K Punk: classic or dud?

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What say you of the Master of Libidinal Interstice?

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i quite enjoyed one of those insane comment-staged fights with carlin.
he seems like an interesting chap.

Frogman Henry, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I wonder why he doesn't have the comment function any more. I find him one of the most interesting bloggers out there. Although I tend to let the Lacanian jargon wash over me.

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

duuuuuuuuuuuud.

r|t|c, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Although I tend to let the Lacanian jargon wash over me.

that leaves the pooterish bile, then: awesome for you.

That one guy that quit, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

You seem to be following me around.

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i mean ok, he could be well be a scintillating visionairy when it comes to fucking docotr who or whatever but since this is on ilm i refer to

- his godforsaken attempts to pluck stuff out of the pop charts for his dismal services (rihanna is an robot, fnarrr)

- hauntology etc, truly the most specious and intellectually bankrupt rearranging of a record collection i've ever witnessed

r|t|c, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

duuuuuuuuuuuud.

-- r|t|c, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:58 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^^ this

Dom Passantino, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

don't even know who you are

xposts

That one guy that quit, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i mean ok, he could be well be a scintillating visionairy when it comes to fucking docotr who

lolololololol 8080

That one guy that quit, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

should probly mention that i havent read anything of his for a year, haha

but stop me if i'm wrong.

r|t|c, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

rtc otm, pseudo-intellectual bullshit of the first order.

Neil S, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i mean ok, he could be well be a scintillating visionairy when it comes to fucking docotr who

Are you talking about old-ILX here lol

Dom Passantino, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

He's had some interesting posts on Lynch. He was interesting on Joy Division. Not 100% sure about "hauntology", but since I haven't actually heard that Ghostbox stuff, benefit of the doubt. Not sure why the pseudo in front of the intellectual, why do you think he's a pseud (a term I find more used by anti-intellectuals than anyone else)

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And all you guys who say dud, I'd be interested to know whether you read blogs (well obviously since you're conversant with K Punk) and if so what blogs you actually like?

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ban Zelda Zonk

Dom Passantino, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

OK, ban me. Bye!

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

haha oh yeah you know what his best, most awkwardest one was - the oedIpod!!!! classic

r|t|c, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

actually, didn't nick southall co-opt that one for a bit as well

r|t|c, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I don't read him, or any other bloggers, but bccasionally I get linked to stuff he's said by people who know me and think I might be interested in specific ideas, and generally they're right.

x-post - I don't think so!

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i used to read blogs. he is a classic pseud in that his ideas are all modifications of whatever hackademic gods he's worshipping to the thing in hand, and as with the bataille-on-paris thing on the reynolds thread it's ultimately a boring parlour game.

That one guy that quit, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ok no you just quoted him

r|t|c, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I did? When?

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I really get into about one out of every five or ten posts, skim over a few here and there, and usually notice my eyes glazing over during most of the 'critical' talk over philosophers of the 20th century.

I had never heard the term "pseud" until I started posting on ilx.

mh, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I had never heard the term "pseud" until I started posting on ilx.

Were you brought up by wolves or something?

Tom D., Friday, 29 June 2007 15:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Huddled in the safety of the pseduo silk kimono.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh balls. Here's the rest.

Huddled in the safety of a pseudo silk kimono wearing bracelets of smoke
Naked of understanding
Nicotine smears, long, long dried tears, invisible tears
Safe in my own words, learning from my own words
Cruel joke, cruel joke

Huddled in the safety of a pseudo silk kimono a morning mare rides
In the starless shutters of my eyes
The spirit of a misplaced childhood is rising to speak his mind
To this orphan of heartbreak, disillusioned and scarred
A refugee, refugee

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

No, seriously, is "pseud" some british thing?

mh, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Not sure why the pseudo in front of the intellectual, why do you think he's a pseud (a term I find more used by anti-intellectuals than anyone else)

I have no problem with intellectuals, just with peeople who want to sound like intellectuals by smothering their analysis of Aqua or the like with critical theory speak. Being intellectual doesn't mean being unintelligible.

Neil S, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Pseud" as in pseudo-Freud? That's hilarious. Of course he's not a pseudo-intellectual (incidentally, the last time I heard that slur it was used by Hannity against Hitchens - nuff said).

Ban Zelda Zonk

Zelda Zonk, just so you know, there are a lot of morons round here. But if you accept the stormy climate, it's all good.

Jeb, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

'pseud' might be but 'pseudo-intellectual' seems like a fairly standard construction.

Of course he's not a pseudo-intellectual

he's pretty much the definish.

That one guy that quit, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I really get into about one out of every five or ten posts, skim over a few here and there, and usually notice my eyes glazing over during most of the 'critical' talk over philosophers of the 20th century.

Yeah. k-punk strikes me as kind of an asshole (cf. Dissensus right before he quit) and possibly batshit insane to boot, but I like him anyway. I read his blog pretty regularly until it began to seem. ... predictable; I still find it really engaging, tho intermittently. Liked his writing on the Fall.

he is a classic pseud in that his ideas are all modifications of whatever hackademic gods he's worshipping to the thing in hand, and as with the bataille-on-paris thing on the reynolds thread it's ultimately a boring parlour game.

Hey, he's just DEEP INTO BATAILLE-LAND and is never coming out. I can dig it, sort of.

xero, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

incidentally, the last time I heard that slur it was used by Hannity against Hitchens - nuff said

So what you're saying is that because someone called Hitchens a pseudo-intellectual, the term is automatically an off-limits slur?

Neil S, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/soulseeking/no-music-day.htm

tsk i do feel a bit tainted with zelda's "anti-intellectual" jibe now. really i have no problem with his going pseudo-ott over stuff, the breadth of his discourse, his pretension if that's what you want to call it; save for the fact that i find his actual ideas just really quite barren and predictable

plus he's fostered this whole claque of similar bloggers that make it into even more of a parlour game shut-in

r|t|c, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

No, seriously, is "pseud" some british thing?

I never thought of that, maybe it is

Tom D., Friday, 29 June 2007 15:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

really i have no problem with his going pseudo-ott over stuff, the breadth of his discourse, his pretension if that's what you want to call it

it's the way he uses it as a cloak to disguise the dearth of ideas which gets me - i am only ever able to tell when he starts writing about stuff that i know about though

lex pretend, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

k-punk uses 'anti-intellectual' a lot and it's lol-y mainly because his scope of what constitutes the, uh, 'realm of the intellectual', is so narrow. i have never, ever got the sense that he likes r'n'b or girls aloud or any of the other new music he writes about. i can believe he likes the smiths though.

That one guy that quit, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I like his big attempt at consistency and systemisation. In the archives there is some brilliant writing on glam, postpunk, politics etc.

This hauntology stuff is like the systemisation overreaching itself and making do with the boring, comfortable Ghostbox aesthetic because it's so convenient for musing over. The results of these musings are completely palty too, it's so repetitive and never gets anywhere close to what it says it's doing.

Alex xy, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:36 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The thing is, I can see he might be an intellectual you disagree with, or find his critical tools offputting, but I think it's plainly absurd to say he's a pseudo-intellectual, a pretend intellectual. He plainly knows his stuff and thinks about stuff and talks about it within an intellectual framework. Yeah, talking about popular culture within a Marxist/Lacanian/Baudrillardian framework is not going to be everyone's cup of tea, I'm not sure it's even my cup of tea. But it's not a priori pseudo-intellectual. As for dearth of ideas, come on.

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:36 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh aye, I did quote him there, but that was on teaching rather than on philosophy, per se.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

So what you're saying is that because someone called Hitchens a pseudo-intellectual, the term is automatically an off-limits slur?

Not really. That Hannity used it against Hitchens just proves that it's all too often used as a random slur against "real" intellectuals (I don't think many would argue that Hitchens isn't one - whether you like him or not). I'm all for its being used, but there's a time and place for it.

Jeb, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I don't think k-punk is a pseud(o-intellectual) in the sense of not actually having read or thought about this stuff at length and in depth; it's just that he seems to be endlessly staking out and elaborating a position that is, among its other shortcomings, no longer at all fashionable.

xero, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

(but was about ten years ago, woe)

xero, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i like k punk but spizzazz was more thought provoking.

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Not really. That Hannity used it against Hitchens just proves that it's all too often used as a random slur against "real" intellectuals (I don't think many would argue that Hitchens isn't one - whether you like him or not). I'm all for its being used, but there's a time and place for it.

Fair enough, I'd agree that Hitchens may be a lot of things, but a pseud he is not. I'd stick by my assertion about k-punk above, though.

Neil S, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

hitchens is not a pseud exactly, but neither is he an intellectual; he's a saloon bar ranter and formerly entertaining journalist.

That one guy that quit, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I don't think k-punk is a pseud(o-intellectual) in the sense of not actually having read or thought about this stuff at length and in depth; it's just that he seems to be endlessly staking out and elaborating a position that is, among its other shortcomings, no longer at all fashionable.

Well, if one definition of pseudo-intellectual is staking out positions that are no longer fashionable, I'll give it to you!

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

my problem with reading much k-punk is that i have spent three years studying analytic philosophy and whilst i sort of decides that stuff wasn't "right" it has left me with a liking for clear argumentation. with k-punk it often seems to me he trips himself up over writing what essentially seem to be rather simple points. also i dunno how continental philosophy really works but some of the time he seems to merely use his chosen philosophers as appeals to authority, he could argue the point probably in more depth and more interestingly if he didn't just pull out so and so philosopher to "prove" whatever is the case. i don't read him that often tbh but his ideas seem kind of apocalyptic in a fashion i rather like but they lack urgency. it all seems rather remote compared to the fever of the likes of carmody and carlin but i guess they are doing something else altogether.

acrobat, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I like his big attempt at consistency and systemisation. In the archives there is some brilliant writing on glam, postpunk, politics etc.

i'd agree with this

also, this is as good a place as any to admit that while i don't reak kpunk much anymore, i'm well addicted to hyperstiti0n (highly highly toxic)

gff, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xpost : It's not MY def. of pseudo-i -- that's just why I think it's easy to call him that. Also, acrobat OTM re authority & apocalypticism.

xero, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xpost

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Saturday, 4 August 2018 18:02 (nine months ago) Permalink

I was with a friend on Saturday who teaches at Goldsmiths and he intimated that part of the issue with Mark was that Gs were wary of legitimising his research and kept him on a part-time contract, accordingly. Which is kind of staggering, but makes sense all the same.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 6 August 2018 16:18 (nine months ago) Permalink

Which specific aspects?

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Monday, 6 August 2018 16:31 (nine months ago) Permalink

I'm not sure of the specifics. The intimation was more a general response to his writing, ideas and research. It does sort of make sense from an academic institution, I suppose, but it looks more short-sighted by the year. And what it must have done for a general sense of precarity is immeasurable.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 6 August 2018 16:42 (nine months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

An article by? about? with? How To Dress Well, in which they mainly talk about Mark Fisher

https://www.talkhouse.com/how-to-dress-well-on-mark-fishers-theory-of-capitalist-realism/

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 21:00 (six months ago) Permalink

jeremy gilbert and pals have released a mark fisher-inspired podcast abt radical/leftist culture

https://soundcloud.com/novaramedia/acfm-trip-1-out-of-the-box

ogmor, Thursday, 22 November 2018 09:23 (six months ago) Permalink

Interesting - will have a look.

I'd like to read a few reviews of the book.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 22 November 2018 10:44 (six months ago) Permalink

there's one in the wire by some fool

mark s, Thursday, 22 November 2018 10:50 (six months ago) Permalink

lol I need to get myself to an actual shop that stocks it.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 22 November 2018 10:51 (six months ago) Permalink

I was just chatting the other day about how (as someone who was addicted to checking the blog bitd) his recent semi-lionisation seemed to come out of nowhere - this is a case of me not being switched on probably. Anyway there is never enough talk about how classic it was when he would call ppl “smugonauts”

Pierrot with a thousand farces (wins), Thursday, 22 November 2018 10:55 (six months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

I fell asleep while reading the new anthology and had unsettled, f-ed up dreams. Serves me right.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 08:21 (five months ago) Permalink

Kinda always wanted him to do more dialectical-ish historical accounts on popular music culture (modern, post-modern, post-post-modern type of deal) instead of so much personal critique, much of which I found a bit contrived. The hauntology stuff is underrated, though.

Also, what does the opening statement of this thread mean?

ninthyoung, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 14:29 (five months ago) Permalink

start of this thread is relatively scathing

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 18:45 (five months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

<3

j., Sunday, 13 January 2019 23:45 (four months ago) Permalink

aye <3

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 13 January 2019 23:55 (four months ago) Permalink

Otm

slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 14 January 2019 17:10 (four months ago) Permalink

Hold your loved ones close, believe in a better world, read loads of k punk pic.twitter.com/ojKmghKBCr

— Ellie Mae O'Hagan 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (@MissEllieMae) January 13, 2019

mh, Monday, 14 January 2019 20:18 (four months ago) Permalink

i love the sentiment of that quote but it badly needed an edit to trim it down :(

mark s, Monday, 14 January 2019 20:23 (four months ago) Permalink

booooooooo

j., Tuesday, 15 January 2019 05:32 (four months ago) Permalink

xp fair

mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:21 (four months ago) Permalink

i love you, k-punk but that quote is so garbled i'm amazed that someone thought it should go on a wall.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:25 (four months ago) Permalink

"we can have better things and the people who tell you otherwise have reasons"

mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:28 (four months ago) Permalink

i love the sentiment of that quote but it badly needed an edit to trim it down :(


i love you, k-punk but that quote is so garbled i'm amazed that someone thought it should go on a wall.


Surely it’s the perfect epitaph then?

Pierrot with a thousand farces (wins), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:37 (four months ago) Permalink

http://mattiswiedmann.co.uk/how-many-have-we-lost-due-to-our-failure-to-treat-them-as-comrades/

The main takeaway from the lecture was an emphasis on the importance of comradeship. How many have have we lost due to our failure to treat them as comrades? This does not mean, as Dean emphatically said during the Q&A, that justice for wrongdoing goes out of the window, merely that it is important for us to acknowledge that people change, and that we should be more willing to allow people a path back to the movement, not to simple “cancel” individuals for good once they say something slightly out of line, the credo of the twitter call-out, the social media whirlpool of knee jerk and absolutist moral judgements which forms the heart of so much modern politicizing.

It was stirring stuff, despite her concession that her deeply apocalyptic framing of capitalism may not have made anyone feel good about themselves, and the lecture left off on distinctly positive sentiments. It may have been divisive to some, but the message of comradeship, of abstract political belonging, is one that feels apt to any emancipatory desire, for how can we hope to get anything done if we hole up inside our cocoons, so assured of our importance as individuals? To create we must act, to act we must think we act, and to act and think effectively we must think and act relationally. We must in Spinozist terms generate encounters of joy, and to do this we must work together, as Comrades, not as the mythic hero acting alone to save the planet. For the collective is the embodiment of action, the action of embodiment. It seems like a painfully obvious point, but it is when we act for and with others that may reach for the communist horizon and find our way out of the murk of Capitalism.

j., Tuesday, 22 January 2019 04:58 (four months ago) Permalink

The above K-Punk quote seems a bit overtaken by events now. I think he originally applied it to neo-liberalism, and how neo-liberal capitalism presented itself as some sort of "natural order". Of course, in the brexit/trump era, we're seeing neo-liberalism replaced with something even worse

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 05:50 (four months ago) Permalink

https://k-postpunk.blogspot.com/2019/01/and-jesus-said-follow-me-and-i-will.html

an epigone! bloomian!!!

j., Friday, 1 February 2019 17:22 (three months ago) Permalink

Neoliberal capitalism still positions itself that way tbh

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 1 February 2019 17:30 (three months ago) Permalink

His ideas of cyberspace-time and the dominant mood of modern capitalism being anxiety, not boredom as in the past, are beyond vital. I’m happy there is still such interest in his work.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 1 February 2019 17:49 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

in my (not so long) review i also forgot to say "why doesn't this 800-page book have a fkn index?" even tho it is literally the book's biggest and most obvious failing

mark s, Friday, 1 March 2019 16:23 (two months ago) Permalink

While some of the distinctive qualities of the blog are indeed absent, the book compensates for this by providing a clearer sense of continuity than is available from posts accessed individually via a web browser.

Show your workings...it doesn't sound like the collection is giving a lot more than what Capitalist Realism does.

Reading through the review I have a feeling of not wanting to read anymore around that brand of anglo anti-middlebrow culture like Joy Division/The Fall/Ballard/Cronenberg. It never reckons with the limitations that kind of escapism provided and the reviewer doesn't address how that stuff totally bypasses the younger left ppl he connected with.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 1 March 2019 16:52 (two months ago) Permalink

all that stuff maybe not but KP also raves abt moloko!

i want fizzles to explain why the three-part fall essay is bad not good

mark s, Friday, 1 March 2019 21:54 (two months ago) Permalink

i'm not sure i'd say it was bad not good. i remember reading it and thinking it was great that someone was going in deep on The Fall in ways that I also found interesting. There were things that I disagreed with iirc, but that may just have been hair-splitting. I'll give it a re-read and report back.

Fizzles, Saturday, 2 March 2019 19:22 (two months ago) Permalink

"The lack of index is frustrating"

k-korrekt as we used to say

also sorry, MF decided he liked coldplay and you have to also: http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/001181.html

mark s, Sunday, 10 March 2019 13:45 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Reading Jenny Turner's piece last night and it was hard agree on his dismissal of Sebald.

I think this could've been reviewed alongside A Hidden Landscape.

I've also been reading around what Nina Power is up to these days and there is an added bit of sadness. The connections with Nick Land begin to get at the progressive and reactionary nature of this group and it's projects.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 2 May 2019 10:18 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I think this could've been reviewed alongside A Hidden Landscape

SO DO I

mark s, Thursday, 2 May 2019 10:39 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I must not be looking right, but can't find the piece and playlist (?) on the site, even though Turner tweeted it should be there by now?

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 2 May 2019 11:53 (three weeks ago) Permalink

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6aoCiRc4psD2TV0KM1Y6EN

ogmor, Thursday, 2 May 2019 12:00 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Thanks Ogmor

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 2 May 2019 12:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

dare I ask for an explanation of wtf is going on with Nina Power?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 2 May 2019 12:57 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Sebald is best read as migrant literature, with all the mythologizing – both positive and negative – of host cultures that experience of estrangement entails. His take on Suffolk is bound to be different from Fisher's, and to speak of 'mittelbrow' strikes me as an unnecessary dig at Sebald's German roots. Anyhow, I have nothing but respect for Fisher, I'm just not sold on the Sebald-as-reactionary trope – there are plenty of other factors to consider, including the generational one.

pomenitul, Thursday, 2 May 2019 13:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

As for Nina Power:

https://write.as/7v8fbjq9ekoaxl3z

pomenitul, Thursday, 2 May 2019 13:09 (three weeks ago) Permalink

That letter is kind of barmy. Here's NP's response https://ninapower.net/2019/03/14/248/

Stevie T, Thursday, 2 May 2019 13:49 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Oh right, so I guess that's cleared everything up.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:00 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Hmmm, can't say I'm reassured by her using the "trans activists" dogwhistle or unapologetically attending a Women's Place meeting.

Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:19 (three weeks ago) Permalink

"Sebald is best read as migrant literature, with all the mythologizing – both positive and negative – of host cultures that experience of estrangement entails. His take on Suffolk is bound to be different from Fisher's, and to speak of 'mittelbrow' strikes me as an unnecessary dig at Sebald's German roots"

Agree the pun is weak but I think he has point on Sebald's lack of attention.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 2 May 2019 16:59 (three weeks ago) Permalink

a weird argument i remember with MF -- on a vanished iteration of the k-punk blog in maybe 2005-ish, in the comments, and so i think doubly long-lost to web-rot -- was cheerfully throwing at him the criticism that he was terrible at dialectics. i forget even why -- it was probably a pop-cultural discussion, i never engaged him abt politics

anyway he came back (disarmingly in the sense that i had no comeback, and memorably in the sense that i knew there and then that this was a big thing to say, and never forgot it): "i'm glad i'm not -- dialectical thinking is a bad thing!"

well, it turns out -- i didn't find this out for years -- that nick land loathed dialectics, and he was still involved with CCRU at that time (and i don't think land had made his break for the grimmer neo-reactionary shores yet) (accelrationism was also a few years off). but the funny thing is -- as i realised when i was reading this book to review it, and as jenny t has much more space to say nore about it, he *is* a dialectical thinker, in the sense that he has two contradictory sides to his thought which he uses to work on one another. the gentle attention to small intimate subtleties and the world-bestriding cyber-amplified world of implacable historical momentum. he spoke both languages -- and they did operate on one another -- but i'm not sure how much he consciously decided to explore this as it was happening, or even (actally) how much he was aware of it as a forked tendency in him. war and scission were modes he chose, i think knowingly submitting to the flawed perceptions that come with them -- and they gave him his reach, but i don't actually think they were the best of him.

mark s, Thursday, 2 May 2019 17:19 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Is yr review online anywhere mark?

Stevie T, Friday, 3 May 2019 09:42 (three weeks ago) Permalink

it's in the wire, so i guess yes if yr a subscriber and can access their archive but basically no

mark s, Friday, 3 May 2019 09:43 (three weeks ago) Permalink


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