'Arr ferk the nun inna jesuz bluud . . .DONKEY ! '
― Geordie Racer, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Johnathan, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― alex in nyc, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Classic? Beyond classic, fucking godlike more like. Try the _Live Seeds_ album, _Kicking Against the Pricks_ or _Let Love In_.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
There's been a real shift in how Cave is perceived. When I first started reading the press he was always treated as this borderline nutter goth smack freak, now he's an Important Figure, and in between there was this oh-it's-another-Nick-Cave-album period, which would always qualify the "He's good" with a big "But". I think that got it right, pretty much.
A handful of stunning tracks though - "Mutiny In Heaven", "Tupelo", "The Mercy Seat", "The Ship Song", "Do You Love Me?", "Stagger Lee". So surely not a dud.
― Tom, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dr. C, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― the pinefox, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link
The Good Son proved the leonard cohen territory was his ie a very well structured running sequence, and ambience that almost saves also-rans like "weeping song", but he dropped the ball on Henry's Deam so badly that i really haven't been able to bother much since
I mean there are a few songs on Let Love In, but for me that's as patchy as the album that preceeded it (Henry)
i believe he can only do so many really good ballads though, and that he's revisited those same ballads so often with the recent albums
i say there're have been so few rock songs that i can count them -- "The good son" & "the hammer came down", "Long time man", "Jangling Jack", "John Finn's wife" -- that's one or at most two good rock songs for each of those albums ! (oh "papa won't save you Henry", "who will be the witness", "jack the ripper", "weeping song" all lousy songs, such rock-by-numbers stuff, will not save him)
go back to your funeral my trial for the whole range, great title track ballad through the true freak-show feel of "The Carny", (better than anything the residents had produced for oh, so-long), and then the great whine-o-drone of "long time man" and the succinct birthday party punch of "scum" -- a classic album, from when Cave had to produce decent stuff to keep his job and maintain and propogate his reputation
"Murder Ballads" a great Aussie cash-in for then career dwindlings of Kylie and Nick (and what an unexpected couple !! proving they're both really show-biz and contenders for legit. rock star -- i thought Cave had some outsider cred -- maybe this was needed to break the concept to new audiences ?? it worked i suppose, but just a big-budget re-rendering of "long time man" idea to me)
ok the birthday party and early bad seed stuff didn't get the easy pay-checks the concept and oomph of their mere presence deserved as real-life art in the public eye, sogood luck to him for those initial flashes of real brilliance
maybe he'd be best served by a "greatest rock songs" and "greatest 'love' songs" double greatest hits, and then save those good songs for singles and forget the nine-yards albums
(ie you should not produce a whole filled out album if you don't have enough good songs)
― george gosset (gegoss), Thursday, 26 June 2003 13:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 June 2003 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― otto midnight, Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 26 June 2003 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tijn, Thursday, 26 June 2003 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link
I've only heard three Cave solo tracks: his cover of Neil Young's "Helpless," which I love, his cover of the Beatles, "Let It Be," which I despise, and that song "I'll Love You Till The End Of The World," which is pretty nice. I'm guessing people would recommend The Good Son as the place to start checking out his solo work? From Her To Eternity?
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 July 2003 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link
I trust many of you already know what my full first name is.
Mmm hmm.
So, um, what about my opinion regarding Nick Cave? Well, when you're able to selfishly claim that song for yourself, what other answer can you have but CLASSIC? All those naysayers can just kiss me. And Momus? I happen to like Kylie Minogue, too. She comes from a magical little place with little elfin fairies who spread their pixie dust all across this land. What do you say about Kylie's collaborations with the Manic Street Preachers? MSP also like Kylie.
But back to Nick Cave. Classic. A surprising one, too, considering how little I actually care for country. But I like this brand of graveyard country rock. And damn, I need to play "City of Refuge" now.
― Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link
What do you think of The Bad Seeds? Surely you must like them... ?
I'm going to listen to my namesake song again.
― Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:59 (eighteen years ago) link
I may be new and not know shit but I do know I don't like this kid at all.
― ben welsh (benwelsh), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Clay, Monday, 14 July 2003 03:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:47 (eighteen years ago) link
No, I really like it as well.
― Clay, Monday, 14 July 2003 03:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Clay, Monday, 14 July 2003 03:55 (eighteen years ago) link
whatever
no
― duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 05:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 05:17 (eighteen years ago) link
The last record of his I bought was "Murder Ballads" and I didn't really like it much and at the time was getting into some different music. I've been curious about the last three, but not enough to search them out.
― earlnash, Monday, 14 July 2003 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― kelly denison-cole (dustjacket), Monday, 14 July 2003 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 14 July 2003 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link
Did you check out Aereogramme by the way?
― Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:40 (eighteen years ago) link
Goodness I'd forgotten about this. I've barely digested Ghosteen. Is it a tough one to get into? I suppose it doesn't matter, I should get it.
― Duke, Tuesday, 29 June 2021 22:26 (ten months ago) link
It's not tough, mainly just pretty.
― aphoristical, Tuesday, 29 June 2021 23:05 (ten months ago) link
it's probably most similar to skeleton tree, but i prefer it to that
― ufo, Tuesday, 29 June 2021 23:47 (ten months ago) link
he has no fucking clue what his songs are about
what does this even mean
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 09:33 (ten months ago) link
this? https://www.theredhandfiles.com/such-a-beautiful-sad-song-carnage/
― StanM, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 09:54 (ten months ago) link
oh wait - avoid clicking on that link at all costs!
― StanM, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 10:05 (ten months ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/news/nick-cave-and-the-bad-seeds-announce-b-sides-and-rarities-part-ii-share-song-listen/
oh this seems really interesting - there weren't much in the way of non-album tracks from the last few albums released so there's a ton of completely unreleased outtakes & alternate versions here it seems like
― ufo, Thursday, 19 August 2021 23:56 (nine months ago) link
The limited edition 7-LP vinyl box sold out already. Knowing Nick and his one-night-only films and never-to-be-repeated online shows, I'll just get a copy when it gets a general release.
I had the original 3-CD version that went up the 2000s or something, and I sold it cos it was basically a black box with 3 CDs in it. No notes, booklet, nothing. It didn't feel any different from owning a bunch of burnt discs. So anyway, I can't wait to get it back on vinyl plus the new stuff for £140 haha.
― Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 20 August 2021 12:58 (nine months ago) link
opium tea from the first b-sides one is class!!
― maelin, Friday, 20 August 2021 23:51 (nine months ago) link
has anyone been to see cave & ellis on this tour yet? am i to expect a playthrough of carnage, or...? i bought tickets thinking it was the bad seeds!
― maelin, Sunday, 22 August 2021 09:34 (nine months ago) link
don't think the tour's started yet. i would be expecting most of the new album + a bunch of bad seeds & maybe grinderman tracks in some sort of relatively stripped down form
― ufo, Sunday, 22 August 2021 10:05 (nine months ago) link
they're performing with one extra musician & some backing singers, to give you an idea of how stripped down it'll be compared to the bad seeds
― ufo, Sunday, 22 August 2021 10:15 (nine months ago) link
They added a load of extra dates, including Glasgow, but at £90 for any decent seat I'm going to give it a miss.
― Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 25 August 2021 09:31 (eight months ago) link
Nick has more thoughts about woke culture
https://www.nme.com/news/music/nick-cave-says-hes-repelled-woke-cultures-self-righteous-belief-lack-humility-2557386
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:50 (six months ago) link
Ugh.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:55 (six months ago) link
stfu old man
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:21 (six months ago) link
“Antifa and the Far Right, for example, with their routine street fights, role-playing and dress-ups are participants in a weirdly erotic, violent and mutually self-sustaining marriage, propped up entirely by the blind, inflexible convictions of each other’s belief systems. It is good for nothing, except inflaming their own self-righteousness."
Actually Nick, one side is more propped up by the police. And it's not a marriage, you might be thinking of Batman and the Joker.
― Chris L, Friday, 29 October 2021 19:23 (six months ago) link
oh this is actually the same stupid one I saw before, at least he didn't write a new one
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:25 (six months ago) link
Yeah that's the one from 2019, which doesn't make it good or anything, I was just expecting an even dumber doubling down or something.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:29 (six months ago) link
^^ same
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:31 (six months ago) link
nick cave and the bad screeds
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:36 (six months ago) link
oh sorry i missed the date :(
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:46 (six months ago) link
no worries, definitely worth another round of mockery
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Friday, 29 October 2021 20:01 (six months ago) link
modern classics or dud?
https://i.imgur.com/TVoASfg.jpg
― bad luck banging, or Lorna Doone (sic), Thursday, 10 March 2022 06:48 (two months ago) link
samples are here. I have to say I'm not encouraged
https://www.juno.co.uk/products/nick-cave-sings-the-modern-classics/846639-01/
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:17 (two months ago) link
ok actually the 2nd track sounds kinda good. "disco 2000" sounds dire. "sweetest embrace" sounds like kicking against the pricks style lounge classic, as does "suzanne" though honestly is there really call to cover "suzanne" some more, or "here comes the sun" for that matter
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:22 (two months ago) link
Are these new recordings or is this just a covers comp?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:30 (two months ago) link
It's a bootleg
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:31 (two months ago) link
sure, but what are the sources here? the instrumentation, based on the samples, sounds largely from a single session
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:35 (two months ago) link
Someone should email that photo to Cave's fan question thingie - he'll probably cringe and make a good joke about it.
― birdistheword, Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:46 (two months ago) link
All The Pretty Horses sounds ripped straight from the track on the Current 93 album that Cave sang on.
Same with Cave singing Disco 2000 from the Pulp Bad Cover Version EP
so i'm guess it's a comped bootleg of obscure covers
― Stop the tape I got spittle all over my moustache. (Talcum Mucker), Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:48 (two months ago) link
(Not to digress, but has anyone been to the current tour with Warren Ellis?)
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Thursday, 10 March 2022 16:23 (two months ago) link
JCLC you might enjoy TOWERS OF SONG: a Nick Cave Sings Covers listening thread and poll
― bad luck banging, or Lorna Doone (sic), Thursday, 10 March 2022 17:40 (two months ago) link
His Disco 2000 is lovely.
― Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 10 March 2022 20:10 (two months ago) link
I love the Pulp cover as well - and it makes sense when put in context with the Bad Cover Version ep
― fpsa, Thursday, 10 March 2022 22:57 (two months ago) link
I don't even have a functioning turntable currently but I had to grab one off Discogs. I'll frame it if nothing else.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 10 March 2022 23:10 (two months ago) link
they added a second show in Oakland and I thought about going, there are still decent seats, but it's pretty pricey (as is every major tour these days). Not sure; I love Cave and at one point wouldn't have thought twice, but his cultural dominance in the past few years has been a little tiring to me. I'm sure it will be great though; I saw him with just Ellis many years ago and it was one of the best shows I'd ever seen up to that point in time.
― akm, Thursday, 10 March 2022 23:53 (two months ago) link
those are all previously released covers. i can't tell if that collection it's an actual bootleg or they're just trying to make it seem like one as a bit - i guess stores like juno mightn't be stocking it if it was actually unauthorised (?), but there's no mention of it from any official source. looks like it first got released last year, and the label it's on ("b-vis") doesn't seem to meaningfully exist and is alternatively described being from spain or poland.
― ufo, Friday, 11 March 2022 01:16 (two months ago) link
gotta be one of the best crowd reaction shots ever pic.twitter.com/rXguEzDMMd— Sam Fishell (@SamFishell) March 9, 2022
― bad luck banging, or Lorna Doone (sic), Saturday, 12 March 2022 06:00 (two months ago) link
stores like j***
Generally don't seem to be sticklers about that kind of thing, let's say.
― feed me with your clicks (Noel Emits), Saturday, 12 March 2022 11:18 (two months ago) link
Awful news, his second son Jethro has passed away. How much tragedy can someone endure.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/nick-caves-son-jethro-has-died-aged-31-3221399
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Monday, 9 May 2022 15:00 (one week ago) link
Oh no, that's horrendous. I have a family friend who lost both of their children at similar ages - one early in college, then years later the other at 30 due to COVID. More painful than what I can imagine.
― birdistheword, Monday, 9 May 2022 15:04 (one week ago) link
the article says he only learned that Cave was his father at age 8. Not sure how close they were.
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 9 May 2022 16:54 (one week ago) link
(he was, iirc, born a few days after Cave’s first son.)
― Yul Brynner film festival on Channel 48... (sic), Monday, 9 May 2022 17:08 (one week ago) link
From the Pitchfork article, sounds like they had grown closer after that:
Lazenby was born in Melbourne, Australia, in 1991, but said that he did not meet his father until he was about 7 or 8. Cave said in 2008, “To my eternal regret, I didn’t make much contact with Jethro in the early years, but I now have a great relationship with him.”
How incredibly sad.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 9 May 2022 17:14 (one week ago) link
Never followed him much, but this one got me, and seems appropriate today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc7mDChiiNU
― dow, Monday, 9 May 2022 17:59 (one week ago) link
ugh god that is awful
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 May 2022 18:07 (one week ago) link
i don't think that's his second son, it was his first son; the twin of the one who passed away is still alive.
― akm, Monday, 9 May 2022 22:57 (one week ago) link
his oldest son Luke is still alive ie “first” sonjethro secondthen the twins
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 00:23 (one week ago) link
Sounds like Jethro and Luke are virtually the same age, both born in April/May 1991. Reports today suggest Jethro was older by 10 days.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 00:41 (one week ago) link