Awesome Audiophile Snake Oil

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J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

lololololol

J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:06 (ten years ago) Permalink

"The very best sound was obtained when I slightly loosened the screws on the Duplex Covers. And they sound great!!.

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morris pavilion, Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

lolololol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:15 (ten years ago) Permalink

every product on the site is like New Hope for the Ape-Eared

J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

i love that website! check out this fancy table: http://machinadynamica.com/machina25.htm

it's supposed to isolate your amplifier from vibrations, "especially the 0 -10 Hz variety produced by Earth's crust movement, traffic, subways, tides, etc. "

how a spring could cancel out waves slower than 1 Hz?

elan, Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

but the best is this "teleportation tweak"
http://machinadynamica.com/machina60.htm

elan, Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

everything on there is great but I'm still standing by the Tru-Tone Duplex cover as the most balls-out

J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

oh wait though codename turquoise is pretty fucking rad

J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

Brilliant Pebbles is my favorite one on that site i think

ciderpress, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

From cidepress' link, this was amusing:

"Where most audiophiles would agree, however, is that tweaks are a minor aspect of system building. Defined by the dictionary in Microsoft Word® as "a slight adjustment or change in..."

italics mine.

Clay, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://machinadynamica.com/water.gif for brains

scott seward, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

Somewhere, audiophile dude pushes the leather sofa away from the wall, sees four-socket outlet, shrieks.

bendy, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

Well, these are great, but you don't have to spend a lot of money to improve sound:

http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/Free_Techniques/Free_Techniques.html

Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 18 November 2007 04:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

Holy shit the Teleportation Tweak! We are dealing with <i>balls</i> here, gentlemen. Big, round, shiny balls, of finest brass, lovingly hand-polished to a mirror shine by a taskforce of brilliant Sound Artisans. These balls can be yours for the astonishingly low price of $680 (Big Shiny Brass Balls are not subject to our 30-day money-back guarantee)

Telephone thing, Sunday, 18 November 2007 10:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

it doesn't actually take any courage to be a con man, is the thing. you just have to really, really hate everybody.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 18 November 2007 19:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

The interesting thing about these tweaks is that they abandon the pretense of scientific support. Whereas w/ feet for speaker stands in Stereophile or whatever they'll be some physicist explaining how the damping works, here's it's just like, Hey, put this magic clock in the room and it'll improve the sound. I love it.

Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 18 November 2007 20:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

Sorry, maybe I'm Billy-doesn't-get-it, but is this site real or an elaborate spoof?

Matt #2, Sunday, 18 November 2007 20:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

I had initially assumed spoof, but I followed some links and poked around and it appears to be real, or at least elaborate enough a spoof to include three or four different sites. Stereophile had an article on some of these tweaks a few years ago anyway:

http://www.stereophile.com/news/10415/

Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 18 November 2007 20:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

even if it is a spoof there's certainly enough real snake-oil products with extremely similar purposes/explanations

here's a collection of some more: http://www.ilikejam.dsl.pipex.com/audiophile.htm

ciderpress, Sunday, 18 November 2007 21:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

i know someone who swears by this ....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280182123367&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=018

zappi, Thursday, 13 December 2007 15:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

"extremely flat"

nabisco, Thursday, 13 December 2007 16:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

I don't even know what "a richer, fuller sound, with less emphasis of detail" means. it's supposed to be a good thing?

bernard snowy, Thursday, 13 December 2007 16:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

My latest tweak = this chair;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/Photo624.jpg

Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 13 December 2007 16:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

i'm actually buying a glass platter for my turntable. i might even buy that mat for it. i'm a sucka 4 luv.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 13 December 2007 23:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

actually the chair i'm assuming was a joke, but honestly i was suprised how much getting speaker stands and "correctly" positioning my chair i listen in and the speakers in the room made a HUGE difference in how good things sounded.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 13 December 2007 23:39 (ten years ago) Permalink

The chair's totally not a joke; it's expensive and comfortable and easily moved but it's not likely to make me fall asleep in it (no headrest); if I'm comfortable and awake, I can concentrate on listening more. I bought it (almost) with the sole intention of it being a 'headphones' chair.

But yeah, basic physics says position your speakers correctly and sit in the right spot; you simply don't get stereo-imaging without it.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 14 December 2007 07:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

that's AMAZING.
audiophiles are some weird people, man.

ian, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 19:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

actually the chair i'm assuming was a joke, but honestly i was suprised how much getting speaker stands and "correctly" positioning my chair i listen in and the speakers in the room made a HUGE difference in how good things sounded.

-- M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:39 PM

totally true

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 19:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

actually properly treating one's room acoustically would probably do a better job than moving your chair and speakers about

electricsound, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 22:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

is there already a company selling audiophile interior house paint?

because if there is, I should start selling audiophile EXTERIOR house paint.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 22:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

(xpost)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cb/Dbsts2.jpg

snoball, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 23:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I was much, much less impressed with this enormous fucking Naim set-up than I should have been given how much it ought to have cost. Sure it went LOUD, but sound-wise I wouldn't swap it for my own system, I don't think.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/IMG_0126.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/IMG_0128.jpg

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

Is it just perspective on that first photo, or are your speakers nearly at shoulder height?

Rob M v2, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

Oh, no - is that a Cyrus CD player? Or tuner? And why isn't everything on Mana shelves? That's why it doesn't sound that good. And has it been on continuously for five years? Another biggie with Naimists. (Seriously, that doesn't look like a great room for those huge - and amazingly ugly - speakers).

What's the turntable - Nottingham Spacedek or something? Oracle Delphi?

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

mp3s out a old marantz amp someone gave me and 15 y/o bottom of the line cambridge soundworks speakers all day babay

although i did love to read sudiophile magazines when i worked at a bookstore just for the lulz

jhøshea, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

The speakers are nearly to chest height - I'm 5'8".

The Cyrus is just a DAC for his wireless streaming thing. Dunno what the turntable is. The room is big but odd; it's a loft that used to be three bedrooms. There's a (low) double bed behind the speakers, plus a desk, which is where I slept (not the desk) (although that picture was taken at 6am so sleeping wasn't exactly urgent and key that weekend).

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I really wish someone had just given me a peek into my co-habiting/flat in communal block/married-with-kids future when I was handing over the moolah for all my gear in 1996-97. I wish I'd just got something good/2nd-hand with a small footprint (Cyrus CD/integrated, ProAc speakers, something like that; maybe a Pro-Ject record deck, old Marantz cassette deck, NAD tuner, cables from Maplin) and STOPPED there. Think of all the photographic gear I could've bought with the money saved if I'd just contracted that particular hobbyist bug a decade earlier!

(Ah, DAC for wireless streaming; the Naim box-stacking is kinda insane - external power supplies for everything. Makes my Audiolab pre/mono arrangement look positively understated).

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

The speakers are Naim DBLs. They weigh about 15st each. Retail these days at £15k. When he got them, in 2000, they should have been £12k. He got them for £4k cos they were "shop-soiled" - the band he's in had an arrangement with Naim and they'd been using them as a playback set-up when they recorded an album in a country house, and the guitarist's dog had taken a bite out of the bottom corner of one, or something.

I'm kind of glad I've had a brush with stuff that's seriously high-end because it's warned me off a bit. Our flat's not that small, but it's a flat nonetheless, and, you know, I want stuff on the walls and holidays and a new camera and stuff maybe too.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

I think my main response to audiophilia these days is that the best way to make your hi-fi sound great is to play better records on it.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

actually properly treating one's room acoustically would probably do a better job than moving your chair and speakers about

How so?

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

the best way to make your hi-fi sound great is to play better records on it.

b i n g o

Savannah Smiles, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 16:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

if anyone is looking for really great speakers that won't break your bank....i bought these about a year ago and couldn't be more pleased with them...they are really surprising given the price and size:

Epos ELS 3 mini monitors:

http://www.musicdirect.com/product/73457

i run them with a Cambridge Audio integrated amp w/Cambridge phono pre-amp.....

My turntable is a Rega P1 -- one thing on that i would recommend is buying a glass platter and also i replaced the original ortofon cartridge with a Denon DL 160 cartridge which is a fucking amazing cartridge for the price...

For CD player I run a really really old NAD one that I got off craigslist for $35...it works pretty well, has a hard time tracking CD-Rs but will play them after awhile (it's from 87 though so I guess there weren't even CD-Rs then)

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 16:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

Post more pics of slobs in garrets seasoned with with ridiculous sound systems and ugly furniture.

Gorge, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 20:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

I really like the coffee table.

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 20:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

I think my favourite way / place to listen to music these days, rather than the big sofa and NAD / Cambridge Audio / Tannoy / proper rack & stands set-up in the living room, with everything anchored in a nice triangle, blah blah, equidistant from rear walls, speakers toed in, is the hotch-potch system in the back room, with the knackered Marantz CD, 20-year-old Marantz amp, DAC, and diddy Q Acoustics speakers. Cos I have space, peace, my comfy chair, books, headphones, no TV or console to distract.

Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 8 May 2008 17:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

Those are the kind of speakers you buy to justify having previously bought Monster Cable.

kenan, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

What's the sensitivity rating on those things? It might be all show, but they certainly look like they could bring on an involuntary bowel movement.

kenan, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

that's cool!

niels, Friday, 16 February 2018 06:57 (three months ago) Permalink

anyone got any experience with the dynaudio xeo 2s?

belcalis almanzar (||||||||), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 10:32 (two months ago) Permalink

friend of mine has a pair, he's very happy with them

niels, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 16:59 (two months ago) Permalink

I covet the wireless Dynaudios, gotta say. Anything that gets rid of stupid bloody speaker cables gets a tick in my book (anyone wanna buy some Nordost? Been burning it in for 22 years, should be optimal around now ;) )

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 17:17 (two months ago) Permalink

how much? 10K?

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 21:57 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

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So basically, Live/Dead.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 16 April 2018 19:18 (one month ago) Permalink

the Tesla iQube delivers results and replaces your need for shiny objects and new courses that promise to heal you.

mick signals, Monday, 16 April 2018 19:54 (one month ago) Permalink

Is that a website for some ARG

my dreams in the hell-pits (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 16 April 2018 20:14 (one month ago) Permalink

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blatherskite, Monday, 16 April 2018 21:54 (one month ago) Permalink

lol Tarfumes

brimstead, Monday, 16 April 2018 22:30 (one month ago) Permalink

pass ag FAQ

Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 16 April 2018 23:27 (one month ago) Permalink

this site is filled with riches

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soooooo I'm ... in a coma

'Designed to open the DNA so it re patterns itself.'

jesus, fuck no thanks

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... you can patent waveforms?

'it triples the power of Binaural Beats by beating six frequencies together'

ok now I kinda need to hear these things

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Brakhage, Tuesday, 17 April 2018 00:05 (one month ago) Permalink

i need this thing to heal myself

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 19:53 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Dafuq I'm looking at

https://defoss.com

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 5 May 2018 23:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I don’t know if that’s full on snake oil, it just seems sort of tastelessly aesthetic

valorous wokelord (silby), Saturday, 5 May 2018 23:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Dunno about the turntable itself, but Ortofons are always a solid investment.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Sunday, 6 May 2018 02:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink

that's not snake oil, that's kind of interesting. a single-piece tonearm should theoretically make for better signal, right? at the same time...I trust imaginary engineers more than I trust a 3D printer. // planning on trying out Ortofon Bronze next needle change I think

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 6 May 2018 02:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It doesn't look that different in design than most high end turntables

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 May 2018 15:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the base looks so flimsy, it looks like it has terrible stability

F# A# (∞), Monday, 7 May 2018 16:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Is this just a turntable? i'm confused about what makes it special. that it has a 3d printed tone-arm? Looks like a good turntable, but i'm not sure it justifies a kickstarter. Does it have unique technology?

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 7 May 2018 17:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the base looks so flimsy, it looks like it has terrible stability

― F# A# (∞), Monday, May 7, 2018 11:31 AM (fifty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

those type of pointed feet are common in audiophile stuff, esp as speaker feet, they sell them at stores, if there's four of them it will be just fine, rega's even have just 3 feet
i think the idea is to reduce the contact surface with the shelf to avoid transfer of vibrations

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 May 2018 17:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Main advantage of 3 feet vs. 4 is much easier leveling; it will never rock back and forth as with four not quite leveled feet.

Lee626, Monday, 7 May 2018 19:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

planning on trying out Ortofon Bronze next needle change I think

― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, May 5, 2018 7:44 PM (two days ago)

I can vouch for the bronze! Much more detailed than my Ortofon Red without sounding too cold (though my preamp influences this to be sure), and due to the narrower stylus, all my records which skipped in some spots no longer skip! Huge win.

octobeard, Monday, 7 May 2018 21:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

catching up on the snake oil and am pretty impressed with iQube. pretty reasonable price point for the healing i require.

so the OmPocket is a SanDisk mp3 player preloaded with their special scalarwave sounds. i had one question, but it looks like they've answered it already:

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andrew m., Wednesday, 9 May 2018 19:23 (one week ago) Permalink

oh, and in reading thru the FAQs (which appear to be a giant list of any question asked them ever), i see they're right down the road from me in hot springs, arkansas! which definitely means they're filling they're little bottles of miracle "structured" water at the free public taps coming from the famous springs.

andrew m., Wednesday, 9 May 2018 19:24 (one week ago) Permalink

If you prefer Priority Mail offered by the US Government, the international delivery will take 1-4 weeks. This method is not as reliable for tracking and delivery purposes.

LOL

this FAQ is a goldmine

andrew m., Wednesday, 9 May 2018 19:28 (one week ago) Permalink

i genuinely don't understand why people just dont get a Pro-ject deck.
good value, good design, and upgradeable should orofon be not worthy.

mark e, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 20:03 (one week ago) Permalink

Have y'all seen the one Ikea is releasing later this year in collaboration with Teenage Engineering?

http://static.highsnobiety.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/01131505/ikea-teenage-engineering-frekvens-collection-000.jpg

early rejecter, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 20:45 (one week ago) Permalink

but you have to assemble it yourself with an allen wrench

let's not talk about the gincident (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 20:47 (one week ago) Permalink

A 'Hi-Res cassette deck'...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD8i5zwtOmc
Spoiler: reviewer thinks it's bobbins.

2018 has to be better (snoball), Friday, 11 May 2018 18:15 (one week ago) Permalink

i genuinely don't understand why people just dont get a Pro-ject deck.

refuse to reward that ridiculous hyphen tbh

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 11 May 2018 18:16 (one week ago) Permalink

lol yeah that's def an annoying hyphen

pro-ject makes nice turntables but so does/did rega, technics, denon, thorens etc. not sure why pro-ject would be a better choice than any of those

niels, Friday, 11 May 2018 18:30 (one week ago) Permalink

my Rega P1 has been a champ

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 May 2018 18:32 (one week ago) Permalink

as far as I can tell, pro-ject sits at a really good price/performance spot right now and is the easy recommendation for someone who wants a good turntable

mh, Friday, 11 May 2018 18:47 (one week ago) Permalink

My pro-ject has motor hum. Personally wouldn’t go with them again.

Cow_Art, Friday, 11 May 2018 18:50 (one week ago) Permalink

well i need a new deck and was all set to just get a Pro-Ject but now i don't know what to do!

brimstead, Friday, 11 May 2018 20:22 (one week ago) Permalink

I like my debut carbon, it sounds very clear, no motor hum. There are a couple nitpicky things I could mention. The queue lever sticks a bit, and I've had a small amount of skips/skating on a couple specific records. It would be nice if the anti-skate control could be more finely tweaked.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 11 May 2018 20:40 (one week ago) Permalink

have enjoyed my pro-ject for a long time, though a stylus change is long overdue i think - any recommendations in the under £100 range?

(snake oil trolling answer welcomed since i'm rudely hijacking the thread)

lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Friday, 11 May 2018 23:33 (one week ago) Permalink

Since I keep opening this thread and being disappointed by the lack of new snakery, allow me to point out that this other fine thread exists: Turntable recommendation required herein

mick signals, Saturday, 12 May 2018 01:39 (one week ago) Permalink

Maybe not snakeoil, but certainly outside of my current budget:

https://www.facebook.com/Psychedelic.Baby.Magazine/photos/a.903280983024886.1073741825.132214110131581/1935360743150233/?type=3&theater

Chewshabadoo, Sunday, 13 May 2018 13:24 (one week ago) Permalink

That's got a highly optimized plinth-to-platter ratio.

mick signals, Sunday, 13 May 2018 13:52 (one week ago) Permalink

Spoiler: reviewer thinks it's bobbins.

― 2018 has to be better (snoball)

oh, that's techmoan! i like techmoan's channel.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Monday, 14 May 2018 00:55 (one week ago) Permalink

Techmoan is pretty great. Going to have to watch that video even if its just to find out if bobbins is good or bad

my dreams in the hell-pits (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 14 May 2018 06:59 (one week ago) Permalink

x's and p's the Absolute Sound audiophile mag loves that Clearaudio Statement table, it's hella expensive ($150,000)

my dreams in the hell-pits (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 14 May 2018 07:01 (one week ago) Permalink

i know there's a burgeoning movement in favor of Luxury Leftism and i'm not opposed but i still feel like anybody who buys that should have all their money and possessions expropriated and redistributed

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Monday, 14 May 2018 13:00 (one week ago) Permalink


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