Indeed. I don't understand how you can love We Want War and not get the rest. It's all of a piece.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
It's mostly not that different from the big single so you're probably going on some weird Hongroesque ideological stance about song length or number of sections, right?
― Matt DC, Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
It's totally song length snobbishness, considering that the most immediately involving song on the album to my ears is "Three Thousand".
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
hmm
maybe listening to the individual songs on Youtube isn't the best way to approach this record
although stuff like 'attack music' and 'hologram' and 'fire-power' doesn't grab me
we want war just has a way cooler build and narrative flow, plus the choral and woodwind chord-progressions in the second half are staggering
― gospermaban sim gishel (acoleuthic), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
try maybe listening to the album before announcing that the entire thing is terrible...?
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
it totally ISN'T song-length snobbishness, although there's a possibility that what they're trying to do is best served by a lengthier canvas - all about subtle shifts and increments
Dan the thing is that I have listened to all the songs! Just not in order
― gospermaban sim gishel (acoleuthic), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
If there's one thing this album ISN'T about it's subtlety.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
well, there's something that seems sophisticated and fully worked-out about WWW, especially in the chord-sequences and sonic layering, that lacks in the other songs - maybe I'll come round to them
― gospermaban sim gishel (acoleuthic), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
I decided to check out earlier stuff by them and was repelled by the first 10 seconds of "Elvis", after which it suddenly became incredibly compelling
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, at least The Horrors had the decency to follow up their staggering epic 'wait this isn't that scrawny buncha garagey tryhards' preview single with an album that kinda lived up to it
haha ok I'll stop now
― gospermaban sim gishel (acoleuthic), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
no you won't
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
don't get you can you like "we want war" and not "drum courts"
― kamerad, Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
ok yeah who's 2011's breakout indie-gone-classy band gonna be, dibs on Two Door Cinema Club
― gospermaban sim gishel (acoleuthic), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
there's a distinct sense of nerdiness to this band...or maybe it's that it's ambitious in a really transparent way, like they're just forcing together all these elements and it doesn't quite work for me.
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
not a big fan of the album as a whole either, it's kind of monotonous and cold and humorless. sounds like liars without the elements of fun and chaos. i do like "we want war."
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm a sucker for the great reich-ian art/prog rock jams on this album, like "5," which even has what sounds like an oboe or two
― kamerad, Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
monotonous and cold and humorless
A massive selling point! (Well, for me.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
This is a really creative album and I'm happy it's getting some love in the UK
― PEAVEY Ó))) (Ówen P.), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Ned, have you investigated this yet?
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
well, "5" is really good as well. but the rest can hang.
― RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:36 (4 months ago)
― gospermaban sim gishel (acoleuthic), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Its undoubted creativity is what's making me sad that it's not clicking for me. I'd like to explore its nuances, but that would involve actually listening to it.
― A brownish area with points (chap), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
NickB: Not the full album but the singles = A+. Planning on snagging it later this month but right now the backlog of stuff to work through sits next to my desk and mocks me...
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh okay. Wasn't sure how much you were aware that this was a Graham Sutton production.
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Believe me, that is a further selling point.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
If this album wasn't so relentlessly monochromatic, I would not be nearly as into it.
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Thursday, 2 December 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Fire-Power was the standout to me ofl.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 2 December 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
So much Brit press love now. This American wasn't as hip as the ones above on this thread to know about these guys till now.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 3 December 2010 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Just missed out on a Pitchfork BNM, didn't turn up in the Mercurys at all. Rough treatment imo.
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Friday, 3 December 2010 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link
how can you "just miss out" on a BNM?
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Friday, 3 December 2010 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
High score, but just below the threshold for BNM?
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 3 December 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Isn't it ratings based? Like, 8.5 and up = BNM?
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Friday, 3 December 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
It got like an 8.4 in the same week as the Liars got an 8.6 iirc (just remember ilxor mentioning this at the time). Might be why it went under the radar for so long.
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Friday, 3 December 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
seriously though, this is the type of music I hear in my head
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Friday, 3 December 2010 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
ilxors moaning about pitchfork scores?
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Friday, 3 December 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
not ratings based
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Friday, 3 December 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
i think we have been over this in multiple excruciating pfork threads
I don't read those (why because I am not crazy/masochistic)
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Friday, 3 December 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
"Fire-Power" is badass, huh
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Friday, 3 December 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
if i recall, they've given BNM to albums as low as 8.2 (maybe 8.1 even) that fit the core "indie rock" readership/demographic, while a bunch of stuff has gotten 8.3-8.5 range and not BNM -- usually it's metal, hip-hop, something noisy/experimental, etc.
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Friday, 3 December 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
not bitching about that btw, i think it makes sense given pfork's target readership
This whole album is fucking awesome.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 18 December 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i listened to this obsessively in Q1, need to pull it out again
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Sunday, 19 December 2010 04:07 (thirteen years ago) link
QFT
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Sunday, 19 December 2010 05:50 (thirteen years ago) link
http://sickmouthy.wordpress.com/2010/12/19/hidden-until-now/
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 19 December 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
ok I'm seriously gonna have to give this a proper listen
― smexy fishy hawt joey martin (acoleuthic), Sunday, 19 December 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Finally listening to the full thing myself. Such a perfect cold, pristine melodrama; the sequencing is essential.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 December 2010 03:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Ned Raggett: NME apologist
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 20 December 2010 04:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Motherf***ers act like they forgot about V.A.S.T.
― Tim F, Monday, 20 December 2010 04:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Damn, haven't thought of them in years...
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 December 2010 04:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Who/what is VAST?
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 20 December 2010 04:57 (thirteen years ago) link