Awesome Audiophile Snake Oil

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J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

lololololol

J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:06 (ten years ago) Permalink

"The very best sound was obtained when I slightly loosened the screws on the Duplex Covers. And they sound great!!.

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morris pavilion, Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

lolololol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:15 (ten years ago) Permalink

every product on the site is like New Hope for the Ape-Eared

J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

i love that website! check out this fancy table: http://machinadynamica.com/machina25.htm

it's supposed to isolate your amplifier from vibrations, "especially the 0 -10 Hz variety produced by Earth's crust movement, traffic, subways, tides, etc. "

how a spring could cancel out waves slower than 1 Hz?

elan, Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

but the best is this "teleportation tweak"
http://machinadynamica.com/machina60.htm

elan, Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

everything on there is great but I'm still standing by the Tru-Tone Duplex cover as the most balls-out

J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 01:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

oh wait though codename turquoise is pretty fucking rad

J0hn D., Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

Brilliant Pebbles is my favorite one on that site i think

ciderpress, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

From cidepress' link, this was amusing:

"Where most audiophiles would agree, however, is that tweaks are a minor aspect of system building. Defined by the dictionary in Microsoft Word® as "a slight adjustment or change in..."

italics mine.

Clay, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://machinadynamica.com/water.gif for brains

scott seward, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

Somewhere, audiophile dude pushes the leather sofa away from the wall, sees four-socket outlet, shrieks.

bendy, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

Well, these are great, but you don't have to spend a lot of money to improve sound:

http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/Free_Techniques/Free_Techniques.html

Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 18 November 2007 04:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

Holy shit the Teleportation Tweak! We are dealing with <i>balls</i> here, gentlemen. Big, round, shiny balls, of finest brass, lovingly hand-polished to a mirror shine by a taskforce of brilliant Sound Artisans. These balls can be yours for the astonishingly low price of $680 (Big Shiny Brass Balls are not subject to our 30-day money-back guarantee)

Telephone thing, Sunday, 18 November 2007 10:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

it doesn't actually take any courage to be a con man, is the thing. you just have to really, really hate everybody.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 18 November 2007 19:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

The interesting thing about these tweaks is that they abandon the pretense of scientific support. Whereas w/ feet for speaker stands in Stereophile or whatever they'll be some physicist explaining how the damping works, here's it's just like, Hey, put this magic clock in the room and it'll improve the sound. I love it.

Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 18 November 2007 20:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

Sorry, maybe I'm Billy-doesn't-get-it, but is this site real or an elaborate spoof?

Matt #2, Sunday, 18 November 2007 20:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

I had initially assumed spoof, but I followed some links and poked around and it appears to be real, or at least elaborate enough a spoof to include three or four different sites. Stereophile had an article on some of these tweaks a few years ago anyway:

http://www.stereophile.com/news/10415/

Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 18 November 2007 20:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

even if it is a spoof there's certainly enough real snake-oil products with extremely similar purposes/explanations

here's a collection of some more: http://www.ilikejam.dsl.pipex.com/audiophile.htm

ciderpress, Sunday, 18 November 2007 21:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

i know someone who swears by this ....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280182123367&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=018

zappi, Thursday, 13 December 2007 15:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

"extremely flat"

nabisco, Thursday, 13 December 2007 16:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

I don't even know what "a richer, fuller sound, with less emphasis of detail" means. it's supposed to be a good thing?

bernard snowy, Thursday, 13 December 2007 16:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

My latest tweak = this chair;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/Photo624.jpg

Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 13 December 2007 16:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

i'm actually buying a glass platter for my turntable. i might even buy that mat for it. i'm a sucka 4 luv.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 13 December 2007 23:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

actually the chair i'm assuming was a joke, but honestly i was suprised how much getting speaker stands and "correctly" positioning my chair i listen in and the speakers in the room made a HUGE difference in how good things sounded.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 13 December 2007 23:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

The chair's totally not a joke; it's expensive and comfortable and easily moved but it's not likely to make me fall asleep in it (no headrest); if I'm comfortable and awake, I can concentrate on listening more. I bought it (almost) with the sole intention of it being a 'headphones' chair.

But yeah, basic physics says position your speakers correctly and sit in the right spot; you simply don't get stereo-imaging without it.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 14 December 2007 07:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

that's AMAZING.
audiophiles are some weird people, man.

ian, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 19:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

actually the chair i'm assuming was a joke, but honestly i was suprised how much getting speaker stands and "correctly" positioning my chair i listen in and the speakers in the room made a HUGE difference in how good things sounded.

-- M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:39 PM

totally true

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 19:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

actually properly treating one's room acoustically would probably do a better job than moving your chair and speakers about

electricsound, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 22:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

is there already a company selling audiophile interior house paint?

because if there is, I should start selling audiophile EXTERIOR house paint.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 22:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

(xpost)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cb/Dbsts2.jpg

snoball, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 23:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I was much, much less impressed with this enormous fucking Naim set-up than I should have been given how much it ought to have cost. Sure it went LOUD, but sound-wise I wouldn't swap it for my own system, I don't think.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/IMG_0126.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/IMG_0128.jpg

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

Is it just perspective on that first photo, or are your speakers nearly at shoulder height?

Rob M v2, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh, no - is that a Cyrus CD player? Or tuner? And why isn't everything on Mana shelves? That's why it doesn't sound that good. And has it been on continuously for five years? Another biggie with Naimists. (Seriously, that doesn't look like a great room for those huge - and amazingly ugly - speakers).

What's the turntable - Nottingham Spacedek or something? Oracle Delphi?

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

mp3s out a old marantz amp someone gave me and 15 y/o bottom of the line cambridge soundworks speakers all day babay

although i did love to read sudiophile magazines when i worked at a bookstore just for the lulz

jhøshea, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

The speakers are nearly to chest height - I'm 5'8".

The Cyrus is just a DAC for his wireless streaming thing. Dunno what the turntable is. The room is big but odd; it's a loft that used to be three bedrooms. There's a (low) double bed behind the speakers, plus a desk, which is where I slept (not the desk) (although that picture was taken at 6am so sleeping wasn't exactly urgent and key that weekend).

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I really wish someone had just given me a peek into my co-habiting/flat in communal block/married-with-kids future when I was handing over the moolah for all my gear in 1996-97. I wish I'd just got something good/2nd-hand with a small footprint (Cyrus CD/integrated, ProAc speakers, something like that; maybe a Pro-Ject record deck, old Marantz cassette deck, NAD tuner, cables from Maplin) and STOPPED there. Think of all the photographic gear I could've bought with the money saved if I'd just contracted that particular hobbyist bug a decade earlier!

(Ah, DAC for wireless streaming; the Naim box-stacking is kinda insane - external power supplies for everything. Makes my Audiolab pre/mono arrangement look positively understated).

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

The speakers are Naim DBLs. They weigh about 15st each. Retail these days at £15k. When he got them, in 2000, they should have been £12k. He got them for £4k cos they were "shop-soiled" - the band he's in had an arrangement with Naim and they'd been using them as a playback set-up when they recorded an album in a country house, and the guitarist's dog had taken a bite out of the bottom corner of one, or something.

I'm kind of glad I've had a brush with stuff that's seriously high-end because it's warned me off a bit. Our flat's not that small, but it's a flat nonetheless, and, you know, I want stuff on the walls and holidays and a new camera and stuff maybe too.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

I think my main response to audiophilia these days is that the best way to make your hi-fi sound great is to play better records on it.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

actually properly treating one's room acoustically would probably do a better job than moving your chair and speakers about

How so?

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 15:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

the best way to make your hi-fi sound great is to play better records on it.

b i n g o

Savannah Smiles, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 16:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

if anyone is looking for really great speakers that won't break your bank....i bought these about a year ago and couldn't be more pleased with them...they are really surprising given the price and size:

Epos ELS 3 mini monitors:

http://www.musicdirect.com/product/73457

i run them with a Cambridge Audio integrated amp w/Cambridge phono pre-amp.....

My turntable is a Rega P1 -- one thing on that i would recommend is buying a glass platter and also i replaced the original ortofon cartridge with a Denon DL 160 cartridge which is a fucking amazing cartridge for the price...

For CD player I run a really really old NAD one that I got off craigslist for $35...it works pretty well, has a hard time tracking CD-Rs but will play them after awhile (it's from 87 though so I guess there weren't even CD-Rs then)

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 16:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

Post more pics of slobs in garrets seasoned with with ridiculous sound systems and ugly furniture.

Gorge, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 20:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

I really like the coffee table.

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 20:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

I think my favourite way / place to listen to music these days, rather than the big sofa and NAD / Cambridge Audio / Tannoy / proper rack & stands set-up in the living room, with everything anchored in a nice triangle, blah blah, equidistant from rear walls, speakers toed in, is the hotch-potch system in the back room, with the knackered Marantz CD, 20-year-old Marantz amp, DAC, and diddy Q Acoustics speakers. Cos I have space, peace, my comfy chair, books, headphones, no TV or console to distract.

Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 8 May 2008 17:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

Those are the kind of speakers you buy to justify having previously bought Monster Cable.

kenan, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

What's the sensitivity rating on those things? It might be all show, but they certainly look like they could bring on an involuntary bowel movement.

kenan, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

i mean the biggest impediment to enjoying listening to music is inner distraction... that should really be every audiophile's priority.

perhaps they are being distracted by obsessing over their audio systems, and that is keeping them from hearing the music to its fullest. what then?

http://rob.conery.io/img/2015/09/recursion_title.jpg

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 29 August 2016 21:14 (one year ago) Permalink

imo a lot of this is self-help through retail therapy or externalizing mental anxiety in external phenomena that you then spend time controlling through tweaking

mh 😏, Monday, 29 August 2016 21:31 (one year ago) Permalink

that was my implicit point...

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 29 August 2016 21:35 (one year ago) Permalink

but if you just fix your brain you don't end up with cool speakers

mh 😏, Monday, 29 August 2016 21:36 (one year ago) Permalink

Non believers get slathered in cream and covered with stickers

Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 August 2016 21:36 (one year ago) Permalink

sign me up

Sean, let me be clear (silby), Monday, 29 August 2016 21:44 (one year ago) Permalink

I am in possession of samples of both the foil & the cream

update to follow

― The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, August 29, 2016 1:27 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hyped for this

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Monday, 29 August 2016 21:50 (one year ago) Permalink

no doubt

goole, Monday, 29 August 2016 22:05 (one year ago) Permalink

Sony, really? I had such poor experiences with their gear from the 90s and oughts that i swore off their nameplate completely. Glad you have luck with them, tho.

― bodacious ignoramus, Monday, August 29, 2016 8:45 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Had a terrible midi system from them in the early 90s, and have stayed away from most of their stuff ever since, but they were the only make of walkman-related stuff I'd ever have considered, and I swore by their earphones for years as well.

But yeah. That midi-system, with the shitty turntable and the tape deck that ran too slow. Fuck Sony.

beer say hi to me (stevie), Tuesday, 30 August 2016 07:39 (one year ago) Permalink

Was in the market for a new set of headphones for in the house so ordered a pair of those Sony 7506's.

michaellambert, Tuesday, 30 August 2016 10:22 (one year ago) Permalink

The internal grille is in the shape of the Fibonacci pattern, supposedly to ensure minimal sound colouration

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/sony-celebrates-70th-anniversary-by-releasing-high-end-signature-series#y2xHBH0p0qfFIUvD.99

just sayin, Sunday, 4 September 2016 10:04 (one year ago) Permalink

supposedly

Austin, Sunday, 4 September 2016 19:50 (one year ago) Permalink

who really knows

ǂbait (seandalai), Sunday, 4 September 2016 22:05 (one year ago) Permalink

We don't know that's exactly why it would be irresponsible NOT to make internal grilles in the shape of the Fibonacci pattern

Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 4 September 2016 22:32 (one year ago) Permalink

i prefer true fractals to the fibonacci sequence. fibonacci is a little muddy in the midrange

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Sunday, 4 September 2016 23:23 (one year ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/28/13088070/mrspeakers-ether-flow-review-planar-magnetic-headphones

If the recording is perfect, like my copy of Renaud Garcia-Fons’ Mediterranees, you can just sit back and relax, but most modern music isn’t purely acoustic and has a bunch of imperfections and little pieces of aural grit — and the Ether Flows expose every last one of them.

schwantz, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 17:55 (one year ago) Permalink

A friend of mine is DJing at this place in a couple of weeks...

http://spiritland.com/

Kuzma turntable, Atelier du Triode monoblocs, Living Voice horn speakers. I hope she doesn't mash the stylus.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 18:01 (one year ago) Permalink

I hope she just plugs her iPod shuffle in with an aux cord

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 18:02 (one year ago) Permalink

stand behind the mixing desk playing through her iphone speaker imo

lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 18:13 (one year ago) Permalink

Ha ha. "I'm off for a piss, just keep skipping the ads on Spotify, yeah?"

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 18:39 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I started a related thread:
The musical taste of tech reviewers S/D

schwantz, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 01:15 (eleven months ago) Permalink

five months pass...

https://audiobacon.net/2017/03/16/sotm-dcbl-cat7-review/

This review of a $600 "audiophile Ethernet cable" is fucking incredible. "If you aren’t a complete neophyte to high-end audio, you’ll know that quantitative measurements could only go so far."

the portentous pepper (govern yourself accordingly), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:00 (six months ago) Permalink

Being so impressed with these cables, I brought them over to my friend’s place with a $60,000 speaker system. He was using generic CAT7 this entire time (He wasn’t embarrassed until after this demo).

the portentous pepper (govern yourself accordingly), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:00 (six months ago) Permalink

who knew the internet could sound so warm?

Moodles, Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:03 (six months ago) Permalink

Everyone’s setup is different and I would suggest you try cables in various locations and see what you like. Generally, the acoustic traits of the cable closest to the source takes precedence.

lol this is low key amazing, the idea that one part of the signal chain would have a greater influence over the overall output than another, golf clap for that one

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:06 (six months ago) Permalink

Beck – Lost Cause (96/24)
The CAT6 is still very music but not as atmospheric.
CAT6 is much flatter and the bass lacks weight and slam.
The CAT7 made a huge difference in the melody and construction of this song. The intro comes to life with all its intricate sounds.
Very holographic. The CAT6…all of it is smeared together. You really don’t know what you’re missing.

you honestly don't what you're missing until you've heard Beck smeared together into a big hologram

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:07 (six months ago) Permalink

THAT'S NOT HOW DIGITAL WORKS GODDAMNIT

the evening redness at the injection site (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:40 (six months ago) Permalink

I probably missed a Beck "resulting paste" joke there

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:49 (six months ago) Permalink

it's really not how it works

softie (silby), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:07 (six months ago) Permalink

it's not even in the same ballpark with reality

mh, Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:09 (six months ago) Permalink

I'm not sure if I want to listen to "Lost Cause" with the bass "slamming," tbqh.

(please no jokes here about not wanting to listen to "Lost Cause" at all, tyvm)

Guy Pidgeotto (Tom Violence), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:36 (six months ago) Permalink

CAT7 made a huge difference in the melody and construction of this song

this is literally true

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:40 (six months ago) Permalink

at least they're appropriately soundtracking the performance of their own disease with that test source

Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:58 (six months ago) Permalink

this has to be a parody

﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 1 June 2017 21:43 (six months ago) Permalink

Parity is the least of their problems.

glenn mcdonald, Friday, 2 June 2017 01:27 (six months ago) Permalink

- But what about CAT5. what if we made CAT5 carry the same bits at the same time?
- But these are CAT7. </Tufnel>

attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, 2 June 2017 04:45 (six months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Am looking to buy an old 1970s amp off eBay, but have read on forums and the like a lot of chatter about pairing certain turntables with certain amps. Is this snake-oil-esque nonsense, or do I really have to tread carefully here?

Senator Luther Strange (stevie), Friday, 11 August 2017 15:22 (four months ago) Permalink

sounds kind of dumb, unless they're talking about newer turntables that have the phono preamp in the turntable rather than relying on that in the amp, as most older ones had

mh, Friday, 11 August 2017 15:27 (four months ago) Permalink

Yeah, I think it's kind of people who are "hi-fi experts" indulging their hi-fi expertism. My hearing's pole-axed by two decades of gigs so I just want one that sounds good and has VU meters why because they are KOOL

Senator Luther Strange (stevie), Friday, 11 August 2017 15:29 (four months ago) Permalink

I mean... different things can sound different together but I you gotta remember forum posters are all the type who have loud, violent opinions about what are, to most people, minor differences. I wouldn't sweat it too much.

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 12 August 2017 03:25 (four months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Have been scanning various forums to try and remedy some issues with my turntable, which have been discussed on various ILX hi-fi threads passim, but I have broken through into the world of protractors, inner groove distortion and force scale gauges. I have no idea what is snake oil or what is real now, up is down, right is wrong and I am baffled as shit and wishing there were evening classes in Turntable Repair like there used to be for simple car mechanics.

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 13:24 (three months ago) Permalink

you've probably got some demonic electrons trapped in your amp, you're gonna need to get an acoustic exorcist to take a look at it but i warn you it ain't gonna be cheap

frankfurters take on new glamour in this gleaming aspic (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 14:24 (three months ago) Permalink

:(

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 16:56 (three months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

http://shop.mapleshadestore.com/Mapleshade-Static-Draining-Brush/productinfo/SDBRUSH/

MAYBE this thing makes sense for vinyl, but for CDs??

DJI, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 05:53 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I think they would have more fun spending money on drugs and listening to music than buying a brush.

earlnash, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 05:57 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Utter bullshit, a static charge is unable to affect how light reflects from an optical discs's binary pits. Even for LPs the issue with static is attracting dust, not some magical effect on the needle in the groove.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 05:58 (four weeks ago) Permalink

*disc's - sigh

attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 05:58 (four weeks ago) Permalink

This Stooges box set with 9 different takes on "Dirt" sounds so exquisite on this black tar heroin in this old 90s boombox after I sold my McIntosh poweramp to Big Al up in Stuebensville. While not as definitively high fi, the boombox's aurual distortion along with the nodding out pulls out a true extension of the artist intentions.

earlnash, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 06:10 (four weeks ago) Permalink

getting closer to the pure source

attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 06:15 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Awesome audiophile hash oil I have known and loved

bumbling my way toward the light or wahtever (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 14:31 (four weeks ago) Permalink


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