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For those of you who have quite a few CDs, but now nearly always download:

Will you bother trying now to sell off your existing CDs?
Will you leave them as a record of 80s/90s to early 00s buying?
Will you continuing buying CDs selectively alongside downloading, for reasons of completing certain artists or genres?

paulhw, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 17:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

1. Oh, sure. I keep trying to reduce using the rule of 'if I get another CD I sell at least one back if not more.' It helps that I always get some credit at Amoeba, sometimes a surprising amount.

2. I guess? A lot of stuff that would serve as a very honest record is long since purged.

3. Yup, but via taking advantage of their nearly-flat value. Amoeba again is very good for this -- their clearance section is always stuffed with good finds amid the crud, I can pick up an armload for a song (almost literally in some cases).

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 17:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

1) Nope or at least not more than I ever did.

2) Uh not exactly.

3) I don't download very much and I still buy CDs and the occassional piece of vinyl.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 17:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

am getting it down to about 150 left which i guess i'll keep on shelves for a while before just donating them. they never get played once ripped.

blueski, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 17:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I picture Ned strolling into Amoeba, reciting a few bars of "Englande" and the guys behind the counter just give him a shopping cart and say "go for it."

kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Selling them all seems like a daunting and infuriating task, so I'll probably keep them, but only out of laziness.

John Justen, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeah, i've got a few boxes of old stuff in the closet that i can't bear to sell for pennies, yet i'm sick of taking them somewhere to have them cherry pick a couple good ones and refuse the rest.

Jordan, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i'm keeping mine just in case a neutron bomb comes along and fries everyone's hard drives. (but, uh, not the cd players)

also, it's good to have cds around to loan to friends. it's easier than zipping up and uploading an entire album, and while sharing entire hard drives is in theory the best thing to do, it doesn't happen that often

i've never sold cds, so i won't be starting now.

Billy Pilgrim, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i still buy cds.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

(a) Too much trouble.
(b) I suppose, but they serve more of a function than that.
(c) Yes.

While downloading is invariably simpler, quicker, cheaper, etc., I'm still a sucker for the tactile artifact. I like liner notes, lyrics, cover art, all that. I'll download stuff I'm curious about, but if I really like it, I'll still buy the disc.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i'd love to get rid of everything, but i'm just not good enough at backing shit up to trust it.

Jordan, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i wouldn't really part with them unless i had one of those fancy things that lets you use your mp3s on a good stereo, but it's like i just picked u a real nice old NAD cd player for only $30 off craigslist so why bother.

plus yeah like ned said it's gonna be sweet in the next few years, lots of crewsh older stuff for dirt cheap.

although...it is weird seems like some CDs are really picking up in value on ebay, out of print stuff...

M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yeah I don't see anything that indicates that rare CDs are any less valuable then they ever were.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I am keeping my cds because I want backups in case I have hard drive failure. Even with two hard drive copies of my music, I prefer to have the backup. Also, I may want to rip at a higher bitrate later once hd prices come down.

Euler, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm going to keep my CD's in case I ever need to build a fortress of solitude out of them, Jor-El stylee

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

a) no, except for ones i get sick of.
b) no
c) i download tracks and sometimes albums, but if i really like what i'm hearing i'll buy it in CD or vinyl form. artwork, liner notes, etc.

i'll never say never though, because maybe someday in the distant future i'll sell everything and have it all digitized.

omar little, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm keeping my CDs.

I'm too lazy to sell and also I have a suspicion that some kind of new digital format will emerge (MP5?) that will make MP3s sound tinny and useless, and that I'll want to re-rip my CDs.

Bob Six, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I still buy cds and vinyl. I will keep them all unless I needed the money.
I barely download now, but like always, I still try to buy what I downloaded as long as I liked it.

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

im continuing! cd's are beautiful

Surmounter, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

1. No, never.
2. I will keep them as the art objects/media that they are.
3. Until I can buy whole albums from iTunes or Amazon as .wav files, I will continue buying essential CDs.

Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

A lot of good reasons to hang onto CDs in this thread. I still enjoy cases and liner notes and having a good thing around to throw my disposable income at. In a lot of ways, I also find them easier to store and maintain than digital music, where you need at least two forms of backup and need to keep an organized file/folder structure together if you're going to find stuff easily. Finally, I still can hear the difference between reasonably good-quality CDs and mp3s, and with formats, storage methods, etc. changing frequently keeping CDs around seems like less of a long-term headache.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'll still buy a lot, taking advantage of the lower cost and because I like having the little cardboard boxes from Caiman in the post to look forward to after returning from work.

I keep the price stickers on my CDs, and it amazes me just how much I was paying for music in the 90s. £15 - £16 for some CDs was not unusual.

Bob Six, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ridic

Surmounter, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

its like 12 bux tops for me now. unless its brand new and too good

Surmounter, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'll continue keeping 100s of cds in a sock drawer which I occasionally pull out for a car ride. I wont sell them. But I oughta clean them all. I hate when a cd skips and I hate how I lost some of my cds even though I dont listen to any of my cds much. But I did lose Roxy Music - The Early Years and Tangerine Dream - Rubycon. I broke Thrakattak. And I can't remember what else at the moment. Kinda sucks. Kinda not.

CaptainLorax, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Those of you who sell off your CDs, someday your hard drive is gonna fail. If you're lucky, you'll have it backed up to another drive. But then that one could fail as you're trying to dump it to your new hard drive. Then I will point and laugh.

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i hate that too, captain -- i'm actually making a list of CD's i have that are too scratched up/missing. i replace a few ever year

it's like i just realized how to properly take care of a cd.

Surmounter, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Fastnbulbous accurate enough, which is why the CDs I sell back are the ones I never listen to, or have only heard once and thought, "Nice" and never went back to at all. Ergo, why keep 'em around?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I moved into a new place two months ago and never bothered taking my CDs out of their boxes. I have a few lying around that I've bought recently, but there's no real reason for me to have them out, since the majority are on my iTunes/iPod, anyway.

Back when I started to download albums, I told myself that if I really liked something I downloaded I'd buy it on CD. But then it just seemed silly to go to the trouble of buying it, only to put it on a shelf and forget about it as soon as it was out of its shrink wrap.

Now the albums I buy are the ones I simply can't find online. I don't use p2p, but I can find most major new indie releases on a couple of choice websites or through friends. So what I buy ends up being not necessarily indicative of what I'm really excited about. A lot of times this amounts to used CDs I stumble across and take a chance on.

jaymc, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Those of you who sell off your CDs, someday your hard drive is gonna fail.
This is exactly right — CDs have become nothing more than backup.

Jazzbo, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 19:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

http://www.sevenoaksart.co.uk/images/record1.gif

ian, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 19:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

1) nah, I'm the kind of person who saves everything
2) ???
3) I never exclusively bought CDs, it was always a mix of vinyl, cassette (back in the day), or mp3 formats. I see no reason why this will change for me in the near future.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 19:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

1) too lazy really - and they're not worth that much anyway
2) never completely stopped buying vinyl, so it's not even an accurate record
3) I''ve bought maybe 6 cds this year and maybe 300 LPs (and some cassettes, second hand for the car)

sonofstan, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 19:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Also, I may want to rip at a higher bitrate later once hd prices come down.

yeah i thought about that. A couple weeks ago I embarked on digitizing my collection, starting with albums I didn't like that much; I ripped ~ 30 cds @ 320 which is fine for those but my main collection I'm probably gonna want to do in flac or whatever for posterity but i haven't done the math on what i'll need for space. I got 2 500G drives on black friday and I was gonna send one back but maybe I won't. than again i've been latched to rhapsody pretty hard lately and soon even the mp3s might be ancillary to how i'm listening to music. so much up in the air.

tremendoid, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 20:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

soon as I'm satisfied with backing up, and keeping the habit, I'm selling all my CDs. I need the space and I need the money.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 20:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i've sold all of my cds. still buy vinyl, which i also sell sometimes. while it's impractical, it retains its value better (and escalates in value far more often) and is more 'fun'. sue me

resolved, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 20:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I keep the price stickers on my CDs, and it amazes me just how much I was paying for music in the 90s. £15 - £16 for some CDs was not unusual.

We still quite frequently pay $25-$35 AUD for some CD albums in this country. And they wonder why ppl use torrents.

Trayce, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

resolved, did you just rip your CDs into FLAC format and keep them on your hard drive or something?

three handclaps, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i ripped the ones that deserved it to FLAC + mp3 (for ipod), most of them just to variable rate mp3. and then a lot i just sold without bothering.

resolved, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Will you bother trying now to sell off your existing CDs?

maybe. next year I might be compelled to "monetize" my vinyl collection.

Will you leave them as a record of 80s/90s to early 00s buying?

hate to say it but after sitting there unplayed for awhile they just take up space.

Will you continuing buying CDs selectively alongside downloading, for reasons of completing certain artists or genres?

Barely. I stream music on my computer, listen to old CDs less & less often. CDs/itunes I buy as gifts.

m coleman, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

First off, CDs are still the primary way i listen to music, and I don't download very often.

1.) I'll hang onto my CDs for a long, long time, until they rot away (none of them have). I stopped selling back CDs a few years ago, because I tend to regret it later on. I used to regularly purge my collection of stuff if I hadn't played it in awhile, but there are too many CDs that I'm kicking myself now for selling then.

Plus, it always killed me when I tried to sell stuff that I knew was of really high musical quality or that someone would love to have, and the clerk would offer a pathetic couple of bucks (usually less!) for it. Most used stores never offer very much for CDs, and now when I think about it, the best offer I've ever received (about $3 for a CD, not common at all) is just not worth it to me. I'd rather hang on to the album, sorry, then take your 50 cents.

2. I'll keep my CDs as much more than just a record of this particular time, as they have fucking music on them!!

3. I'll probably buy CDs for quite a while. As others have mentioned, there are so many good finds on used CDs right now, it's great. So much stuff that I would never expect to find in used shops. It's only going to get better over the next few years, too.

Mark Clemente, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Newbury Comics usually gives about $3 per CD.

three handclaps, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

1) No - mainly because CDs are not worth much now, particularly when trying to trade them in at a record store.

2) Most of the CDs I listen to regularly have been ripped now, but I'll keep them as a backup and also because of the possibilty of ripping in higher quality formats/higher bitrates later.

3) I still buy CDs sometimes but nowhere near as often as I used to - I've gone from half a dozen a week in 2001 to a couple a month now. But if I see a box set at a cheap price I'll probably buy it.

snoball, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Those of you who sell off your CDs, someday your hard drive is gonna fail. If you're lucky, you'll have it backed up to another drive. But then that one could fail as you're trying to dump it to your new hard drive. Then I will point and laugh.

I've never had a hard drive die on me ever before. Meanwhile in that time a lot of my records and CDs got damaged in a flood. Life's funneee.

blueski, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I wonder how homeowner's insurance would cover a hard drive filled with burned FLACs. Are you just screwed or could you reasonably claim the full value of replacing them on iTunes or whatever?

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i sold them on amazon btw, the run of the mill ones at least. you get a lot more money that way if you're prepared to go to spend an hour going packing/going to the post office every few days.

resolved, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

x-post
but when your hd dies it's all gone. and the probability is much higher than all your cds being destroyed at once...

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

word. i'm still reeling from getting over £30 for a tatty Sasha & Digweed CD. xp

what is with you hd-failure doomsayers? you have to fuck a hd up pretty bad before the data on it is completely irretrievable.

blueski, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh I'm just curious from an insurance standpoint. Like what if someone broke into your house and stole your HD. Can you only claim the HD or could you reasonably claim the cost of replacing the MP3s (I just talked to my boss-a former underwriter--and he's gonna find out for me)?

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 22:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

once i had a hd which seemed perfectly ok. but suddenly it crashed. it had been formatted a couple of megabytes too high. when i reached the limit it was all over.

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 22:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Looks like it's still up here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z1lqe3b4npusqnv/ENO%20-%20Alphons%20Sinniger.mp4?dl=0

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 22:14 (one week ago) Permalink

oh, nice, thanks! I was playing the crap out of Warm Jets in the fall and didn't know about this video.

The 'everything ever all the time' hypothesis does rely on some sort of currently unthinkable global rights-holder coordination. It is funny to think that obscure digital titles may eventually be some of the most obscure media of all -- like the above Eno thing. I'm sure I've paid for such little indie films in the pre-Kickstarter era that I would have no idea where to find right now, that never got distributed on disc. Hope I have them on a backup somewhere! Probably not.

maffew12, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 23:27 (one week ago) Permalink

download and/or streamrip early. download and/or streamrip often.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 6 December 2018 06:15 (one week ago) Permalink

holy shit @ that Eno doc btw

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 00:08 (one week ago) Permalink

ha, I'm glad it got a little revive! it is amazing.

sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 01:56 (one week ago) Permalink

"cds are as digital as the cloud, vinyl isn't"

(new) vinyl = CDs, meaning that the information pressed on a vinyl record nowadays is probably digital.

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 7 December 2018 04:34 (one week ago) Permalink

vinyl doesn't become digital just because the master was. the medium dictates whether the information it contains is analogue or digital. continuous grooves in a platter are analogue, discrete pits and lands in a shiny disc are digital

you can make an 100% identical copy of a cd just like you can exactly transcribe a book word for word but if you feed the output of a vinyl player to an ADC you get a slightly different signal each time

pedantry over, sorry, here's a cool article on the challenges of digital preservation of movies:
http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/2012/02/13/pandoras-digital-box-pix-and-pixels/

chihuahuau, Friday, 7 December 2018 13:55 (one week ago) Permalink

sure, but if you press vinyl from the original analog tapes there (can be) greater dynamic range than if you press from a digital source as I understood it, plz correct me i I'm wrong. I think there are real reasons that "mastered from the original tapes" is a selling point.

sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:02 (one week ago) Permalink

Vinyl and CD require different mastering processes. With vinyl, bass frequencies need to be centered, and heavy bass near the inner groove can make things muddy (or so mastering engineers have told me).

I don’t believe it makes any difference to the dynamic range if vinyl is mastered from an analog or digital source. But if vinyl is mastered from the same master used for the CD — or if it’s mastered from an actual CD (as majors have been known to do) — it’ll sound less-than-great, because it’s not mastered from a source optimized for vinyl.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:20 (one week ago) Permalink

that makes more sense, thx

sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:21 (one week ago) Permalink

There definitely can be real reasons why “mastered from the original tapes” is a selling point, like if there are nth-generation “masters” floating around that the record (CD or vinyl) had been mastered from for however many years. iirc (and I may be wrong about this), In The Court Of The Crimson King had used a not-great master for years until it was finally remastered from the original tapes in 2009 or so.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:42 (one week ago) Permalink

the whole point of mastering for a particular format is that you optimize for that format. the source is just the source. the higher quality it is the better. often that means the original tapes but it doesn't have to. unless i'm missing something?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:52 (one week ago) Permalink

I think "purely analogue" LPs these days are quite rare — a new pressing advertised as a remaster from the original tapes probably has a high-resolution digital intermediary, unless it's specifically says otherwise.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:58 (one week ago) Permalink

And of course the original tape may have deteriorated, e.g., the Hoffman forums were full of complaints about dropouts and other problems on some of the latest Bowie reissues, which I believe used the original tapes (at least where they exist).

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:00 (one week ago) Permalink

tracer otm

analogue tapes have lesser dynamic range than redbook (cd) audio, about 13bit. vinyl has less than that.

it doesn't matter if a vinyl is mastered from a digital or analogue tape source because both exceed its capability

chihuahuau, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:18 (one week ago) Permalink

thanks, I see now where I got that mistaken idea from (bad CD mastering):

Despite the lower dynamic range and signal-to-noise ratios a vinyl or tape record can achieve in theory (60-80 dB versus 90-96 dB for CD recordings), vinyl records may still be preferred for their greater dynamic range in practice because of aggressive dynamic range compression used for CD audio material (see Loudness war), however unless the vinyl release specifically notes a vinyl mastering credit it is safe to assume it uses the same dynamically-challenged master as the digital versions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_analog_and_digital_recording

sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:21 (one week ago) Permalink

PONO-Mastered Vinyl Or GTFO

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 7 December 2018 17:23 (one week ago) Permalink

I think "purely analogue" LPs these days are quite rare

Tony Allen - The Source (2017) was a fully analogue (AAA) vinyl release. There can't be many others.

mike t-diva, Saturday, 8 December 2018 13:46 (six days ago) Permalink

Vinyl has a very pleasant signature sound, midrangey, sight supression highs, they were using the DiscComputer in the process in the early 80s, having some digital in the process doesn't negate the fact that a record that's well mastered for vinyl can sound amazing

I still think a great record on a great setup is the greatest, though many people never actually hear that anymore

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 8 December 2018 13:51 (six days ago) Permalink

they buy it and put it on the shelf in one of those dumb plastic frames on the wall

fixed that for u

― sleeve

are you making fun of me for decorating my hallway with framed versions of every cover variant of "fate for breakfast"

dub pilates (rushomancy), Saturday, 8 December 2018 15:17 (six days ago) Permalink

Kim Deal is 100% analog, from recording to vinyl. She calls it All Wave.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 8 December 2018 15:32 (six days ago) Permalink

There's a series of Blue Note vinyl reissues that are all-analog, pressed at 45rpm, and very expensive.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 8 December 2018 15:49 (six days ago) Permalink

xxp I actually learned from this thing that All Nerve was mixed in Pro Tools.

cwkiii, Monday, 10 December 2018 03:29 (four days ago) Permalink

what a betrayal! I just threw my copy off the balcony. JK it's a fantastic album and sounds great in my car

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 10 December 2018 03:46 (four days ago) Permalink

Obviously, there are reasons for trying to maintain an all-analog chain aside from any supposed resolution/dynamic range benefits (which, as pointed out above, are likely not true anyway; 24-bit recording+mixing dithered/noise-shaped for 16-bit playback beating just about any tape/vinyl ever made on that score). I think at the Kim D end of things, it's about immediacy and performance and purposely not having the fallback of being able to endlessly edit/comp/shift/etc.

Talking of old formats, I set up a secondhand Pioneer CD Recorder for someone this weekend, popped in a CD-R to dub an LP for the car and realised... it only takes "music" CD-Rs! Remember those? RIAA et al's attempt to add copyright levies for home recording before everyone had burners in their PCs. There's a little code burned into the pre-groove wobble that you can't replicate with software, so I guess I need to find some of these blasted discs. Looks like they're about £90p each. (It will play computer-burned CD-Rs just fine, as, post-finalisation, they just look like regular CDs to the machine).

Michael Jones, Monday, 10 December 2018 11:14 (four days ago) Permalink

haha oh man.

the music industry's ingenuity at stopping people listening to their product is really something else

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 December 2018 11:24 (four days ago) Permalink

I did mean 90p, not £90 up there, in case that wasn't clear. Still, that's 6x the price of yr regular CD-Rs. Managed to find a spindle of ten Maxell CD-RWs ("for Music") for a tenner but...the reviews are split on whether these actually work on standalone recorders or not. The late '90s were *great*. Hacking MiniDiscs so they could store 85min of music... and then sheepishly taking yr deck back to the shop because was making a terrible grinding noise as a result.

Michael Jones, Monday, 10 December 2018 11:45 (four days ago) Permalink

Mike I think I have "music" CDrs knocking about from the days when I had a CD recorder, if you only need (literally) one or two?

Tim, Monday, 10 December 2018 12:03 (four days ago) Permalink

Aw, thanks! I have been looking on Pam's behalf and there do seem to be some eBay deals to be had (e.g. 25x discs for £8). It may be that she'll never use this feature but it would be great to get a disc and see how well it works.

Michael Jones, Monday, 10 December 2018 13:30 (four days ago) Permalink

The Super Audio CD I wanted was Return To Forever - Music Magic but I'll just get an earlier version.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 10 December 2018 13:39 (four days ago) Permalink

thread of the decade

maffew12, Monday, 10 December 2018 13:42 (four days ago) Permalink

xpost to Mike

If you have a "music" CD-RW you literally only need one.

I ended up with one of these as it was cheap in Richer Sounds the day I went in to replace a CD player and one you've recorded the stuff onto a 'proper' disc you can copy that straight off to a cheap CD-R and reuse it for recording in the player.

I ripped a number of 7"s using it and the results were fine but I found the level setting a bit clunky and not particularly accurate.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Monday, 10 December 2018 13:43 (four days ago) Permalink

I set up a secondhand Pioneer CD Recorder for someone this weekend, popped in a CD-R to dub an LP for the car and realised... it only takes "music" CD-Rs! Remember those?

Hah, my Dad had one of those Pioneers, but I had indeed forgotten that it needed special discs.

(Should still have one of those Pioneers, except it stopped working about 15 years ago, so he took it to the local hi-fi shop who said they could fix it but they had to order a spare part in... and they just kept the thing and never got back in touch. I still bear a grudge about this even though neither of us have any use for the thing any more.)

I think 90p is a lot cheaper than they were at the time btw. I recall paying about £3 a pop. But at least then you could get them in a physical shop and not pay for postage. Don't think I have any blanks left, but I'll check the drawer where all the other stacks and spindles of CD-Rs have gone unused for a decade...

(xpost with aldo's cunning trick - damn, why didn't I think of that? nice work)

a passing spacecadet, Monday, 10 December 2018 13:48 (four days ago) Permalink

Yeah, I did think about just going vinyl>CD-RW>rip to computer>burn to cheap CD-R but, tbh, those extra steps are probably enough to discourage Pam from ever using it as a "tape recorder for the car". I think this thing has sat in a friend's garage since the early '00s; she's happy that it just works as a playback device (old CD player - actually a Sony DVD player from 2002 - had failed and cheap CD separates actually not easy to find now).

Michael Jones, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:59 (four days ago) Permalink

I think my CD player has finally died, time for a new one. Gotta make sure it has the inset tray for the 3-inch ones, you can't rip those on a laptop so I have to do them analog style into the CDR recorder.

sleeve, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:03 (four days ago) Permalink

I've ripped 3" CDrs on me laptop. I mean they just clip on to the spindle thing line full size jobbies.

The First (Noel Emits), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:07 (four days ago) Permalink

*like

The First (Noel Emits), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:07 (four days ago) Permalink

I've heard that they can come loose? I have been afraid to try, I need my laptop CD drive in good working order.

sleeve, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:09 (four days ago) Permalink

the spin rate is higher/faster for laptop ripping than it is for regular CD players aiui

sleeve, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:09 (four days ago) Permalink

every laptop and PC I've ever owned has the inset tray for 3" CDs?

Colonel Poo, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:09 (four days ago) Permalink

mine is an "air drive", just a slot that sucks them in

sleeve, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:10 (four days ago) Permalink

Macbook

sleeve, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:10 (four days ago) Permalink

ah well, that's what you get with Apple isn't it

Colonel Poo, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:14 (four days ago) Permalink

The real horror of all digital media becoming unusable in a post apocalyptic / EMP scenario is we'll have no way to accoustically counter wondering bands of dystopian gothic folk troups. Paper cones aren't going to cut it either.

The First (Noel Emits), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:15 (four days ago) Permalink

vinyl doesn't become digital just because the master was. the medium dictates whether the information it contains is analogue or digital. continuous grooves in a platter are analogue, discrete pits and lands in a shiny disc are digital

And what comes out of a CD player or computer is ultimately analogue despite the storage medium being digital. Not that I think you were saying otherwise at all. It's a *complete* recreation of the sampled waveform within the frequency range (half the sampling frequency) according to maffs.

The First (Noel Emits), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:21 (four days ago) Permalink

i think the EMP already happened and ilx rebooted or something. i feel like we had all these discussions like 15 years ago on here.

andrew m., Monday, 10 December 2018 17:28 (four days ago) Permalink

The real horror of all digital media becoming unusable in a post apocalyptic / EMP scenario is we'll have only
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niels, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:29 (four days ago) Permalink

lolll

andrew m., Monday, 10 December 2018 17:30 (four days ago) Permalink

just get an external cd / dvd drive, you can find one for like $40 now.

akm, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 22:44 (three days ago) Permalink


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