OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

hair metal obviously a reaction against disco.

grunge a reaction against hair metal. experimental horse music a reaction against grunge.

xpost reaction against baldness iirc

Pub Rock a reaction against Restaurant Rock which was a reaction against Cafe Jazz

this, by the way, was the beginning of the straight white male reaction against disco...

http://sleazethiscity.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/VH7-e1425291398633.jpeg

"only i can save the children from disco..."

https://alfredogarcia70.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/david-lee-roth-assless-chaps.jpg

listening to sgt pepper's now and my first reaction is that my copy skips.

also a little help from my friends is a surprisingly beautiful song

this may not be Marcotte's stance, but I think it's similar to stuff that comes up in some of the more vulgar/clumsy iterations of poptimism, the idea that young women just enjoy pop music in some pure, unmediated, physical way, instead of overthinking everything like nerdy male music critics

― soref, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 12:48 (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah that's true. I definitely think those characterisations are the weakest part of the piece.

Gregorian chants were a reaction to grindcore iirc xps gah

Women were into Grindcore first, before it got all pretentious

this is a really good album

dang you guys still talking about the beatles in here huh

I remember watching a BBC documentary about '70s brit heavy metal where a couple of interviewees (I'm 99% sure one was Tony Iommi) mentioned in passing an antagonism towards soul music (or at least the soul club scene of the time), the point wasn't really picked up on but it wasn't something I'd ever seen or heard mentioned before.

It was Geezer Butler.

Did surprise me because nearly all of those 70s bands started of playing Motown/ soul/ R&B covers (hence the redundancy of a certain other thread).

Maybe they just got bored of that though and wanted to get HEAVY.

can't believe there's a redundant thread on ILM

I was thinking last night that it wouldn't exactly be too difficult to lob a solid intersectional feminist critique against a band of bigamists, deadbeat dads and wife beaters but Marcotte took the brave path of "this is why boys like Tool, ew"

It was Geezer Butler.

― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 May 2017 13:40 (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ah thanks! Yeah I wonder where that break with r&b/soul came for that generation of rock bands.

whiney, the beatles weren't a band of john lennons

that would've been really difficult given the level of knowledge of genetic engineering in 1960s Liverpool

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Clone Band

or would "Clonely" be better?

clonely is better

When I'm 64 clearly about cloning overkill

tbf original Paul was the philanderer

Yes, but the guy they replaced Paul with after he died has proven to remarkably faithful to his spouses.

I Married Paul

at the end of the day, any band that can inspire something like this is inherently evil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59ahx9ckqIw

that whole movie is a cringefest

Tim Burton's Pepperland! would be the logical next step.

at least the dumb bee gees one had earth, wind, & fire.

and aerosmith

yeah that was the only other high point.

that movie is one long low point

Tim Burton's Pepperland! would be the logical next step.

― scott seward, Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:25 PM (two hours ago)

this will totally happen in my lifetime, won't it

I remember watching a BBC documentary about '70s brit heavy metal where a couple of interviewees (I'm 99% sure one was Tony Iommi) mentioned in passing an antagonism towards soul music (or at least the soul club scene of the time), the point wasn't really picked up on but it wasn't something I'd ever seen or heard mentioned before

This feels more like Mids v. Rockers to me...? I've always suspected that punk & disco were two sides of the same Mod coin

*Mods v. Rockers lol

No, was definitely Geezer Butler. Was a story about how he met Ozzy, that he'd been at the blues club and Ozzy had been at the soul club and they glared at each other across the street on the way home. And through the miracle of YouTube...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egCAUuBN0vI

That's actually a different clip though! I was sure the original poster was referring to an interview in the Heavy Metal Britannia documentary and, through the miracle of YouTube, I found it. Geezer Butler, talking about the early days of Sabbath, says, at one point, "Everywhere you went it was soul clubs... I was just absolutely sick of going to places and listening to soul music..."

haven't seen the clip and so can't necessarily back this up as the source of the hostility, but there was a distinct split in 60s sensiblity between listener-clubbers who liked to go to clubs to dance to records (ideally by black american groups or singers) and listener-clubbers who liked to go to clubs to watch bands (which were on the whole white and local)

up to a certain point* there was a line of strong mod disdain for the very *idea* of live music as opposed to music on record (the who called themselves mods but most real mods disowned them) so this may be less a "northern soul sucks" line per se than a "live music rocks dude" line (which is after all what you'd expect a working musician to feel)

*apostrophe to extra suggestion when this certain point came, and why = mid-late 70s, by which time there were a lot more live shows featuring black music of all kinds, and also by which time the who -- via quadrophenia -- had reverse-engineered the meaning of the word mod, which sensibility began migrating away to descendent subcultures

Geezer goes on to say they were listening to Hendrix and Cream and wanted to do music like that - sounds like Ozzy wasn't though!

Haven't any recollection of seeing the one you're talking about at all! Must try and dig it out.

haven't seen the clip and so can't necessarily back this up as the source of the hostility, but there was a distinct split in 60s sensiblity between listener-clubbers who liked to go to clubs to dance to records (ideally by black american groups or singers) and listener-clubbers who liked to go to clubs to watch bands (which were on the whole white and local)

This sounds right too. I wonder if it's an age thing too, Sabbath were a pretty young band, Geezer was born in 1949, seems like they hadn't done that thing of playing soul and r&b covers like so many 60s British musicians had.

gotta check these guys out http://www.alternativenation.net/why-royal-blood-could-be-the-next-nirvana/

Alternative Nation is such a weird site

Thankfully, for every teenage girl singing Cyndi Lauper into a hairbrush, was her younger brother, listening to Misfits and Black Sabbath records.

Kurt would be so happy to know his fans are fighting to reclaim music from girls.

Yes, how dare those young women sing along with music? Everyone knows music is only truly appreciated by boys.