Awesome Audiophile Snake Oil

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J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

lololololol

J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"The very best sound was obtained when I slightly loosened the screws on the Duplex Covers. And they sound great!!.

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morris pavilion, Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

lolololol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

every product on the site is like New Hope for the Ape-Eared

J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i love that website! check out this fancy table: http://machinadynamica.com/machina25.htm

it's supposed to isolate your amplifier from vibrations, "especially the 0 -10 Hz variety produced by Earth's crust movement, traffic, subways, tides, etc. "

how a spring could cancel out waves slower than 1 Hz?

elan, Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

but the best is this "teleportation tweak"
http://machinadynamica.com/machina60.htm

elan, Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

everything on there is great but I'm still standing by the Tru-Tone Duplex cover as the most balls-out

J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

oh wait though codename turquoise is pretty fucking rad

J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Brilliant Pebbles is my favorite one on that site i think

ciderpress, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

From cidepress' link, this was amusing:

"Where most audiophiles would agree, however, is that tweaks are a minor aspect of system building. Defined by the dictionary in Microsoft Word® as "a slight adjustment or change in..."

italics mine.

Clay, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

http://machinadynamica.com/water.gif for brains

scott seward, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Somewhere, audiophile dude pushes the leather sofa away from the wall, sees four-socket outlet, shrieks.

bendy, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Well, these are great, but you don't have to spend a lot of money to improve sound:

http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/Free_Techniques/Free_Techniques.html

Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 18 November 2007 04:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Holy shit the Teleportation Tweak! We are dealing with <i>balls</i> here, gentlemen. Big, round, shiny balls, of finest brass, lovingly hand-polished to a mirror shine by a taskforce of brilliant Sound Artisans. These balls can be yours for the astonishingly low price of $680 (Big Shiny Brass Balls are not subject to our 30-day money-back guarantee)

Telephone thing, Sunday, 18 November 2007 10:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

it doesn't actually take any courage to be a con man, is the thing. you just have to really, really hate everybody.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 18 November 2007 19:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The interesting thing about these tweaks is that they abandon the pretense of scientific support. Whereas w/ feet for speaker stands in Stereophile or whatever they'll be some physicist explaining how the damping works, here's it's just like, Hey, put this magic clock in the room and it'll improve the sound. I love it.

Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 18 November 2007 20:36 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Sorry, maybe I'm Billy-doesn't-get-it, but is this site real or an elaborate spoof?

Matt #2, Sunday, 18 November 2007 20:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I had initially assumed spoof, but I followed some links and poked around and it appears to be real, or at least elaborate enough a spoof to include three or four different sites. Stereophile had an article on some of these tweaks a few years ago anyway:

http://www.stereophile.com/news/10415/

Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 18 November 2007 20:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

even if it is a spoof there's certainly enough real snake-oil products with extremely similar purposes/explanations

here's a collection of some more: http://www.ilikejam.dsl.pipex.com/audiophile.htm

ciderpress, Sunday, 18 November 2007 21:36 (eleven years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

i know someone who swears by this ....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280182123367&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=018

zappi, Thursday, 13 December 2007 15:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"extremely flat"

nabisco, Thursday, 13 December 2007 16:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I don't even know what "a richer, fuller sound, with less emphasis of detail" means. it's supposed to be a good thing?

bernard snowy, Thursday, 13 December 2007 16:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

My latest tweak = this chair;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/Photo624.jpg

Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 13 December 2007 16:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i'm actually buying a glass platter for my turntable. i might even buy that mat for it. i'm a sucka 4 luv.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 13 December 2007 23:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

actually the chair i'm assuming was a joke, but honestly i was suprised how much getting speaker stands and "correctly" positioning my chair i listen in and the speakers in the room made a HUGE difference in how good things sounded.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 13 December 2007 23:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The chair's totally not a joke; it's expensive and comfortable and easily moved but it's not likely to make me fall asleep in it (no headrest); if I'm comfortable and awake, I can concentrate on listening more. I bought it (almost) with the sole intention of it being a 'headphones' chair.

But yeah, basic physics says position your speakers correctly and sit in the right spot; you simply don't get stereo-imaging without it.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 14 December 2007 07:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

that's AMAZING.
audiophiles are some weird people, man.

ian, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 19:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

actually the chair i'm assuming was a joke, but honestly i was suprised how much getting speaker stands and "correctly" positioning my chair i listen in and the speakers in the room made a HUGE difference in how good things sounded.

-- M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:39 PM

totally true

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 19:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

actually properly treating one's room acoustically would probably do a better job than moving your chair and speakers about

electricsound, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 22:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

is there already a company selling audiophile interior house paint?

because if there is, I should start selling audiophile EXTERIOR house paint.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 22:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

(xpost)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cb/Dbsts2.jpg

snoball, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 23:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I was much, much less impressed with this enormous fucking Naim set-up than I should have been given how much it ought to have cost. Sure it went LOUD, but sound-wise I wouldn't swap it for my own system, I don't think.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/IMG_0126.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/IMG_0128.jpg

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

Is it just perspective on that first photo, or are your speakers nearly at shoulder height?

Rob M v2, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

Oh, no - is that a Cyrus CD player? Or tuner? And why isn't everything on Mana shelves? That's why it doesn't sound that good. And has it been on continuously for five years? Another biggie with Naimists. (Seriously, that doesn't look like a great room for those huge - and amazingly ugly - speakers).

What's the turntable - Nottingham Spacedek or something? Oracle Delphi?

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

mp3s out a old marantz amp someone gave me and 15 y/o bottom of the line cambridge soundworks speakers all day babay

although i did love to read sudiophile magazines when i worked at a bookstore just for the lulz

jhøshea, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

The speakers are nearly to chest height - I'm 5'8".

The Cyrus is just a DAC for his wireless streaming thing. Dunno what the turntable is. The room is big but odd; it's a loft that used to be three bedrooms. There's a (low) double bed behind the speakers, plus a desk, which is where I slept (not the desk) (although that picture was taken at 6am so sleeping wasn't exactly urgent and key that weekend).

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I really wish someone had just given me a peek into my co-habiting/flat in communal block/married-with-kids future when I was handing over the moolah for all my gear in 1996-97. I wish I'd just got something good/2nd-hand with a small footprint (Cyrus CD/integrated, ProAc speakers, something like that; maybe a Pro-Ject record deck, old Marantz cassette deck, NAD tuner, cables from Maplin) and STOPPED there. Think of all the photographic gear I could've bought with the money saved if I'd just contracted that particular hobbyist bug a decade earlier!

(Ah, DAC for wireless streaming; the Naim box-stacking is kinda insane - external power supplies for everything. Makes my Audiolab pre/mono arrangement look positively understated).

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

The speakers are Naim DBLs. They weigh about 15st each. Retail these days at £15k. When he got them, in 2000, they should have been £12k. He got them for £4k cos they were "shop-soiled" - the band he's in had an arrangement with Naim and they'd been using them as a playback set-up when they recorded an album in a country house, and the guitarist's dog had taken a bite out of the bottom corner of one, or something.

I'm kind of glad I've had a brush with stuff that's seriously high-end because it's warned me off a bit. Our flat's not that small, but it's a flat nonetheless, and, you know, I want stuff on the walls and holidays and a new camera and stuff maybe too.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

I think my main response to audiophilia these days is that the best way to make your hi-fi sound great is to play better records on it.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

actually properly treating one's room acoustically would probably do a better job than moving your chair and speakers about

How so?

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

the best way to make your hi-fi sound great is to play better records on it.

b i n g o

Savannah Smiles, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 16:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

if anyone is looking for really great speakers that won't break your bank....i bought these about a year ago and couldn't be more pleased with them...they are really surprising given the price and size:

Epos ELS 3 mini monitors:

http://www.musicdirect.com/product/73457

i run them with a Cambridge Audio integrated amp w/Cambridge phono pre-amp.....

My turntable is a Rega P1 -- one thing on that i would recommend is buying a glass platter and also i replaced the original ortofon cartridge with a Denon DL 160 cartridge which is a fucking amazing cartridge for the price...

For CD player I run a really really old NAD one that I got off craigslist for $35...it works pretty well, has a hard time tracking CD-Rs but will play them after awhile (it's from 87 though so I guess there weren't even CD-Rs then)

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 16:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

Post more pics of slobs in garrets seasoned with with ridiculous sound systems and ugly furniture.

Gorge, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 20:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

I really like the coffee table.

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 20:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

I think my favourite way / place to listen to music these days, rather than the big sofa and NAD / Cambridge Audio / Tannoy / proper rack & stands set-up in the living room, with everything anchored in a nice triangle, blah blah, equidistant from rear walls, speakers toed in, is the hotch-potch system in the back room, with the knackered Marantz CD, 20-year-old Marantz amp, DAC, and diddy Q Acoustics speakers. Cos I have space, peace, my comfy chair, books, headphones, no TV or console to distract.

Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 8 May 2008 17:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

Those are the kind of speakers you buy to justify having previously bought Monster Cable.

kenan, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

What's the sensitivity rating on those things? It might be all show, but they certainly look like they could bring on an involuntary bowel movement.

kenan, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

if you can, why not?

mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:19 (five days ago) Permalink

I really need to find a way to invest in the business of selling $4 of parts in a $9 box for $1,500 to credulous douchebags

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:20 (five days ago) Permalink

I think those clocks are important for mastering, getting the CD to talk to the CPU in a manner that allows the whole enterprise to function -- I think they're mainly for mastering engineers

I could be wrong but I know timing stuff is part of that whole aspect of the process of getting a record from tape to WAV to release

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:23 (five days ago) Permalink

predicating your product on rare sub-millisecond glitches being human perceptible is something, for sure

mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:27 (five days ago) Permalink

right, like, the stability of the random 10Mhz crystal that costs $0.37 when you buy at least a thousand I looked up on digikey is ±50ppm or something, so like…at worst you get 9,999,500 cycles in a given second instead of 10 million or something. That's 0.05% error I think.

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:32 (five days ago) Permalink

I think a timing error at the mastering or production level would cost more than this machine, so (if that is in fact the use of this machine) if I were delivering files for production I'd err on the side of the too-accurate insurance policy

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:34 (five days ago) Permalink

I think one of these also powered the Enterprise.

dinnerboat, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:35 (five days ago) Permalink

The CG-10M is a master clock generator that brings out the best performance from USB DACs, network players, CD players and any other kind of device that supports a 10MHz clock input.

this part of the description makes me think it's being marketed to consumers. the two products it mentions in the compatibility section appear to be desktop headphone amplifiers, not meant for production but listening

mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:39 (five days ago) Permalink

fwiw here's a technical article on the subject https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/does-your-studio-need-digital-master-clock

looks like their conclusions are that even in production work, an external clock is still of dubious benefit

mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:46 (five days ago) Permalink

was about to post the same link lol

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:51 (five days ago) Permalink

I want the analog master clock. It moves smoothly thru time instead of leaping from millisecond to millisecond. Much smoother — anyone with ears can hear the difference! Crisper highs, rounder lows, more articulate high mids, and the low mids just caress you.

Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 00:16 (four days ago) Permalink

also nobody knows why but the wood paneling on the analogue master clock really warms up the sound

umsworth (emsworth), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 00:30 (four days ago) Permalink

I want the analog master clock. It moves smoothly thru time instead of leaping from millisecond to millisecond. Much smoother — anyone with ears can hear the difference! Crisper highs, rounder lows, more articulate high mids, and my wife didn’t leave me when the low mids just caress you.

― Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:16 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

budo jeru, Thursday, 17 January 2019 00:22 (three days ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVTj08qTwGw

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 17 January 2019 01:08 (three days ago) Permalink

i love everything about that video and watch it at least twice a year

call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 January 2019 01:47 (three days ago) Permalink

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE POOR ELECTRONS

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 17 January 2019 02:00 (three days ago) Permalink

Is there more? Can I see his effects rack? Please?

maffew12, Thursday, 17 January 2019 02:05 (three days ago) Permalink

the shit he says about electrons in crystals vs vacuum isn't actually so bad

why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 17 January 2019 02:27 (three days ago) Permalink

it's accurate and also hilarious

call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 January 2019 02:35 (three days ago) Permalink

The very '80s effects rack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuTLl1JbUdM

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 17 January 2019 03:06 (three days ago) Permalink

I think a timing error at the mastering or production level would cost more than this machine, so (if that is in fact the use of this machine) if I were delivering files for production I'd err on the side of the too-accurate insurance policy

― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi)

so would blaise pascal

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Thursday, 17 January 2019 03:36 (three days ago) Permalink

Alexander Dumble is a legend

Dumble musical instrument amplifiers are custom manufactured in very limited numbers by Alexander "Howard" Dumble of Los Angeles, California. Dumble is a one-person operation; each amp is handcrafted by Dumble himself, and Dumble amplifiers are the most expensive boutique amplifiers on the used market.[1] These costs are rising rapidly. In 2012 the Dumble Overdrive Special was described as the most valuable, with used amplifiers fetching on average between $70,000 and $150,000 apiece.[2] Other examples have sold for more. [3]

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 17 January 2019 12:19 (three days ago) Permalink

http://www.wiredguitarist.com/2016/06/04/analyzing-the-hype-dumble-overdrive-special/

Why Is It So Hyped?

It’s probably better to ask why not isn’t it? The myth surrounding both the amp and the man is ridiculous, but here is a breakdown of the main reasons.

it's as if the amps have a special power, making it impossible to speak or write coherently about them.

why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:47 (three days ago) Permalink

Hey is this the thread wherein I can ask legit questions about record cleaning machines?

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:57 (three days ago) Permalink

It depends, how much can I charge you for a microfiber that came free with my glasses?

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 17 January 2019 17:59 (three days ago) Permalink

*checks wallet, bank statement, HELOC*

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:01 (three days ago) Permalink

xxp I think my friend has one of those spin-clean ones and is content with it

local record store has a nitty gritty or w/e but obviously they receive some absolute garbage

I get where silby's coming from, but buying used stuff or digging through bins you do end up with the occasional record that is in fine condition but looks like someone dunked it in mud

mh, Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:04 (three days ago) Permalink

don't you want the warm mud tones to come through on playback tho

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:06 (three days ago) Permalink

I’ve been buying & selling enough LPs that I think I could use one. I’ve been looking at a VPI 16.5 and a Music Hall wSc3

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:06 (three days ago) Permalink

the real question is whether it can clean the mud off the mp3 download code card, right

mh, Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:07 (three days ago) Permalink

i'm a big SpinClean convert, p sure i've raved about it on this or some other thread. mud removal is excellent, sometimes doesn't end up changing much, sometimes it's the sonic equivalent of windexing a window that's been accumulating dirt for ten years. but fwiw it's not a machine, just a well-designed plastic bathtub. you do all the spinning with your hands.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:11 (three days ago) Permalink

I am told wood glue can clean even the filthiest record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gyvipBs6Vs

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:23 (three days ago) Permalink

I bought a junker deck for the express purpose of trying this but I have yet to actually do it.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:26 (three days ago) Permalink

WHOA. I wonder what the removed gluesheet would sound like if you played it.

mick signals, Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:32 (three days ago) Permalink

seem to recall that there are some pretty scary stories re the glue method out there.
its definitely for the more adventurous record collector.

mark e, Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:35 (three days ago) Permalink

maybe get an anti-static gun too

brimstead, Thursday, 17 January 2019 19:05 (three days ago) Permalink

I've heard people irl that have done it w/success

I mean...I'd try it on a dollar bin record first

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 January 2019 19:18 (three days ago) Permalink

I just used Record Revirginiser for the first time (specially formulated wood glue type product) and it has made a crackly old copy of Avalon sound pretty incredible

umsworth (emsworth), Thursday, 17 January 2019 20:19 (three days ago) Permalink

Mr. Dumble, a man, a human in flesh
But not by law
I feed you dignity to stand with pride
Realize that all in all you stand tall
Go ahead, Mr. Dumble
Mr. Dumble, yeah
Lord, Mr. Dumble

why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 18 January 2019 00:54 (two days ago) Permalink

I tried the glue thing, and the hardest part was removing the glue from the outer edge of the record - you have to make sure it's as thick there as on the grooves.

Haven't tried this, but it seems easier, ultimately

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_jrJZuf5oA

eva logorrhea (bendy), Friday, 18 January 2019 13:12 (two days ago) Permalink

I kind of want to make a video like that with a very subtle intro that ends with me blasting the heck out of some records with a pressure washer at a car wash

mh, Friday, 18 January 2019 15:17 (two days ago) Permalink

i've had the guy at my local record store clean records with his VPI machine, i wish i had one of those

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 January 2019 15:32 (two days ago) Permalink

I just took the plunge and ordered one.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 18 January 2019 15:48 (two days ago) Permalink

Matthew McConaughey lives more casually than I had imagined

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 18 January 2019 21:41 (two days ago) Permalink

I just took the plunge and ordered one.

― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Friday, January 18, 2019 9:48 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

awesome !!

enjoy all your new dirty-vinyl-toting friends :)

budo jeru, Friday, 18 January 2019 23:34 (two days ago) Permalink

in all seriousness, a friend of mine has one of these. given the size of his collection and the amount of records he sells online, it was a solid investment and it’s been running nice n smooth for years.

budo jeru, Saturday, 19 January 2019 01:25 (yesterday) Permalink

well I just bought a bunch of dirty country LPs from an estate sale so this time next week I'll be able to give a report.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 19 January 2019 02:56 (yesterday) Permalink

David Allan Coe?

mick signals, Saturday, 19 January 2019 03:55 (yesterday) Permalink

haha close enough

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 19 January 2019 04:03 (yesterday) Permalink


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