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over the past year or 2, i've had periods where all i want to listen to is later ashra & solo manuel gottsching. what else is as good as this? i recently picked up Michael Hoenig's "Departure From the Northern Wasteland" and it's really nice. i really like the stuff that features really loopy guitars. A.R. & Machines is great.

the only current stuff i've heard like this is Glissandro 70

jaxon, Monday, 17 December 2007 23:38 (twelve years ago) link

these are kind of obvious recommendations, and they don't all feature guitars but:

Klaus Schulze - Moondawn
Tangerine Dream - Rubycon
Cluster – Sowiesoso
Vangelis - Spiral
Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene / Equinoxe / Zoolook / Les Chants Magnetiques
stuff by Mother Mallard’s Portable Masterpiece Co
that Harald Grosskopf solo album, especially "So Weit So Gut"

it's kind of unrelated, but I've always lumped some Jean-Luc Ponty stuff in here (like "Cosmic Messenger") ever since I inherited a person's vinyl collection that contained a lot of Schulze and Ponty records arranged next to each other.

Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 03:04 (twelve years ago) link

a.r. & machines (specifically echo), maybe.

anna själv tredje spring to mind, but i guess that's more like early tangerine dream (zeit/atem/etc) with some guitar.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 03:05 (twelve years ago) link

yeah that ar & machines cd with the pretentious title is good. "echoes from times of the green journey" i believe?

Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 03:38 (twelve years ago) link

pardon my ignorance but what is ar? I know no kraut artist under that name

Moka, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 05:09 (twelve years ago) link

it's Achim Reichel (A.R. & Machines). it's an AMAZING album of guitar and delay.

it sounds like the cover looks

http://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/2547/cover_225972672006.jpg

jaxon, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 05:39 (twelve years ago) link

have you heard "echo," jaxon? cause if not i think you'll dig it... more atmospheric, trippy, diffuse and weird than die gruene reise.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 09:02 (twelve years ago) link

seconding that Harald Grosskopf recommendation Synthesist. was on Sky Records. some cheesy lead sounds but few technopop records get that cosmic / spacey, it's got a few things on it I really like

& Hoening & Gottschring's 70's collaboration Early Water is exactly what you'd expect

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 09:22 (twelve years ago) link

oh yeah, i've got that Harald Grosskopf album on my harddrive. what was that one album that i think was on the noizeboard leo thread that was like this? silver cover. there's a link to a website with the whole thing for download.

jaxon, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 23:05 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

Revive!

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/02/ciu/df/57/f56f012912a01ac83d17d110._AA240_.L.jpg

Peter Baumann's Romance '76 is also a real highlight of this idiom, as is Tangerine Dream's Encore, the last record w/ Baumann in '77.

But yes, the Hoenig is really quite good. I gather he was in TD for a brief period and may have appeared on one of the Bootleg series records, but never recorded in the studio with them.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 21:17 (eleven years ago) link

Note the Low-esque/Man Who Fell To Earth look, too.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 21:58 (eleven years ago) link

And a bit of The Man Who Sold The World as well, no? Don't know Baumann, must check.

willem, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 08:00 (eleven years ago) link

Romance 75 is very very good.
There's also the lp from Gunther Schickert (Klaus Schulze's engineer): lots of heavily delayed guitar sounds and a beautiful, lost-in-the-teutonic-woods vibe.

Somebody should re-release both these albums.

Marco Damiani, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 09:04 (eleven years ago) link

schickert has an 80s LP that's really good, too. and then there's his band GAM.

dunt renaissance (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 18 February 2009 09:32 (eleven years ago) link

I'll have to check that out. I'd also rep for Baumann's second record, Trans Harmonic Nights, which has a bit of vocoder on it, but still a lot of blippy sequences as well. I'm sure I will grow out of this shortly, but right now, I feel like I could listen to this stuff to perpetuity.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 19 February 2009 22:22 (eleven years ago) link

Should add, btw, that Trans Harmonic Nights is probably the only Berlin School instance where the lead instrument is steel guitar.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 20 February 2009 14:10 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

Revive again! Hoenig-Gottsching's Early Water is the business.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 21 February 2011 21:25 (nine years ago) link

Heck yes to "Early Water".

(Reviving this thread also makes sense because of the new reissue on RVNG of the Harald Grosskopf LP that Milton P. mentions above, with remixes/reinterpretations by neo-kosmische contemporary folks on the bonus disc. Anyone heard that bonus stuff yet?)

Oh, and the Gunter Schickert LP mentioned above just got reissued in the last few months, too: http://www.forcedexposure.com/artists/schickert.gunter.html

Just been offered an interview with him by his manger. (Craig D.), Monday, 21 February 2011 21:40 (nine years ago) link

That Harold Grosskopf album was talked about on the excellent krautrock listening club, as was Peter Baumann. Time for a revive?

Neil S, Monday, 21 February 2011 21:55 (nine years ago) link

five months pass...

Anyone heard "Electric Day" by You from 1979? Reissued on Bureau-B this year. It's hard to search, so apologies if it's been mentioned already. Anyway, Harald Grosskopf played on this around the time he did "Synthesist". Lots of swirling spacy electronics, some proggy drums, acid guitar. Really excellent stuff! Aquarius Records made it an Album of the Week recently and they describe it pretty well on their site http://www.aquariusrecords.org.

International Waters, Sunday, 14 August 2011 15:52 (eight years ago) link

Electric Day is great (would have never heard about it were it not for this reissue)!

Time Code, the second reissue from '83, was worth a listen too, but didn't grab me to the same extent (more like Zero Set or Transfer Station Blue, but w/ less 'live' instrumentation than either of those)...

Went whole career w/o collabo, yo (Craig D.), Sunday, 14 August 2011 18:41 (eight years ago) link

i need to stay away from this thread

back to work!

geeta, Sunday, 14 August 2011 19:09 (eight years ago) link

six months pass...

Oh wow, Electric Day is blowing my mind right now.

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 9 March 2012 22:29 (eight years ago) link

Yeah I picked that up several months ago and it's pretty aws.

Also got a Michael Roether album around the same time, which I listened to a bunch but still find unmemorable.

the prurient pinterest (Hurting 2), Friday, 9 March 2012 22:31 (eight years ago) link

was also surprised at how good Electric Day is -- usually not into that kind of flowing fusiony jazz-electronic but they were kinda on it, Grosskopf was just great at making live drums & sequencers sound natural together

Milton Parker, Friday, 9 March 2012 23:27 (eight years ago) link

Electric Day's first track is *so strong*, the rest of the album just passes me by. But wow, that first track, an all-timer.

an elk hunt (Ówen P.), Saturday, 10 March 2012 00:19 (eight years ago) link

Great You photos in the press kit downloadable from the Bureau B website.

my opinionation (Hamildan), Saturday, 10 March 2012 20:43 (eight years ago) link

seven years pass...

Let's talk about Baffo Banfi. Used to see this name and think it was a band but it's an Italian fellow who was very much a protege of Klaus Schulze, so often gets dismissed as KS clone - I say often but nobody talks about him so maybe not!

First album is kind of primitive, mostly home recorded, the long track on the second side isn't very good but the rest of it's not bad - the first track is really like Klaus Schulze! Second album he seemed to be trying to get away from the KS comparisons with bland shorter tracks on side one and then promptly bollocksed it up by sounding more like KS than ever on the second side - another sidelong track, and, wow, it's fucking great and has the advantage over KS of not being 28 minutes long for no apparent reason. Third album was apparently a stinker, haven't heard it. The end.

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Saturday, 4 May 2019 11:19 (eleven months ago) link

Achim Reichel is doing a "greatest hits" tour this year. I'm not sure whether I should go. Probably not

Duke, Saturday, 4 May 2019 12:46 (eleven months ago) link

AR did some shows playing early stuff last year, I think? Reports were fairly positive IIRC, perhaps generous given the unlikelihood. He ain't Berlin school, though ;-)

Armand Frippanino (Noel Emits), Saturday, 4 May 2019 15:38 (eleven months ago) link

If anybody's interested in new(ish) bands doing this style, check out Camera's first two albums, Radiate! (punctuation in original) and Remember I Was Carbon Dioxide. On their later releases they got a little too into writing songs, but the first two albums were great, punky Neu! worship. They used to play unannounced shows in the subways and stuff, apparently.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 4 May 2019 16:22 (eleven months ago) link

I saw improptu Camera performances in the Berlin subway twice back in '12. I uploaded a video of them playing and getting stopped by the cops to YT back then, may still be up.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 4 May 2019 17:36 (eleven months ago) link

Yes, they were awesome.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 4 May 2019 17:36 (eleven months ago) link

The Rudiger Lorenz releases are great, there's a box set reissue on VOD and I think some have been reissued separarely, surprised he hasn't been mentioned here already.

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Sunday, 5 May 2019 07:10 (eleven months ago) link

I watched part of Stalker last night, by Andrei Tarkovsky. Released in the USSR in 1979, the soundtrack is total Berlin School. If you like the sound of Eraserhead, The Conversation, or any of the TD-scored movies like Sorceror, I strongly recommend Stalker, and the Stalker soundtrack by Eduard Artemyev/

3×5, Sunday, 5 May 2019 13:29 (eleven months ago) link

seven months pass...

Another Klaus Schulze production and a good one is "Cycles" by Wolfgang Bock, from 1979. Sequencers, mellotrons, drums, sounds a bit like Klaus Schulze, without the tracks all being 30 minutes long. Nice cover too.

https://img.discogs.com/WjEXxd-hvPIKlZcvMI8Qqaze31A=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-1240184-1374247398-4354.jpeg.jpg

Soup on my lanyard (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 December 2019 09:34 (three months ago) link

three months pass...

Totally grooving to You's "Electric Day" album today:

Electric Day's first track is *so strong*, the rest of the album just passes me by. But wow, that first track, an all-timer.

The title track *is* astounding, and impossible not to move around when listening to, but the rest of the album is great, taking you on a cosmic journey, and the reissue bonus tracks are intriguing.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 19:57 (two weeks ago) link


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