Bands you keep trying to like but can't get into

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I guess I'm a glutton for punishment, that or I recognize that my tastes change over time. But some bands I revisit every 3-5 years and just can't get into. The biggest example is The Clash, the only top tier UK punk band that just doesn't do it for me. Oh, some of the early singles are good but I keep trying to no avail. This year I listened to the live album and it just doesn't move me.

Anyone else relate?

Mr. Odd, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:14 (twelve years ago) link

A.C. Temple, but I don't expect that to spark much discussion.

dlp9001, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

...and I'm pretty sure there has to be another thread or so on this, since I usually bring up Live Skull, who I'm still not into.

dlp9001, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:17 (twelve years ago) link

Tom Waits. I've given up.

Ms Misery, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:17 (twelve years ago) link

mmm...arcade fire....

Zeno, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

Have you heard Positraction, dlp9001? (Maybe I've asked you that before...)

2x-post

Tim Ellison, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

Tom Waits. I've given up.

Oh my god, I thought I was the only one...

Davey D, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:19 (twelve years ago) link

Positraction is great indeed.
i love live skull,but i have a friend who desnt get them either,he says the sound is too "goth" for him.
what an idiot.

Zeno, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:20 (twelve years ago) link

"Tom Waits. I've given up.

Oh my god, I thought I was the only one..."

thirded, though i didn't try too much

Zeno, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:20 (twelve years ago) link

Waits 4th'd

I tried a little, but goddam, if you have to try that hard...

(I don't mind him on film)

will, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:30 (twelve years ago) link

The White Stripes. I try and try, and even enjoy it here and there, but part of me really dislikes their sound. Also the Pet Shop Boys. Not big on Waits either. Although he mixes in nicely on Dr.Yo.

django, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:32 (twelve years ago) link

I have Positraction on my iPod, and definitely keep plugging away at it. I think it may be production that's keeping me from liking Live Skull...it's very frustrating as I keep expecting them to click some day and they never seem to. Oh well, I rarely give up on bands that seem intriguing. Right now my NY post-No-Wave guitar bands ranking is something like Dustdevils>Band of Susans>Rat at Rat R>Swans>Sonic Youth and I'm probably forgetting someone. Magic Dirt figure in somewhere, but they're not from NY.

xpost.

dlp9001, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

the two that I regret not liking are Husker Du and Public Enemy. they sound so awesome, but i just can't..

poortheatre, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

oh and Everything But The Girl. or as I call them, Slow And Horrible Death By Brunch.

django, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

I tried Tortoise four times, but nothing, well except maybe for Dj'ed.

mehlt, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

Boredoms. They're okay, but I always feel like that time could be better spent listening to something else similar yet better.

dean ge, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

The Fall. A lot of Bowie. All of New Order. Teh Beatles.

bnw, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:43 (twelve years ago) link

XTC and Dinosaur Jr, chiefly.

Z S, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:44 (twelve years ago) link

also modest mouse,and yeah huskar du..

Zeno, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:52 (twelve years ago) link

xpost - Dinosaur seconded. I like a few things here and there that they've done, and I've had You're living all over me since high school. I tried listening to it the other day, and besides the first track (which I really like) and Lou's song (I like the mopey early Sebadoh/Sentridoh Freed Weed, etc. stuff), I've never really been able to get into it. I don't think they're overrated, though, it's just one of those things that I can't really get into.

Mark Clemente, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:53 (twelve years ago) link

xxxpost the Fall definitely. Though I've admittedly only tried with one album, This Nation's Saving Grace, but it has never worked for me. But perhaps I should give the other stuff a listen.

Mark Clemente, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:55 (twelve years ago) link

"But perhaps I should give the other stuff a listen"

no perhaps - have to!

Zeno, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:57 (twelve years ago) link

For a while it was the Boredoms, but now I just like them! Sonic Youth have taken their place.

I wonder why we pick specific bands to try to like. I know the bands I try to like are usually canonical ones, but there are certain canonical bands that I dislike and have not bothered giving a second chance to.

Vinnie, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:59 (twelve years ago) link

btw,if the search function worked ok - there are several threads on the subject

Zeno, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:59 (twelve years ago) link

"I wonder why we pick specific bands to try to like"

there are some people with similiar music taste like mine, but they also like this one band that i don't get.
usually i try to like this band, cause it doesnt seem logic that i don't like them.
but who says life and taste in music make sense anyway..

Zeno, Monday, 9 July 2007 20:02 (twelve years ago) link

zeno -- I know I could just look at a Fall thread, but what's an album I should check out if I didn't totally like TNSG? They have an awful lot of stuff...

Mark Clemente, Monday, 9 July 2007 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

you can't go wrong with slates, man

pretzel walrus, Monday, 9 July 2007 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

try a compilation of "the early years" and "the woonderfull and frightning world" which is like TNSG but with a better,cleaner,more accesible production.
if you don't like those 2, give up.
(and if you do - the next step is hex enduction hour, which is a more "difficult" classic)

Zeno, Monday, 9 July 2007 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

that's pretty good advice!

Tim Ellison, Monday, 9 July 2007 20:12 (twelve years ago) link

my stock answer to this question is, and probably always will be:

Manic Street Preachers

henry s, Monday, 9 July 2007 20:21 (twelve years ago) link

I did try to search for a similar thread but without a unique keyword, nothing...

Tom Waits - I'm in that boat, too. This year, though, I made some progress with the 3 disc box he recently put out. The Orphans tracks, in particular, are really good. But not enough to make me own him.

The Fall took me years to go from hate to total and complete love, and I also started by getting into the poppier Beggars Banquet years, working backwards and then forwards again.

Sonic Youth also fall into this category for me, though I like alot of their work but I just don't love them and find their records inconsistent.

Mr. Odd, Monday, 9 July 2007 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

I don't like It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back at all, but the other Public Enemy stuff I've heard leads me to believe that I might still be able to get into one of their other albums.

"Sister Ray" and The Velvet Underground & Nico are so boring that I have no desire to listen to VU ever again. I remember one time when the stretch from "I'm Waiting For My Man" to "Heroin" sorta clicked with me and I 'got it', but the next time I listened to it it was gone again.

bernard snowy, Monday, 9 July 2007 21:21 (twelve years ago) link

Three letters: G.B.V.

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 00:08 (twelve years ago) link

Joy Division & Pere Ubu. I understand their importance, but neither are any fun.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 00:11 (twelve years ago) link

hey wait a damn minute. pere ubu are, at their best, a surreal experience.
secondly, the sounds that Allen Ravenstine produces are flat out kooky.
i wouldn't expect Dadaesque art to be "fun", but it can be entertaining as hell if you're in the right mood.

one of the most spine tingling solos i've ever heard is on the song "final solution" - not "feel good" stuff, but, like it or lump it, as powerful as anything ever recorded, imo

outdoor_miner, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 00:54 (twelve years ago) link

try a compilation of "the early years" and "the woonderfull and frightning world" which is like TNSG but with a better,cleaner,more accesible production.

On CD, Wonderful & Frightening World has always sounded really murky to my ears (though it is perhaps my favorite Fall album). If you're not averse to a career-spanning comp, I think 50,000 Fall Fans actually does pretty well.

I can't quite get into Van der Graaf Generator and am not sure why. It might be something about Peter Hammill's voice, sort of over the top or harsh. I like early Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, some Gentle Giant; being into the proggy stuff as well as later punk/post-punk, by which standards it seems like VDGG was more admirable than other prog, it seems like I should like them, but not much luck so far. He to the He I somewhat enjoy.

eatandoph, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 01:02 (twelve years ago) link

Three letters: G.B.V.

At their best, GBV create fantastic 3 minute pop songs that stick in your head. Unfortunately, most of their albums are chock-a-block full of song snippets and other failed experiments, making it hard to get to the nuggets. A friend of mine, a huge GBV fan, skimmed the top for me and culled out all their best stuff, and it's a joy to listen to. He recently lent me _Bee Thousand_ and I found listening to it a chore just to get to the good bits. So I can understand your feeling - find a friend who's a GBV fanatic and have 'em make you some compilations!

Mr. Odd, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 01:37 (twelve years ago) link

Spoon... such a goddamn impenetrable band.

Jordan Sargent, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 01:39 (twelve years ago) link

Wilco - 'Summerteeth' to be specific.

On paper it should be so easy. But stick it on my stereo and my hand immediately reaches for the skip button.

sam500, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 02:31 (twelve years ago) link

Three letters: G.B.V.

Seconded. Bought three of their records before I finally admitted to myself that I just don't want to listen to half-completed demos of half-written songs.

Formerly Painful Dentistry, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 02:51 (twelve years ago) link

I'm amazed that everything I was gonna submit has already been mentioned.. either we've all been lulled into quietly putting them into "the canon" without thinking, or we understand why they're vital yet it just misses the mark on a personal level.

My vote goes to the latter.. they're all pretty inventive.

So for me, again..
Public Enemy
Pere Ubu
G.B.V.
Husker Du
Bowie
XTC
Tom Waits

And I try three or four consecutive Animal Collective tracks at least once every two months. Never sparks anything.

The Fall took me years to go from hate to total and complete love..

Yepp.

bassace, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 03:04 (twelve years ago) link

Spoon, totally. Sometimes nice to hear on a jukebox, maybe on a soundtrack. Perfect incidental indie.

wanko ergo sum, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 03:06 (twelve years ago) link

The Replacements

iago g., Tuesday, 10 July 2007 03:17 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah I finally clicked with The Fall about a year ago. No idea what happened there, it just made a great deal of sense one day. And this was after a couple years of trying to like them.

Pere Ubu and Tom Waits both way OTM, for me.

Clay, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 03:23 (twelve years ago) link

Broken Social Scene. Another Arcade Fire I'm afraid.

whatever, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 03:30 (twelve years ago) link

You know, I see a lot of bands being named here that I completely love (Hüsker Dü, The Replacements), but I totally understand how someone can be "eh" about 'em.

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 03:36 (twelve years ago) link

Spoon, the Arcade Fire, and the Fall. yeah, not an original bunch to pick, but those really ARE the ones that first pop into my head.

the table is the table, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 04:12 (twelve years ago) link

"Wilco - 'Summerteeth' to be specific.

On paper it should be so easy. But stick it on my stereo and my hand immediately reaches for the skip button.

"

yeah,otm.but only about that particular record.

pere ubu is hard to get into,and i can't say i'm always in the mood,but if i am - they are great experience.

plus, i can't get a alot of the progressive 70's stuff that is now quite trendy,maybe cause i grew up on 3 minutes songs,it's too pretentious and ridicules to me sometimes.

oh,and though i love "Can",some of their suppose to be "classic" stuff is boring.

Zeno, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 04:20 (twelve years ago) link

90% of all popular music released in the past five years

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 04:37 (twelve years ago) link

"90% of all popular music released in the past five years"

how old are you?

Zeno, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 04:39 (twelve years ago) link

Baker with Fela is probably his best work, but I still prefer Fela with just Tony Allen

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 15:50 (three months ago) link

Watts didn't struggle to stay in time, he played behind the beat

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, May 21, 2019 11:49 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Exactly. And sometimes he sped up ("Honky Tonk Women"), sometimes he slowed down ("Get Off My Cloud") -- but there was no "struggle." The tempo breathed with the music.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 15:56 (three months ago) link

it's best not to engage with turrican on this topic, there's like 100 posts in the rank the sticky fingers songs thread of this exact argument

i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 15:57 (three months ago) link

I mean, dig Ollie Brown here. He speeds up, he slows down, and the music is so much more exciting for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4S9ke31JDA

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 15:58 (three months ago) link

Watts didn't struggle to stay in time, he played behind the beat

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, May 21, 2019 3:49 PM (fifty-three minutes ago) BookmarkFlag Post Permalink

He both played behind the beat and struggled to stay in time.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 16:44 (three months ago) link

Watts' playing is so lumpen, it feels like he's playing with drumsticks that weigh the same as a pair of hammers but have the response of a light flick, and every time he goes in for a fill, it feels like he does the first hit and then suddenly it's like "uh, what do I do next?" and then he wings it in the most shonky way.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 16:48 (three months ago) link

your posting is lumpen

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:02 (three months ago) link

I thought ILX was down with the proletariat.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:07 (three months ago) link

this thread is making me hongro

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:11 (three months ago) link

I've no idea why, since I like rhythm, and this is a discussion about who is or who isn't good at it.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:28 (three months ago) link

So many jazz drummers keep slating Charlie Watts

specific goats my way (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:41 (three months ago) link

i don't understand the fuss he's just bad at rhythm dude. he is empirically not good at rhythm why don't people understand that

budo jeru, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 18:04 (three months ago) link

I love the Ginger Baker/Fela record and like the album he did with Masters of Reality.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:07 (three months ago) link

He's a colossal dick, ofc.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:08 (three months ago) link

thought it was funny when he did this and just picked 13 albums he played on

https://thequietus.com/articles/10797-ginger-baker-baker-s-dozen-favourite-albums

hey, it is called "Baker's Dozen"

frogbs, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:21 (three months ago) link

lol. I mean only *half* of them are albums he played on, but still

Also funny that he disses Mitch Mitchell, who is a much more fluid player with a much better sense of jazz (but didn't have the ego to think he was an actual legit jazz drummer)

Meanwhile, here's Baker thudding it up with Haden and Frisell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql6iGLZL14w

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:31 (three months ago) link

Classic or thud.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:49 (three months ago) link

1969 Life magazine feature on Elvin Jones:

https://tinyurl.com/y54wk93x

Curious to know what the patriarch of the new percussionists would think of his adoring progeny, I paid Jones a visit next day in his cheerful little flat on Manhattan's West Side. Sipping beer out of a jelly jar clinking with ice cubes, he listened with closed eyes and bent, perspiring forehead while I spun discs by the Who and Blind Faith and Santana. The Afro-Cuban rockers he dug, but mostly as musical wallpaper. Keith Moon's drumming during the "Underture" of Tommy produced appreciative comments: "See there, where the tempo started to die, how he picked it up! The man is a drummer. Everything they play, he contains it."

Only Ginger Baker, of the now defunct Blind Faith, got the strong put-down. Raising his head after an ominously silent hearing of "Do What You Like," with its enormously long drum solo, Jones growled: "Nothing happenin'. Cat's got delusions of grandeur with no grounds. They should make him an astronaut and lose his ass!"

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 20:01 (three months ago) link

Ha, was wondering when it would get to that quote.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 20:03 (three months ago) link

Too right, he damn near ruins that album.

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 20:13 (three months ago) link

I'm checking out "Do What You Like" right now... haven't even gotten to the drum solo yet, and ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz....

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:13 (three months ago) link

lollll that's awesome, never read that before - love his take on Moon as well

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:16 (three months ago) link

Man, this bass solo is rough. Guess the drum solo must be next....

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:17 (three months ago) link

Yes, and then Elvin Jones went on to perform with Ginger Baker's Air Force.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:19 (three months ago) link

I forgot about this Yardbirds song "Shapes of Things" -- it's a great one for sure

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:38 (three months ago) link

xpost

definitely rare to hear of a jazz player holding their nose and playing on some rock or pop bullshit for a good check

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:47 (three months ago) link

Ginger Baker *and* Tony Williams play on Album by PiL!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:56 (three months ago) link

charlie watts is a hero for refusing to play the hi hat & snare at the same time. he put more swagger in the backbeat than anyone.

:∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:32 (three months ago) link

it's just a bummer he doesn't have rhythm

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:37 (three months ago) link

geez louise is there some kind of concerted campaign to troll drummers about charlie watts? wtf

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:38 (three months ago) link

I wouldn't worry about it, Turrican is determined to mention how much he hates Charlie Watts in as many threads as possible.

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:40 (three months ago) link

just Turrican doing his thing from what I can tell xp

:∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:40 (three months ago) link

my comment was in earnest btw, I love the stones & charlie watts specifically

:∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:41 (three months ago) link

i'm not worried, i just think it's weird
is "being wrong about how rhythm works" his thing? that's weird!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:48 (three months ago) link

Not going there!

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:52 (three months ago) link

LL I was not being serious up there

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:58 (three months ago) link

charlie watts is a hero for refusing to play the hi hat & snare at the same time. he put more swagger in the backbeat than anyone.

― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:32 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Swagger? He looks stiff as fuck when he's drumming, and you can hear it.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:59 (three months ago) link

itt turrican finally unmasked as Kenny Jones

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 23:03 (three months ago) link

i can see why you might think that re: stiffness, but i disagree.

:∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 23:06 (three months ago) link

Kenney Jones was a great drummer, particularly on the stuff Small Faces did for Immediate.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 23:17 (three months ago) link

I'd rate Kenney Jones, Mitch Mitchell and Mick Avory all higher than Ginger Baker, actually.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 23:17 (three months ago) link

Kenney Jones is a seriously great drummer.

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 23:19 (three months ago) link

keep trying to like turrican but can't get into it

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 23:25 (three months ago) link

he just hits that one note constantly

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 02:34 (three months ago) link

No rhythm either

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 03:26 (three months ago) link

Just bashin away

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 03:26 (three months ago) link

Charlie Watts drumming is cool because it sounds like someone getting beat up in a really systematic but bluesy manner

brimstead, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 03:42 (three months ago) link

someone getting beat up in a really systematic but bluesy manner

That's actually the perfect description of the time Watts decked Mick Jagger in 1984.

("Don't ever call me your drummer again. You're my fucking singer!")

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 14:06 (three months ago) link

I'll take this over anything Cream recorded...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIPL1NwQAY0

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 26 May 2019 03:26 (two months ago) link


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