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Did a search and I didn't find one single ILM thread devoted to this very famous album. Neither a poll thread nor anything else. So consider this not only the "Violator" poll, but also the "Violator" thread.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Enjoy the Silence 21
Policy of Truth 18
Waiting for the Night 8
World in My Eyes 6
Halo 5
Clean4
Sweetest Perfection 3
Personal Jesus 3
Blue Dress 2


Geir Hongro, Saturday, 27 October 2007 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

Voted "Halo" btw, although like most Depeche albums this one is crowded with gems.

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 27 October 2007 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

17 years later and I still can't figure out why "Sea of Sin" didn't make the proper tracklist. O wellz! "World in My Eyes" it is then!

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 27 October 2007 17:19 (twelve years ago) link

"Sea Of Sin" may not even have been written yet by the time of the album's release. "Dangerous", however, is one of their best ever b-sides.

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 27 October 2007 17:20 (twelve years ago) link

Would have been fun to write the book. And maybe one day I will.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 27 October 2007 17:28 (twelve years ago) link

Oh my. Most difficult poll yet.

Roz, Saturday, 27 October 2007 17:32 (twelve years ago) link

http://thugradio.net/violator.jpg

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 27 October 2007 17:41 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/v/viol8r2.jpg

latebloomer, Saturday, 27 October 2007 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

every song is a winner; i voted "Blue Dress" favorite, for personal reasons.

stephen, Sunday, 28 October 2007 02:58 (twelve years ago) link

also: i betcha every song in this poll gets at least one vote.

stephen, Sunday, 28 October 2007 02:58 (twelve years ago) link

- Yo, Miss Thing!
- Yo Merisa, what's up?
- You heard what happened at the Donut Hill the other night? - Yo I
was there and those De La kids was fighting, yo they was wildin'.
- Word man?
- Word, the whole thing happened in front of my face, yo, they was on
the dance floor, right, some kid stepped up to
them and said something about hippies, then punks, and the chubby one,
Plug Three?
- Yeah. Plug Three, yeah I know him.
- All right, Plug Three, all right, he walked up to this kid, hit him
real quick, think he didn't when he did, and then them
other kids the Jungle Brothers and Quest and, um, what's the other
ones, the other ones?
- The Violators.
- The Violators, right, right, throwing chairs, and they didn't care
who they was hitting, you think they wasn't?
- Yeah. I know, I thought it was supposed to be about peace signs,
things like that, you know...

PappaWheelie V, Sunday, 28 October 2007 04:48 (twelve years ago) link

Policy Of Truth

zeus, Sunday, 28 October 2007 10:57 (twelve years ago) link

can't stp myself going for enjoy the silence...

CharlieNo4, Sunday, 28 October 2007 13:22 (twelve years ago) link

I voted for "Clean" because I was in the mood for it, but normally I probably would have voted for something else. Not sure what.

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 28 October 2007 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

unjustly praised song: Failure's cover of "Enjoy the Silence" which is utterly bested by the original.

agree/disagree?

stephen, Sunday, 28 October 2007 20:57 (twelve years ago) link

"waiting for the night" ... it was between that and "enjoy the silence", but that seems a bit obvious, and i remember thinking WFTN was the most awesome thing i'd ever heard when i was 15. (and, indeed, trying to convince my jazz'n'blues-lovin' dad of the same. he wasn't convinced.)

i've had a discussion with ned about the "ping" noise at the end of "enjoy the silence", and about the "cru-ci-fied" interlude, so there must be some other violatin' thread going on here ...

grimly fiendish, Sunday, 28 October 2007 22:00 (twelve years ago) link

Might have just been on a general Depeche thread, of which there are tons.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 28 October 2007 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

"Enjoy the Silence" one of my favorite songs ever. That song still gets played on the radio in Chicago all the time.

talrose, Sunday, 28 October 2007 23:07 (twelve years ago) link

This is a good album, but not-so-good compared to Depeche Mode's earlier output. I think I like every single album they released before this one more.

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 28 October 2007 23:15 (twelve years ago) link

even "a broken frame"?

(which i've recently rediscovered and think is wonderful. but i feel i'm alone in that.)

grimly fiendish, Sunday, 28 October 2007 23:17 (twelve years ago) link

ESPECIALLY "A Broken Frame," which features some of their best songs AND their best instrumental.

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 28 October 2007 23:29 (twelve years ago) link

All that you're saying
The games that you're playing

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 28 October 2007 23:35 (twelve years ago) link

I think part of the reason "A Broken Frame" gets slagged off so much is that it doesn't work as an album like their later releases. It's more a loose collection of songs. Construction Time Again avoids this by being more or less a concept album; after that they played around enough with song textures & transitions to be a true album band as well as a singles band. But the songs on "A Broken Frame" are fantastic.

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 28 October 2007 23:39 (twelve years ago) link

Hide what you have to hide, and tell what you have to tell.

Euler, Monday, 29 October 2007 00:19 (twelve years ago) link

"A Broken Frame" is OK, I guess.

I mean, I love all of their 80s output, and if there is one DM 80s album that is slightly overrated then "Music Is The Masses" is the one (their second worst album, only beaten by the U2/NIN-wannabe-album "Songs Of Faith And Devotion").

But "A Broken Frame" is slightly to shizo to be perfect in my book. The "dark" tracks are great, "The Meaning of Love" and "Photograph" are not.

Btw. I have now had the chance to hear the surround mixes, and they are fantastic. Particularly the ones for "Black Celebration", "Violator" and "Exciter".

Geir Hongro, Monday, 29 October 2007 00:21 (twelve years ago) link

"Photograph" is one of the weaker tracks on ABF but I still like it just fine. I'm kinda biased wrt stuff like "The Meaning of Love" because I spent much of my first year w/my current driving around listening to "Catching Up With Depeche Mode" and so all the cute early singles make me happy.

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 29 October 2007 00:30 (twelve years ago) link

*w/my current gf

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 29 October 2007 00:30 (twelve years ago) link

i've had a discussion with ned about the "ping" noise at the end of "enjoy the silence"
-- grimly fiendish, Sunday, October 28, 2007 5:00 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

i for one would absolutely *love* to read this.
anyone have a link? Ned? grimly?

come on guys!

stephen, Monday, 29 October 2007 00:34 (twelve years ago) link

i accidentally voted for enjoy the silence but should have voted 'policy of truth', i can't switch it though!

daria-g, Monday, 29 October 2007 01:24 (twelve years ago) link

"Enjoy The Silence" is one of those rare Utterly Perfect Songs® and I had to vote for it, as much as I love about five other songs from this album.

Lostandfound, Monday, 29 October 2007 07:46 (twelve years ago) link

I think I went with "Halo" last night but I want to change it to "Enjoy the Silence" now, argh.

Roz, Monday, 29 October 2007 07:56 (twelve years ago) link

"Enjoy The Silence' is awkward, bewildered romanticism on a par with some of the best New Order songs.

Lostandfound, Monday, 29 October 2007 07:58 (twelve years ago) link

"Enjoy The Silence" is way better than anything ever made by New Order (not that I have anything against New Order either).

Geir Hongro, Monday, 29 October 2007 09:03 (twelve years ago) link

No, not better, I said "on a par with" ferchrissakes.

Lostandfound, Monday, 29 October 2007 09:16 (twelve years ago) link

I'm going to wait for the final bump on this, I think. It's 'Clean' today, but will be something else tomorrow.

aldo, Monday, 29 October 2007 10:17 (twelve years ago) link

"enjoy the silence" is DM-do-NO and, while i love it, doesn't even come close to the great hewn-from-diamond NO moments.

somewhere i've got a massively lengthy mix of it on a cassette single, which is awe-inspiring.

grimly fiendish, Monday, 29 October 2007 13:59 (twelve years ago) link

"Enjoy The Silence" is one of those rare Utterly Perfect Songs®

my feelings exactly.

the sasha & digweed trance mix ain't bad.

ledge, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:30 (twelve years ago) link

Listening to "Enjoy the Silence" on Top 40 radio in the summer of '90 reminded me what "Like A Prayer" did to me the year before: it was filthy and utterly awesome.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:37 (twelve years ago) link

I think part of the reason "A Broken Frame" gets slagged off so much is that it doesn't work as an album like their later releases. It's more a loose collection of songs. Construction Time Again avoids this by being more or less a concept album; after that they played around enough with song textures & transitions to be a true album band as well as a singles band. But the songs on "A Broken Frame" are fantastic.

I think this is exactly right.

BTW: "Waiting For The Night" is my vote but it was almost "Blue Dress" or "Policy of Truth". I'm guessing if one song doesn't get a vote, it will be "Sweetest Perfection".

HI DERE, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:40 (twelve years ago) link

A couple of years ago it would have been "Clean". Now I think I'll go with "Waiting for the Night". I fear that "World in my Eyes" will be overlooked, but it is an amazing opener.

baaderonixx, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:51 (twelve years ago) link

I have to be predictable and vote for "Enjoy the Silence". You know, because it's one of my top two or three favourite songs ever.

"Sweetest Perfection" is definitely the ugly duckling here, but as the stopgap between two incredible singles, it works. They got the sequencing perfect with this one. Slot it anywhere else, and it hurts the album quite noticeably.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

Sweetest Perfection is grebt! I used to think halo was a bit meh but really it's all good. No unfavourites on this album at all.

ledge, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:50 (twelve years ago) link

Policy of Truth doesn't get enough luv

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 29 October 2007 17:03 (twelve years ago) link

^^^^^^^^ true

HI DERE, Monday, 29 October 2007 17:12 (twelve years ago) link

That reminds me I need to download NO's "Republic"...

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 29 October 2007 17:15 (twelve years ago) link

wow. tough poll. was leaning towards 'clean' but in the end went with 'enjoy the silence' - it really IS one of those perfect songs.

and for those who haven't seen the new re-issue companion DVDs, the guys clearly didn't have a lot of love for 'a broken frame'. martin was quite frank about it being his least favourite DM album. however daniel miller was right - 'sun & the rainfall' is a killer track, neatly tucked away at the end of the album...

Rob Bolton, Monday, 29 October 2007 17:22 (twelve years ago) link

Sweetest Perfection is grebt!

It is, but I don't know a single person who wouldn't put at least one other song on the album ahead of it.

So many of the songs on A Broken Frame are really great in isolation (ESPECIALLY "The Sun and the Rainfall" and "Shouldn't Have Done That") but listening to that whole album at once really makes my skin crawl.

HI DERE, Monday, 29 October 2007 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

it's really only "a photograph of you" that upsets me about ABF. the rest of it -- all of it -- i love. yes, even "see you". and TS&TR is just blinding, yes.

agree with ledge: there's not a moment on this album that is less than wonderful. maybe i should have gone with "enjoy the silence" after all ... but it's bound to win, and i really do think "waiting for the night" is the pivotal track.

grimly fiendish, Monday, 29 October 2007 17:56 (twelve years ago) link

I wanted to vote "Enjoy the Silence," but couldn't bring myself to do it when half the arrangement is just a reworking of "Stripped."

Johnny Fever, Monday, 29 October 2007 18:12 (twelve years ago) link

As this has become almost as much a "Broken Frame" thread as a "Violator" one, just let me add that "Leave In Silence" and "Nothing To Fear" are both absolutely and totally ace!

Geir Hongro, Monday, 29 October 2007 21:46 (twelve years ago) link

prob the most popular 'modern rock' album for scoring gay pr0n in the '90s

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 17:02 (four years ago) link

this is my go to for "this thing is so and so many years old but so and so many years before that thomas edison invented the tampon." enjoy the silence my ass. the void is screaming back at you. time is fucked up seriously. there were at least full three cultural cycles in the 1980s by my count but this was barely one and a half cultural cycles ago? the beatles barely got off the plane yet two violators ago. three violators ago people were buying war bonds. this shit was just yesterday.

slugbuggy, Saturday, 8 August 2015 06:24 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

I've been spending so much time with Spirit this year that I've realised I haven't returned to Violator in a while. Listening to this with that in mind, I'm struck by how different both Gahan's and Gore's voices are now - and not neccessarily for the better either.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:17 (two years ago) link

Like, Gahan's vocals on Violator are definitely untutored, but the overall sound of his voice is far easier on the ear, I think.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:20 (two years ago) link

Oh yeah, and I'll always love the way 'Blue Dress' segues into 'Clean' via 'Interlude Nr. 3' ... this is one of those albums where side one is awesome and side two still manages to blow it out of the water.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:25 (two years ago) link

yeah Gahan's singing is obviously more skilled now but I defintely prefer his old hoarse drone

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:34 (two years ago) link

good god i love "policy of truth"

brimstead, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 16:26 (two years ago) link

Yeah, it's probably my favourite track on the album, although it's a tough choice!

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 17:01 (two years ago) link

This thread inspired me to listen to the whole album end to end for the first time in god knows how long, and Jesus Christ it’s all killer isn’t it? The sound design is so much more detailed than I remember it, a weird collage of familiar 90s presets with textbook Fairlight sampling. And correct me if I’m wrong; but there weren’t many electronic bands at that point embracing 6/8 the way DM did?

Side note: me and a friend covered Policy of Truth for an 8-bit compilation a couple of years back: https://8bitoperators.bandcamp.com/track/policy-of-truth

bamboohouses, Thursday, 23 November 2017 00:32 (two years ago) link

it really does sound incredible... flood is an iron chef here.
i was thinking about that cascading feedback/e-bowing that closes "policy of truth".. it's an amazing sound and it's mixed so well.

understood by moron level and above (brimstead), Thursday, 23 November 2017 00:45 (two years ago) link

Francois Kervorkian mixed the album and apparently he was really anal about it - there's stories about the band listening in to him mixing and all they can hear is a hi-hat or something and they're thinking "what is he doing!?"

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:13 (two years ago) link

*Kevorkian, sorry.

He also mixed Kraftwerk's Electric Cafe.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:15 (two years ago) link

Violator is the last good Depeche Mode album

crüt, Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:16 (two years ago) link

"Kervorkian" is the misspelling they used in the Violator liner notes iirc

crüt, Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:17 (two years ago) link

ut i stand by "enjoy the silence" because i could write thesis about it

― max, Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:00 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Why because it footnote interstin

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:00 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:29 (two years ago) link

i sang Policy of Truth at karaoke tonight....the song is just fuckin infectious

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:31 (two years ago) link

xxpost:

Yeah, it's understandable to think that. Violator represents a peak of sorts - the one it was all leading up to, and the one that everything after was in the shadow of. I still think Songs of Faith and Devotion and Ultra are great records, though - and generally see 1984-1998 as one long extended period of greatness. After that, it gets spotty.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:34 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

As of last week, "Personal Jesus" is now thirty years old.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 September 2019 17:27 (six months ago) link

Your own
Middle-aged
Jesus

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 6 September 2019 17:31 (six months ago) link

I have a good friend, a bit older than me, who used to be at least a casual fan of Depeche Mode throughout the '80s... until Violator! I can't really conceive of that album being the jump-ship point. He reserves a huge hunk of animus for "Personal Jesus," specifically.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 6 September 2019 17:31 (six months ago) link

There is a subset of DM fandom who went "ew guitars" on that song

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 6 September 2019 17:34 (six months ago) link

That Rich Cotton Dub of Enjoy the Silence is so good.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 6 September 2019 17:35 (six months ago) link

All discerning Depeche Mode fans bailed after Violator. It was obvious on SoFAD that the band were done creatively and now it was just Junkie Dave thinking he's Jesus and over-singing every song. There's nothing essential released after 1990.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 6 September 2019 17:37 (six months ago) link

Er... no.

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 6 September 2019 17:39 (six months ago) link

Yeah, that's...wrong.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 September 2019 17:41 (six months ago) link

There is a subset of DM fandom who went "ew guitars" on that song

"...you know there's guitars on "Never Let Me Down Again" and "Behind the Wheel," right?"

"NOT LISTENING!"

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 September 2019 17:42 (six months ago) link

I was going to follow up with "these are, of course, the same morons who lose their shit when any given MFTM single pops up" but got distracted

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 6 September 2019 17:44 (six months ago) link

I have a good friend, a bit older than me, who used to be at least a casual fan of Depeche Mode throughout the '80s... until Violator!

That's pretty much me actually. I became a fan in '84 or '85 when my older sister got Some Great Reward and the People are People comp, bought all the earlier and later albums through MFTM, saw the '88 tour, saw 101 in the theater on opening night -- and haven't bought anything since. I didn't dislike Personal Jesus or Enjoy the Silence and have nothing against guitars, there was just something about them that seemed less interesting in some way. It could've just been oversaturation; prior to Violator I didn't hear much DM if I wasn't playing them myself; when that came out I was hearing those songs all the time and for whatever reason didn't feel like I needed the album. I've been meaning to check it out after seeing all the praise for it here over the years.

early rejecter, Friday, 6 September 2019 19:24 (six months ago) link

display names vmic

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 6 September 2019 19:32 (six months ago) link

they peaked with Speak and Spell

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 6 September 2019 19:49 (six months ago) link

more like peak and pell

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 6 September 2019 19:50 (six months ago) link

lol

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 6 September 2019 19:50 (six months ago) link

I hate the term “bucket list” but this band is one of my top “bucket list” bands to see live

brimstead, Friday, 6 September 2019 19:54 (six months ago) link

Not that I haven’t had zillions of opportunities!!

brimstead, Friday, 6 September 2019 19:55 (six months ago) link

All discerning Depeche Mode fans bailed after Violator. It was obvious on SoFAD that the band were done creatively and now it was just Junkie Dave thinking he's Jesus and over-singing every song. There's nothing essential released after 1990.

― brotherlovesdub

This is clearly trolling, and yet it describes my relationship with their music pretty accurately

enochroot, Sunday, 8 September 2019 01:55 (six months ago) link

I can sort of see why someone would think that Depeche Mode didn't do anything worthwhile after violator or that an 80s Depeche Mode fan would not like Personal Jesus, but I can't imagine why a Depeche Mode fan would not like something like World in my Eyes or sweetest perfection

silverfish, Sunday, 8 September 2019 02:32 (six months ago) link

can we post 50 reasons why we love "Halo" like we did in the Tusk thread?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 September 2019 02:33 (six months ago) link

I’ve said this before, but “Halo” is a proper second verse short of greatness.

Tim F, Sunday, 8 September 2019 06:00 (six months ago) link

six months pass...

Thirty years old today.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 March 2020 15:11 (two weeks ago) link

Happy birthday! The production on this has aged very well.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 19 March 2020 16:18 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah it really pops

Tim F, Thursday, 19 March 2020 19:35 (two weeks ago) link

Still one of the GOATs.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 19 March 2020 19:36 (two weeks ago) link

Celebrating the 30th birthday by blasting this today. What an album.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 20 March 2020 09:18 (two weeks ago) link

I have nothing bad to say about this album (except maybe ... 'undetectedly'?) Listening to the bonus tracks though makes it all the more remarkable, they are entirely lacking in whatever kind of magic was captured in the album proper.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Friday, 20 March 2020 12:20 (two weeks ago) link

Totally, the drop in quality is pretty incredible. The album seems to have been born fully formed

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 20 March 2020 12:28 (two weeks ago) link

"Dangerous" and "Sea of Sin" are two of their best ever b-sides, but it's true that neither would fit on the album proper. They're great songs, but they still can't touch most of Violator.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 20 March 2020 22:57 (two weeks ago) link

sea of sun and happiest girl are songs I would place pretty high in my ranking of Depeche Mode tracks, but as mentioned, neither would have fit in this album.

this is almost certainly the album I've listened to the most in my life and while I don't really listen to it that much anymore (I can play it entirely in my head whenever I want) it still holds up surprisingly well

silverfish, Saturday, 21 March 2020 01:45 (one week ago) link

“Dangerous” comes closest to feeling like it could slot in. Then again, I’ve always had that feeling about “Never Let Me Down Again”, too. Production-wise especially, that track sounds like a sonic bridge from the record before.

vmajestic, Saturday, 21 March 2020 14:41 (one week ago) link

man this is the best album ever made

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 21 March 2020 19:38 (one week ago) link

It's burned into my brain to the point I barely need to listen to it anymore, but I think this probably is still the best album ever made. I've never really taken to the Violator b-sides though (or many DM b-sides at all)

Vinnie, Monday, 23 March 2020 00:37 (one week ago) link


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