ex Fleetwood Mac-er Bob Welch

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i've been listening to a few of his albums lately.

"The Other One" from 79 is pretty fucking solid. great songs, great production and a few really tasty grooves that have been picked up on the beardo blog circuit.

French Kiss from 77 isn't as solid, but the good songs are GREAT. there's one w/mick, lindsay and christine that's pretty great. Outskirts is one of the best disco rock songs i've heard in a long time. the rest of the album has a ton of great bits, but hasn't won me over yet. there's a lot of brian wilson worship on here.

anyone else a fan?

jaxon, Wednesday, 21 November 2007 20:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Sentimental Lady" is alright. I've thought about buying French Kiss, but the sleeve scares me.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 21 November 2007 21:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Ebony Eyes" is one of the best Steve Miller songs that Steve Miller had nothing to do with.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 21 November 2007 21:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

that's funny because it's true

jaxon, Wednesday, 21 November 2007 21:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

fleetwood mac version of sentimental lady is better than his solo hit version, no?

gershy, Sunday, 27 January 2008 23:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

yes

he's a songwriter/session player in nashville now or was a few years back when a friend met him there.

m coleman, Sunday, 27 January 2008 23:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

lol, pretty fun song though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnJOsfalSYs

gershy, Monday, 28 January 2008 04:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

here's Outskirts. so amazing http://www.robotsinheat.com/trax/Outskirts.mp3

jaxon, Monday, 28 January 2008 05:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

welch kinda looks like Jame Gumb : \

gershy, Monday, 28 January 2008 05:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

title of "ebony eyes" comes not from the verse or chorus but from a weird bridge that pops up about 2:20 into the song, when it otherwise seems like it's over. trying in vain to think of another song that fits that pattern, though i'm sure there are a bunch out there.

fact checking cuz, Monday, 28 January 2008 05:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

is that valerie bertinelli in the video?

fact checking cuz, Monday, 28 January 2008 05:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

picked up Future Games the other day, title track is so good. really digging the kirwan/welch lineup of FM </beardo>

are the 2(?) records after kirwan got axed but before Buckingham/nicks arrived decent?

gershy, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 06:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

are the 2(?) records after kirwan got axed but before Buckingham/nicks arrived decent?

There's three actually. Mystery To Me is the winner for having "Hypnotized" and a couple of good Christine songs on it. Penguin is OK and I honestly can't remember a single thing about Heroes Are Hard To Find.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 07:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

Heroes Are Hard To Find - that's the one that came out right before the 1975 Fleetwood Mac LP, right?
Well I remember how I heard them both for the first time just a few years ago, and how I (to my considerable surprise) found Heroes Are Hard To Find a much more interesting rekkid than the certainly more lauded '75 alb with Lindsey & Nicks. The latter, to be frank, still sounds to me rather dull...

t**t, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

Heroes are Hard to Find predates an interesting part of Fleetwood Mac's history. Two Bob's -- Weston and Welch left and the band fell apart. The manager signed Mick Fleetwood on, with a reconstituted band including ringers who would later be Stretch, for a tour of the US. Fleetwood didn't show for the first date and then pulled out. The manager just replaced him and put what was effectively a Fleetwood Mac tribute band on the road as Fleetwood Mac. For many of the shows, fans didn't seem to know.

Eventually one of the rock magazines, probably Rolling Stone, got wind of it and blew the whistle, ending the tour.

The ringers went home and after a year or two of hiding out put together Stretch. Stretch's only chart action was a single, "Why Did You Do It?", off their first album, aimed at Mick Fleetwood and the fake FM biz.

Gorge, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

The Stretch members were Elmer Gantry, who from a distance was supposed to be "Bob Welch" and Kirby, who played the part of "Bob Weston."

Gorge, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

Mystery to Me absolutely recommended, especially for anyone who likes a more rocking FM. Personally it's probably my favorite album of theirs these days. Heroes Are Hard To Find isn't the dud I've seen it described as, but it's not a classic. Penguin is pretty forgettable, unless I've missed something.

dlp9001, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

Fleetwood Mac - Mystery To Me

Stormy Davis, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

just discovering french kiss and three hearts for the first time and finding a handful of pretty good glammy/bubblegummy moments, like "hot love, cold world," as well as the disco nuggets noted above.

but mostly wanted to post about the awesomeness of following up this album cover

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/Bob_Welch_-_French_Kiss.jpg

with this one

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/be/3hearts.jpg

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 22:53 (six years ago) Permalink

Church from Three Hearts is awesome. Sometimes he really sounds like Steve Miller

mizzell, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:17 (six years ago) Permalink

cant believe no ones mentioned his website - http://www.bobwelch.com/

just sayin, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 11:27 (six years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7urR1xFH3k

buzza, Monday, 26 September 2011 07:07 (six years ago) Permalink

http://www.bobwelch.com/new_philosophical_ramblings.htm

buzza, Monday, 26 September 2011 07:10 (six years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

Very sad news:

http://www.wkrn.com/story/18730944/former-fleetwood-mac-member-bob-welch-dead

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 June 2012 20:57 (five years ago) Permalink

ugh what a bummer. only recently got into his era of the mac, but really enjoyed it.

tylerw, Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:01 (five years ago) Permalink

fuck.

how's life, Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:02 (five years ago) Permalink

i posted this to a fleetwood mac thread the other day, sweet 1971 clip of Bob Welch era F-Mac

(REAL NAME) (m coleman), Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:08 (five years ago) Permalink

Sad but weird. I was just thinking about him yesterday.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:11 (five years ago) Permalink

Still don't own a one of those mid seventies Mac records.

go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:11 (five years ago) Permalink

they're good!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MUxCzEhLQY

tylerw, Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:12 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah I dismissed solo Bob Welch in the late 70s as too slick but he forged his own style and it's aged surprisingly well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5auuDqHA_lU

(REAL NAME) (m coleman), Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:14 (five years ago) Permalink

Still don't own a one of those mid seventies Mac records.

― go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, June 7, 2012 9:11 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

re this, they are not currently available via itunes, amazon mp3.

how's life, Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:24 (five years ago) Permalink

this really sucks
Title track of future games is top 5 fm songs for me

buzza, Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:27 (five years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3SqYMgKhsk

ALL TIME

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:34 (five years ago) Permalink

sorry! i just really like the Paris albums. but i like the solo albums too. and the mac albums.

scott seward, Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:40 (five years ago) Permalink

i kind of admired welch's willingness to write original songs called "sentimental lady" and "mystery train."

tylerw, Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:52 (five years ago) Permalink

never heard those paris albums! will be digging in.

tylerw, Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:52 (five years ago) Permalink

These Paris tracks have a definite Zep lean. Haven't figured out if it's in a good or bad way yet.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:54 (five years ago) Permalink

'hypnotized' is all-time

omar little, Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:53 (five years ago) Permalink

RIP, and btw ILM, Tusk pales in comparison to Mystery To Me.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/07/bob-welch-dead-fleetwood-mac-gunshot_n_1579166.html?ref=entertainment&ir=Entertainment

dlp9001, Thursday, 7 June 2012 23:27 (five years ago) Permalink

very very sad. RIP BW.

69, Thursday, 7 June 2012 23:33 (five years ago) Permalink

I could have sworn he died last year ...

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 June 2012 23:34 (five years ago) Permalink

Oh, wait, that was Bob Weston.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 June 2012 23:35 (five years ago) Permalink

Helen Daniels effect

Morrissey & Clunes: The Severed Alliance (PaulTMA), Thursday, 7 June 2012 23:48 (five years ago) Permalink

My local paper allowed a rare self-published obit, by Howard Cohen. From what I've heard about the Welch years this is OTM:

Welch’s sound — polished, radio-friendly yet moody and bewitching on songs like Sentimental Lady, Future Games and Emerald Eyes allowed the band to sell a steady 250,000 copies per album, good enough to keep the members signed and on the college touring circuit. More importantly, Welch helped Fleetwood Mac develop its distinctive male-female vocal blend that would prove formidable when Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham replaced him on New Year’s Eve 1975, after he quit.

In that respect, Welch joined Peter Best as rock’s unluckiest man. Best, of course, was the Beatles’ original drummer who toiled in obscurity with the pre-Fab Four before Ringo Starr’s arrival. Within a year of Welch’s departure, Fleetwood Mac hit No. 1 in America in 1976 with an eponymous album.

From that Fleetwood Mac LP, Nicks’ signature smash Rhiannon, which she always introduced on stage as “a song about a Welsh witch,” was a clear extension of Welch’s fascination with the otherworldly — UFOs, strange disappearances in the Bermuda Triangle off the coast of Key Biscayne and ghosts.

Nicks agreed to join Fleetwood Mac, she said, only after listening to Welch’s albums with the group and finding a common mystical thread that she could hear herself fitting into.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/07/2838184/former-fleetwood-mac-guitaristsinger.html#storylink=cpy

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 June 2012 00:16 (five years ago) Permalink

Aw:

Welch’s fame was short-lived. Subsequent albums didn’t sell, and he had a falling out with Fleetwood, later suing his old band mates for back royalties. Welch believes this was one reason for his omission from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1997 when Fleetwood Mac members who were in the band before and after him were inducted.

“The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame thing hurt my feelings, naturally,” Welch said in a 1999 online interview. “Mick (and John McVie and Chris) associate Peter Green with the high flying glory days of their youth, when FM was first breaking out in Europe. They associate Stevie and Lindsey, naturally enough, with the most glamorous, successful and exciting period in FM’s history. They associate my five years with the band, in contrast, with a very difficult time emotionally, which it was. Even though the band survived because of what we went through in that period, it’s not pleasant to think about for them, and so they don’t think about it and pretend it doesn’t exist.”

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 June 2012 00:17 (five years ago) Permalink

That's awful. They let the band decide who goes in? I would think that'd be left entirely in the hands of an induction committee (or voting board...whatever), precisely to preempt such grudge-settling. Not that rock and roll bands are ever afflicted with grudges.

clemenza, Friday, 8 June 2012 00:24 (five years ago) Permalink

From Future Games to Hypnotized to Sentimental Lady, loved his voice a ton. RIP.

Soccer mom, hopeless and lost, in utter despair (Dan Peterson), Friday, 8 June 2012 01:11 (five years ago) Permalink

Future Games, Mystery to Me and Bare Trees are my fave FM albums bar Tusk — slightly uneven but often gorgeous records. Sad news.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Friday, 8 June 2012 01:40 (five years ago) Permalink

Bob Brunning died October 18 2011
Bob Weston died January 3 2012
Bob Welch died June 7 2012

buzza, Friday, 8 June 2012 03:08 (five years ago) Permalink

and then of course i think of the other bob weston when you say bob weston.

scott seward, Friday, 8 June 2012 03:10 (five years ago) Permalink

Bart Herbison, executive director of the Nashville Songwriters Association, quoted his wife Wendy as saying Welch had spinal surgery three months ago and doctors told him he would not get better, and he did not want her to have to care for an invalid.

buzza, Friday, 8 June 2012 03:18 (five years ago) Permalink

"Sentimental Lady" was already a shoe-in for my FM ballot. Side 2 of "Bare Trees" is amazing.

Lee626, Friday, 8 June 2012 03:22 (five years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXcKxJBBDYU

buzza, Friday, 8 June 2012 03:33 (five years ago) Permalink

Future Games is a timeless beauty of an LP. RIP.

Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Friday, 8 June 2012 05:15 (five years ago) Permalink

so yeah, Weston death not "last year", but very much this year -- January.

Two suicides from the 'Mystery to Me' era within months -- one by gunshot, one by alcohol

so sad when you watch how electric that 'Midnight Special' bit is

Stormy Davis, Friday, 8 June 2012 07:55 (five years ago) Permalink

That's awful. They let the band decide who goes in? I would think that'd be left entirely in the hands of an induction committee (or voting board...whatever), precisely to preempt such grudge-settling. Not that rock and roll bands are ever afflicted with grudges.

Here's an interesting article on the whole Hall of Fame thing and some background on the voting process.

Ned Trifle X, Friday, 8 June 2012 07:57 (five years ago) Permalink

I just looked at his website for the first time. Between the ugly layout, the "ARTAGRAPHIC 3D HAND SIGNED FRENCH KISS COLLECTIBLES ...HEY ,IT'S BETTTER THAN BEING IN THE %&%## RNR HALL OF FAME" and the fact that he recently self-released Bob Welch Sings The Best Songs Ever Written ("Alfie," "Moon River" etc.) I'm really feeling for the guy. Add in his obsessions with UFO's and his rants on the music industry, and the whole thing just humanizes him (if that's the right word) in a way I'm having a hard time coming to grips with. Then to learn that he ended his life, facing some sort of paralysis after spinal surgery, I'm just gutted... Hope he's found a safe harbour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a4Kejk97uM

Soccer mom, hopeless and lost, in utter despair (Dan Peterson), Friday, 8 June 2012 13:57 (five years ago) Permalink

christ that website is nuts, totally unreadable.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 8 June 2012 14:44 (five years ago) Permalink

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flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 8 June 2012 14:47 (five years ago) Permalink

poor guy seemed like a mess. :-(

i really like those welch-period mac albums.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 8 June 2012 14:51 (five years ago) Permalink

ah, c'mon. Just becase he does his own website uploading?

Mark G, Friday, 8 June 2012 15:03 (five years ago) Permalink

have you looked at that website????

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 8 June 2012 15:08 (five years ago) Permalink

and he's dead.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 8 June 2012 15:09 (five years ago) Permalink

That clip above with the Peter Green cheese anecdote reminds me so much of an old friend of mine, funny, intense, and yeah, a little crazy.

I had never seen or heard this Kirwan/Welch era Mac tune before today. Shimmery and beautiful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsH7mVmFBec

Soccer mom, hopeless and lost, in utter despair (Dan Peterson), Friday, 8 June 2012 15:37 (five years ago) Permalink

some of the christine mcvie songs from this era are all-time.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 8 June 2012 16:49 (five years ago) Permalink

Bare Trees is a fucking lovely record. Their finest start-to-finish album of the 1971-1974 era Mac for me. Amateurist otm about some of Christine McVie's songs from this era being very good indeed; it's not like her songwriting just appeared fully formed on the 1975 self-titled release, she'd already hit the target more than once or twice before then!

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 8 June 2012 17:10 (five years ago) Permalink

i'm partial to this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwpE42bkfj8

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 8 June 2012 17:48 (five years ago) Permalink

Everybody in this thread vote in the F.Mac ballot poll coming up!

Trey Imaginary Songz (WmC), Friday, 8 June 2012 17:52 (five years ago) Permalink

So if forced to choose one of these Mac-associated hits from the late seventies which would it be:

John Stewart - Gold
Kenny Loggins - Whenever I Call You "Friend"
Bob Welsh - Sentimental Lady

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 June 2012 18:23 (five years ago) Permalink

"Gold" is a masterpiece, the other two are good but John Stewart all day

decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 8 June 2012 18:24 (five years ago) Permalink

Agreed!

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 June 2012 18:33 (five years ago) Permalink

in case anyone's interested, just posted a welch-era live-in-the-studio thing over here: http://ow.ly/bsxpw

tylerw, Friday, 8 June 2012 19:38 (five years ago) Permalink

this album is regarded as one of the mac's lesser efforts but this is an absolutely booming xtine mcvie track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L66GYO73DLY

omar little, Friday, 8 June 2012 19:42 (five years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

Sentimental Lasy just popped up on my Discover Weekly playlist on Spotify – which sent me off looking into Bob.

Not sure it's been mentioned here yet but "Emerald Eyes" is terrific, the chorus has the most amazingly tight harmonies and this great loping piano groove.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 3 December 2015 20:20 (one year ago) Permalink

sweet guitar solo too

brimstead, Thursday, 3 December 2015 20:23 (one year ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

Should've known Seward would rep Paris on here. Just got their s/t and it's a blast. Kind like later Zeppelin but more fun.

"raw buttin' these toilet seats" (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 10 October 2016 22:46 (one year ago) Permalink

Alright, that's a dumb comparison, it's just a kickass fun hard rock album. Check out "Nazarene" man.

"raw buttin' these toilet seats" (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 10 October 2016 22:54 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Since the Mac stuff is now on Spotify, I’d recommend this playlist to the uninitiated:

https://open.spotify.com/user/congainnautica/playlist/6HiN2LtXjN196BJ1bUxygi?si=TWq4k2kZTSOYdFl0ucrQ5A

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 12 November 2017 03:52 (six days ago) Permalink


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