A Paler Shade of White---Sasha Frere-Jones Podcast and New Yorker article Criticizing Indie Rock for Failing to Incorporate African-American Influences

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In 2003 writer-musician Sasha Frere-Jones did a presentation at EMP called "The White Noise Supremacists, Part Two The Erasure of Labor, Blackness and Popular Culture from Independent Rock." Now in 2007 he's got a New Yorker article, A Paler Shade of White, a New Yorker podcast, and a link to Lester Bangs 1979 Village Voice article "The White Noise Supremacists" on his blog. Some folks have commented on it on the Bill Cosby thread, and Sasha has already posted some questions on the New Yorker blog that he has received.

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/musical/2007/10/22/071022crmu_music_frerejones?currentPage=1

http://www.newyorker.com/online/2007/10/22/071022on_audio_frerejones

http://www.sashafrerejones.com/ on October 15 he posted the link to the Lester Bangs article

What do ya think?

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 01:43 (thirteen years ago) link

lol at 'somebody saw this coming 28 years ago' fuck is he on

the bitching on the cos thread starts here

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link

As others have noted, he suggest that indie rockers because of "racial sensitivity" are not trying to incorporate African-American influences, but compliments Eminem, and ignores the attempts of Linkin Park and Maroon 5.

Bill Cosby defents criticism of Hip Hop...music industry "glorifies the wrong things..."

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link

5. Lil Wayne. "Believe the hype and then multiply it by ten. You are going to feel dumb if you realize in five years that you were too cool to enjoy the dataflow."

and what, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Several groups that experienced commercial success, such as the Flaming Lips and Wilco, drew on the whiter genres of the sixties---respectively, psychedelic music and country rock...

Psychedelic rock was pretty white in terms of the players, but not the sounds: most psychedelic records in the US were totally blues based, and lots of them in the UK and elsewhere as well (we're leaving Donovan out e.g.). Ditto for country rock in the 60s: listen to the first Flying Burrito Bros record and you'll hear not just blues sounds but soul covers. So this claim is pretty blatantly false.

Euler, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link

What the hell is Bangs to have supposed to have seen all those years ago? that a genre sfj basically limits to folkies and brian wilson fans wouldn't have much to do with rap?

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link

have you read the Bangs article?

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Dude, I first read it in high school.

You remember last year when everybody got all mad at me? If that was—to choose a physical analogy—a rowboat, on Monday we launch the QEII. All I will say is this: listen to the podcast before you write your scathing letter. But by all means—write it. Or anything.

Ok, now I actually feel bad for encouraging this guy.

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:05 (thirteen years ago) link

and uh, no I won't listen to your podcast, your article's a pretty shitty ad for it.

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:06 (thirteen years ago) link

have you read SFJ's article, Mr. Que? It really has nothing to do with punks being ignorant and making bad jokes.

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:07 (thirteen years ago) link

so. . .you don't see a connection between what Bangs said and what SFJ is saying?

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:07 (thirteen years ago) link

But by all means—write it. Or anything.

haha sfj knows he's safe with this one, most of the ppl who hate on him can't be bothered to run any deeper than one-line bitch-outs on message boards

J0hn D., Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link

he doesn't have a comment box, dude. and evidently i have to listen to his podcast to have an opinion he wants to hear. that's just cruel.

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link

and this piece is so haphazard and pointless I really don't see how one can "run any deeper" on it without putting a point in his mouth.

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link

you seem awful ticked off, dude. maybe you should try and articulate what's cheesing you off so much instead of bitching about podcasts and remembering good old high school days.

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link

I put a link to the thread where I already did, first post on here.

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link

x-post- Bangs cited specific examples of white punks exhibiting racist behavior. SFJ criticizes Arcade Fire and Wilco for not being rhythmic enough in his article, yet by linking to the Bangs article he is seemingly trying to suggest more. But alas, he has no quotes from Tweedy or Win Butler or whomever saying at a party, "Sasha why you playing that Lil' Wayne'. He lists his e-mail address on his blog btw.

As I watched Arcade Fire, I realized that the drummer and the bassist rarely played syncopated patterns or lingered in the low registers. If there is a trace of soul, blues, reggae, or funk in Arcade Fire, it must be philosophical; it certainly isn’t audible. And what I really wanted to hear, after a stretch of raucous sing-alongs, was a bit of swing, some empty space, and palpable bass frequencies—in other words, attributes of African-American popular music.

There’s no point in faulting Arcade Fire for what it doesn’t do; what’s missing from the band’s musical DNA is missing from dozens of other popular and accomplished rock bands’ as well—most of them less entertaining than Arcade Fire. I’ve spent the past decade wondering why rock and roll, the most miscegenated popular music ever to have existed, underwent a racial re-sorting in the nineteen-nineties. Why did so many white rock bands retreat from the ecstatic singing and intense, voicelike guitar tones of the blues, the heavy African downbeat, and the elaborate showmanship that characterized black music of the mid-twentieth century? These are the volatile elements that launched rock and roll, in the nineteen-fifties, when Elvis Presley stole the world away from Pat Boone and moved popular music from the head to the hips.

Sasha used to love Arcade Fire I thought. He wrote a prior New Yorker article all about them and that show he saw over in London. As others have noted there have been indie bands since the early '80s that did not swing; blues (except for Fat Possum style, Otis Taylor, & chitlin circuit soul) has been transformed by anglos mostly into cliched barband rock; the heavy African downbeat is being kept alive by older African musicians mostly; sometimes Sasha interchanges the term "rock n roll" for indie here without examining non-indie bands; and shouldn't he have said that "African-American rappers" and not "Black musicians" "are now as visible and as influential as white ones. They are granted the same media coverage, recording contracts, and concert bookings" (Non-American black musicians who are not rap or r'n'b are not famous). In his discussion of great live performances he focusses on comparing current indie acts to long-ago African American ones-James Brown and the Meters (there's also no discussion of the muddled embrace jam bands have given to African-American music)

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link

There's already been evidence that SFJ reads ILX threads about himself (and judging by his blog posts he's DYING to) so there's really no reason to e-mail him.

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:17 (thirteen years ago) link

There's already been evidence that SFJ reads ILX threads about himself (and judging by his blog posts he's DYING to) s

http://www.magicdragon.com/SherlockHolmes/SherlockSmall.gif

LOL, what are you the Sherlock Holmes of the Internet?

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link

da croupier that chip is makin' you look like you're wearing shoulderpads or something

J0hn D., Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link

also, just as he's ignoring all the rock bands that aren't "indie rock," he's ignoring all the indie acts that aren't "indie rock" (the stuff that tends to make his best-of lists). He's stacking the deck to a ridiculous extreme.

x-post hey mr. full disclosure feel free to actually acknowledge the complaints rather than settling for "u mad"

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link

"All I have is one-line bitch-outs. This is the fault of the piece I am bitching out."

J0hn D., Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link

especially if you're gonna complain about "one-line bitchouts on message boards"

x-post!

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Dude with respect it's hard to parse what your complaints are through the foam 'n' froth you're bringing here. Here, let me acknowledge this complaint:

lol at 'somebody saw this coming 28 years ago' fuck is he on

Incisive, penetrating criticism there, da croupier, aka the dude who has the nerve to accuse somebody who actually posts under his name of having disclosure issues

J0hn D., Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:28 (thirteen years ago) link

da croupier, if it will make you feel better go ahead and articulate your positions, or complaints. basically as far as i can tell right now your position is: "LOL SFJ Googles himself and didn't write about 311, LOL."

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link

curmudgeon did you the favor of detailing the flaws of the piece in a full paragraph, John. Feel free to respond to it if you think there's no meat.

Mr. que, there was some thread ripping on him a year or so ago and his response-to-the-haters on his blog had some pretty direct references to it.

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:30 (thirteen years ago) link

so?

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah he ain't you so the line about one-line bitch-outs still sticks man, "co-sign" doesn't count as critique

J0hn D., Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:32 (thirteen years ago) link

lol i found ilx through sfj's blog

jhøshea, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Dude, you said "lol what are you sherlock" when I said I didn't have to e-mail him to know he'd see the complaints here. I'm just explaining.

da croupier, aka the dude who has the nerve to accuse somebody who actually posts under his name of having disclosure issues

Hahaha your name is "John D"?

x-post I'm sorry you're disappointed with the brevity of my disses, John. Still feel free to explain what aside from that and their perceived rancor is ill-minded about them.

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link

this thread deserves better than you, da croupier.

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:34 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm sorry i'm interrupting your contributions to it, Mr. Que.

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link

four-year-old thread on same subject, featuring actual thought and exchange of ideas, here:

Class, etc Pt. 2: Indie vs. Pop Culture

bonus fact: thread was started by sfj

J0hn D., Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link

so what do you like about the article, john?

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link

let us exchange thoughts and ideas about it, rather than this unbecoming sniping

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link

(The heavy bass frequencies cause car seats to vibrate, literally massaging the passengers.)

Curt1s Stephens, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Not attempting to derail the discussion, but: how about some counter-examples in response to SFJ's argument? What are some indie acts that swing, etc.?

Just axing

Brad C., Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Ignoring his conflation of "rock'n'roll" with "indie rock," his "best-of" lists on his site provide the names of plenty of indie acts that swing as much as the Stones did, especially if we're allowed to include indie dance acts.

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link

you're not talking about the article yet.

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:43 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean, if we're talking about "indie" not "rock," then you have to acknowledge groups like LCD soundsystem, unless by the very act of having a dance beat you're disqualified from the genre, which would make his point fairly moot.

x-post I'm really baffled as to how you and John can keep chastising me for not saying anything when I'm throwing a lot more effort into it than either of you.

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:44 (thirteen years ago) link

i believe anthony's complaints are roughly mine, i.e. that even for a position i might agree with at times (that indie rock shouldn't be so scared of dr. funkenstein) this is a poorly constructed piece of rhetoric that falls apart before it gets anywhere near a finish line but that most egregiously ignores the fact that in many ways indie rock is more connected to "rhythm" than it has been in quite some time (coughcoughDFAsashayouchoadcoughcough). and that john and mr. que's weird pile-up mostly seems born out of unwilling to do the unpacking of the SEVERAL YEARS WORTH OF DISCUSSION WEVE ALREADY HAD ON THIS TOPIC including THE SAME SHIT SFJ TRIED FOISTING UPON US A FEW YEARS BACK CIRCA EMP TIME that anthony has managed to squeeze into his "one-line bitchouts" ala "basically limits to folkies and brian wilson fans" i.e. get the fuck out of here with that reductionist bullshit, to say nothing of the reductionist bullshit that automatically comes from "where has it gone, the fonky fonk of my youth," i.e. putting "black rhythms" up on a pedestal, or ignoring that the vast majority of 70s and 80s white folks music was about as funky as starland vocal band or goddamned wang chung, which also ignores that maybe wang chung and starland vocal band had something to contribute to popular music despite not sounding like either grand funk or the isley brothers.

strongohulkington, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link

i could kiss you all ovah

da croupier, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link

royal trux
spoon
ween

jhøshea, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link

wow, strongo on fire & otm!

da croupier is anthony miccio for those keeping score at home

gershy, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link

da croupier, it's not a question of liking or not liking it, I haven't really even thought that hard about it. I'm just sick to death of people reaching, at the earliest convenience, for dismissals as lame and phoned-in as "I'd criticize it if it were coherent!" and so on - it's the sort of thing you see on political blogs, lefties patting themselves on the back for their namecalling skills and righties spitting venom without any particular analysis of their targets, on the grounds that the targets "aren't worth" a thoughtful dismissal instead of ad-homs, nice zings, etc. It's worthless on political blogs and even more pointless when talking about music, though I would say that, since I care a good deal more about music than about politics.

Brad I'd suspect, just knowing sfj's tastes a little, and reading between the lines here (Clash reference, racially loaded words like "miscegenation"), that he's waxing a little nostalgic for stuff like Ludus or Cristina or Essential Logic even New Order: stuff that was in conversation with other genres, not always successfully but interestingly. Which is where his article doesn't go: making an "interesting" record, one that doesn't firmly place itself in one recognizable genre, is something of a risky business move; the more cross-genre an artist gets, the less likely he is to find an audience quickly, and a lot of people feel like if you don't find your audience fast, you're liable to miss the boat. I think he's lamenting how even when a band is said to be "taking risks," they seldom are, and that there was a time when more bands actually did take risks that might have alienated them from their audience but which made for exciting records.

My own position here is that I'm always very suspicious of any "it was better then" thinking. I hate eighties nostalgia with a fucking passion, even though there was a lot of music made in the eighties that I love intensely. But I also don't think it's necessarily a nostalgia trip to talk about stylistic shifts, and with respect to indie rock, it has failed/did fail to seek out the sort of musical cross-pollination that often makes music exciting. Purism's only good at extremes I think, and extreme indie rock is something of a contradiction in terms.

Just thinking aloud/onscreen here and doubt I could defend all this loose stuff but that's my first response.

J0hn D., Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link

haha I had no idea da croupier was anthony

J0hn D., Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link

the comparison with the white noise supremacists is cute but mostly seems like a lame attempt to draw unfounded connections with a rather virulent strain of direct racism on the cbgb's scene with OMG MUSICAL RACISM THE SILENT KILLER, as if win butler not being bootsy collins is somehow the same as someone writing songs about gooks or a member of teenage jesus hurling the n-bomb at an african-american kid, i.e. it seems to be suggesting that the arcade fire are somehow at some kind of <i>fault</i> for reflecting the music which interests them rather than some idealized polygot mutant sfj has in mind because his wig got flipped as a 13-yr-old to sandinista, which seems about as silly as castigating trae or ne-yo for not incorporating the majesty of born to run into their own little musical worlds. lol you ain't white enough.

strongohulkington, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link

i should note that i'm about five beers deep here

strongohulkington, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link

I have no beer and I must scream

J0hn D., Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link

okay okay i think he's right on the money as to why Wilco and Arcade Fire are so boring. Especially this part:

If there is a trace of soul, blues, reggae, or funk in Arcade Fire, it must be philosophical; it certainly isn’t audible. And what I really wanted to hear, after a stretch of raucous sing-alongs, was a bit of swing, some empty space, and palpable bass frequencies—in other words, attributes of African-American popular music.

But then again, I'm sure he digs Spoon and LCD, and both bands certainly do these things (empty space in their songs, swing) so I don't know. He doesn't talk about either of those bands in the article, so maybe he realizes this? Also, Arcade Fire are really easy to make fun of, so i dunno.

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link

hahaha

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 11 September 2008 21:59 (twelve years ago) link

oh hey, ilm is back

you don't make friends with salad (Jordan), Thursday, 11 September 2008 22:13 (twelve years ago) link

five months pass...

Nice comment from Jimmy Tarbuck there.

Bernard Braden Misreads Stephen Leacock (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 11:45 (eleven years ago) link

I think that's Peter Sissons

Queueing For Latchstrings (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 11:47 (eleven years ago) link

Oh hold on, he was at school with Jimmy Tarbuck too!

Queueing For Latchstrings (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 11:48 (eleven years ago) link

It may well be failed London Mayoral candidate Steven Norris.

Bernard Braden Misreads Stephen Leacock (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 11:49 (eleven years ago) link

most black music concerts almost always have a much larger spectrum of people from diff races than any rock show ive been to, even ones where the bands have black/non white members (bloc party, tvotr, cornershop etc etc).

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 11:50 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

from http://www.thedaily.com/about

For six years, Sasha Frere-Jones has been a staff writer and pop-music critic for The New Yorker, where he continues to write. He is expanding his 2007 essay "A Paler Shade of White" into a book for Farrar, Straus & Giroux. [...]

markers, Friday, 4 February 2011 02:27 (nine years ago) link

this is the first time i've heard that news

markers, Friday, 4 February 2011 02:28 (nine years ago) link

god i forgot about this clusterfuck

basedketball (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 February 2011 02:46 (nine years ago) link

Ha, this is the thread where Geir told me to shut the fuck up!

The Reverend, Friday, 4 February 2011 02:57 (nine years ago) link

Oh brilliance.

The Reverend, Friday, 4 February 2011 02:57 (nine years ago) link

Really, one of my proudest ILM moments.

The Reverend, Friday, 4 February 2011 02:58 (nine years ago) link

were u talking greasy about genesis?

basedketball (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 February 2011 03:15 (nine years ago) link

Iirc, Ethan had been quoting things from a white supremacist message board and then Geir posted something that looked like a quote from a white supremacist message board and then I asked Geir if it was a quote from a white supremacist message board and then he told me to shut the fuck up.

The Reverend, Friday, 4 February 2011 03:18 (nine years ago) link

Iirc, Ethan had been quoting things from a white supremacist message board

haha aw man...the good ol' daze :)

basedketball (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 February 2011 03:19 (nine years ago) link

you keep up with ethan? i hope that dude is good, miss him on the board still

basedketball (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 February 2011 03:20 (nine years ago) link

Not really, he occasionally pops up on fb, but that's it. Seems like he's doing alright tho.

The Reverend, Friday, 4 February 2011 03:24 (nine years ago) link

I am totally psyched for this to be a book, honestly no way it can disappoint

da croupier, Friday, 4 February 2011 03:24 (nine years ago) link

lol good attitude

hercudeez and nuts affair (some dude), Friday, 4 February 2011 03:27 (nine years ago) link

I am totally psyched for this to be a book, honestly no way it can disappoint

are your expectations really that low

Tim F, Friday, 4 February 2011 03:48 (nine years ago) link

http://www.sashafrerejones.com/2009/11/best_of_2010_1.html

curmudgeon, Friday, 4 February 2011 17:16 (nine years ago) link

ethan never responded to my fb request ;_;

bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Friday, 4 February 2011 17:20 (nine years ago) link

also smh, that article is less relevant than ever now

bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Friday, 4 February 2011 17:22 (nine years ago) link

Arcade Fire made his best-of list for 2010, so how will that fit into his premise (whatever it is at this point).

curmudgeon, Friday, 4 February 2011 17:24 (nine years ago) link

2007:There’s no point in faulting Arcade Fire for what it doesn’t do; what’s missing from the band’s musical DNA is missing from dozens of other popular and accomplished rock bands’ as well—most of them less entertaining than Arcade Fire

curmudgeon, Friday, 4 February 2011 17:26 (nine years ago) link

]I asked Geir if it was a quote from a white supremacist message board and then he told me to shut the fuck up.
Wow, I didn't catch that the first time around. Can't believe Geir actually told someone to STFU. He's always so unnervingly polite.

Jazzbo, Friday, 4 February 2011 17:36 (nine years ago) link

nah the "you're a nazi/racist" accusations REALLY set him off.

bien-pensant vibe (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 February 2011 17:40 (nine years ago) link

the curious case of the racist who didn't want to be thought of as racist

bien-pensant vibe (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 February 2011 17:41 (nine years ago) link

ILM has always been preoccupied with this topic. It is what ILM was based on, the entire "black" music is superior to "white" music is the entire foundament of what ILM was originally meant to be.

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:36 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark

board description?

symsymsym, Friday, 4 February 2011 18:39 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

So I just noticed on the New Yorker's contributors page this week that SF-J's book about "identity and popular music" is now being referred to as a memoir? (Has that always been the case?)

Sax Blatterday (jaymc), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 18:55 (seven years ago) link

It's actually a viral marketing campaign for Ui albums, I hear

mh, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 19:04 (seven years ago) link

Ha, this is the thread where Geir told me to shut the fuck up!

― The Reverend, Thursday, February 3, 2011 6:57 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Really, one of my proudest ILM moments.

― The Reverend, Thursday, February 3, 2011 6:58 PM Bookmark

The Reverend, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 19:07 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

So I just noticed on the New Yorker's contributors page this week that SF-J's book about "identity and popular music" is now being referred to as a memoir? (Has that always been the case?)

― Sax Blatterday (jaymc), Tuesday, December 18, 2012 12:55 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And now his Chicago Humanities Festival bio says that he's "currently working on a two-volume memoir about New York and the arts." So this probably has nothing to do with "A Paler Shade of White" anymore, right?

jaymc, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 02:21 (five years ago) link

The only thing more pallid and flaccid than a U/I fan is a U/I member. This guy is the worst.

He was born Alexander Roger Wallace Jones on January 31, 1967, in Manhattan, the elder child of Elizabeth Frere and Robin C. Jones. His younger brother, Tobias Frere-Jones, is co-founder of the typeface design company Hoefler & Frere-Jones, and is on the faculty of the Yale School of Art. Tobias and Alexander both legally changed their surnames from Jones to Frere-Jones in 1981.

He is a grandson of Alexander Stuart Frere, the former chairman of the board of William Heinemann Ltd, the British publishing house, and a great-grandson of the novelist Edgar Wallace, who wrote many popular pulp novels, though he is best known for writing the story for the film King Kong. (Merian C. Cooper wrote the screenplay.)

In 1983, Frere-Jones played Capulet in a St. Ann's production of "Romeo and Juliet" directed by Nancy Fales Garrett. Mia Sara played Juliet. In 1984, Frere-Jones's "We Three Kings" was one of ten plays chosen for the Young Playwrights Festival. The original reading starred John Pankow and Željko Ivanek. The final production at the Public Theater starred Adam Klugman, Jack Klugman's son. His follow-up play, "Jump Down Turn Around," was performed at St. Ann's and starred Frere-Jones and actor Josh Hamilton.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 02:43 (five years ago) link

Oh yeah young capulet of Manhattan scionage, tell me what's funkay!

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 02:44 (five years ago) link

ok so why does he go by sasha exactly?

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 02:47 (five years ago) link

^This picture is notable as it is the first time in his life SFJ ever visited a receiving dock, although it was on a Sunday, after a scrumptious brunch in the LES! #workingclass

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 02:52 (five years ago) link

"A Perfect Day for I Zimbra"

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 02:58 (five years ago) link

In 1983, Frere-Jones played Capulet in a St. Ann's production of "Romeo and Juliet" directed by Nancy Fales Garrett. Mia Sara played Juliet. In 1984, Frere-Jones's "We Three Kings" was one of ten plays chosen for the Young Playwrights Festival. The original reading starred John Pankow and Željko Ivanek. The final production at the Public Theater starred Adam Klugman, Jack Klugman's son. His follow-up play, "Jump Down Turn Around," was performed at St. Ann's and starred Frere-Jones and actor Josh Hamilton.

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, October 27, 2014 10:43 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

Figures that this guy went to St Ann's

, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 03:00 (five years ago) link

He could pretty much write his own ticket and the life he chose is explaining his friends' music to his parents' friends.

Can't really hate him though.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 03:04 (five years ago) link

and this was the guy who traced Timbaland + Magoo's origins to "The Ballad of Dorothy Parker."

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 03:06 (five years ago) link

so he kissed mia sara possibly several times

right on

j., Tuesday, 28 October 2014 03:25 (five years ago) link

ok so why does he go by sasha exactly?

Sasha is the diminutive of Alexander and Alexandra.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 08:08 (five years ago) link

Yeah I had an Alex/Sasha friend growing up. Parents were actually Russian though, not sure about this one.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 11:21 (five years ago) link

i've been an Alexander my whole life and i didn't know that. using the first 1 or 2 syllables of the name seemed like the natural diminutive.

some dude, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 11:36 (five years ago) link


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