Nick Cave : Classic or Dud ?

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O.K. so I've only listened to 'Tender Prey ' and 'The Best of ' - so I don't know if he's got any better but I found them patchy for someone who's said to be such a great songwriter. I know he's been influential but when asked about my musical faves - they'll be invariably called Nick Cave copyists - which may be true but I like them MORE.WHAT SHOULD I LISTEN TO TO CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE

'Arr ferk the nun inna jesuz bluud . . .DONKEY ! '

Geordie Racer, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

CLASSIC! I'll concede that his last two albums (new one included) haven't been as exciting as some of his previous work, but I personally feel his songwriting has remained top-drawer. That said, however, I truly miss the fire and brimstone of his more energetic work. To my ears, the last truly great album of his was MURDER BALLADS. While essentially a collection of covers, it showcases Cave & the `Seeds' range pretty nicely...from the cinematic to the savage. I'm also a huge supporter of the live album, LIVE SEEDS, recorded on the HENRY'S DREAM tour. The live renditions of tracks like "Papa Won't Leave You, Henry" and "John Finn's Wife" (among others) actually improve on the studio versions, I feel. Hands down, however, my favorite album of his remains THE GOOD SON. I'd also urge you to go pick up the "best-of" by the Birthday Party (Cave's previous outfit) dubbed HITS, which finds Nick in a much more aggressive vein. In any event, I truly feel that no matter how histrionic he may be, there is turly no one like him.

Alex in NYC, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Birthday Party one of the greatest groups ever. His solo stuff, up to and including Tender Prey, all classic. Since then, a little patchy. I thought Let Love In and The Boatman's Call were both marvellous; Murder Ballads and Henry's Dream were a mixture of the good and the overblown. I think he's relying on his style and charisma a bit too much these days, but then he must be around 40, so he's kept it up pretty well over the years. The Mercy Seat is certainly one of the greatest records ever made.

Johnathan, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

In all fairness to the man, he's now a middle-aged father of an eight- year old. It's probably a bit harder (and less exciting) to be a frightwigged, bedraggled harbinger of squallor when you've reached this point in your life.

alex in nyc, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

.. that is - unless you're the Geordie Racer !

Geordie Racer, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was duly fortunate to catch the man in concert not three weeks ago in LA -- he opened with a solo piano version of "West Country Girl" that was loud, pissed off, mean and beautiful all at once. Age, etc. hasn't slowed him down at all. The show itself was utterly brilliant -- just him, piano, Warren Ellis, the Dirty Three drummer and Susan Stenger on bass, and it was amazing. The solo rearranged version of "Papa Won't Leave You Henry" is my number one 'must have an mp3 of it *NOW*' track right at present.

Classic? Beyond classic, fucking godlike more like. Try the _Live Seeds_ album, _Kicking Against the Pricks_ or _Let Love In_.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Your mileage may vary with Nick Cave, as I've found out, even amongst Nick Cave fans. We were sitting around at a local record store, talking music (good place for it, I guess), when Nick Cave's recent albums became part of the conversation, and favourite Cave record also crept in. I ventured Let Love In as my personal favourite, which often tends to be scoffed at by people who prefer the earlier, bleaker material. One of the guys there went so far as to say I wasn't a "true" Nick Cave fan, whatever the hell that means. I think you can pull something from almost all of his albums, but I find Let Love In and The Good Son to be compelling, and Tender Prey to be a great record as well. Hell, I even liked Boatman's Call.

Sean Carruthers, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wouldn't call him a dud but I don't think he's the classic songwriter he's now painted as - he seems to carry this great Romantic Artist burden around with him which is a bit quaint and on, say, the Boatman's Call when he seems to try and get serious it comes over as rather fusty. Interestingly in the new Mojo he's a very sympathetic interviewee - he seems very dissatisfied with Boatman's Call and generally squirmy when the interviewer flatters him.

There's been a real shift in how Cave is perceived. When I first started reading the press he was always treated as this borderline nutter goth smack freak, now he's an Important Figure, and in between there was this oh-it's-another-Nick-Cave-album period, which would always qualify the "He's good" with a big "But". I think that got it right, pretty much.

A handful of stunning tracks though - "Mutiny In Heaven", "Tupelo", "The Mercy Seat", "The Ship Song", "Do You Love Me?", "Stagger Lee". So surely not a dud.

Tom, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sorry, Ned, but totally Dud. I especially dislike Cave's stifling seriousness and the ham-fisted band. The Birthday Party were dire also - they just couldn't get close to the lowdown, dirty drug n' murder blues. Sad thing was, they THOUGHT they could.

Dr. C, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Major major dud.

the pinefox, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
I prefer NC to the Birthday Party. Also, this has probably been discussed elsewhere but Mick Harvey's Gainsbourg albums are very nice.

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link

i think Cave's only got a few sorts of songs he can do well, so it's been lots of repeating himself for me -- and most of his albums have great songs on them plus substantial tracts of filler

The Good Son proved the leonard cohen territory was his ie a very well structured running sequence, and ambience that almost saves also-rans like "weeping song",
but he dropped the ball on Henry's Deam so badly that i really haven't been able to bother much since

I mean there are a few songs on Let Love In, but for me that's as patchy as the album that preceeded it (Henry)

i believe he can only do so many really good ballads though, and that he's revisited those same ballads so often with the recent albums

i say there're have been so few rock songs that i can count them -- "The good son" & "the hammer came down", "Long time man", "Jangling Jack", "John Finn's wife" -- that's one or at most two good rock songs for each of those albums ! (oh "papa won't save you Henry", "who will be the witness", "jack the ripper", "weeping song" all lousy songs, such rock-by-numbers stuff, will not save him)

go back to your funeral my trial for the whole range, great title track ballad through the true freak-show feel of "The Carny", (better than anything the residents had produced for oh, so-long), and then the great whine-o-drone of "long time man" and the succinct birthday party punch of "scum" -- a classic album, from when Cave had to produce decent stuff to keep his job and maintain and propogate his reputation

"Murder Ballads" a great Aussie cash-in for then career dwindlings of Kylie and Nick (and what an unexpected couple !! proving they're both really show-biz and contenders for legit. rock star -- i thought Cave had some outsider cred -- maybe this was needed to break the concept to new audiences ?? it worked i suppose, but just a big-budget re-rendering of "long time man" idea to me)

ok the birthday party and early bad seed stuff didn't get the easy pay-checks the concept and oomph of their mere presence deserved as real-life art in the public eye, so
good luck to him for those initial flashes of real brilliance

maybe he'd be best served by a "greatest rock songs" and "greatest 'love' songs" double greatest hits, and then save those good songs for singles and forget the nine-yards albums

(ie you should not produce a whole filled out album if you don't have enough good songs)

george gosset (gegoss), Thursday, 26 June 2003 13:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not going to adress all yr points, most of which I disagree with, but I've never really understood the bad rep of 'Henry's Dream'. It's really his most succesful 'eclectic' album since and 'tender prey'. As said upthread, the songs sound even better on the fantastic 'Livce Seeds' album. 'Plain Gold Ring' is a gem on that one..

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 June 2003 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think it's at all surprising that he dated Kylie, because in its own dark, reverent way his material is just as generic, conservative, synthetic and lifeless as hers.

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

at his show in chicago last week it struck me that nick reminds me of a dark-souled neil diamond for the alt rock set. and i mean that in the very best way possible.

otto midnight, Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

so momus, of all people, is saying that nick cave is conservative: nothing shocks me anymore.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 26 June 2003 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link

His stuff is utterly brilliant, including his last couple of albums. Nocturama is among his best, and No More Shall We Part may lack heavy punkish stuff but at times it suits the mood better than anything else. For me, Your Funeral... My Trial, The Good Son, and Let Love In just manage to top those last two.

Tijn, Thursday, 26 June 2003 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I'm reading his biography The Bad Seed again, so I threw on my copy of the B-Day Party's Hits, and I must confess it gets a little old after awhile. I prefer the recent live album I've got over it, but I'm curious if the full-length B-Day Party albums play better than the compilation does (better paced, maybe?).

I've only heard three Cave solo tracks: his cover of Neil Young's "Helpless," which I love, his cover of the Beatles, "Let It Be," which I despise, and that song "I'll Love You Till The End Of The World," which is pretty nice. I'm guessing people would recommend The Good Son as the place to start checking out his solo work? From Her To Eternity?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 July 2003 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link


I trust many of you already know what my full first name is.

Mmm hmm.

So, um, what about my opinion regarding Nick Cave? Well, when you're able to selfishly claim that song for yourself, what other answer can you have but CLASSIC? All those naysayers can just kiss me. And Momus? I happen to like Kylie Minogue, too. She comes from a magical little place with little elfin fairies who spread their pixie dust all across this land. What do you say about Kylie's collaborations with the Manic Street Preachers? MSP also like Kylie.

But back to Nick Cave. Classic. A surprising one, too, considering how little I actually care for country. But I like this brand of graveyard country rock. And damn, I need to play "City of Refuge" now.

Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link

big bad dud, the birthday party were dud too altho they had a couple of cool bass lines

duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link

jesus kylie has chose some rotten people to collaborate with for "rock" cred or whatever she was doing, the manic street preachers suck the dog too

duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:15 (eighteen years ago) link

duane how could you?!? rowland s howard is a gtr hero of mine

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:16 (eighteen years ago) link

when i saw them he was the worst thing about it, he just played on hi treble & tried to hurt people because he was sick cause they couldnt get any gear in christchurch

duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link

that's what i love about roly poly

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link

fuckin spoiled brat, the correct thing to've done wouldve been to not even show up for the gig & actually put some real effort into trying to cop

duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Uh, duane, the Manics contacted Kylie first, way back in 1991 or somesuch. It wasn't until years later that Kylie wanted to do anything with them. The Manics have gone on the record as being fans of Kylie's music, even the teenypop '80s years.

What do you think of The Bad Seeds? Surely you must like them... ?

I'm going to listen to my namesake song again.

Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link

RSH lives just round the corner from me. his face seems to have partially melted off

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Dud. He lost is instantly when the Birthday Party broke up. ADMIT IT!!! Tracy Pew was always the cool one.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Dud. He lost it instantly when the Birthday Party broke up. ADMIT IT!!! Tracy Pew was always the cool one.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

ooops, double post, sorry

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think it's at all surprising that he dated Kylie, because in its own dark, reverent way his material is just as generic, conservative, synthetic and lifeless as hers.
-- Momus

I may be new and not know shit but I do know I don't like this kid at all.

ben welsh (benwelsh), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:59 (eighteen years ago) link

nar Rowly is still a legend!! he did a great gig a few years ago with a version of Lou reed's "Oh Jim" that sent shivers (fnarr) every which way

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:02 (eighteen years ago) link

dude totally lives off the royalties to "Shivers" i'm sure

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, sorry Jim, forgot about Rowly. The cover to 'Prayers on Fire'. Two drop dead cool human beings. Melbourne was right about something after all.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic. I love everything from the Birthday Party up through the new solo stuff. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that No More Shall We Part is his best, most consistant record since Prayers on Fire.

Clay, Monday, 14 July 2003 03:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Am I the only one who likes Henry's Dream?

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Am I the only one who likes Henry's Dream?

No, I really like it as well.

Clay, Monday, 14 July 2003 03:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Is that what your album is going to be like then?

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't follow you. Are you thinking of someone else?

Clay, Monday, 14 July 2003 03:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Uh, duane, the Manics contacted Kylie first, way back in 1991 or somesuch.


What do you think of The Bad Seeds? Surely you must like them... ?


duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 05:13 (eighteen years ago) link

i shouldntve posted that it just sounds rude & mean, sorry. but nick cave is 1 of my top unfavourites.

duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 05:17 (eighteen years ago) link

One very positive thing about Nick Cave's solo records, even from the start is that they sound quite good. In the past couple of weeks I have been going back and listening to "My Funeral, Your Trial", "The First Born Is Dead", "Tender Prey" and "Kicking Against The Pricks"; listening to these on headphones has really made me further appreciate the arrangements and production.

The last record of his I bought was "Murder Ballads" and I didn't really like it much and at the time was getting into some different music. I've been curious about the last three, but not enough to search them out.

earlnash, Monday, 14 July 2003 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link

The new one is pretty damn good, I think, if a little more mellow than usual.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:02 (eighteen years ago) link

But, it should be said, it's not "Boatman's Call" mellow. It's more, like, AAA mellow. It's nice, though.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link

my old roommate tim had bad luck with the ladies during the couple years my wife and i shared a big ol house on the hills above ithaca ny. with him. so he spent alot of the time in the bars, where as i was happily ensconced drinking at home and being married. tim and i were both cooks but i mostly did days and he mostly did nights. if you have ever worked nights in a restaurant you know how tought it can be to wind down when you start your work day at like 3 in the afternoon and get done at 11 at night it takes alot of booze. but it was the same for me as well, only, i started at 8am and started drinking after shift at 4 so my sleep cycle was more "normal". anyways, about twice a month he would come home smashed and depressed. the walk to our house was up a huge painfull hill that only got the blood and alchohol flowing thru the sysetem. depressed and womanless he would crank up some nick cave and sit on his bed and stare at the floor and mumble along with the lyrics, blacked out of his mind. it was a barometer for his smashedness, if i heard nick at night then i knew tim would only have vague recolections of the night before. fortunetly tim is the kinda guy that no matter what he does you just cant get mad at him. i donno why. it was a blessing and a curse to have him as a roommate. just like nick cave- a blessing and a curse. ive never bought any of his records
but ive wished i was him now and then. hes crazy!!. i dont know why his pulpy voodoo shtick never worked for me- i mean i love screamin j hawkins, the cramps, misfits, t. waits- all that kitchy shit but nick annoys me. last week my wife and i went up to prospect park here in brooklyn to see a free show under the stars at the bandshell. it was a tribute to lenoard choen with
linda thompson, laurie anderson, marc ribot, nick cave, and loundon wainwright. all the heavy hitters. it was pretty boring,
or maybe i im pretty boring. sonic youth and wilco were better the night before in central park.

kelly denison-cole (dustjacket), Monday, 14 July 2003 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

CLASSIC if just for the *awesome* cover of "Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart" on Kicking Against The Pricks. I'll admit I stopped listening after Henry's Dream , but everything up to that was super. Plus, he let me beat him at pool once.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 14 July 2003 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Stupid (that is the poster's name) had asked for some thoughts on this abortive thread. Well here are some thoughts of mine for you. Offhand I would say either Tender Prey or Let Love In as a starting point.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks Ned, I'd already checked your reviews on allmusic out (I always do, you're rarely wrong I find: Cranes, The Wedding Present, Disco Inferno... the list of bands you've unwittingly set me up to love is growing every week), I was just looking for a few more opinions. Those two certainly sounded appealing, I guess I'll start with those then. Cheers, once again.

Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Yer welcome. Hope you didn't mind the thread lock-and-redirect, but I didn't want to lose Scott's opinions either.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I pretty much posted that so that someone would show me to the old one I couldn't find, so it's all good.

Did you check out Aereogramme by the way?

Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Goodness I'd forgotten about this. I've barely digested Ghosteen. Is it a tough one to get into? I suppose it doesn't matter, I should get it.

Duke, Tuesday, 29 June 2021 22:26 (ten months ago) link

It's not tough, mainly just pretty.

aphoristical, Tuesday, 29 June 2021 23:05 (ten months ago) link

it's probably most similar to skeleton tree, but i prefer it to that

ufo, Tuesday, 29 June 2021 23:47 (ten months ago) link

he has no fucking clue what his songs are about

what does this even mean

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 09:33 (ten months ago) link


StanM, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 09:54 (ten months ago) link

oh wait - avoid clicking on that link at all costs!

StanM, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 10:05 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...

oh this seems really interesting - there weren't much in the way of non-album tracks from the last few albums released so there's a ton of completely unreleased outtakes & alternate versions here it seems like

ufo, Thursday, 19 August 2021 23:56 (nine months ago) link

The limited edition 7-LP vinyl box sold out already. Knowing Nick and his one-night-only films and never-to-be-repeated online shows, I'll just get a copy when it gets a general release.

I had the original 3-CD version that went up the 2000s or something, and I sold it cos it was basically a black box with 3 CDs in it. No notes, booklet, nothing. It didn't feel any different from owning a bunch of burnt discs. So anyway, I can't wait to get it back on vinyl plus the new stuff for £140 haha.

Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 20 August 2021 12:58 (nine months ago) link

opium tea from the first b-sides one is class!!

maelin, Friday, 20 August 2021 23:51 (nine months ago) link

has anyone been to see cave & ellis on this tour yet? am i to expect a playthrough of carnage, or...? i bought tickets thinking it was the bad seeds!

maelin, Sunday, 22 August 2021 09:34 (nine months ago) link

don't think the tour's started yet. i would be expecting most of the new album + a bunch of bad seeds & maybe grinderman tracks in some sort of relatively stripped down form

ufo, Sunday, 22 August 2021 10:05 (nine months ago) link

they're performing with one extra musician & some backing singers, to give you an idea of how stripped down it'll be compared to the bad seeds

ufo, Sunday, 22 August 2021 10:15 (nine months ago) link

They added a load of extra dates, including Glasgow, but at £90 for any decent seat I'm going to give it a miss.

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 25 August 2021 09:31 (eight months ago) link

two months pass...


Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:55 (six months ago) link

stfu old man

Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:21 (six months ago) link

“Antifa and the Far Right, for example, with their routine street fights, role-playing and dress-ups are participants in a weirdly erotic, violent and mutually self-sustaining marriage, propped up entirely by the blind, inflexible convictions of each other’s belief systems. It is good for nothing, except inflaming their own self-righteousness."

Actually Nick, one side is more propped up by the police. And it's not a marriage, you might be thinking of Batman and the Joker.

Chris L, Friday, 29 October 2021 19:23 (six months ago) link

oh this is actually the same stupid one I saw before, at least he didn't write a new one

Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:25 (six months ago) link

Yeah that's the one from 2019, which doesn't make it good or anything, I was just expecting an even dumber doubling down or something.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:29 (six months ago) link

^^ same

Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:31 (six months ago) link

nick cave and the bad screeds

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:36 (six months ago) link

oh sorry i missed the date :(

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:46 (six months ago) link

no worries, definitely worth another round of mockery

Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Friday, 29 October 2021 20:01 (six months ago) link

four months pass...

modern classics or dud?

bad luck banging, or Lorna Doone (sic), Thursday, 10 March 2022 06:48 (two months ago) link

samples are here. I have to say I'm not encouraged

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:17 (two months ago) link

ok actually the 2nd track sounds kinda good. "disco 2000" sounds dire. "sweetest embrace" sounds like kicking against the pricks style lounge classic, as does "suzanne" though honestly is there really call to cover "suzanne" some more, or "here comes the sun" for that matter

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:22 (two months ago) link

Are these new recordings or is this just a covers comp?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:30 (two months ago) link

It's a bootleg

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:31 (two months ago) link

sure, but what are the sources here? the instrumentation, based on the samples, sounds largely from a single session

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:35 (two months ago) link

Someone should email that photo to Cave's fan question thingie - he'll probably cringe and make a good joke about it.

birdistheword, Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:46 (two months ago) link

All The Pretty Horses sounds ripped straight from the track on the Current 93 album that Cave sang on.

Same with Cave singing Disco 2000 from the Pulp Bad Cover Version EP

so i'm guess it's a comped bootleg of obscure covers

Stop the tape I got spittle all over my moustache. (Talcum Mucker), Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:48 (two months ago) link

(Not to digress, but has anyone been to the current tour with Warren Ellis?)

deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Thursday, 10 March 2022 16:23 (two months ago) link

sure, but what are the sources here? the instrumentation, based on the samples, sounds largely from a single session

JCLC you might enjoy TOWERS OF SONG: a Nick Cave Sings Covers listening thread and poll

bad luck banging, or Lorna Doone (sic), Thursday, 10 March 2022 17:40 (two months ago) link

His Disco 2000 is lovely.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 10 March 2022 20:10 (two months ago) link

I love the Pulp cover as well - and it makes sense when put in context with the Bad Cover Version ep

fpsa, Thursday, 10 March 2022 22:57 (two months ago) link

I don't even have a functioning turntable currently but I had to grab one off Discogs. I'll frame it if nothing else.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 10 March 2022 23:10 (two months ago) link

(Not to digress, but has anyone been to the current tour with Warren Ellis?)

they added a second show in Oakland and I thought about going, there are still decent seats, but it's pretty pricey (as is every major tour these days). Not sure; I love Cave and at one point wouldn't have thought twice, but his cultural dominance in the past few years has been a little tiring to me. I'm sure it will be great though; I saw him with just Ellis many years ago and it was one of the best shows I'd ever seen up to that point in time.

akm, Thursday, 10 March 2022 23:53 (two months ago) link

those are all previously released covers. i can't tell if that collection it's an actual bootleg or they're just trying to make it seem like one as a bit - i guess stores like juno mightn't be stocking it if it was actually unauthorised (?), but there's no mention of it from any official source. looks like it first got released last year, and the label it's on ("b-vis") doesn't seem to meaningfully exist and is alternatively described being from spain or poland.

ufo, Friday, 11 March 2022 01:16 (two months ago) link

gotta be one of the best crowd reaction shots ever

— Sam Fishell (@SamFishell) March 9, 2022

bad luck banging, or Lorna Doone (sic), Saturday, 12 March 2022 06:00 (two months ago) link

stores like j***

Generally don't seem to be sticklers about that kind of thing, let's say.

feed me with your clicks (Noel Emits), Saturday, 12 March 2022 11:18 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

Awful news, his second son Jethro has passed away. How much tragedy can someone endure.

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Monday, 9 May 2022 15:00 (one week ago) link

Oh no, that's horrendous. I have a family friend who lost both of their children at similar ages - one early in college, then years later the other at 30 due to COVID. More painful than what I can imagine.

birdistheword, Monday, 9 May 2022 15:04 (one week ago) link

the article says he only learned that Cave was his father at age 8. Not sure how close they were.

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 9 May 2022 16:54 (one week ago) link

(he was, iirc, born a few days after Cave’s first son.)

Yul Brynner film festival on Channel 48... (sic), Monday, 9 May 2022 17:08 (one week ago) link

From the Pitchfork article, sounds like they had grown closer after that:

Lazenby was born in Melbourne, Australia, in 1991, but said that he did not meet his father until he was about 7 or 8. Cave said in 2008, “To my eternal regret, I didn’t make much contact with Jethro in the early years, but I now have a great relationship with him.”

How incredibly sad.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 9 May 2022 17:14 (one week ago) link

Never followed him much, but this one got me, and seems appropriate today:

dow, Monday, 9 May 2022 17:59 (one week ago) link

ugh god that is awful

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 May 2022 18:07 (one week ago) link

i don't think that's his second son, it was his first son; the twin of the one who passed away is still alive.

akm, Monday, 9 May 2022 22:57 (one week ago) link

his oldest son Luke is still alive ie “first” son

jethro second

then the twins

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 00:23 (one week ago) link

Sounds like Jethro and Luke are virtually the same age, both born in April/May 1991. Reports today suggest Jethro was older by 10 days.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 00:41 (one week ago) link

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