The King Crimson studio album poll

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Why? Because I'm listening to Discipline and thinking it might be my favorite, even though the mid-70's incarnation of the band was clearly the best. What a confusing, nerdy band. God have mercy on your soul if you vote for a post-80's album.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Red (October 1974) 16
In the Court of the Crimson King (October 1969) 12
Starless and Bible Black (June 1974) 8
Discipline (1981) 6
Larks' Tongues in Aspic (April 1973) 4
The ConstruKction of Light (2000) 3
THRAK (1995) 2
Three of a Perfect Pair (1984); 2
Lizard (December 1970) 1
The Power to Believe (2003)1
Beat (1982) 0
In the Wake of Poseidon (May 1970) 0
Islands (December 1971) 0


Davey D, Monday, 22 October 2007 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Red - King Crimson

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 22 October 2007 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Larks' Tongues in Aspic (April 1973)
Starless and Bible Black (June 1974)

cant decide between these two

chaki, Monday, 22 October 2007 20:33 (fourteen years ago) link

red ftw

Edward III, Monday, 22 October 2007 20:34 (fourteen years ago) link

So torn between Red and Larks'

Jon Lewis, Monday, 22 October 2007 20:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Voted for Red, because I like that 80s live album better than the studio stuff

Jordan, Monday, 22 October 2007 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link

My vote's for Red.

A. Begrand, Monday, 22 October 2007 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link

starless

chaki, Monday, 22 October 2007 20:41 (fourteen years ago) link

CONTROVERSIAL

Jordan, Monday, 22 October 2007 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link

somebody likes live improv

Davey D, Monday, 22 October 2007 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link

huh? starless is a favorite among music fans.

chaki, Monday, 22 October 2007 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Islands or Lizards would be controversial, not Starless

Jon Lewis, Monday, 22 October 2007 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Me being one of them! The majority of the album's tracks are live improvs though.

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Davey D, Monday, 22 October 2007 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think I have any of the studio albums anymore. I sold them all in college meaning to get the remasters, and then lost interest and never did.

Lizards is a weird fucking record.

Jordan, Monday, 22 October 2007 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

"red" but i'm realising i've not listened to this stuff for so long that my mind might have changed.

grimly fiendish, Monday, 22 October 2007 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Lark's Tongues here. Sailor's Tale is one of my favorite songs by them, but I hate the rest of Islands. Red is my 2nd choice, In the Court of the Crimson King is my 3rd.

rockapads, Monday, 22 October 2007 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Lark's Tongue in a photo finish with Starless, Jamie Muir the deciding factor. That guy was wack.

ellaguru, Monday, 22 October 2007 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link

oh shit. you're right.

chaki, Monday, 22 October 2007 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Can't decide between Larks and Discipline.

Rock Hardy, Monday, 22 October 2007 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I love Muir's work on Lark's Tongue's. Red just kicks ass though.

Bill Magill, Monday, 22 October 2007 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I voted for Discipline as it was a kick in the head for me who was a punk rocker and heard something I never heard before when it came out. At the time no one sang or spoke like Adrian Belew did not even David Byrne. Today it does sound less exciting but at the time it was really oddball. It was not screaming, it was not singing, it was not spoken word. It was not even nervous in the style of Talking Heads or Devo. It was just this voice that bobbed up and down.

I did go back to listen to the 70s records and they are good. I do not get why everyone loves Red. It rocks. I enjoy it. But what does this record do that Black Sabbath or Deep Purple or even Genesis didnt do better years before?

Islands and Starless And Bible Black are more interesting than Red, which is fun the first few times but that is it.

Discipline is the one for me. Three Of A Perfect Pair comes close. If I had to chose a record side, Side B of Three Of A Perfect Pair would get my vote.

Miza Din II, Monday, 22 October 2007 21:12 (fourteen years ago) link

red is too samey sounding all the way through

chaki, Monday, 22 October 2007 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Jamie Muir ruled. I blew a bunch of money on two of those KCCC live discs that have Muir on them, but it was worth it.

Jon Lewis, Monday, 22 October 2007 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, Muir was dope. I like those 3 mid-70's albums to such a similar degree that I think it would be impossible for me to pick a favorite.

Davey D, Monday, 22 October 2007 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link

I bought that "Great Deceiver" set in high school and my friends laughed at me. =(

Davey D, Monday, 22 October 2007 21:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Starless just ahead of Red. Discipline and Court are great albums too though.

Herman G. Neuname, Monday, 22 October 2007 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Red has great drumming, and sounds great too.

Jordan, Monday, 22 October 2007 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Debut or controversial Islands choice for me.

Dan Peterson, Monday, 22 October 2007 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link

They never got better than their debut, although "Lizard" comes close.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 22 October 2007 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Argh too difficult. They all have superb material and boring material.

Too many distinct eras too. It's like presenting a car, a novel and a banana, and asking me which of those is my favourite thing.

Poseidon and Discipline are the only ones I can listen to without skipping much. Red's got 12 minutes of tuning, Crimson King's got 12 minutes of tuning, ConstruKction is excellent gym workout music but annoying in any other environment, and Larks' Tongues lacks something crucial but I can't pinpoint what it is.

If this were an Adrian Belew poll it'd be easy.

Autumn Almanac, Monday, 22 October 2007 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, this poll is soooo Larks' Tongues, baby.

Joe, Monday, 22 October 2007 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Okay Red it is, pretending Providence never existed.

Autumn Almanac, Monday, 22 October 2007 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link

G-Bflat-C-C#-Bflat-C
G-Bflat-C-C#-Bflat-C
G-Bflat-C....C#...C...
[clamoring Bruford snare/cymbal fill] F-F# etc.

Joe, Monday, 22 October 2007 23:13 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrT2jEv_Yws

Joe, Monday, 22 October 2007 23:15 (fourteen years ago) link

sadly i voted for ItCotCK, when I know RED or Starless are just as good

CaptainLorax, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link

itcock

Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 01:03 (fourteen years ago) link

disciplin

gman, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 01:37 (fourteen years ago) link

in the wop

Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 01:43 (fourteen years ago) link

construkction. simply because it's the only KC album I listen to from start to finish.

there's certainly some great stuff on the other albums, but they're not very consistent, and much skipping is required. I don't think KC have ever really worked in soft balladeering mode.

m the g, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 08:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Matte Kudasai? Inner Garden I & II? One Time? Cadence and Cascade? I Talk to the Wind?

Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 11:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm nitpicking, I know.

Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 11:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh they haven't worked, not they haven't worked. I see what you mean now.

Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 11:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Court or Discipline, just to be a cunt.

King Boy Pato, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 13:15 (fourteen years ago) link

I picked "Starless & Bible Black", I like a load of their records about equally, I just went on which one would I want to listen to now if I had them all in front of me.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 13:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Going with Three of a Perfect Pair, but might've easily gone with In the Court Of.. or Discipline or Earthbound.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 13:49 (fourteen years ago) link

wait, Earthbound is live, never mind that one.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 13:50 (fourteen years ago) link

I really like Providence, I don't think, it's just "tuning"

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:01 (fourteen years ago) link

thank you, thank you, thank you, dear kc thread! you've given me a fab new word -- itcockin'!

and as i'm 'ready here, might as well vote. as well.

done it. i'm all for starless. ('tleast today)

t**t, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:26 (fourteen years ago) link

almost impossible to do one overall. i chose lark's because i'm boring but it could just as easily have been red, discipline, or beat

akm, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link

lizard

kamerad, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krsai3plmKw

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 14:14 (four years ago) link

(EVH, Levin, Hammer and Jerry Marotta, pretty close!)

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 14:16 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

So I've only sporadically poked into their catalog as I've been spurred on by coming across CDs in the wilds. Up to now my KC collection has been limited to ITCOTCK, Poseidon, Lark's Tongue and Red in terms of main studio albums. I've also got a handful of live releases (USA, The Nightwatch, Marquee '69, KCCC 24 Guildford - like I said, grabbing what I come across). Outside of that I've been surviving with those excellent ilxor mixes - but I've felt a desire for a deep dive creeping up.

Left unimpressed with what I'd heard of the '80s stuff, I'd never bothered beyond that. But I came across a really cheap copy of The Power to Believe and I'm surprised by how much I like it! Of course I already have a tolerance for progressive metal, so that probably helps, but this was better than the reputation led me to believe.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:37 (one year ago) link

Do Lizard next!

J. Sam, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:51 (one year ago) link

THRAK is a pretty good one too. there are plenty of good 21st Century live sets, I like Heavy ConstruKction a lot (even if the studio album wasn't so hot) and of course all the recent live albums are incredible, though you really only need one of them

as for the 80s stuff...you may want to pick up Absent Lovers, its like the 80s albums on steroids. idk if there are any overdubs on it or if the band really was just that good. it's insane, maybe one of the best live albums ever.

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:57 (one year ago) link

I was trying to decide between Lizard and Starless next.

Forgot to mention that I do have two of the more recent live sets (Radical Action, Live at the Orpheum), both of which I enjoyed.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:08 (one year ago) link

I'm so delighted those mixes are still in play. I've always meant to make more volumes of live stuff...

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 00:19 (one year ago) link

Those mixes are great. I have everything by KC but I still sometimes put them on.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 00:25 (one year ago) link

KC has been the most sustaining music of my life up to this point. A buddy at work wanted to get into them and it got me into reliving everything I loved about them all over again.

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 00:29 (one year ago) link

I have all the albums up through Red, the Epitaph box (four CDs of radio sessions and liveage from 1969), and three recent live sets: Radical Action, Meltdown (live in Mexico City) and the Audio Diary, which is five CDs, one each from 2014-2018. I'm pretty astonished how much of a fan of this band I've become, really only in the last five years or so. I was always much more into Yes and ELP, but at some point a switch flipped and they just started to make sense to me. I really like how radically they've been transforming their material live in recent years.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 01:38 (one year ago) link

I think KC's innate heaviness has served them well. They never (well, rarely) were cheesy or corny or too D&D the way a lot of prog bands could be.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 01:51 (one year ago) link

They never (well, rarely) were cheesy or corny

This bit of corniness is kind of endearing to me.

Said the straight man to the late man
Where have you been
I've been here and I've been there
And I've been in between
I talk to the wind
My words are all carried away
I talk to the wind
The wind does not hear
The wind cannot hear...

nickn, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 02:06 (one year ago) link

And the song is pretty.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 02:07 (one year ago) link

Glad to see a bit of Lizard love. It's not their best album, but the whole last track / suite is one of my favourites by them and I especially like the Bolero. My guess is that Fripp is a big Ravel fan in general

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 5 March 2020 11:31 (one year ago) link

I still prefer In The Wake Of Poseidon to ITCOTCK - listened to that yesterday and enjoyed the whole thing

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 5 March 2020 11:32 (one year ago) link

Do you ever fantasise about hearing Easy Money on a massive reggae rig, or is that just me. Followed by a dubbed to fuckery version of course. What a groove. It's just not possible to get this loud enough at home.

Noel Emits, Thursday, 5 March 2020 11:51 (one year ago) link

An older hippie friend of mine said his dream was to hear Easy Star Allstars cover the whole of Larks Tongues in a dub-reggae style

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 5 March 2020 11:52 (one year ago) link

Gonnna give Islands a listen now for the first time.

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 5 March 2020 11:54 (one year ago) link

hmmm... the Lizard / Islands era is maybe the least appreciated KC period, but I like the jazziness of Formentera Lady. Little bit of a Can-esque vibe going on too.

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 5 March 2020 12:02 (one year ago) link

I was a "fuck everything they did before Larks" person for many years, heard Lizard in like 93 and strongly disliked it, but finally bought Lizard and Islands two years ago. "Sailors Tale" is a major major achievement, but I'm afraid I still think the rest of Islands is pretty lousy, particularly "ladies of the road." Lizard is so maximalistically misbegotten that its kinda fun…

veronica moser, Thursday, 5 March 2020 14:02 (one year ago) link

Of the bands I'd call my "favorites," King Crimson probably have the most songs I wish were instrumentals.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 5 March 2020 14:19 (one year ago) link

I used to quite like Ladies of The Road as a quirky Lennon-esque piece when I was younger.

Juno selling KC vinyl for around £16-£17. Very tempting. I definitely want Poseidon, but deliberating between Red, Larks Tongues and Lizard. Red is song-for-song their strongest but I know it reasonably well despite the opening three songs being among my faves. Larks Tongues on the other hand is less known to me but always impresses

Have we ever done a KC poll?

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 5 March 2020 14:20 (one year ago) link

Lizard almost has a "so bad its good" sorta vibe to it in places. it's such a crazy mess and you can definitely hear the tension in the band, it's almost incredible that it came out at all. if you get it you should try and find Steven Wilson's recent remaster, not only does it sound better but it also incorporates parts that weren't in the original

frogbs, Thursday, 5 March 2020 15:37 (one year ago) link

Have we ever done a KC poll?

dude this is it

the grateful dead can dance (anagram), Thursday, 5 March 2020 15:43 (one year ago) link

Poll closes at the end of your natural life

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 5 March 2020 15:52 (one year ago) link

as for the 80s stuff...you may want to pick up Absent Lovers, its like the 80s albums on steroids. idk if there are any overdubs on it or if the band really was just that good. it's insane, maybe one of the best live albums ever.

This has been my line forever, it's wild how good it sounds compared to the studio versions (and how good the playing is). Like one of the very few examples where the live album is the definitive document (maybe I'll start a thread!).

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 5 March 2020 15:57 (one year ago) link

haha I meant a tracks poll. might be difficult with all the live versions etc

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 5 March 2020 18:12 (one year ago) link

Speaking of definitive documents, that was The Great Deceiver set for me.

As far as I'm concerned it has the best versions of all the cuts off of Starless, the great (and rare) Wetton-sung Cat Food, and all the LTIA IIs I could ever want.

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:55 (one year ago) link

Listened to 'Absent Lovers' yesterday... my God!

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 6 March 2020 15:21 (one year ago) link

If the world needed a heavy-metal version of The Name Of This Band Is Talking Heads, this is it

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 6 March 2020 15:21 (one year ago) link

Robert Fripp got the cranky old person memo that touring all the time is a lot more lucrative than not touring and grousing from the sidelines.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 12:07 (one year ago) link

looks like no west coast dates tho :(

haven't seen them since chicago five or more years ago now! last west coast gigs they skipped portland for some reason. hey guys, soft machine played here last year! on the same date as the crazy world of arthur brown! clearly there's a market, right?

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 13:28 (one year ago) link

They're playing Forest Hills Stadium in Queens, which is a great venue (I saw Kamasi Washington there), but it's a co-headlining show with Dweezil Zappa's covering-Dad's-music thing - ugh.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 13:44 (one year ago) link

The Zappa band is not Dweezil's band. The Zappa Family Trust has their own thing out there.

Please note The Zappa Band touring unit is: Ray White (lead vocals, guitar), Mike Keneally (guitar, keys, vocals), Scott Thunes (bassist) and Robert Martin (keyboards, sax, vocals). Also joining are ZPZ alums Jamie Kime (guitar) and ZAPPA archivist Joe “Vaultmeister” Travers (drums, vocals). The band will be performing a mix of Zappa classics along with new and rare Zappa compositions. Described as “the ultimate Zappa alumni band in partnership the Zappa Trust” this tour will not be appearing with the hologram of Frank Zappa.

Miami weisse (WmC), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 14:07 (one year ago) link

Getting their revenge by sacking the hologram

panic-buying the upmarket pasta (Matt #2), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 14:12 (one year ago) link

I heard the hologram was fired for just chain smoking and making snide, derisive, cynical, sarcastic comments and fart jokes.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 14:16 (one year ago) link

The Zappa band is not Dweezil's band. The Zappa Family Trust has their own thing out there.

Wow, that's actually worse.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 15:27 (one year ago) link

not really, it's players from Zappas band playing music they used to play.

akm, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 17:13 (one year ago) link

that said I'm bummed about this because it's a co-headlining tour I think, which means shorter KC sets, also, I'm not really a Zappa fan at all. but it's all moot since they aren't coming to the west coast this time anyway

akm, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 17:14 (one year ago) link

Hoping that 2021 gets another full tour with Bill Rieflin back.

akm, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 17:14 (one year ago) link

i highly recommend the two (I think) records Rieflin did with Fripp and Gunn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Ixbtg9GqQ

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 18:19 (one year ago) link

the Zappa set might be kinda fun to see but this is coming nowhere near me so

still bummed I had to miss the new KC in Milwaukee on account of it being my son's birthday. if he ever gets into the band I'll be sure to let him know at every opportunity

frogbs, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 18:26 (one year ago) link

i missed Roger Waters' Wall tour to see my then-5 year old in a play in which he had exactly one line. Now that he's almost 14 and into Pink Floyd I remind him constantly that he caused me to miss this.

akm, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 19:54 (one year ago) link

fear not, Roger will tour the wall until he dies

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 20:18 (one year ago) link

I know i say this every hundred posts or so, but all I really want from Crim at this point is Larks part 6 written and performed by this iteration.

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 20:19 (one year ago) link

ohhh I just realized "Level Five" is Larks 5

frogbs, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 20:41 (one year ago) link

We’re debating this. I’ve seen this iteration three times now and enjoyed all three but they’ve gotten appreciably better each time. Last time was absolutely mindmeltingly good.

Also wondering how COVID-19 impacts this given the timeframe and the age of Robert and Tony.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 12:48 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

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nostormo, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 02:52 (one week ago) link

In The Court Of The Covid King

nickn, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 04:27 (one week ago) link


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