Frankie Goes To Hollywood

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Gimmick or triffic?

michael bourke, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

New Come! Phwoooosh! answers!

michael bourke, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Godlike. Trevor Horn, that is.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Funny I was just thinking of starting a Trevor Horn thread. I bought a second hand copy of The Lexicon of Love the other day and I found myself wondering what the record would have sounded like in the hands of another, maybe less appropriate producer. So, I mused on the role of the producer and specifically Horn's career. Ever heard any pre- Horn Frankie? It's, shall we say, unremarkable.

Daniel, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the best way to put it is "dreadful band responsible for some excellent records." And I own a LOT of them. Trevor Horn, yes, and not forgetting Steve Lipson.

Douglas, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link


jess, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I see Welcome To the Pleasuredome for $1 all the time...worth getting? I LOVE "Relax" and "Two Tribes," of course, but hear them enough on the radio. Are some other songs on that level?

Mark, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, definitely worth getting, especially at that price. The insane cover version of "Born to Run," "Welcome to the Pleasuredome" itself, all those weird interludes, "The Power of Love"...yeah, grab it.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, great band. FGTH vs Art of Noise, anyone?

Tom, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, come on. AoN clearly wins that battle, Tom!

Dan Perry, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

It's close, I don't know who wins. Both have a couple of really stellar, amazing singles with lots of just-as-good-if-not-better remixes, a debut album which basically equals the singles plus filler but is still great nonetheless, then a rapid tail-off. AON's tail-off is much better than FGTH's but FGTH's big hits are like AON with more beats, more hooks, more bombast. Also the same people did a lot of the work on both bands so really it comes down to Holly Johnson vs Anne Dudley and again it's too close to call for me. Wasn't ZTT ace?

Tom, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

No battle. Frankie were gods.

Omar, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Pre-Horn (or rather non-Horn) Frankie: yes I've heard the radio sessions. They've got something about them - not a total failure. A bizarre-ness is present in the song structures and lyrics, which to some extent Horn ironed out on the records (there are a few remnants left in "Two Tribes" and the songs on Side 4 of Pleasuredome). Of course, what he replaced this with more than made up...

Jeff W, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Tom makes a good deduction but it isn't too close to call for me. I go with the Art of Noise, despite the fact that FGTH's videos were better.

Andy K, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Let's make this official

Brian MacDonald, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
20 years ago this week: Relax Banned by Radio 1

Twenty years ago this week, the BBC banned the song Relax, by Frankie Goes to Hollywood, thereby catapulting it to legendary status, and the number one slot. The censors are more savvy today, but are we more tolerant?

...20 years ! ago

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 18:23 (fifteen years ago) link

An inevitable thread-revival, perhaps - I was thinking about this yesterday. Actually the morning Mike Read took the record off-air (Wednesday 11th January 1984) it had just climbed from #35 to #6, and FGTH had performed it on the previous week's Top of the Pops (Thursday 5th January) as a new entry at #35. The BBC as a whole didn't ban it until two days later - in those days they felt the need to fall in line behind a big name presenter, whereas now they'd probably allow such a person to have a view independently of the BBC as a whole. Though nobody in such a position at Radio 1 now would object to a record for such reasons, so it's all a bit theoretical.

Above all else, the whole thing shows how different things were when the BBC was run by people from the pre-pop generation, and therefore had different priorities - values of the pre-pop world were imposed upon pop music, even on its "own" radio station, to an extent unthinkable now (Mike Read set John Betjeman poems to music for fuck's sake, and I *like* Betjeman and all that, but the very fact that such a person could present the Radio 1 breakfast show sums up the reasons why pirate radio supporters would have preferred the offshore stations to continue "underground" or at least be replaced by licensed commercial radio rather than by pop radio within the BBC, and why so many of them unexpectedly voted Tory in 1970 largely because Heath was making noises about licensing commercial radio and possibly abolishing Radio 1).

It's no coincidence that the big changes at Radio 1 happened at a time - roughly 10 years ago - when the post-war pop generation were, for the first time, taking up senior positions in BBC management, and the old guard were retiring (although Radio 1 had done a U-turn on censorship under the old Johnny Beerling regime a couple of years before the clearout of 1993-95, cf Salt'n'Pepa's "Let's Talk About Sex" becoming a Roadshow hit - this was probably inspired by the arrival of MTV Europe and many more FM commercial stations around 1990).

robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Do You Know The Way To San Jose? vs. Born to Run

The Hood Won't Jump (Eazy), Tuesday, 22 December 2009 22:56 (nine years ago) link

Haven't heard the former but their Born to Run cover is one of the greatest things ever.

★彡☆ ★彡 (ENBB), Wednesday, 23 December 2009 03:01 (nine years ago) link

What she just said.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 03:06 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, when I first heard the Bruce Springsteen version, I was kinda disappointed how bland it sounded compared to the FGtH version.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 08:20 (nine years ago) link

"The Power of Love" is one of those songs that's not actually a Christmas song but is always associated with this time of year. It was a hit in early December, the vid was Christmassy and the sentiments are lovely.

anagram, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 09:43 (nine years ago) link

seven months pass...

always curious about that game - got near perfect score in zzap! 64 back in the day, iirc

tea wrecks electric warrior (haitch), Sunday, 1 August 2010 05:52 (nine years ago) link

Totally freaking impenetrable to a 10 yr old ZX Spectrum owner, beautiful artwork and packaging tho'

disastrous sixth series (MaresNest), Sunday, 1 August 2010 10:01 (nine years ago) link

eight years pass...

Soooo I'm just now getting around to hearing Welcome to the Pleasuredome (...the album...) for the first time.

Holy shit, where has this been all my life?!

ilxor, Saturday, 6 July 2019 19:16 (four months ago) link

you tell us.
its not like ILM'rs have not given you pointers re the brilliance of this album.

mark e, Saturday, 6 July 2019 19:28 (four months ago) link

sorry - that was not meant to come over as confrontational ..
its an absolutely brilliant album.

mark e, Saturday, 6 July 2019 19:32 (four months ago) link

I love it although admittedly you can hear Trevor Horn start to lose some interest in the second half of the album

. (Michael B), Saturday, 6 July 2019 19:35 (four months ago) link

All good, I knew it was huge back in the day, I've heard it recommended before, it's just one of those records I never got around to playing until now. Purchased it on CD back in 2012-13 and forgot about it until I was unpacking some boxes today and threw it on.

ilxor, Saturday, 6 July 2019 20:04 (four months ago) link

I am an unabashed fan of the unpopular end of this record, even Krisco Kisses.

MaresNest, Saturday, 6 July 2019 20:28 (four months ago) link

oooh .. that's pushing it.
btw : you absolutely need the FRUITNESS version of "Welcome …"
easily the best version.

mark e, Saturday, 6 July 2019 20:58 (four months ago) link

Cosign on “Fruitness” being the ideal mix, the opening back-to-the-garden monologue especially

You can’t see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Sunday, 7 July 2019 00:14 (four months ago) link

I couldn’t believe what Krisco Kisses was about when I found out.

piscesx, Sunday, 7 July 2019 00:35 (four months ago) link

Weird time of year to hear this, but then it’s one of those Christmas tunes which doesn’t mention Christmas. This is the best mix IMO

piscesx, Sunday, 7 July 2019 00:41 (four months ago) link

I remember reciting Paul Morley's perverted liner notes ("lick the shit off my shoe!" or words to that effect) on the back of the Relax 12" to my family as we were settling down for dinner at the Golden Grill in Limerick. I was 7 at the time.

. (Michael B), Sunday, 7 July 2019 02:17 (four months ago) link

Fgth had so many amazing remixes. There must have been 4 or 5 "two tribes" ones. I'd never heard that "power of love" one before. Fantastic.

. (Michael B), Sunday, 7 July 2019 02:21 (four months ago) link

nate woolls, Sunday, 7 July 2019 02:34 (four months ago) link

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