Awesome Audiophile Snake Oil

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http://machinadynamica.com/machina44.htm

J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:05 (twelve years ago) link

lololololol

J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:06 (twelve years ago) link

"The very best sound was obtained when I slightly loosened the screws on the Duplex Covers. And they sound great!!.

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morris pavilion, Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:12 (twelve years ago) link

lolololol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:15 (twelve years ago) link

every product on the site is like New Hope for the Ape-Eared

J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:20 (twelve years ago) link

i love that website! check out this fancy table: http://machinadynamica.com/machina25.htm

it's supposed to isolate your amplifier from vibrations, "especially the 0 -10 Hz variety produced by Earth's crust movement, traffic, subways, tides, etc. "

how a spring could cancel out waves slower than 1 Hz?

elan, Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:38 (twelve years ago) link

but the best is this "teleportation tweak"
http://machinadynamica.com/machina60.htm

elan, Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:44 (twelve years ago) link

everything on there is great but I'm still standing by the Tru-Tone Duplex cover as the most balls-out

J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:50 (twelve years ago) link

oh wait though codename turquoise is pretty fucking rad

J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:00 (twelve years ago) link

Brilliant Pebbles is my favorite one on that site i think

ciderpress, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:13 (twelve years ago) link

From cidepress' link, this was amusing:

"Where most audiophiles would agree, however, is that tweaks are a minor aspect of system building. Defined by the dictionary in Microsoft Word® as "a slight adjustment or change in..."

italics mine.

Clay, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:20 (twelve years ago) link

http://machinadynamica.com/water.gif for brains

scott seward, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:38 (twelve years ago) link

Somewhere, audiophile dude pushes the leather sofa away from the wall, sees four-socket outlet, shrieks.

bendy, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:44 (twelve years ago) link

Well, these are great, but you don't have to spend a lot of money to improve sound:

http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/Free_Techniques/Free_Techniques.html

Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 18 November 2007 04:34 (twelve years ago) link

Holy shit the Teleportation Tweak! We are dealing with <i>balls</i> here, gentlemen. Big, round, shiny balls, of finest brass, lovingly hand-polished to a mirror shine by a taskforce of brilliant Sound Artisans. These balls can be yours for the astonishingly low price of $680 (Big Shiny Brass Balls are not subject to our 30-day money-back guarantee)

Telephone thing, Sunday, 18 November 2007 10:23 (twelve years ago) link

it doesn't actually take any courage to be a con man, is the thing. you just have to really, really hate everybody.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 18 November 2007 19:55 (twelve years ago) link

The interesting thing about these tweaks is that they abandon the pretense of scientific support. Whereas w/ feet for speaker stands in Stereophile or whatever they'll be some physicist explaining how the damping works, here's it's just like, Hey, put this magic clock in the room and it'll improve the sound. I love it.

Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 18 November 2007 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

Sorry, maybe I'm Billy-doesn't-get-it, but is this site real or an elaborate spoof?

Matt #2, Sunday, 18 November 2007 20:40 (twelve years ago) link

I had initially assumed spoof, but I followed some links and poked around and it appears to be real, or at least elaborate enough a spoof to include three or four different sites. Stereophile had an article on some of these tweaks a few years ago anyway:

http://www.stereophile.com/news/10415/

Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 18 November 2007 20:49 (twelve years ago) link

even if it is a spoof there's certainly enough real snake-oil products with extremely similar purposes/explanations

here's a collection of some more: http://www.ilikejam.dsl.pipex.com/audiophile.htm

ciderpress, Sunday, 18 November 2007 21:36 (twelve years ago) link

three weeks pass...

i know someone who swears by this ....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280182123367&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=018

zappi, Thursday, 13 December 2007 15:59 (twelve years ago) link

"extremely flat"

nabisco, Thursday, 13 December 2007 16:10 (twelve years ago) link

I don't even know what "a richer, fuller sound, with less emphasis of detail" means. it's supposed to be a good thing?

bernard snowy, Thursday, 13 December 2007 16:18 (twelve years ago) link

My latest tweak = this chair;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/Photo624.jpg

Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 13 December 2007 16:21 (twelve years ago) link

i'm actually buying a glass platter for my turntable. i might even buy that mat for it. i'm a sucka 4 luv.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 13 December 2007 23:24 (twelve years ago) link

actually the chair i'm assuming was a joke, but honestly i was suprised how much getting speaker stands and "correctly" positioning my chair i listen in and the speakers in the room made a HUGE difference in how good things sounded.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 13 December 2007 23:39 (twelve years ago) link

The chair's totally not a joke; it's expensive and comfortable and easily moved but it's not likely to make me fall asleep in it (no headrest); if I'm comfortable and awake, I can concentrate on listening more. I bought it (almost) with the sole intention of it being a 'headphones' chair.

But yeah, basic physics says position your speakers correctly and sit in the right spot; you simply don't get stereo-imaging without it.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 14 December 2007 07:52 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/audiophiles-cant-tell-the-difference-between-monster-cable-and/

...a coat hanger.

bendy, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 14:56 (twelve years ago) link

that's AMAZING.
audiophiles are some weird people, man.

ian, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 19:57 (twelve years ago) link

actually the chair i'm assuming was a joke, but honestly i was suprised how much getting speaker stands and "correctly" positioning my chair i listen in and the speakers in the room made a HUGE difference in how good things sounded.

-- M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:39 PM

totally true

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 19:58 (twelve years ago) link

actually properly treating one's room acoustically would probably do a better job than moving your chair and speakers about

electricsound, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 22:29 (twelve years ago) link

is there already a company selling audiophile interior house paint?

because if there is, I should start selling audiophile EXTERIOR house paint.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 22:30 (twelve years ago) link

(xpost)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cb/Dbsts2.jpg

snoball, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 23:36 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

I was much, much less impressed with this enormous fucking Naim set-up than I should have been given how much it ought to have cost. Sure it went LOUD, but sound-wise I wouldn't swap it for my own system, I don't think.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/IMG_0126.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/IMG_0128.jpg

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:18 (twelve years ago) link

Is it just perspective on that first photo, or are your speakers nearly at shoulder height?

Rob M v2, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:26 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, no - is that a Cyrus CD player? Or tuner? And why isn't everything on Mana shelves? That's why it doesn't sound that good. And has it been on continuously for five years? Another biggie with Naimists. (Seriously, that doesn't look like a great room for those huge - and amazingly ugly - speakers).

What's the turntable - Nottingham Spacedek or something? Oracle Delphi?

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:27 (twelve years ago) link

mp3s out a old marantz amp someone gave me and 15 y/o bottom of the line cambridge soundworks speakers all day babay

although i did love to read sudiophile magazines when i worked at a bookstore just for the lulz

jhøshea, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:30 (twelve years ago) link

The speakers are nearly to chest height - I'm 5'8".

The Cyrus is just a DAC for his wireless streaming thing. Dunno what the turntable is. The room is big but odd; it's a loft that used to be three bedrooms. There's a (low) double bed behind the speakers, plus a desk, which is where I slept (not the desk) (although that picture was taken at 6am so sleeping wasn't exactly urgent and key that weekend).

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I really wish someone had just given me a peek into my co-habiting/flat in communal block/married-with-kids future when I was handing over the moolah for all my gear in 1996-97. I wish I'd just got something good/2nd-hand with a small footprint (Cyrus CD/integrated, ProAc speakers, something like that; maybe a Pro-Ject record deck, old Marantz cassette deck, NAD tuner, cables from Maplin) and STOPPED there. Think of all the photographic gear I could've bought with the money saved if I'd just contracted that particular hobbyist bug a decade earlier!

(Ah, DAC for wireless streaming; the Naim box-stacking is kinda insane - external power supplies for everything. Makes my Audiolab pre/mono arrangement look positively understated).

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

The speakers are Naim DBLs. They weigh about 15st each. Retail these days at £15k. When he got them, in 2000, they should have been £12k. He got them for £4k cos they were "shop-soiled" - the band he's in had an arrangement with Naim and they'd been using them as a playback set-up when they recorded an album in a country house, and the guitarist's dog had taken a bite out of the bottom corner of one, or something.

I'm kind of glad I've had a brush with stuff that's seriously high-end because it's warned me off a bit. Our flat's not that small, but it's a flat nonetheless, and, you know, I want stuff on the walls and holidays and a new camera and stuff maybe too.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:42 (twelve years ago) link

I think my main response to audiophilia these days is that the best way to make your hi-fi sound great is to play better records on it.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:48 (twelve years ago) link

actually properly treating one's room acoustically would probably do a better job than moving your chair and speakers about

How so?

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:50 (twelve years ago) link

the best way to make your hi-fi sound great is to play better records on it.

b i n g o

Savannah Smiles, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 16:28 (twelve years ago) link

if anyone is looking for really great speakers that won't break your bank....i bought these about a year ago and couldn't be more pleased with them...they are really surprising given the price and size:

Epos ELS 3 mini monitors:

http://www.musicdirect.com/product/73457

i run them with a Cambridge Audio integrated amp w/Cambridge phono pre-amp.....

My turntable is a Rega P1 -- one thing on that i would recommend is buying a glass platter and also i replaced the original ortofon cartridge with a Denon DL 160 cartridge which is a fucking amazing cartridge for the price...

For CD player I run a really really old NAD one that I got off craigslist for $35...it works pretty well, has a hard time tracking CD-Rs but will play them after awhile (it's from 87 though so I guess there weren't even CD-Rs then)

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 16:38 (twelve years ago) link

Post more pics of slobs in garrets seasoned with with ridiculous sound systems and ugly furniture.

Gorge, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 20:18 (twelve years ago) link

I really like the coffee table.

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 20:38 (twelve years ago) link

I think my favourite way / place to listen to music these days, rather than the big sofa and NAD / Cambridge Audio / Tannoy / proper rack & stands set-up in the living room, with everything anchored in a nice triangle, blah blah, equidistant from rear walls, speakers toed in, is the hotch-potch system in the back room, with the knackered Marantz CD, 20-year-old Marantz amp, DAC, and diddy Q Acoustics speakers. Cos I have space, peace, my comfy chair, books, headphones, no TV or console to distract.

Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 8 May 2008 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

Those are the kind of speakers you buy to justify having previously bought Monster Cable.

kenan, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

What's the sensitivity rating on those things? It might be all show, but they certainly look like they could bring on an involuntary bowel movement.

kenan, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:36 (twelve years ago) link

personally I wouldn't lacquer my records unless they were super scratchy as applying lacquer will obviously leave a waxy residue on the grooves that will change the sound quality.

djdirtbagstyle, Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:14 (seven months ago) link

xpost

It would have to be awfully thin not to muffle the sound, wouldn't it? One could certainly make the argument that it did so. (I mean, we'd be talking about an incredibly fine degree of muffling, but we'd also be talking about audiophiles, who are basically dwelling in a world of fantasy regarding what the human ear can actually perceive, anyway.)

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:15 (seven months ago) link

I've applied the lacquer to Dark Side of the Moon and now I'm listening to it 100 times in a row to bring it to it's *ideal* sound quality at which point I will store it away forever

maffew12, Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:18 (seven months ago) link

yeah from what I've read on forums and so on people say it definitely changes the sound quality to a noticeable extent. a term I've heard a lot is "warmer" which i generally interpret to mean muffling the extreme high-end frequencies.

djdirtbagstyle, Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:21 (seven months ago) link

it could be less of a lacquer than a lubricant, creating an oily sheen that makes the needle glide over more

they make a lot of claims about it not being, but I'm guessing it's not what people would traditionally consider a lubricant so they're dissembling a little

mh, Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:45 (seven months ago) link

I was digging in because when I read the description I was wondering if it was literal oil derived from reptiles but it looks like it may be similar to this product: https://www.solvay.com/en/brands/pfpe-functional-fluids

mh, Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:46 (seven months ago) link

you're right of course that it is a lubricant - it microscopically fills in the surface of the grooves, reducing friction and allowing the stylus to travel across the surface more smoothly

the difference in terminology is that lubricants generally aren't finishes, ie they don't permanently adhere to the surface. like if you touch a greased pan, grease comes off on your hand.

of course there are plenty of exceptions to this terminology and lots of examples of permanent solid lubricants, like teflon film on cooking utensils.

so yeah you can either think of it as a rather thick and adhesive lubricant or a rather thin and non-adhesive lacquer, in the end it's the same thing

djdirtbagstyle, Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:03 (seven months ago) link

fair! thanks for the description, this is interesting stuff

mh, Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:09 (seven months ago) link

definitely need a few gallons of this as the molecular cohesion of my records has really gone to shit over the last few years, can barely open the door of my record room, molecules all over the damn place

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Thursday, 21 November 2019 17:36 (seven months ago) link

every time i come home from the record store with new molecules of music, my partner is always on my case like "but you never listen to the molecules you already have!"

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Thursday, 21 November 2019 17:37 (seven months ago) link

that's when I reach for my atomizer

maffew12, Thursday, 21 November 2019 17:51 (seven months ago) link

goddammit i knew i should've copyrighted my dumb idea for "record lotion"

With an Extreme Burning (aka The Tormentor) (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 22 November 2019 13:07 (seven months ago) link

lol

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 November 2019 13:40 (seven months ago) link

these seem mostly... fine? I'd go for a record cleaning brush over a stylus brush, though

mh, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 17:51 (seven months ago) link

I have that Turntable Lab needle brush. It works! I also drop the needle onto a chunk of Magic Eraser after every few plays. But it's not "THIS WILL ADD LIFELIKE WARMTH TO THE SOUNDSTAGE THAT ONLY YOU CAN HEAR"; it's just cleaning/maintenance.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 17:54 (seven months ago) link

real heads know only steel wool can repel the negative ion buildup that takes the lustre off your upper mids

A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 17:55 (seven months ago) link

was mostly using this thread to take another shot at the constant unwavering stupidity that is pfork (totally NOT a lifestyle website, btw). the "Isonoe Isolation System" is peak snakeoil afaict. also the preamp thingie is questionable and slipmats are not needed unless yr qbert or roc raida (rip). $13 for a 45 adapter too? gtfoh.

stylus brushes are always a great idea, tho.

also good to see turntable lab is still around.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 18:13 (seven months ago) link

if you have a receiver that doesn't have a phono input and a turntable without a built-in amp, you definitely need a phono amp! I own an earlier model of the one they recommend and the local on-the-level audio shop I go to has been selling them for years. the snake oil version of the same device costs hundreds if not thousands.

mh, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 18:15 (seven months ago) link

right, that's my bad. i've had the same late 70s stereo for twenty years and take that for granted i guess.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 18:23 (seven months ago) link

the graphics in that list are maybe the worst thing thats ever been published in pitchfork

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 18:24 (seven months ago) link

getting a Vincent phono pre was the best thing I've done in awhile, really fantastic, $300 so "cheap" (haha) for audiophiles, built like a tank

I have a pretty nice amp but it doesn't have a phono in

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 18:57 (seven months ago) link

order of stuff I think matters from most to least:

speakers
amp
cartridge
turntable
DAC
CD player/disc spinner (currently using a $10 off Craigslist optical out into onboard DAC in my amp)
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
all the other bullshit accessories

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 19:02 (seven months ago) link

what a weird, writing-free piece. The no-nonsense phono is the best thing about it (I use that one with my tiny class T speaker amp)... but do not buy one for your vinyl loving friend, unless they can't actually listen to vinyl and lack of a photo stage is the specific reason why.

maffew12, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 19:07 (seven months ago) link

I wouldn't be mad if someone got me some outer sleeves

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 19:12 (seven months ago) link

also isolation is an issue if you, like, can't dance near the table. but that's when you make a little shelf on the wall

maffew12, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 19:15 (seven months ago) link

yeah, the plastic sleeves are good (and seem to keep my cat from attempting to claw records)

mh, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 20:41 (seven months ago) link

ha, they have the opposite effect on my cat - he loves to chew the plastic, i cant ever leave a record out

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 20:54 (seven months ago) link

I dislike those sleeves for aesthetic reasons. Then I worry that I'm neglecting my LPs. But no, I can't bring myself to use them

Duke, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 21:11 (seven months ago) link

sleeve city outer sleevs are my favorite but i have yet to find a satisfying solution for doubles/gatefolds

brimstead, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 21:15 (seven months ago) link

for every possible way to protect your possessions, there is a cat who has figured out how to counter it

mh, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 22:31 (seven months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5poEu9uBwyM

budo jeru, Thursday, 28 November 2019 04:49 (seven months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La3U41b0WSU

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 28 November 2019 05:03 (seven months ago) link

xpost to mh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7dcSr04G8s

budo jeru, Thursday, 28 November 2019 05:41 (seven months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tHOUV_bJn8

budo jeru, Thursday, 28 November 2019 05:45 (seven months ago) link

Kind of a bummer/guilt-trip final selection on that Pfork list.

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Thursday, 28 November 2019 06:48 (seven months ago) link

No one said loving vinyl was easy. Between caring for old records and getting the best sound out of your gear, being a turntable devotee is as rewarding as it is intensive

*sigh* speak for yourself re this whole vinyl is hard nonsense

brimstead, Thursday, 28 November 2019 07:02 (seven months ago) link

four months pass...

ok how do you pronounce ‘phono’?

does it rhyme with slo-mo or Bono?

(or Pono)

umsworth (emsworth), Friday, 17 April 2020 02:03 (two months ago) link

Pono

Nudeln und Klopapier Gore (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 17 April 2020 02:14 (two months ago) link

like phonograph

mh, Friday, 17 April 2020 02:18 (two months ago) link

Thanks

I said it in conversation last night and realised that it’s a term I’ve never actually spoken aloud and someone said “is that how you say it?” and I freaked out

umsworth (emsworth), Friday, 17 April 2020 02:33 (two months ago) link

RIP Stereophile's Art Dudley

enjoyed his writing

https://www.stereophile.com/content/art-dudley-rest-peace

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 April 2020 02:36 (two months ago) link

oh man I have read a lot of art dudley columns over the years... RIP Art.

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 17 April 2020 03:01 (two months ago) link

yeah he was one of the good ones

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 April 2020 03:36 (two months ago) link

damn, Listener was a great little magazine.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Friday, 17 April 2020 03:52 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

https://jcat.eu/featured/m12-switch-gold/

Dan I., Monday, 29 June 2020 17:44 (one week ago) link

What a shame they have to sully it with an RJ45 connector at the other end of the wire, albeit one from the space station where “air” and “fine grained ambience” are a must for all data

assert (MatthewK), Monday, 29 June 2020 18:19 (one week ago) link

amazing

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 29 June 2020 21:18 (one week ago) link

thank god that the audiophiles have finally invented a 5 port unmanaged ethernet switch you can spend 4000+ euro on

NB I checked eBay you can get a Juniper EX4200 for like less than $100

all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 04:12 (one week ago) link

an acquaintance observes that the M12 connector, having only two twisted pairs, is insufficient to actually deliver gigabit ethernet, so this dumb thing doesn't even work

all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 04:21 (one week ago) link


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