countryside, i liked that they paved over paradise and put up a parking lot: asphalt = better than pollen dust, IMO

mark s, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

she is so yearningly honest , i find that refreshing

anthony, Tuesday, 26 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Some reasons to admire Joni:

1. The completely unique sound she gets out of an acoustic guitar on "Blue". 'A Case Of You' = classic.

2. "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns": my definition of Pazz & Jop. Also includes Burundi music way before it was fashionable to do things like this.

3. A band like Nazareth can do great covers of her material. Also her vocal lines are ideal fodder for bootlegs (as Fluke demonstrated years ago). Recontextualisation and all that.

4. She kept Jaco busy - hence fewer shitty Jazz Rock records were made.

(I'm joking about No.4 alex!)

Jeff W, Tuesday, 26 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
she uses capos well

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 07:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"blue" reminds me of summer camp. fond memories.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 07:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Uber Classic! I have to second Jeff's points about the amazing angular guitar tones she got (cf. Blue) and the pazz and jop..
Lyrically she is much more than the fay hippie she's been portrayed as. She's got a great gift of observation re. people and relationships, which I guess puts her in the 'mature' category... Also, that kind of hippie outlook, she started out with, gave her a great perspective on the end of that dream during the 70s, as fantastically displayed on her classic trilogy: Court & Sparks, Hissing of Summer Lawns and Hejira

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Friday, 29 August 2003 08:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

While I find "Blue" slightly overrated, here excellent mid 70s output ("Court And Spark", "Hissing Of Summer Lawns", "Hejira") definitely makes her classic. No doubt about that.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 29 August 2003 10:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ok how big a bummer is it when Geir likes what u like

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 12:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

...and conversely how reassuring it is to find that Geir likes an artist you loathe

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

she uses capos well

and/or multiple alternate tunings, some of her own invention, i believe?

she's one of the greats, compositionally, subject-matter-wise and maybe persona-wise. and yes, arguably hot, if you like the personality. and probably harder than anyone who thinks she's "twee".

Both For the Roses and Court and Spark are arguably better than Blue. Her best singing (and guitar-playing?) may be on the otherwise middling though convenient pre-C&S-greatest-hits live Miles of Aisles

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

j0hn otm.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Saskatchewan ROOLZ

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure why I never answered this the first time around. Joni's one of my all-time favorites. Just listened to Don Juan's Reckless Daughter the day before yesterday, The Hissing of Summer Lawns is also a great one. Her dour seriousness as of late is a bit of a pity, but what a huge talent.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I love Blue. I dunno ´bout her later stuff, though.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

gabbneb her tunings are often fairly conventional (open D and G are probably her most used non-standard tunings). she has a real grace with the open tunings (e.g., "you turn me on (i'm a radio)") that requires a level of skill fairly uncommon, maybe someone like malkmus, someone who can sing and (uppercase) PLAY pretty sophisticated lines simultaneously.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Geir Hongro has made me listen to Court and Spark again after I had mentally filed it away as something to sell or to give to my parents, and I'm glad. There's a version of 'Just Like This Train' on one of those KCRW compilations, which I like a lot. I'm trying to figure out why the arrangements on the album aren't as straightforward for me.

youn, Friday, 29 August 2003 18:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(but possibly her inventedness is maybe variations on D and G... hey! again kinda like malkmus!)

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Also, having Charles Mingus call you up and say here's some songs I wrote for you, why don't you put some lyrics to them is pretty classic.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(but ultimately maybe more like richard thompson, burt jansch or even anne briggs)

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the title track to "court and spark" was running through my head last night, despite not having heard it for years.

i wish i liked anne briggs more.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(i wish i knew who anne briggs or bert jansch were shocker)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 29 August 2003 19:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

they are some guitarists i got into in college shortly after i first heard the led zeppelin bbc session ("white summer/black mountain side") and how it was page's electric rip of several bert jansch songs. it turns out jansch learned the originals from friend/partner anne briggs... but primarily 60s british folk stuff, he was in pentangle and had a lengthy solo career, she stopped playing after a couple records.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 19:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

anne briggs was an english folk singer who started out singing unaccompanied traditional ballads for topic records. later she made a few singer-songwriter type records, with a traditional quality to them. she was very good-looking and had a reputation as a free spirit. she dated bert jansch, who is a v. famous english guitar player/songwriter/singer who wrote "needle of death" and was in pentangle. briggs was a pretty good guitar player too and a decent songwriter. i don't like her voice much on the ballads stuff, it's been claimed as unadorned but it sounds florid to me. the lp the time has come though is very pretty.

just noticed gygax's post. well, a 2nd opinion then.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 20:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i mean she was good looking and a free spirit since every liner note written about her seems to mention those things. apologies.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 20:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I find For The Roses quite frustrating. Some great stuff on there, but so much of it sounds so... awkward.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 30 August 2003 07:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

dated bert jansch, who is a v. famous english guitar player/songwriter/singer

That should read v. famous SCOTTISH guitar player etc., hope you never meet Bert on a dark night!

Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 31 August 2003 12:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

thx for the correction.

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 31 August 2003 19:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I can't believe the amount of dissent; without doubt, classic.

christoff (christoff), Friday, 5 September 2003 12:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

Expanded 2CD remasters of "Court And Spark", "Hissing Of Summer Lawns" and "Hejira" were supposed to have been released by January this year. They are not yet in the shops half a year later.
Does anyone know what happened and when and if they are due?

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 20:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

she dumped them in the ocean, I heard.

sw00ds, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 20:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

whew, good news, thanx tyler

sleeve, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 00:18 (two years ago) Permalink

hunangarage, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 00:30 (two years ago) Permalink

A judge has put a friend of singer Joni Mitchell in charge of her medical decisions, after the musician entered intensive care last month.

Lawyer Alan Watenmaker told a hearing on Monday that Mitchell, 71, may leave hospital soon but is unable to confer with doctors about her medical care.

Leslie Morris, Mitchell's friend for more than 40 years, was appointed guardian by judge David S Cunningham.

It is still not clear what the singer-songwriter is being treated for.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 21:33 (two years ago) Permalink

approaching perfection

Sufjan Grafton, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 21:34 (two years ago) Permalink

Sorry...Kind of similar to the info from late April.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 21:35 (two years ago) Permalink

"unable to confer w/ doctors"

i wonder... does this mean she can't speak? or isn't conscious?

whatever it is... jeez. poor joni.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 21:53 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah the only common scenario that seems consistent with all the stories is a massive stroke leaving her no reliable means of communicating. Hope that's not the case though :-(

Tim F, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 22:15 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

aneurysm :(

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 19:40 (two years ago) Permalink


he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 29 May 2015 19:44 (two years ago) Permalink

Wait, RIP, or just the latest bad news?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 May 2015 19:46 (two years ago) Permalink

the aneurysm was the reason she went into the hospital -- seems like they're actually positive reports, all things considered?

tylerw, Friday, 29 May 2015 19:50 (two years ago) Permalink

"she didn't have a stroke," unlike the headline on this very article; also see:
But we'll just have to see (hope this doesn't turn into a Harper Lee/Ornette Coleman/BB King fracas)

dow, Friday, 29 May 2015 20:58 (two years ago) Permalink

Not that those are all the same-type fracas, of course, but re conflicting sources/caregivers etc

dow, Friday, 29 May 2015 20:59 (two years ago) Permalink

'very serious' condition and being moved to rehab.

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 30 May 2015 18:19 (two years ago) Permalink

xpost what happened to ornette coleman??

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Saturday, 30 May 2015 23:30 (two years ago) Permalink

ornette just recently sued somebody for releasing recordings of him without his permission, i'm pretty sure he is fine health wise,

brimstead, Saturday, 30 May 2015 23:40 (two years ago) Permalink

thank god!

yeah, i remember when that album came out with no fanfare it seemed odd. would make sense that they had released it w/o the full cooperation of ornette who seems to exert impressive quality control.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Sunday, 31 May 2015 00:30 (two years ago) Permalink

btw having read about this subsequently

it's denardo, acting as ornette's "legal guardian," who is suing. i don't know if that means that ornette is infirm or something, or just that in is old age he's decided to empower denardo with the authority to act on his behalf.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Sunday, 31 May 2015 00:31 (two years ago) Permalink

aneurisms are a bitch.

surm, Sunday, 31 May 2015 00:34 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

The Croz weighs in:

dow, Saturday, 27 June 2015 23:46 (one year ago) Permalink

I have been thinking about the song 'Amelia' a lot recently.

cod latin (dog latin), Sunday, 28 June 2015 11:00 (one year ago) Permalink

It's such a beautiful, weary dream.

MatthewK, Sunday, 28 June 2015 13:06 (one year ago) Permalink

Interesting that croz would rate her higher than dylan

Hoping for the best for her

Οὖτις, Sunday, 28 June 2015 14:31 (one year ago) Permalink

just another false alarm

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:46 (one year ago) Permalink

Joni Mitchell Suffered Aneurysm, but Can Speak, Conservator Says


JUNE 28, 2015
For the past few weeks, various reports have been swirling about Joni Mitchell’s medical condition, with the singer David Crosby saying on Friday that she was unable to speak after suffering an aneurysm. In her first statement since April, Ms. Mitchell’s conservator, Leslie Morris, responded in a statement on Sunday, saying that Ms. Mitchell had an aneurysm but that she was speaking and recovering well.

“Joni is speaking, and she’s speaking well,” read a statement posted at “She is not walking yet, but she will be in the near future as she is undergoing daily therapies. A full recovery is expected.”

Ms. Mitchell was hospitalized on March 31 and is now recovering at home.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 29 June 2015 02:51 (one year ago) Permalink

"She just isn't speaking to Mr. Crosby."

pplains, Monday, 29 June 2015 03:00 (one year ago) Permalink

"The Cros is here, Joni. What should I do?"

"Oh God. Him again. Tell him I can't speak or something."


wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 29 June 2015 18:27 (one year ago) Permalink


marcos, Monday, 29 June 2015 18:33 (one year ago) Permalink

drove past a morgantown this morning and thought of joni

Mordy, Monday, 29 June 2015 19:07 (one year ago) Permalink

glad to hear that she is on the mend!

tylerw, Monday, 29 June 2015 19:12 (one year ago) Permalink

I love that he says, "She used to be my old lady" -- this was literally a term that ceased being used in 1970 but Croz continues to deploy.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 03:08 (one year ago) Permalink

glad to hear that she is on the mend!

Yeah, so stop bumping this thread so I don't think she's dead!

Get better, JM.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 03:21 (one year ago) Permalink

pplains, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 03:29 (one year ago) Permalink

Attorney visits her at home, says "remarkable progress...expected to make full recovery":

dow, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 18:59 (one year ago) Permalink

I love that he says, "She used to be my old lady" -- this was literally a term that ceased being used in 1970 but Croz continues to deploy.

― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, June 29, 2015 10:08 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

perhaps a reference to "my old man"

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 19:14 (one year ago) Permalink

xp "The Commodore is fine"

Zing Zinglar (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 20:13 (one year ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Bought Mingus yesterday on vinyl and it's great cover is supplemented by a nice book/gatefold type packaging with liner notes and more paintings. It's lovely.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Sunday, 17 January 2016 09:09 (one year ago) Permalink

Thread bump reminded me that she's going to die this year

Pentenema Karten, Monday, 18 January 2016 15:19 (one year ago) Permalink

thanks for that comment, really adding value there

calstars, Monday, 18 January 2016 15:24 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Thirty of my favorites.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 03:20 (four months ago) Permalink

no paprika plains, no credibility.

i am exaggerating, i know, great list.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:00 (four months ago) Permalink

when I play "Paprika Plains" it's pleasant. I may have to keep trying.

on Facebook Tim F mused that my Summer Lawns picks bore the biggest similarities w/C&S, which wasn't my intention.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:34 (four months ago) Permalink

my no. 1 would be "the boho dance" but what do i know

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:49 (four months ago) Permalink

i love blue and it was the first joni record i heard but yea court and spark is what did it for me too. this resonated w/ me:

A vinyl copy of Court and Spark borrowed from the A/V library did it: ten perfect songs that like their creator couldn’t make up their minds about being narratives, autobiography, journal entries, or reasons to flaunt exquisite woodwind arrangements.

marcos, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:51 (four months ago) Permalink

the opening minute of the song 'hissing of summer lawns' makes my jaw drop every time. the sort of cool funk of the opening bars and the flute-like sound of her voice over the first few lines

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:07 (four months ago) Permalink

the song that really first really sold me on her though, that doesn't seem to get that much attention, is People's Patties. Something about those harmonies. So bold and stark.

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 00:12 (four months ago) Permalink

yes, people's parties is an all-timer, brilliant chord changes and the most perfectly recorded acoustic guitar i have ever heard

ridiculous perm ban decision (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:04 (four months ago) Permalink

Prince obv studied the outro "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 01:16 (four months ago) Permalink

People's Patties

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 02:21 (four months ago) Permalink

haha just noticed that

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 05:49 (four months ago) Permalink

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