Nick Cave : Classic or Dud ?

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O.K. so I've only listened to 'Tender Prey ' and 'The Best of ' - so I don't know if he's got any better but I found them patchy for someone who's said to be such a great songwriter. I know he's been influential but when asked about my musical faves - they'll be invariably called Nick Cave copyists - which may be true but I like them MORE.WHAT SHOULD I LISTEN TO TO CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE

'Arr ferk the nun inna jesuz bluud . . .DONKEY ! '

Geordie Racer, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

CLASSIC! I'll concede that his last two albums (new one included) haven't been as exciting as some of his previous work, but I personally feel his songwriting has remained top-drawer. That said, however, I truly miss the fire and brimstone of his more energetic work. To my ears, the last truly great album of his was MURDER BALLADS. While essentially a collection of covers, it showcases Cave & the `Seeds' range pretty nicely...from the cinematic to the savage. I'm also a huge supporter of the live album, LIVE SEEDS, recorded on the HENRY'S DREAM tour. The live renditions of tracks like "Papa Won't Leave You, Henry" and "John Finn's Wife" (among others) actually improve on the studio versions, I feel. Hands down, however, my favorite album of his remains THE GOOD SON. I'd also urge you to go pick up the "best-of" by the Birthday Party (Cave's previous outfit) dubbed HITS, which finds Nick in a much more aggressive vein. In any event, I truly feel that no matter how histrionic he may be, there is turly no one like him.

Alex in NYC, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

The Birthday Party one of the greatest groups ever. His solo stuff, up to and including Tender Prey, all classic. Since then, a little patchy. I thought Let Love In and The Boatman's Call were both marvellous; Murder Ballads and Henry's Dream were a mixture of the good and the overblown. I think he's relying on his style and charisma a bit too much these days, but then he must be around 40, so he's kept it up pretty well over the years. The Mercy Seat is certainly one of the greatest records ever made.

Johnathan, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

In all fairness to the man, he's now a middle-aged father of an eight- year old. It's probably a bit harder (and less exciting) to be a frightwigged, bedraggled harbinger of squallor when you've reached this point in your life.

alex in nyc, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

.. that is - unless you're the Geordie Racer !

Geordie Racer, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I was duly fortunate to catch the man in concert not three weeks ago in LA -- he opened with a solo piano version of "West Country Girl" that was loud, pissed off, mean and beautiful all at once. Age, etc. hasn't slowed him down at all. The show itself was utterly brilliant -- just him, piano, Warren Ellis, the Dirty Three drummer and Susan Stenger on bass, and it was amazing. The solo rearranged version of "Papa Won't Leave You Henry" is my number one 'must have an mp3 of it *NOW*' track right at present.

Classic? Beyond classic, fucking godlike more like. Try the _Live Seeds_ album, _Kicking Against the Pricks_ or _Let Love In_.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Your mileage may vary with Nick Cave, as I've found out, even amongst Nick Cave fans. We were sitting around at a local record store, talking music (good place for it, I guess), when Nick Cave's recent albums became part of the conversation, and favourite Cave record also crept in. I ventured Let Love In as my personal favourite, which often tends to be scoffed at by people who prefer the earlier, bleaker material. One of the guys there went so far as to say I wasn't a "true" Nick Cave fan, whatever the hell that means. I think you can pull something from almost all of his albums, but I find Let Love In and The Good Son to be compelling, and Tender Prey to be a great record as well. Hell, I even liked Boatman's Call.

Sean Carruthers, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I wouldn't call him a dud but I don't think he's the classic songwriter he's now painted as - he seems to carry this great Romantic Artist burden around with him which is a bit quaint and on, say, the Boatman's Call when he seems to try and get serious it comes over as rather fusty. Interestingly in the new Mojo he's a very sympathetic interviewee - he seems very dissatisfied with Boatman's Call and generally squirmy when the interviewer flatters him.

There's been a real shift in how Cave is perceived. When I first started reading the press he was always treated as this borderline nutter goth smack freak, now he's an Important Figure, and in between there was this oh-it's-another-Nick-Cave-album period, which would always qualify the "He's good" with a big "But". I think that got it right, pretty much.

A handful of stunning tracks though - "Mutiny In Heaven", "Tupelo", "The Mercy Seat", "The Ship Song", "Do You Love Me?", "Stagger Lee". So surely not a dud.

Tom, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry, Ned, but totally Dud. I especially dislike Cave's stifling seriousness and the ham-fisted band. The Birthday Party were dire also - they just couldn't get close to the lowdown, dirty drug n' murder blues. Sad thing was, they THOUGHT they could.

Dr. C, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Major major dud.

the pinefox, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
I prefer NC to the Birthday Party. Also, this has probably been discussed elsewhere but Mick Harvey's Gainsbourg albums are very nice.

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i think Cave's only got a few sorts of songs he can do well, so it's been lots of repeating himself for me -- and most of his albums have great songs on them plus substantial tracts of filler

The Good Son proved the leonard cohen territory was his ie a very well structured running sequence, and ambience that almost saves also-rans like "weeping song",
but he dropped the ball on Henry's Deam so badly that i really haven't been able to bother much since

I mean there are a few songs on Let Love In, but for me that's as patchy as the album that preceeded it (Henry)

i believe he can only do so many really good ballads though, and that he's revisited those same ballads so often with the recent albums

i say there're have been so few rock songs that i can count them -- "The good son" & "the hammer came down", "Long time man", "Jangling Jack", "John Finn's wife" -- that's one or at most two good rock songs for each of those albums ! (oh "papa won't save you Henry", "who will be the witness", "jack the ripper", "weeping song" all lousy songs, such rock-by-numbers stuff, will not save him)

go back to your funeral my trial for the whole range, great title track ballad through the true freak-show feel of "The Carny", (better than anything the residents had produced for oh, so-long), and then the great whine-o-drone of "long time man" and the succinct birthday party punch of "scum" -- a classic album, from when Cave had to produce decent stuff to keep his job and maintain and propogate his reputation

"Murder Ballads" a great Aussie cash-in for then career dwindlings of Kylie and Nick (and what an unexpected couple !! proving they're both really show-biz and contenders for legit. rock star -- i thought Cave had some outsider cred -- maybe this was needed to break the concept to new audiences ?? it worked i suppose, but just a big-budget re-rendering of "long time man" idea to me)

ok the birthday party and early bad seed stuff didn't get the easy pay-checks the concept and oomph of their mere presence deserved as real-life art in the public eye, so
good luck to him for those initial flashes of real brilliance

maybe he'd be best served by a "greatest rock songs" and "greatest 'love' songs" double greatest hits, and then save those good songs for singles and forget the nine-yards albums

(ie you should not produce a whole filled out album if you don't have enough good songs)

george gosset (gegoss), Thursday, 26 June 2003 13:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not going to adress all yr points, most of which I disagree with, but I've never really understood the bad rep of 'Henry's Dream'. It's really his most succesful 'eclectic' album since and 'tender prey'. As said upthread, the songs sound even better on the fantastic 'Livce Seeds' album. 'Plain Gold Ring' is a gem on that one..

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 June 2003 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think it's at all surprising that he dated Kylie, because in its own dark, reverent way his material is just as generic, conservative, synthetic and lifeless as hers.

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

at his show in chicago last week it struck me that nick reminds me of a dark-souled neil diamond for the alt rock set. and i mean that in the very best way possible.

otto midnight, Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

so momus, of all people, is saying that nick cave is conservative: nothing shocks me anymore.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 26 June 2003 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

His stuff is utterly brilliant, including his last couple of albums. Nocturama is among his best, and No More Shall We Part may lack heavy punkish stuff but at times it suits the mood better than anything else. For me, Your Funeral... My Trial, The Good Son, and Let Love In just manage to top those last two.

Tijn, Thursday, 26 June 2003 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I'm reading his biography The Bad Seed again, so I threw on my copy of the B-Day Party's Hits, and I must confess it gets a little old after awhile. I prefer the recent live album I've got over it, but I'm curious if the full-length B-Day Party albums play better than the compilation does (better paced, maybe?).

I've only heard three Cave solo tracks: his cover of Neil Young's "Helpless," which I love, his cover of the Beatles, "Let It Be," which I despise, and that song "I'll Love You Till The End Of The World," which is pretty nice. I'm guessing people would recommend The Good Son as the place to start checking out his solo work? From Her To Eternity?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 July 2003 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link


I trust many of you already know what my full first name is.

Mmm hmm.

So, um, what about my opinion regarding Nick Cave? Well, when you're able to selfishly claim that song for yourself, what other answer can you have but CLASSIC? All those naysayers can just kiss me. And Momus? I happen to like Kylie Minogue, too. She comes from a magical little place with little elfin fairies who spread their pixie dust all across this land. What do you say about Kylie's collaborations with the Manic Street Preachers? MSP also like Kylie.

But back to Nick Cave. Classic. A surprising one, too, considering how little I actually care for country. But I like this brand of graveyard country rock. And damn, I need to play "City of Refuge" now.

Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link

big bad dud, the birthday party were dud too altho they had a couple of cool bass lines

duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link

jesus kylie has chose some rotten people to collaborate with for "rock" cred or whatever she was doing, the manic street preachers suck the dog too

duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:15 (seventeen years ago) link

duane how could you?!? rowland s howard is a gtr hero of mine

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:16 (seventeen years ago) link

when i saw them he was the worst thing about it, he just played on hi treble & tried to hurt people because he was sick cause they couldnt get any gear in christchurch

duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:21 (seventeen years ago) link

that's what i love about roly poly

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:21 (seventeen years ago) link

fuckin spoiled brat, the correct thing to've done wouldve been to not even show up for the gig & actually put some real effort into trying to cop

duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 00:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Uh, duane, the Manics contacted Kylie first, way back in 1991 or somesuch. It wasn't until years later that Kylie wanted to do anything with them. The Manics have gone on the record as being fans of Kylie's music, even the teenypop '80s years.

What do you think of The Bad Seeds? Surely you must like them... ?

I'm going to listen to my namesake song again.

Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:24 (seventeen years ago) link

RSH lives just round the corner from me. his face seems to have partially melted off

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 00:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Dud. He lost is instantly when the Birthday Party broke up. ADMIT IT!!! Tracy Pew was always the cool one.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Dud. He lost it instantly when the Birthday Party broke up. ADMIT IT!!! Tracy Pew was always the cool one.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:58 (seventeen years ago) link

ooops, double post, sorry

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think it's at all surprising that he dated Kylie, because in its own dark, reverent way his material is just as generic, conservative, synthetic and lifeless as hers.
-- Momus

I may be new and not know shit but I do know I don't like this kid at all.

ben welsh (benwelsh), Monday, 14 July 2003 02:59 (seventeen years ago) link

nar Rowly is still a legend!! he did a great gig a few years ago with a version of Lou reed's "Oh Jim" that sent shivers (fnarr) every which way

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:02 (seventeen years ago) link

dude totally lives off the royalties to "Shivers" i'm sure

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, sorry Jim, forgot about Rowly. The cover to 'Prayers on Fire'. Two drop dead cool human beings. Melbourne was right about something after all.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic. I love everything from the Birthday Party up through the new solo stuff. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that No More Shall We Part is his best, most consistant record since Prayers on Fire.

Clay, Monday, 14 July 2003 03:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Am I the only one who likes Henry's Dream?

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Am I the only one who likes Henry's Dream?

No, I really like it as well.

Clay, Monday, 14 July 2003 03:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Is that what your album is going to be like then?

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 14 July 2003 03:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't follow you. Are you thinking of someone else?

Clay, Monday, 14 July 2003 03:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Uh, duane, the Manics contacted Kylie first, way back in 1991 or somesuch.


What do you think of The Bad Seeds? Surely you must like them... ?


duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 05:13 (seventeen years ago) link

i shouldntve posted that it just sounds rude & mean, sorry. but nick cave is 1 of my top unfavourites.

duane, Monday, 14 July 2003 05:17 (seventeen years ago) link

One very positive thing about Nick Cave's solo records, even from the start is that they sound quite good. In the past couple of weeks I have been going back and listening to "My Funeral, Your Trial", "The First Born Is Dead", "Tender Prey" and "Kicking Against The Pricks"; listening to these on headphones has really made me further appreciate the arrangements and production.

The last record of his I bought was "Murder Ballads" and I didn't really like it much and at the time was getting into some different music. I've been curious about the last three, but not enough to search them out.

earlnash, Monday, 14 July 2003 12:56 (seventeen years ago) link

The new one is pretty damn good, I think, if a little more mellow than usual.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link

But, it should be said, it's not "Boatman's Call" mellow. It's more, like, AAA mellow. It's nice, though.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:07 (seventeen years ago) link

my old roommate tim had bad luck with the ladies during the couple years my wife and i shared a big ol house on the hills above ithaca ny. with him. so he spent alot of the time in the bars, where as i was happily ensconced drinking at home and being married. tim and i were both cooks but i mostly did days and he mostly did nights. if you have ever worked nights in a restaurant you know how tought it can be to wind down when you start your work day at like 3 in the afternoon and get done at 11 at night it takes alot of booze. but it was the same for me as well, only, i started at 8am and started drinking after shift at 4 so my sleep cycle was more "normal". anyways, about twice a month he would come home smashed and depressed. the walk to our house was up a huge painfull hill that only got the blood and alchohol flowing thru the sysetem. depressed and womanless he would crank up some nick cave and sit on his bed and stare at the floor and mumble along with the lyrics, blacked out of his mind. it was a barometer for his smashedness, if i heard nick at night then i knew tim would only have vague recolections of the night before. fortunetly tim is the kinda guy that no matter what he does you just cant get mad at him. i donno why. it was a blessing and a curse to have him as a roommate. just like nick cave- a blessing and a curse. ive never bought any of his records
but ive wished i was him now and then. hes crazy!!. i dont know why his pulpy voodoo shtick never worked for me- i mean i love screamin j hawkins, the cramps, misfits, t. waits- all that kitchy shit but nick annoys me. last week my wife and i went up to prospect park here in brooklyn to see a free show under the stars at the bandshell. it was a tribute to lenoard choen with
linda thompson, laurie anderson, marc ribot, nick cave, and loundon wainwright. all the heavy hitters. it was pretty boring,
or maybe i im pretty boring. sonic youth and wilco were better the night before in central park.

kelly denison-cole (dustjacket), Monday, 14 July 2003 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

CLASSIC if just for the *awesome* cover of "Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart" on Kicking Against The Pricks. I'll admit I stopped listening after Henry's Dream , but everything up to that was super. Plus, he let me beat him at pool once.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 14 July 2003 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Stupid (that is the poster's name) had asked for some thoughts on this abortive thread. Well here are some thoughts of mine for you. Offhand I would say either Tender Prey or Let Love In as a starting point.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks Ned, I'd already checked your reviews on allmusic out (I always do, you're rarely wrong I find: Cranes, The Wedding Present, Disco Inferno... the list of bands you've unwittingly set me up to love is growing every week), I was just looking for a few more opinions. Those two certainly sounded appealing, I guess I'll start with those then. Cheers, once again.

Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Yer welcome. Hope you didn't mind the thread lock-and-redirect, but I didn't want to lose Scott's opinions either.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I pretty much posted that so that someone would show me to the old one I couldn't find, so it's all good.

Did you check out Aereogramme by the way?

Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Not sure if anyone else watched Idiot Prayer last night, I was lukewarm on the idea going into it, the whole forced "live event" feel, clunky ticketing processes, solo piano, etc, but man it was really awesome, he did a great/wide selection of Bad Seeds stuff, a couple of Grinderman songs, a new song, all of it was great. The two Ghosteen songs (a record I have really come around on), esp "Galleon Ship", sounded perfect as solo piano jams.

I was hoping for "Wild World" but I'll take "Papa Won't Leave You Henry" any day of the week.

The execution (at least in North America, I know UK & Australia had issues with the stream) was excellent and expensive, I am sure this will get released in wider form at some point

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 24 July 2020 14:34 (nine months ago) link

yeah it was really nice; it was essentially a PPV film since it was made last month, but this made up for the cancelled tour this year. Performances were top notch. Yeah I'm sure this will be available later and likely is already on torrents somewhere; if you streamed this to your computer (which was kind of a pain in the ass) they just hosted it on vimeo and despite the "you can't log in later than start time" you absolutely could, and you could pause and rewind and even start over if you wanted to.

Bjork is doing 4 livestream concerts in August, via dice as well; but these appear to be actual live events. Looking forward to them.

akm, Friday, 24 July 2020 16:20 (nine months ago) link

Wasn't part of the point (and price) that it was a one-off, not to be released at a later date?

(Difficult to imagine that it won't be obviously).

djh, Friday, 24 July 2020 16:21 (nine months ago) link

It was, but the way the thing was shot & recorded it would be insane to think they are just going to sit on it forever.

And yeah despite all the "one time only! basically live event! not really!" hype it was stream-able right away, though I wonder if that had to do with the technical problems that it had in Australia and the UK? Like maybe they decided to be on the safe side and just have be like a normal streaming video.

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 24 July 2020 16:42 (nine months ago) link

And would I be cheesed if it were available later to people who didn't shell out 20 bucks? Not really

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 24 July 2020 16:43 (nine months ago) link

yeah I downloaded this from a torrent site already

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Friday, 24 July 2020 18:15 (nine months ago) link

I would've paid for this if it was actually live and I thought about paying anyway. A couple of his films (the concert one and the one about the previous album) were supposedly one-night only as well, weren't they? I don't really mind all this stuff. As someone who's followed him for a long long time, I have a kind of respect for how fucking skilful he is at making shitloads of money nowadays. Every time he does something like this, I think of his song "Easy Money" - that really nailed it. And I get it - providing for his family and then some is his priority above everything else, fair enough.

Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 24 July 2020 19:16 (nine months ago) link

This is funny:

Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 27 July 2020 13:34 (nine months ago) link

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 09:22 (nine months ago) link

stan culture strikes again

Steppin' RZA (sic), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 09:32 (nine months ago) link

Vol. 1 of a major biography in the works:

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 11:28 (nine months ago) link

Nick Cave seems like someone that would write an exemplary and honest memoir that still manages to elide major events and subjects, like Springsteen did, imo.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 13:51 (nine months ago) link

Did anyone see last week’s solo concert?

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 13:54 (nine months ago) link

Oh nevermind, missed the earlier posts.

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 13:58 (nine months ago) link

crowdfunder for nick:

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 10:56 (nine months ago) link

that follows on an earlier report where apparently people have been calling that piano company telling them to give him a piano; he asked them to stop

akm, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 13:39 (nine months ago) link

these toxic nick cave stans (cave trolls??) are out of control

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 13:41 (nine months ago) link

Looking back at his facetious post:

Now, one of the things you may or may not know about being a famous musician is that companies give you shit for free. The more famous you are, the more shit you get — you just have to wear one of their t-shirts or a branded cap or something.

I'm struck by the thought that if you have to explain a joke to the room, you're in the wrong room. The wit of cult-artist years of songwriting were built around the fact that he never winked. That post needed a winky emoticon, which would further kill the joke, so he shoulda caught himself.

Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 13:52 (nine months ago) link

tbf the internet is mostly one very large wrong room

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 13:59 (nine months ago) link


Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 14:05 (nine months ago) link

crowdfunder for nick:

Nick's response is quite funny, good to see he isn't taking himself too seriously.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:20 (nine months ago) link

one month passes...

And would I be cheesed if it were available later to people who didn't shell out 20 bucks? Not really

― chr1sb3singer, Friday, July 24, 2020 11:43 AM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink

And there it is

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 3 September 2020 13:34 (eight months ago) link

The film is going to be in released in cinemas with extra songs as well.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 3 September 2020 15:19 (eight months ago) link

two months pass...

I'm not one to watch a concert movie, but I just listened to the audio version of Idiot Prayer that was just released as an album and it's kind of the perfect thing to close this really terrible year with.

My only regret is that I cannot listen to it with the biggest Nick Cave fan I knew and one of y best friends, who passed away from cancer almost exactly two years ago.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 20 November 2020 22:36 (five months ago) link

Incidentally, charlie rex has proposed a Cave et al ballot-based poll in coming days. Expect an actual dedicated thread very soon...

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 21 November 2020 12:10 (five months ago) link

omg definitely will participate in that :D

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 November 2020 18:05 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

the upcoming quarantine album is titled Carnage

ufo, Friday, 8 January 2021 03:19 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

Carnage is out now! Cave/Ellis only. sounds great so far.

stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Thursday, 25 February 2021 13:44 (two months ago) link

Seeing there's a new book out on the young NIck Cave
There was a competition on the ROiwland S Howard FB p[age for copies last week.

Stevolende, Thursday, 25 February 2021 13:48 (two months ago) link

i'm kinda surprised this ended up being just a cave & ellis album, was expecting at least some remote contributions from the other bad seeds

those "hand of god" backing vocals make me think of pj harvey

so far it's pretty in line with push the sky away and skeleton tree in sound, except with electronic beats

ufo, Thursday, 25 February 2021 13:57 (two months ago) link

like specifically this feels like the album "animal x" would have fitted on

ufo, Thursday, 25 February 2021 13:57 (two months ago) link

the minor->major shift in "white elephant" is kinda deflating, it was great to hang around with Mean Nick for a few minutes again

stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Thursday, 25 February 2021 14:04 (two months ago) link

yeah but it still rules, wish he snarled the mean part more though. absolutely the highlight so far

ufo, Thursday, 25 February 2021 14:08 (two months ago) link

the first half is a peek into the alternate universe where instead of making the boatman's call he got really into electronic textures in the way so many bands did in the late 90s and tried to make something resembling trip-hop

ufo, Thursday, 25 February 2021 14:12 (two months ago) link

bodes well for the long teased grinderman 3

stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Thursday, 25 February 2021 14:14 (two months ago) link

"what doesn't kill you makes you........crazier" is a pretty classic nick cave capper

stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Thursday, 25 February 2021 14:23 (two months ago) link

cool little album, kinda merges the arc of the last three albums into one

i prefer the moodier first half of the album though, it's more interesting than the second half which sounds beautiful but they did that territory better on ghosteen not too long ago. the first half at least goes to some interesting new places and doesn't mirror skeleton tree & push the sky away as directly

"white elephant" definitely my favourite

ufo, Thursday, 25 February 2021 14:35 (two months ago) link

thanks for the heads up! also liked the first half better, and thought White Elephant sounded like self-parody :)

(obv Cave has always believed that self-parody is nothing to be frightened of)

stilt in the wings (sic), Thursday, 25 February 2021 20:26 (two months ago) link

Hmm, I wonder if "Weird" Al is even capable of self-parody, and how he would go about doing it? I guess like this?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 February 2021 20:49 (two months ago) link

lmao you and your thought exercises <3

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:59 (two months ago) link

I'm delighted she is getting a long, long overdue reappraisal.

I'm also delighted that Mute will be reissuing Sex O’Clock later in 2021, the album's first vinyl release

stirmonster, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 01:36 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

Sad update:

Goodbye lovely Anita, my most magical friend. Will be so missed. Love to all who loved her . 💔✨#anitalane

— Kid Congo Powers (@kidcongopowers) April 28, 2021

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 16:56 (one week ago) link

Oh no! So sad. Such a talent.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 17:38 (one week ago) link

noooo ;_;


terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 19:30 (one week ago) link

went out, found Boy On Fire on the shelf in the local chain newsagent. So bought it despite being broke, cos t was cheaper than I think I'd heard it was elsewhere. (Oh yeah had access beyond the front of the shop to the shelfs that people haven't been near since the start of the year.)
Then got home and heard that Anita who must feature heavily was dead. Sorry to hear that.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 19:40 (one week ago) link

RIP. Had never heard her version of Sexual Healing before ( w / Nick Cave on backup vocals).

curmudgeon, Thursday, 29 April 2021 18:23 (one week ago) link

(Johannes Beck & Moritz Wolpert are credited as the "choir" on that. Barry Adamson plays vibes, though.)

Rob Sheffield obit for Rolling Stone.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 29 April 2021 18:39 (one week ago) link

Memories by Nick:

Standing on the street in a baby-doll dress, surrounded by sunshine, laughing and radiating a piercing beauty of such force you stop breathing.

I could not believe my eyes.

Later, at my kitchen table drawing things, she had a quickness of touch and a clear, light line full of humour, throwing each drawing away and starting another, charged with a rampant, unstable, fatal energy that would follow her all her life. My line, amateur and ponderous.

Everyone wanted to work with her but it was like trying to trap lightning in a bottle. Mick Harvey managed to coral her into the recording studio, but these precious offerings are a fraction of what she was.

She was the smartest and most talented of all of us, by far.

Walked into the most prestigious art college in Australia — on a whim — and talked her way into being given a place there. Bought an easel, some butcher’s paper, some crayons, put on a dress, did her hair and never went back in.

She thought the best ideas were the ones that never saw the light of day.

She was the brains behind The Birthday Party, wrote a bunch of their songs, wrote ‘From Her to Eternity’, ‘The World’s a Girl’, ’Sugar in a Hurricane’ and my favourite Bad Seeds song, ‘Stranger Than Kindness’, but was much more than that.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 30 April 2021 07:21 (one week ago) link

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bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 30 April 2021 07:21 (one week ago) link

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