Talking Heads- Classic or Dud?

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, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I only really like that song that goes "same as it ever was". One sunnyday does not make a summer, so nearer to dud than classic.

james edmund L, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

They turned into crap from LITTLE CREATURES onwards, but REMAIN IN LIGHT, FEAR OF MUSIC, SPEAKING IN TONGUES, TALKING HEADS `77, MORE SONGS ABOUT BUILDINGS & FOOD are pretty untouchable, if you ask me. "Life During Wartime" alone settles the score for me. Classic.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Classic for every aspect of Stop Making Sense. '77 doesn't hold up on its own, but stands out as the exemplar and partial inspiration for a particular aspect of the CBGBs sound. Also classic for actually liking disco despite lyrics to "Life During Wartime" being misread constantly. Also for "True Stories" being inspired by Fellini's Americord.

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

"This ain't no disco" I always read to mean "this is not a discotheque, and there's a war going on, we don't have time to dance" rather than "our music is not disco!"

Joolz Fargo, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Remain in Light - an alltime classic, one of the finest albums ever made. So many influences, a brilliant production, and those guitar sounds - epic and sublime - the way the sounds stretch out.

I am going to give it play tomorrow, as I have not listened to it in a while.

(America had to wait 8 years until Jane's Addiction - Nothing Shocking album - that could match the tripped out brilliance of Remain in Light)

DJ Martian, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

The forthcoming (maybe actually out) issue of Papercuts fanzine has a long article by me on Talking Heads' Fear Of Music and Remain In Light and on Byrne/Eno's My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts.

For that stuff: classic.

Tom, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Which some of us have already read :).

Don't know any of the music mentioned in it, but it's worth buying Papercuts for that alone.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Actually, my favorite band. Ever. With Remain In Light being my favorite album. THAT is a record for people who like sounds.

Call me 'a fan', but I like Naked.

Keiko, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I'll allow for about five or so songs these days.

Beyond that, dear heavens. No thanks. Though this could in part be due to the fact that David Byrne has turned into such an aggressive nonentity.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Don't know enough to say for sure, but like the songs I know (and love love love "Born Under Punches.") Definitely want to check out that Papercuts article, though. Tom, have to admit I'm a bit surprised that you're so into My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts. To me that's a so-so record that's of enormous interest for historical purposes, in terms of the sounds it uses and and when it came out. And I didn't expect that to be something you're much interested in. Do you really dig that record?

Mark, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Tom, my question looks a bit like an interrogation, but I didn't mean it to. Sorry. Just very curious about what you think of the Bush/Eno record.

Mark, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Re My Life....

I think the context that's grown up around it does that record harm - it's now seen as this proto-dance sampling-based historical thing but I wasnt into dance or sampling much when I heard it - I just came to it as basically the further-out follow-up to Remain In Light: Kid A to RIL's OKC, as it were. And on that level I loved it and still do - I think the first side is all classic, the second drags a bit.

I think the sampled voices work well and put their point across well - the whole first side, esp. in the context of FOM and RIL, is a great artrock portrait of social/religious/political paranoia and craziness. Then when it goes so-to-speak 'to Africa' and becomes more tranquil it sounds more like an Eno record and I switch off a little.

I'll forward you the article as I don't know how easy it's going to be to get Papercuts in the US. But I'll ask the editor first. Papercuts will also feature LOADS OF OTHER GOOD STUFF though so everyone in England should own a copy.

Tom, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Why only everyone in England? No, there is no good reason for buying that tawdry rag. Especially since it features poor writings by shady Scottish types...

Ally C, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Stop Making Sense. Classic. Finest concert film, etc...

JM, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Tom, do you still have that Papercuts article? and can you mail it to me?

Additional question so I can justify posting the last bit instead of emailing it to Tom like I should've done: Who are the nineties/noughties TH? Bands like the d-plan bear a sonic resemblance, esp in light of stuff like "superpowers" w its polyrhythms and non-linear structure and buzzing guitar textures and all that trademark TH stuff, but surely radiohead come closest ideologically? cf. lyrics as cut-up mundanities that serve as sharp, uncomfortable reminders of the paranoia/disconnection/submerged mysticism of modern life (as talked about on some other thread) etc

Mitch Lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Saturday, 12 October 2002 17:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

This thread was terribly short!!

Radiohead & the Plan are obvious contenders, I guess. A lot of the ideas Radiohead have in common with TH seem kinda, well, RIPPED-OFF, to me. When you compare the sleeves of OKC and Stop Making Sense, the difference is deliberately strange, borderline nonsensical sloganeering over neatly framed pictures vs. over fracturedpostcomputerparanoidwhatever artwork. There's obviously a reason for the constant comparisons for the D-Plan. I think the similarities between TH and Les Savy Fav are, you know, kinda uncanny. (they formed at the same school! plus looking like a bizarro punk-rock gym teacher = 00's equiv. of dressing like a nerdy art school kid at CBGB's). I could see them making the necessary improvements upon their sound, too. They'd make a killer afro-beat record.

A.V. Alexandre (Keiko), Saturday, 12 October 2002 19:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(a.v. there are a number of other, more popular t heads threads lying around)

Mitch Lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Saturday, 12 October 2002 19:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I know! Really, both of the TH C/D threads are pretty short, tho. Maybe my favorite band is just boring to discuss when you don't compare them with Gang of fucking Four :(

A.V. Alexandre (formerly Keiko) (Keiko), Saturday, 12 October 2002 19:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

oh man i always forget that you wuz Keiko, sorry

Mitch Lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Saturday, 12 October 2002 20:05 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mitch I put it up on FT in the end.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 14 October 2002 09:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I think My Life... peter's out a bit in the end but Qu'ran, Help Me Somebody, Mea Culpa and Regiment are strong stuff-esp Qu'ran. As an aside I've just now heard a couple of tracks off the new (10 years in the making) Peter Gabriel album and it sound damm good.

Chris

Chris Krohn, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 03:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry, Tom, where exactly is the piece?

TMFTML (TMFTML), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 13:21 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

here ya go , major lift.

I was thinking today about how I've always heard "born under punches" as a 'vertical' song: starting at the top and moving downwards, a perfectly orchestrated funk-collapse, labyrinthine, rube goldberg music.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 18:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I think Stereolab were the '90s Talking Heads, and that Emperor Tomato Ketchup was their Remain in Light.

Talking Heads had some of my all-time favorite beginnings of songs: "This Must Be the Place," "Road to Nowhere," "Born Under Punches," "Once in a Lifetime"...

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 19:32 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Pulled Up" is the second greatest song ever!

"The Overload" is a horizontal song if there ever was one. It's like crawling.

A.V. Alexandre (Keiko), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 19:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...
I can't describe how much I love "Stop Making Sense" but just can't get into any of their studio material - can anyone recommend some tracks for me to start with?

wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 14:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

erm, START making sense, dude.

what track recommendations do you need if you *presumably already like some of their songs* and indeed *have heard them in both live and studio versions*?

lex to thread obv.

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 14:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i just realised that half the songs i like on SMS are also on Little Creatures which I don't have.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 14:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I zimbra, once in a lifetime, born under punches.....just to name a few.

nothing on stop making sense is from little creatures.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 15:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I made a Talking Heads mix with 8 songs that I call "Remain In Light". I would start there. Also try: Stay Hungry, Cities, Air, Heaven, Warning Signs, The Big Country, and I Zimbra.

cosmo vitelli (cosmo vitelli), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 16:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Not much else to add to the above - everything up to Speaking In Tongues is great, with Fear of Music and RIL being highlights. The expanded _The Name Of This Band..._ is the rare essential live album as well.

mike a (mike a), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 16:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Pisses me off that people say they were ever from Providence (well being from Providence), as they never really did anything but meet going to RISD.

I'll take the Feelies over the Talking Heads anyday. Better nerd rock.

Ben Dover (jonbenetsbody), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 16:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

half the songs i like on SMS are also on Little Creatures

I believe you are thinking of

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 17:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Seen and not seen" needs more lovin'.

Turangalila (Salvador), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 17:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I love it good.

cosmo vitelli (cosmo vitelli), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 17:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

oops!

...thinking of Speaking In Tongues

No songs from Little Creatures are on SMS.

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 18:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

and yeah, "Seen And Not Seen" is one of my favorite TH songs. More understated and spooky than the rest of the LP, with timeless lyrics.

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 18:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

also 'little creatures' bites the big one.

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 18:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Guys, yes Little Creatures blew for the most part ("Road To Nowhere" is a fucking fabulous song and you all know it), but Naked deserves a serious listen or two, even if you find the afrobeaty elements contrived, there are jams on there you should be able to get into.

a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 20 September 2006 18:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The expanded, remastered The Name Of This Band Is Talking Heads though really is their greatest listen. I can't believe how perfectly Adrian Belew's leads fit into their big band mix (disc 2).

a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 20 September 2006 18:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Remain is Light is the only album of theirs that I've ever really gotten into, although most of them are all right.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 18:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Hella classic, and anyone who says otherwise is a great big walking fool.

My favourite TH album is 'The Name of this Band is...." Holy jack-in-a-box, Adrian Belew ****ing rules, especially on "Born Under Punches", which I've only listened to about.... 38 times? I love that song.

GLC (ZakAce), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 19:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I like Little Creatures. And She Was and Stay Up Late are two of my favorite big pop hits of the era. Maybe it's nostalgia, I was young and those songs ruled classic rock radio of the time.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 19:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ah, I always forget "And She Was" was on there too. Primo karaoke fodder.

a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 20 September 2006 19:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yes, those live versions on TNOTBITH absolutely kill. Talking Heads Live in '80-'81>>>>>>>>>>>>most other live music.

cosmo vitelli (cosmo vitelli), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 19:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yep, i meant speaking in tongues, not little creatures. i am a silly billy.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 21 September 2006 09:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

whole other thing!

well, it would make sense you liking 'SMS' and 'SIT' above the other eno-era material. of the three eno albums i'd rate 'em: 'fear' best, then 'more songs', then 'remain'.

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Thursday, 21 September 2006 09:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

**The expanded, remastered The Name Of This Band Is Talking Heads though really is their greatest listen. I can't believe how perfectly Adrian Belew's leads fit into their big band mix (disc 2).**

Yes, really really good stuff. For me the jury's still out on Belew - I much prefer the twin Fenders of Byrne and Harrison on the earliest stuff. The playing on New Feeling and especially A Clean Break is terrific - crisp and sparkling. I'd love to know on which trax (studio and live) Byrne uses a Jaguar. NF and ACB sound like a Strat/Tele combination to me.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 21 September 2006 09:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

were there ever 12" remixes of the 'speaking in tongues' stuff?

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Thursday, 21 September 2006 09:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Does it say why he’s withholding them? (Like Lucille Bluth, does he “get off on being withholding”?)

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Monday, 4 June 2018 19:59 (two months ago) Permalink

I know that he would maybe know, but imo that seems unlikely. First, the band released their stuff at a pretty good clip, and it's not like those albums were bursting with material, even as contemporaries were eventually releasing double and triple albums. Even then, say it was an artistic decision to keep things short, there have been a couple of sets of reissues - Sand in the Vaseline and that Once in a Lifetime boxed set, plus that other boxed set - where unreleased songs might have popped up, but the bonus stuff was pretty scant or just sketches. Googling around, there seem to be maybe a couple of tracks they played live but never put on an album, but I'd be shocked if there were tons of unreleased things that were never played live, never put on a reissue, and escaped being bootlegged.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 June 2018 21:07 (two months ago) Permalink

I've always wondered if Byrne and Bowie had any sort of relationship. Longtime New Yorkers, smart, friends of Eno, arty and erudite ... you'd think they'd be fast friends.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 June 2018 21:11 (two months ago) Permalink

i asked zax about remain in light outtakes at some point and he said there really wasn't that much of releasable quality left over from those sessions (don't know about other albums). the bonus tracks that have come out are fantastic, but they're essentially jams, not completed songs.

tylerw, Monday, 4 June 2018 21:14 (two months ago) Permalink

JiC otm, I'd be very surprised if there were any fully realized unreleased tracks at all

I recently discovered that the version of "New Feeling" on the B-side of "Love Goes To A Building On Fire" is an earlier version with cool horns and other production touches! Not on YT or I would link it...

sleeve, Monday, 4 June 2018 21:41 (two months ago) Permalink

re: Byrne and Bowie.

Tina Weymouth made a dismissive remark in the David Bowman biography to the effect that people like them and Brian Eno live in
their own spheres and would be happiest if in near-total isolation with artists like each other for company

beamish13, Monday, 4 June 2018 21:50 (two months ago) Permalink

Didn't Byrne introduce Bowie at the latter's RnR Hall of Fame induction?

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 02:23 (two months ago) Permalink

Yes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GeFtpjuXk0

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 11:49 (two months ago) Permalink

Of course, Bowie wasn't there, was he? Madonna accepted!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D8RLzOHk1Y

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 11:51 (two months ago) Permalink

And Bowie was reckoned to be trying to sing like Byrne on D.J.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgPUxjQOk-w

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 11:52 (two months ago) Permalink

My gf went with a friend night before last. She's not a particularly big fan of TH/Byrne but she raved about the show. And they even had nosebleed seats.

On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 12:05 (two months ago) Permalink

It was something. Weirdly comforting.

This interview is a tad indulgent, but has some gems in it:

https://www.gq.com/story/david-byrne-talking-heads-icon-profile

Including a link to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adUtlz0GcCg

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 12:09 (two months ago) Permalink

A++++ cover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkVC2p4gz1Y

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 12:10 (two months ago) Permalink

Nosebleed seats were fine, because the whole stage was used and the sound was clear. Here was my view from Friday night (Auditorium Theater in Chicago):

http://i68.tinypic.com/2qisrcg.jpg

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 13:58 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah, she took some brief videos and it looked like the show was staged to be enjoyed from pretty much any distance. And is it just me, or has Byrne's voice remained magically unchanged for forty years?

On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:03 (two months ago) Permalink

did i already miss the nyc part of this tour? Y'all are waking me up here.

cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:38 (two months ago) Permalink

Seeing him in a month on a festival, guessing he won't be doing these exact shows in that setting. Still, psyched!

willem, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:43 (two months ago) Permalink

Been trying xyzal but th

did i already miss the nyc part of this tour? Y'all are waking me up here.

Think I saw a sign on the subway recently referring to September show.

omgneto and ittanium mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 15:16 (two months ago) Permalink

Ha, my unposted fragment of seasonal allergies post that went unfinished came along for the ride, sorry

omgneto and ittanium mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 15:17 (two months ago) Permalink

I wish they were playing 'Totally Nude' instead of 'Blind.' Setlist looks awesome otherwise. I don't know much of his solo oeuvre. Is the material from the new album strong?

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 15:22 (two months ago) Permalink

And is it just me, or has Byrne's voice remained magically unchanged for forty years?

― On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch), Tuesday, June 5, 2018 9:03 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah it's kind of amazing, his voice doesn't really sound different than the 80s...

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 15:26 (two months ago) Permalink

quite nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByTLLEdL8Og

piscesx, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 15:46 (two months ago) Permalink

New stuff was nothing special, was really all about the visuals imo.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 19:35 (two months ago) Permalink

How do you all rate the new record? I haven’t really given it a full listen. Feel like I’m a completist at this point

Slippage (Ross), Thursday, 7 June 2018 16:41 (two months ago) Permalink

It's nothing special.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 June 2018 16:51 (two months ago) Permalink

Alexa just played “No Compassion,” followed by a live acoustic version of “Heaven” – and I’m not gonna lie, the combo was poignant.

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Saturday, 9 June 2018 01:38 (two months ago) Permalink

First song on the new album is off-putting. After that it gets better.

Cow_Art, Saturday, 9 June 2018 01:45 (two months ago) Permalink

Angelique Kidjo has just covered all of Remain in Light:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR8jgFGmqvU&feature=youtu.be

... (Eazy), Friday, 15 June 2018 13:58 (two months ago) Permalink

Hmm. Anyway, pretty great.

... (Eazy), Friday, 15 June 2018 13:59 (two months ago) Permalink

was pretty blown away by benjamin clementine as the opener at the show i saw. had never heard of him before.

dyl, Saturday, 16 June 2018 01:41 (two months ago) Permalink

byrne was excellent too ofc :)

dyl, Saturday, 16 June 2018 01:41 (two months ago) Permalink

Man the reviews are excellent for this. Just got it and excited to listen to today

sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Saturday, 16 June 2018 16:52 (two months ago) Permalink

this version shits on the original from a high place

sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:02 (two months ago) Permalink

That's... a very vivid image

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:03 (two months ago) Permalink

xp FP'd you for that, don't take it personally

sleeve, Monday, 18 June 2018 21:06 (two months ago) Permalink

i'm kidding of course, but it's amazing

sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:06 (two months ago) Permalink

sorry i was in passion's control, bad place, no harm sleeve

sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:07 (two months ago) Permalink

Back in style *yawns*

calstars, Monday, 18 June 2018 21:16 (two months ago) Permalink

What’s back in style?

sunburst N snowblind (Ross), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:19 (two months ago) Permalink

Angelique Kidjo has just covered all of Remain in Light

This is a fantastic record.

Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 18 June 2018 21:43 (two months ago) Permalink

if we're talking covers of burning down the house i love yasuyuki oyamura's version (not on youtube unfortunately)

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Monday, 18 June 2018 23:45 (two months ago) Permalink

kidjo's essay is completely and totally otm

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Monday, 18 June 2018 23:49 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRxxt53yFBs

... (Eazy), Sunday, 22 July 2018 21:59 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The Kidjo is a perfect, seamless cover start to finish. She completely owns it.

stillHera, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 02:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I hate to say it but much as I respect the Kidjo album, it also unintentionally gives off some old-fashioned eighties 'WORLD MUSIC' vibes that I'm not sure I'm 100% on board with

Gâteau Superstar (dog latin), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 07:50 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I think we can all agree the cover art is horrible
https://i.imgur.com/US00TQo.png

niels, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 08:02 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I don't mind that cover so much!

I mean, I don't get it at all, but it sure looks cool.

pplains, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 13:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

some old-fashioned eighties 'WORLD MUSIC' vibes that I'm not sure I'm 100% on board with

Between Kidjo and 80s WORLD MUSIC, where would you rank David Byrne?

Half-fatuous, half-serious question.

pplains, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 13:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink


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